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nysa said:
Hidden !! ??? where sir ?? I fail to find it can u help us find it .:)

With due respect, I fail to understand what's negative about being proud of oneself !! Should I not be proud my self :confused:..I wonder why??


I would be dead the day I would not be and not able to meet my own eyes!!:cool::rock
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Even I am Failed Nysa... thou they say Psychologists are to find the hidden meanings....;):):p
 
nysa said:
Hidden !! ??? where sir ?? I fail to find it can u help us find it .:)

With due respect, I fail to understand what's negative about being proud of oneself !! Should I not be proud my self :confused:..I wonder why??


I would be dead the day I would not be and not able to meet my own eyes!!:cool::rock
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My hands Up Nyasa ji.........


Meeting your or my own eyes has nothing to do with being proud or not....it is absolutely and only to do with honesty of deeds and being true to oneself and God.

Feeling nice in side one's heart about an achievement is sober,soothing and humble but talking laud about it does no good to the soul.
 
Well getting back to the original idea of thread. We are common people , we may not have achievements as big as the Sports people, Astronauts, Scientists, Writers and so on. But still the small activities in which we are involved, when they are acknoweldged at some front and are appreciated , they give us that feeling of pride n sense of satisfaction. If I think of my life, well I vent done ny thing of that greatness till date..... But when I topped in my college in class 12th, I felt proud ( and I don know why only this time, as before this I stood first at district level in 8th Board exams, and in MA I topped University, but none of these gave me that sense of pride, thou I was happy no doubt). When I was awarded University Research Fellowship, I again felt proud of myself. The Best moment was when my research paper was published in an International Journal of Very High Repute in London at the age of 27, and I am still proud of that. For 5 years I tried in various private colleges and HPSC for lectureship, didnt get as I had no approach, and then when I was selected by UPSC for the present post, Well everyone in my family and my teachers were proud of me. And of course I was also. And I feel proud of myself every now n then when I see my parents and teachers feeling proud of me. Very recently I applied for a research project and there a very senior professor from the expert committee appreciated my work, I again felt proud. And every time I am appreciated for my research work, my Thanks n Credit goes to my teacher n supervisor from whom I learnt everything. There are many more very small things which stand very significant to me.

So I dont find anything wrong with feeling pround on your small small achievements, they inspire n motivate you for further good work. Earlier also I said somewhere and here again I repeat, without motivation, one can do nothing. And this kinda satisfaction is the basis of intrinsic motivation without any external materialistic reinforcers.

And one thing more, I dont find anything in any of these achievements to declare, or to boast of or speak loudly; they matter to me, for anyone else they may be totally insignificant. But for that matter they can not be of any less importance, for me they were some of the peak moments of my life, which gave the feeling of being actualized, and this no one else can understand. So how anyone else in general can feel proud of them, but me.
 
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devdahiya said:
My hands Up Nyasa ji.........


Meeting your or my own eyes has nothing to do with being proud or not....it is absolutely and only to do with honesty of deeds and being true to oneself and God.

Feeling nice in side one's heart about an achievement is sober,soothing and humble but talking laud about it does no good to the soul.
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Sir to me its one and the same thing ...:)

you never know may be someone might be just waiting for the booster that my words would do and I dont care if I have to not talk, but shout hoarse loud about it..:cool:Rest its a matter of understanding....
 
Feeling/Declaring Proud - Is it Negative or Positive..I see lot of discussions happened in this thread on this..here is my modest take/retake on it :

Feeling proud is not at all negative..everybody feels proud of himself/herself when they achieve something they were vying for, whether its topping a class or discovering gravitational laws. When the achievement is more at a personal level, saying that you are proud of your achievement is sometimes taken as a negative connotation by other people and they will label you as proudy or boastful. As we say in hindi 'apneaap ko jyada dikha raha/rahi hai'. But when its a big achievement which also helps community or country, then declaring that 'You feel proud' doesn't sounds negative viz. Abhinav Bindra, Anand saying that they feel proud or our scientists saying they felt proud when Chandrayaan got launched successfully. I believe thats all the difference between -ve and +ve aspects of feeling/declaring proud.

Though, I see contradictions in comments from Nishant - he started the thread asking people to say what things they have felt proud of in their life or will feel proud if they achieve in future and then in later threads he says that one should never declare his achievement himself, they should be told by others only. May be you should have asked all JLs to declare their proudness for others achievements :) Pls don't take it personally, just an observation..

and just for the record, I am still waiting for the moment when I can proudly declare what I am proud of :)
 
Prashant, the main problem here is that some people are too rigid to accept others point of views while some others don't have any point of views of their own. Rigid people just keep on repeating the same statements again and again while people without their own point of views seems taking U-turn in their every alternative post and hence contradicting theselves.

