Can WORDS express our feelings?

sunitahooda said:
Recently, i was to write a personal letter and being comfortable in english i opted and wrote in english, then, my bhai said you should have written this in Hindi or even in haryanwi. I agree Nishant, the reader's comfort must be kept in mind and thats why i thought english can be grasped most comfortably. But, since my bhai pointed out i was bit perplexed, what if the reader doesn't UNDERSTAND HOW I WANT TO EXPRESS:)since then i'd been pondering over this issue and in the past i,myself felt english doesn't express our emotions as beautifully as Hindi might do, is it just a hiccup or thats true? Can others flash some light on it?
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Well, readers comfort is first preference otherwise I choose Hindi. Haryanavi is lil difficult to write and the reader will aslo face problems while reading... if i want to express myself and need to show my emotions, feelings and expressions then I will just call up that guy and talk... aajkal harr jagah phone hai :D:p;)
 
sunitahooda said:
Recently, i was to write a personal letter and being comfortable in english i opted and wrote in english, then, my bhai said you should have written this in Hindi or even in haryanwi. I agree Nishant, the reader's comfort must be kept in mind and thats why i thought english can be grasped most comfortably. But, since my bhai pointed out i was bit perplexed, what if the reader doesn't UNDERSTAND HOW I WANT TO EXPRESS:)since then i'd been pondering over this issue and in the past i,myself felt english doesn't express our emotions as beautifully as Hindi might do, is it just a hiccup or thats true? Can others flash some light on it?
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Aan hey ye phone kad kaam aavenge? er je aahmya-shahmi ho jya te iste badhiya battey na. Bol ke batan te er likhan mein bhi pharak aa jya se.

Er je apna koe kati ee goodh se to likh de haryanvi mein je agla samjhta ho er haryanvi ne low standard na manta ho te.
Er je na samajhta ho to likh de Hindi mein.

Dekh Hindi English ki baat manney to nue laggey se ek aadmi jis bhasha ne bolta likhta bada hoya se jiska wo jyada paryog kare hai wo usse mein confirtable mehsoos kare hai .... and he can better express his/her views in the native language.
 
dkumars said:
I dont find wrong using these words but just to take care who is the target crowd.
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That to me is the crux , I do use such words but i guess my target audience is my very close friends!
 
brahmtewatia said:
i also carry an open nd adaptive mind, wch at times can be highly irascible nd emotional cos it cares for every soul tht exists on this planet EARTH.

My question to you would be that , are you sure these words comfort each and every one on this earth. If i just have to contradict you , I would say when I see these words , I get sad :) , so you are not caring for me ! :D


in my short tryst with destiny, i’ve read the psyche of ppl belonging to different groups, cultures, ethnicities nd communities. i got a chance to stay among biharis, UP men, gujaratis, sindhis, marwaris, punjabi’s nd off course jats. internationally, i’ve dealt vry closely with britishers, umricans, south african goras of various origin… be it frm deutschland, germany or a norwegian nd the local blacks of various groups, tribes nd ethnicities. i’ve also dealt with colored ppl of cape town – a rare blend of different species of homo-sapiens, a gora among them always a frontrunner who mingled with every female of different ethnicity. everyone have adopted these slangs/swear words in the best way they can nd in accordance to maximum permissible capacity… 23kg + 7kg per person.


I do not understand why you have to talk about majority or talk about others , while justifying yourself! You are unique and have a sensible mind , so you just should not blindly copy any one else on this earth. :) ( I am sure you would agree that its now 1-0 to me :D ).

i don’t think the usage of slangs/swear words anywhere implies tht you are somewhere lacking in yr communication or writing skills. few of the folks, if not all, who hav used those slangs on the current hot thread have excellent communication nd writing skills. i out rightly nd very strongly reject your ratiocination, if at all it carries any logic.

