My dear Dahiya, no body can deny the importance of education & specially the morale education. Also, there is no disagreement on ,[ no reservation for any community].But considering the present situation, reservation & education policies, political envirnment & state of democratic system in our country, do you really think that reservation for jats will be harmful, if so, may I request you to justify. regards
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My dear Dahiya, no body can deny the importance of education & specially the morale education. Also, there is no disagreement on ,[ no reservation for any community].But considering the present situation, reservation & education policies, political envirnment & state of democratic system in our country, do you really think that reservation for jats will be harmful, if so, may I request you to justify. regards
Yes sir, please find the justification by going through this thread thoroughly. If that is not enough, I doubt anything said by Mr. Dahiya would be.
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This has been discussed in N number of threads and at length Kapil.
I would request you to go through them ( I know it would be a pain but you would also find some quality posts there ).
I have vehemently opposed reservation but then there are people who oppose this whole-heartedly.
In the end , i go with the axiom of choice , let people have their own whims and fantasies and see for themselves ! Illusion is always better than reality , as they say !
This has been discussed in N number of threads and at length Kapil.
I would request you to go through them ( I know it would be a pain but you would also find some quality posts there ).
I have vehemently opposed reservation but then there are people who oppose this whole-heartedly.
In the end , i go with the axiom of choice , let people have their own whims and fantasies and see for themselves ! Illusion is always better than reality , as they say !
Bhai main padh chuka hoon ghane saare thread, aur saari baaton ka yahaan jawaab bhi de chuka hoon isi thread pe...Main to Fateh sir se request karr raha tha ki padh lo ek baar agar aapko arguments chaahiye to. Par aksar yeh hota hai ki log saari Ramayan padh ke poochhte hain ki Sita kiska baap tha...
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Waise to be true i later realised you are the author of this thread !!
fer sharm ke maare edit na kiya apna sujhaav !!
anyways , sumit ne ek video diya tha ... mahabharat ka !!! geeta gyaan ..
usi mein se likh raha hun ....
saamanya manushya to nadiyon ki bhaanti hai , jinhe vyaakulta baha le jaati hai , paruntu unhe apne maarg ka gyaan nahi hota ,woh to andha dhund bahi jaati hain ,kyunki wh keval behne ko hi apna karm samajhti hain!!!
dont know why i am writing this here , but i just hope you get the vague context over here ... although i am not so equipped to even have said these ...
watever ....Waise to be true i later realised you are the author of this thread !!
fer sharm ke maare edit na kiya apna sujhaav !!
anyways , sumit ne ek video diya tha ... mahabharat ka !!! geeta gyaan ..
usi mein se likh raha hun ....
saamanya manushya to nadiyon ki bhaanti hai , jinhe vyaakulta baha le jaati hai , paruntu unhe apne maarg ka gyaan nahi hota ,woh to andha dhund bahi jaati hain ,kyunki wh keval behne ko hi apna karm samajhti hain!!!
dont know why i am writing this here , but i just hope you get the vague context over here ... although i am not so equipped to even have said these ...
Anil tum ne bhi thaan rakhi hai chahe kitne thread shroo kare log per time pe aa ke apnna vichaar zaroor vyakt karna...........bhai ye kucch logo ka publicity stunt hai karne do logo ko..............
nareshkadyan7
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http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20340
Ye hamara huk h.....jaroor milega, mudda garem ho raha h dheeray....dheeray.
Ye hamara huk h.....jaroor milega, mudda garem ho raha h dheeray....dheeray.
Dear Kapil, I did go through all posts on the thread & before writing the post concern and mr dahiya must have also done same thing before initiating his post. you know very well that all points against reservation were replied properly, logically & intelligently by many brothers & after that if mr dahiya had written against the toppic, I thought he must be having some new inputs to justify his oppenion & that is the reason of my asking the justification. Rules of discussion are equally applicable to mr dahiya also, I thought he must be having some new inputs in his mind. However, I have not understood the aim of your comingup with a advoice for me. Beleive me I am not & not want to become the leader of proreservationist & same thing may be applicable to you also. Any way you are always welcome for discussion on the toppic, provided inputs are new & logical.
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Dear Sir, I respectfully disagree. Firstly, I was not giving you any advice. Sorry if it created that impression. In office, even if I have to reply to my MD, I'd write to him saying that "Please find the answers to your questions...". Secondly, according to me, statements like "Arre buddhijeeviyon apni mat socho, gaon waalon ki socho", "Sabne le li to hum kyun na lein", "Falana dhanka community ko dekho"- are NOT proper/logical/intelligent replies, but plain rhetoric. I don't intend to say that none of the pro-reservation arguments on this thread had any weight. But most of them fell in the above category. Your own arguments were contradictory- on one side you opposed any division based on religion/caste, etc. and then you showed a flavour for casteism by saying that "upper caste brahmans and banias were not for us".
Now my observation is that while you were eager to ask Mr. Dahiya for new arguments, I never saw you questioning any of the pro-reservation rhetoric to find logic, leave alone new arguments. It is not strange, I expect any person (including myself) with a strong view to back his view and question the opposite view. But then you can't claim to be bipartisan and neutral if you are doing that. Again please note that my intention is not to show disrespect to you, but I also don't believe in blind faith in anyone irrespective of the stature.
Kapil,
I am pasting this link where we discussed issue of Reservation couple of years back. It would be interesting to read if you have some spare time.
http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17038
I am pasting this link where we discussed issue of Reservation couple of years back. It would be interesting to read if you have some spare time.
http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17038
Dear Anil, there is no issue of stature, disrespect or competition, or equalence, enemity etc. please donot think so small about me I am not at all that kind of person, you are like my child. But certainly when you came up like an advocate for dahiya asking me to go through earlier posts, knowing fully well that we were actively participating in discussion on the thread, was not a gentileman behavior or proper way. My dear it shows some kind of malice & disrespect. It was for your good, but if you have no time for such corrective efforts in that case, I shall atlist will avoide correcting you. My dear please again go through my first post on the thread I made it very clear my position & there is no cotradiction at all. In present circomestances, I am strongly for reservation for jats & till the present policy of govt on reservation & education remain unchanged, my position will be the same. regards
Sir, I can't help it if you are hell bent on seeing malice and disrespect on my part where none was intended. You have not taken cognizance of my clarification and the apology in the last post if you had got an impression that I was correcting you. But anyways, I don't have anything further to say on my behavior as you can't please all the people all the time.
As for the discussion itself, you entered it quite late as far as I am aware and your arguments side-stepped the arguments put forth by those against reservation (including myself). So I had always felt that you have not read these arguments. Now you might have gone through earlier posts, but I can only make an impression from what you have been writing. I'd have liked to explain the contradiction in your views that I saw, but given the light in which you are taking my arguments, probably it'd be better for me to not debate with you. Finally, I am sorry but I don't see any need for corrective measures, still I can apologise if any of my statements unintentionally hurt you.
Kapil, I again submit that I am not enoyed, these are discussins & every body learns from each other.please forgive if you got any of such impression. Let us work unitedly for the good of the community. Brother I feel, we can serve the community in many ways like by our good behavior, disciplined/educated conduct, helping people, motivating, guiding towards right path, even correcting our people etc. please forget & enjoy, my best wishes are always with you. regards
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