Flexibility is not about changing your mind after every instance but it is all about analyzing the other's point of views, comparing them with their own point of views in present scenario and drawaing some conclusion with or without some modification in their original thoughts. U-turn should not be termed as flexibility. Flexibility without originality seems like a person without any individaul thinking of his own. They either join the majority ( infact i would like to call it Bhed chaal ) or they just appreciate almost everybody and change their statemets from time to time.
 
vijay said:
Prashant, the main problem here is that some people are too rigid to accept others point of views while some others don't have any point of views of their own. Rigid people just keep on repeating the same statements again and again while people without their own point of views seems taking U-turn in their every alternative post and hence contradicting theselves.

Flexibility is not about changing your mind after every instance but it is all about analyzing the other's point of views, comparing them with their own point of views in present scenario and drawaing some conclusion with or without some modification in their original thoughts. U-turn should not be termed as flexibility. Flexibility without originality seems like a person without any individaul thinking of his own. They either join the majority ( infact i would like to call it Bhed chaal ) or they just appreciate almost everybody and change their statemets from time to time.
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Too philosophical :)
Btw there is one more category of people Vijay, who are consistent with their thoughts, they may not be considered as rigid for the reason they stick to their viewpoints. Nor they are resistant to change, but just dont change with every different point of view.
 
vijay said:
Prashant, the main problem here is that some people are too rigid to accept others point of views while some others don't have any point of views of their own. .
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neels said:
Too philosophical :)
Btw there is one more category of people Vijay, who are consistent with their thoughts, they may not be considered as rigid for the reason they stick to their viewpoints. Nor they are resistant to change, but just dont change with every different point of view.
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You are right but i am talking about the problem creating categories ONLY.
 
nysa said:
Sir to me its one and the same thing ...:)

you never know may be someone might be just waiting for the booster that my words would do and I dont care if I have to not talk, but shout hoarse loud about it..:cool:Rest its a matter of understanding....
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Chalo ji aap sahi hein.God bless!
 
sanjeev_balyan said:
Abhinav should feel only. There is a diff between both feeling and declaring.
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Why whats wrong in declaring something that you actually feel? If this is to be the way than you will only end up as being dishonest...and this will be a negative emotion rather than of feeling proud. Feeling proud in itself is not a negative emotion because it entails that you are aware of a certain quality of yours and are happy about it...neither is its declaring. It only shows that you are aware about your SELF. If one is intent on knowing what is negative than its VANITY and not PRIDE. The former involves an excess while pride never involves excess.
 
Everybody is correct here to the points they are standing by. Though many members tried to clear the difference by taking two words, viz. FEELING and DECLARING, and these also makes a great sense.

When one has to express the feelings, then the word proud is used in association of the same, like.....'I feel proud for' this and that...but when one directly say it like.....'I am proud of myself' for this or that, then it shows some attitude. That person might be humble/down to earth but the problem is in the appropriate expression of the word just similar to the way when somebody has to express the feelings of love towards someone.

If one says that 'I feel that I'm in love with' so and so person, then its very clear to the other person and he/she will feel doubt (though the former one trying to express the best possible way to other). With word like LOVE one need to be confident while its expression, but with word like PROUD one should always take care to express it with humbleness.

Now, many are saying it as negative while it is confidently spoken like.....'I am proud of myself' .....though it is not, but it speaks the look-up of a person on particular things.

Then some of them are saying it as very positive.....Its not the matter of being positive/negative, but its about ATTITUDE. We can say, that it doesn't sound good. One should feel proud from inside, but due consideration should be given while expressing any feeling. The way of expression can lead to many confusions/ wrong perceptions etc.

Like, when one do something good or achieve something great that is being hounourable/pleasurable then he/she should pat himself/herself to give a boost-up from the same individual's side. And when the same pat is given by other person, then the feelings inside get doubled and speaks a lot to many without even that person's expression.

So, achievement should be of kind that can be praised by others, rather than you standing by yourself to express each and every thing.

Now, as per Dr. Rathee's another indication towards those words spoken by Vishwanath Anand, then I also agree with her complete statement. But, then on another situation, when Vijender Singh was questioned by media to name the woman who was behind his success....he simply said that there is no woman behind him.....I immediately got it that this is for the first time that he is being focussed for some achievement.....another thing is the kind of attitude he has for such things.....he might be taking it as the name of the girlfriend/wife and was not considering his mother's role in his achievement. It is true that "Behind every successful man, there is a woman", but nobody has confined that lady to be one's wife or girlfriend.....she can be a mother, sister, sister-in-law, daughter and any other lady who has the major role to help the person achieve his target.

So, this is all about ATTITUDE.

Coming back to the simplest ques. of Nishant......Dear, whatever good I do I feel great and happy inside for that.... and I always feel proud for the achievements of the people around me whoever make me also feel high by their acts.

So, saying I m proud to be a Jat, it means that it's your community who made you felt like that.....and that's why the word JAT is used there.