I do not allow you to reject that hypothesis , Of course it does show a lack of communication skills/writing skills. Well lets look at this example: We are a nuclear power , imagine tomorrow , some country throws a nuclear bomb or something similar on us and we just sit quiet and watch it and vow not to use our nuclear resources , would you still say India is a nuclear power , what power is that if you cannot use it. What communication/writing skills are those whom you cannot use. And remember , communication/writing skills must not be tested on a routine basis , you yourself a Engineer need not be told that the real test comes under stress scenario , and for that very matter we have those stress tests in place. A person raged up , a person high on emotions , a person away from the centre line of practising equanimity is under stress , he is under stress to use those "crap" words and he does the same and you call that an underground appeal? I call that a weakness. To be the nest you have to be away from the rest , is not it ? Whats the fun in doing what every TDH+C would do! :)




the usage of word “maderjath” in the movie “gangajal” very nicely depicts the culture tht prevails in tht part of india nd it’s popular acceptance among the locals when in fit of anger/outrage. remember the song “bidi jalai-le jigar se piya” written by gulzaar. now this song nd its picturization from the movie “omkara”, if i go by your logic, seem to be a vry vulgar one. but to me it’s a very nice catch of the feel by gulzar of the local dialect nd everything it depicts nd conveys… rightly hit at the psyche of biharis nd ppl of UP.


There is no denying the fact that there is linguistic and other kind of freedom guaranteed by the constitution of India and one is free to practice a particular language etc , infact one should try and preserve the tradition , the richness of culture , but that does not mean you can start using that everywhere , imagine each of the MPs in Indian parliament swearing in their local dialoects etc , would be fun! :D When in social forums such as the one on we are , we must try and uphold the sanctity of it , we all must remember that the intended audience is not your friends , but the whole world :) We must at least try and give a nice picture of ourselves!


man, try catch the essence… touch the base. the ground zero exists on terra-ferma, not on cloud nine. ;) don’t take an argument just for the heck of it.

I never do so Sir , i am sure you can guess that!

p.s. : pls. note the amendment marked in red (my 1st post) - “these swear words or slangs (often times) add an extra '”underground' appeal”
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Just in reply to your "underground - appeal " try and justify the same in wake of these Kabir Doha's:

1) meetha sabse boliye , sukh upjat chahoon aur
vashikaran ye hi mantra hai , tajii de vachan kathor

2) shabd barabar dhan nahi , jo koi jaane bol
heera to daamon mile , shabd mol nahi tol ...

:)
 
anilsinghd said:
Just in reply to your "underground - appeal " try and justify the same in wake of these Kabir Doha's:

1) meetha sabse boliye , sukh upjat chahoon aur
vashikaran ye hi mantra hai , tajii de vachan kathor

2) shabd barabar dhan nahi , jo koi jaane bol
heera to daamon mile , shabd mol nahi tol ...

:)
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Bhai ye dohe bahut sahi hai aur kissi bhi prakar ki ghrana/gussa/tikkhi/ganddi waani ka prayog na karne ke liye likhe gaye hai... ye sab uss par bhi laagu hai jab aap ye abusive words use nahi karte .. woh beep waale ya asterisk **** waale word :)

Waise ek aur doha hai

Boli ek amol hai, jo koi bole jaani
Laakh taraju taul kar tab mukh bahar aani
 
In my JL history.

i once used the word "crap".....
and somebody poke his nose...with an objection.

Thanks god..Mr. Anil Dalal jumped in before i could clarify further....that if you (the one who objected) can clearly see that it has been used in context of an "adjective"

crap (as adjective) : bakwaas/faltoo

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Also it all depends upon the mindset of the receiver (the one's having weak recievers), who mis-intrepret the signals...

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the word used by Mr. Bramha (if our moderator hasn't warned not to use even aestriks, i would have put that word as it is........) is quite a common word in marathi/mumbaiyya language.....

and it was used in the sense of ...."bevkoof bana raha hu"


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Anyways..."jatland is not at all a platform for brainstorming, sharing views and creating a common viewpoint"....because people are here more to "CONDEMN" each other's viewpoint...(some because of personal grudges...some because of pretending Mr/Ms good)
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anilsinghd said:
I do use such words but i guess my target audience is my very close friends!
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वो कहते हैं ना... पाण्डे जी पछतायेंगे, और वोही चने खायेंगे. :D:D:D

सुन्दर काण्ड के प्रथम अध्याय में मैंने यही प्रवचन दिया था... जब लक्ष्मण भ्राता was hurling expletives on श्रूपनखा, तब मर्यादा पुरषोत्तम श्री राम ने उनको यही कह कर समझाया था... that hurling expletives and that too on a राक्षस्नी is not good. ऐसा करने से आप सूर्यवंश की तमाम मर्यादाओं का उल्लंघन कर रहे हो.
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प्लीज़ रेफर सुन्दर काण्ड प्रथम अध्याय... ;)
brahmtewatia said:
when I am with my friends, i do it cos it makes me sound like one of the guys – which is great – as long as i don’t also start acting like them nd bring that in my daily talk
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प्लीज़ आल्सो रेफर अरण्य काण्ड द्वितीय अध्याय... ;)
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brahmtewatia said:
i also n’vr use such words socially, tht includes this portal as well. my 700 odd posts are testimony to my assertion. the fact, however remains tht i don’t mind them, cos they have become part nd parcel of our everyday life. although socially speaking i condemn them out rightly, but again it is “situation specific”.
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brahmtewatia said:
if you want complete unabridged edition of "ramayana" by Ch. ब्रह्मानंद शास्त्री please e-mail me with yr contact details. :D:D:D
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Bitte! :)
 
I somehow feel it even more objectionable when people target their close friends, esp. when they refer mother or sisters, maa behano ki kya galti hai, unko kyu kisi ghatiya prakaran mein ghaseeta jaye? Woh maa/bahney jinko sabhi izzat se samney to namaste kartey hongey aur gaaliyon ki bauchharon mein naam lene se nahi chuktey hongey:o
anilsinghd said:
That to me is the crux , I do use such words but i guess my target audience is my very close friends!
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sunitahooda said:
I somehow feel it even more objectionable when people target their close friends, esp. when they refer mother or sisters, maa behano ki kya galti hai, unko kyu kisi ghatiya prakaran mein ghaseeta jaye? Woh maa/bahaney inko sabhi izzat se samney to namaste kartey hongey aur gaaliyon ki bauchharon mein naam lene se nahi chuktey hongey:o
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Chhori kati bang on target hei....only stupids can dispute her take.
 
sunitahooda said:
I somehow feel it even more objectionable when people target their close friends, esp. when they refer mother or sisters, maa behano ki kya galti hai, unko kyu kisi ghatiya prakaran mein ghaseeta jaye? Woh maa/bahney jinko sabhi izzat se samney to namaste kartey hongey aur gaaliyon ki bauchharon mein naam lene se nahi chuktey hongey:o
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Opps ab to kaatai no comments aali situation aage:D
 
Jis tarah sabji mein extra taste dalne ke liye tagda chonk lagana padta hai usi tarah apna gussa dikhane ke liye kuch ache sabd istemal karne padte hain
aaj sabko bina ye aache sabd istemal kiye apni baat manwayee nahi ja sakti.Is cheez ka sabse bada nazara road par hui gadiyo ki bhidant ke baad logo ke hone wale VARTALAAP se mil sakta hai ya gaon mein nalke pe lagi mahilao ki bheed ke beech ho rahe vartalap se milta hai.