I feel proud of myself to be a Jat, is something which shows a boasty kind nature of the person....so this type statement is never given by any person....and if so, then the nature of that person can be easily understood.
 
poonamkhokhar said:
Why whats wrong in declaring something that you actually feel? If this is to be the way than you will only end up as being dishonest...and this will be a negative emotion rather than of feeling proud. Feeling proud in itself is not a negative emotion because it entails that you are aware of a certain quality of yours and are happy about it...neither is its declaring. It only shows that you are aware about your SELF. If one is intent on knowing what is negative than its VANITY and not PRIDE. The former involves an excess while pride never involves excess.
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Actually , i did not want to post anything again in this thread bcoz i was considered the controversial or derailer. Poonam ji u have chossen my post and give yr points and concluded my pionts as dishonest act. still i m not agree on yr verson. Neelam has tried a good explanation on the matter in her above post.

मुझे अपनी इस कामयाबी पर घमंड है
मुझे अपने आप पर घमंड है कि मैंने गोल्ड मैडल जीता, परिक्षा में टॉप किया

is this the only way to clebrate, to feel, to declare of achievement. happiness and feeling proud on any achievement is natural emotion, nobody can stop it. and no body can feel that joy, happiness , proud, which is being felt by the indl himself/herself. लेकिन इसका खुलम खुल्ला ढीन्डोरा पीटना ही जरूरी है क्या. तभी पब्लिक को पता लगेगा कि now only so and so is feelig proud. that was my point. i may be wrong in yr way of thinkg, sorry for that.
further a lot of examples r there, Abhinav bindra, Vishy, nobody has said, " i m proud of myself for ---" Vishy even said on becoming the world champion "I did it, I am relieved" I know he was the happiest person on those moments. He was feeling the every emotion right from proud to happiness to joy to everything.
 
sanjeev_balyan said:
Actually , i did not want to post anything again in this thread bcoz i was considered the controversial or derailer. Poonam ji u have chossen my post and give yr points and concluded my pionts as dishonest act. still i m not agree on yr verson. Neelam has tried a good explanation on the matter in her above post.

मुझे अपनी इस कामयाबी पर घमंड है
मुझे अपने आप पर घमंड है कि मैंने गोल्ड मैडल जीता, परिक्षा में टॉप किया

is this the only way to clebrate, to feel, to declare of achievement. happiness and feeling proud on any achievement is natural emotion, nobody can stop it. and no body can feel that joy, happiness , proud, which is being felt by the indl himself/herself. लेकिन इसका खुलम खुल्ला ढीन्डोरा पीटना ही जरूरी है क्या. तभी पब्लिक को पता लगेगा कि now only so and so is feelig proud. that was my point. i may be wrong in yr way of thinkg, sorry for that.
further a lot of examples r there, Abhinav bindra, Vishy, nobody has said, " i m proud of myself for ---" Vishy even said on becoming the world champion "I did it, I am relieved" I know he was the happiest person on those moments. He was feeling the every emotion right from proud to happiness to joy to everything.
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sir, i do respect your views and every person has a right to stand by his/her views. Why should you or anyone be sorry..there is nothing right or wrong here. First of all the topic is very subjective so each and every person will have a different opinion and there is nothing wrong with it.

I will try to make myself more clear...i have used two words pride and vanity and have said that vanity is a negative term and not pride. You used the word 'ghamand' which is vanity not pride. Again do you feel it negative when someone says...i am proud of my family/i am proud of my country/i am feeling proud of my achievement which brought smile on so many faces...& so on. There is a very thin line between this pride and vanity and you can only feel it when someone speaks. Its from the way one speaks that you can judge whether a person is being proud in a positive sense or is being vain.

As far dishonesty is concerned i think yes it will be... when in the eyes of people one is not saying something that one is feeling all the same somewhere the person will be dishonest. I do not intend any offence here...you may very well hold your own views.
 
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Sanjeev, the main difference is that how you feel and in what manner you speak about the things on which you feel proud.
For example, read what you posted in Hindi fonts :

sanjeev_balyan said:
मुझे अपनी इस कामयाबी पर घमंड है
मुझे अपने आप पर घमंड है कि मैंने गोल्ड मैडल जीता, परिक्षा में टॉप किया
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and now read this.

मुझे अपनी इस कामयाबी पर गर्व है |
मुझे अपने आप पर गर्व है कि मैंने गोल्ड मैडल जीता, परिक्षा में टॉप किया |

Does that make some sense ?
 
sanjeev_balyan said:
further a lot of examples r there, Abhinav bindra, Vishy, nobody has said, " i m proud of myself for ---" Vishy even said on becoming the world champion "I did it, I am relieved" I know he was the happiest person on those moments. He was feeling the every emotion right from proud to happiness to joy to everything.
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Sanjeev as I ve quoted in one of my posts earlier, Vish. Anand said cleary I am proud of my victory. And try to think in broader aspect, feeling proud of ones achievements is not at all something negative. As Vijay and Poonam have mentioned, there's difference between Ghamand and Garv. The proud we all are talking here is Garv, Not Ghamand - the vanity.
 
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