haan agar aap Kad ya Pad se bade hain to ek meethe sabd se is se bhi jyada khatarnaak asar padta hai for example
Boss aapko bulaye aur kahe "aapne ab tak file submit nahi ki hai mujhe lagta hai ab mujhe file ki jaroorat nahi hai aap ghar jayein aur file naye boss ko e dena"
ya koi sadhe 6 foot tagda aadmi aapke pass aaye aur bade pyar se bole "bhai aap yahan se uth ke doosri jagah ja ke baith jaiye yahan mein baithunga" agar wo thodi si haryanvi tone mein bole to chonk aur bhi ghana pad jya hai
 
satya vachan..sunitaji

sunitahooda said:
I somehow feel it even more objectionable when people target their close friends, esp. when they refer mother or sisters, maa behano ki kya galti hai, unko kyu kisi ghatiya prakaran mein ghaseeta jaye? Woh maa/bahney jinko sabhi izzat se samney to namaste kartey hongey aur gaaliyon ki bauchharon mein naam lene se nahi chuktey hongey:o
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well aajkal chhoriyan bhi ghaat na sain....
kam te kam un ne to....ma behan hata ke....baap bhai laga lena chahiye...logically...:p.......:tamatar:thappad

arr gamman me bhi...

chhote-chhote chhori/chhore bhi bhai ne bebe ki gaal bakke sain...jabki unko pata nahi hota ("bhavarth")...........these great traits have been given by our elders...bade bujurg....

gaam ke buddhe te buddhe bhi, khaat me ghale hod bhi...."bina gaal ke baat e na karte"....madi si baat pe chhom atte hi...shuru...apni bahu bettiyan agge bhi...kise bahar ke admi agge bhi...:mad:

dukkh to tab hota hai...jab ek "maa" apne chhote se chhore ne maa bahan ki gaal bakke sai (jisko wo bachcha bhi baad me apna gussa jahir karne ke liye..usi ka prayog karta hai......apni maa ke liye bhi)...thappad:tamatar

ar hadd to tab ho jaya kare jad...bahan bhi apne bhai ne...bebbe ki gaal bakkein se.....khaskar..SC/ST's me....(chhudhe-chamar-dhanak etc)

Anyways That's also the reason why south indian's hate's North Indian's.......unke yahan..sala, kameena, haramkhor....ye aur is tareh ki chhoti moti halki fulki gaaliyan chalti hain..

Counclusion: For North Indians (Delhi, Haryana, UP majorly)...it's an helping verb to show their anger. And these traits we keep on passing to generation next.:mad:

Let's make a pledge: we (atleast JL ppls) should not pass on this "sanskaar's" to our gen. next......:rolleyes:
 
Satinder....i know either girls don't abuse but in case they do...they leave boys far behind, i didn't speak to a close friend for 1.5 years as she abused a rash driver once at a public place.

Its really nice and appreciable gesture what you wrote....this is the ONLY message i wanted to convey and convince others to deliver what we want to hear....or later we loose face in front of our own kids. This lesson is no way different to others like- be honest/ dont tell lies/ respect elders/ Dont steal and many more.:) Thanks for the support
ssgoyat said:
well aajkal chhoriyan bhi ghaat na sain....
kam te kam un ne to....ma behan hata ke....baap bhai laga lena chahiye...logically...:p.......:tamatar:thappad


Let's make a pledge: we (atleast JL ppls) should not pass on this "sanskaar's" to our gen. next......:rolleyes:
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Well Suns, IMO, any sort of cuss words are an excellent way of venting out frustration ;) BUT, more importantly, one should exercise some caution regarding the place and people around while at it expressing 'em..C'mon.... what the f....errr ...I mean Heck.....:D
 
Exactly....by the way....shukar tanne post karan ka tame ka:Ddhya
poonam said:
Well Suns, IMO, any sort of cuss words are an excellent way of venting out frustration ;) BUT, more importantly, one should exercise some caution regarding the place and people around while at it expressing 'em..C'mon.... what the f....errr ...I mean Heck.....:D
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ssgoyat said:
That's also the reason why south indian's hate's North Indian's.........:rolleyes:
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Who told you they hate north indians, Half of the life I have spent with south indians I never feel like the same, even after staying with us(NIs), They pick hindi very fast, specially these words.
 
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