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Jats in New Government
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ravinderjeet
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Arvindji pls provide the list of those 62 seats.i also ask all jatveer to includ haritperdesh(western up)in jat heartland.after the observation of all post on this thread i think that right now there is no leader of national statur.and some of our jatveer mention that punjabi jatt are something diffrent. Pls note that punjabi jat also feel that we are same. I have so many sikhjat friends and jatpana is the only bandhan for our friendship.jatveero, hak lad ke liya jata hey mangne se nahi milta.
aryasatyadev
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Arvindji pls provide the list of those 62 seats.i also ask all jatveer to includ haritperdesh(western up)in jat heartland.after the observation of all post on this thread i think that right now there is no leader of national statur.and some of our jatveer mention that punjabi jatt are something diffrent. Pls note that punjabi jat also feel that we are same. I have so many sikhjat friends and jatpana is the only bandhan for our friendship.jatveero, hak lad ke liya jata hey mangne se nahi milta.
Rabvinder Bhai, Veer ras se ot-prot vichar de rahe hain aap........ badhiya hai..... chetna aayegi........ arr bhai western UP ke mei te nyu kahoon hoon ke sansar me kite bhi jaat/jat/jatt hon ve saare apne hi hain......
.......... I think that is where our Jat politicians are lacking. We haven't learned to use media. The way media is used in todays politics is unmatched in history. It is the single most important factor in forming opinions not only of the voter but also of the voted.
I fully agree with your views. However, there are many other issues. Personal equations play very important role. Congress has the culture of using leaders when it needs them the most and then dump. Personal equations come much above public support base in congress culture. Personal equations are more of a part of class culture. I am restrained to write more on this subject, however, I can see the reasons very clearly.
RK^2
Dear virender, my gotra spelling are as under
Kharb, hope you will not mind correcting in future please. regards
Sure ..
Please accept my apology for the mistake. I will not make it in future.
Thanks
arvindjangu
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आर्य साहब , मैं यहाँ तजुर्बे की बता रहा था न के दीपेंदर भाई की शान में कसीदे पढ़ रहा था | किसी जाट भाई ने कहा था हमारा कोई भी जाट नेता इतना तजुर्बे वाला नहीं हैं जिसको मंत्री बनाया जा सके , यही बात राजस्थान के मुख्यमंत्री बनाने की बात आई थी जब हुई थी | दीपेंदर ही क्यों , आप ज्योति मिर्धा (गहलोत) , श्रुति चौधरी ( लेघा) को ले लीजिये | श्रुति लेघा के तो दादा प्रदेश के मुख्यमंत्री , केंद्र में रक्षा व रेल मंत्री रह चुके हैं , इनके पिता राज्ये के कृषि मंत्री व संसद रह चुके हैं , इनकी माता फिलहाल प्रदेश की सरकार में वजीर हैं | ज्योति के दादा तो ७७ की इमर्जेंसी के बाद जब कांग्रेस के बड़े बड़े दुरंधर चुनाव हार गए थे तब भी जीत कर आये थे | यह कहना की जाट को तजुर्बा नहीं हैं बिलकुल गलत हैं | जाट के नाम के आगे तो माँ की कोख से जन्म लेते ही चौधरी लग जाता हैं ,| इसको भी चौधर के गुण सिखाने की जरुरत पड़ेगी क्या ? जब जाट के मंत्री बनाने की बारी आती हैं तभी लोग तजुर्बे की बात क्यों करते हैं ? यह सब गैर जाट लोगो का प्रचार हैं जिसका हमारे कुछ जाट भाई भी समर्थन कर देते हैं , उन गैर जाटों की मंशा को नहीं समझते |arvind, you are championing the cause of deepender only. I agree that he should get the apportunity and that is what i had mentioned in my previous post, however, here we are discussiong about all jat mps and their participation in newly formed government.
गुर्ज्जर जाने दूध की परख
माली जाने सब्जी
कसेरा जाने बर्तन
जाट जाने चौधर
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aryasatyadev
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Nice reply Arvind bhai, in that post my point was that Deepender Hooda and Shruti are comperatively new in politics...... Further, on second thought, it seems that Congress is not providing enough cabinet births to the MPs of those states where it is having strong presence and where State elections are not in near future.
Arvind jee
I agree with you on experience as experience can be earned at a high pace if a person want. But yaa Chaudhar aalee baat kuch hajam nahin hue I think historically all the people can not use the Ch. before there name and it is also not just related to Jats. I have seen honourable people from other caste using the same once they get the Chaudhar And on the top of that people are using it as there last name these days.
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I agree with you on experience as experience can be earned at a high pace if a person want. But yaa Chaudhar aalee baat kuch hajam nahin hue I think historically all the people can not use the Ch. before there name and it is also not just related to Jats. I have seen honourable people from other caste using the same once they get the Chaudhar And on the top of that people are using it as there last name these days.
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ravinderjeet
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veerta to DNA main hey
Satya Dev ji namaskaar,
jaton main veertaa to DNA main hey, maein to usko activate karne ki kosis ker raha hoon.
Rabvinder Bhai, Veer ras se ot-prot vichar de rahe hain aap........ badhiya hai..... chetna aayegi........ arr bhai western UP ke mei te nyu kahoon hoon ke sansar me kite bhi jaat/jat/jatt hon ve saare apne hi hain......
Satya Dev ji namaskaar,
jaton main veertaa to DNA main hey, maein to usko activate karne ki kosis ker raha hoon.
aryasatyadev
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Sir it is same story once again, Ch. Charan Singh Kursi ko jeb me rakh ke ghumte the..... Ajit Singh Ji, kursi ke aage piche ghumte hain...... par fir bhi nahi milti
There is an old saying about jats "jatra aar katra aapne e ne maarai sai" This factor also plays in jat leaders being negelected.यह कोई नई बात नहीं हैं , जब देश आजाद हुआ था चाचा नेहरु ने अपनी सरकार में एक जाट को मंत्री बनाया था , सरदार बलदेव सिंह जी को परन्तु उनको जाट करके नहीं बनाया था बल्कि सिख करके बनाया था | यह तो जाट के साथ हमेशा से होता आया हैं और रहेगा , जाट तो एक खागड़ की तरह हैं जिस के दरवाजे के आगे जायेगा जाते ही अगला इसके लठ मरेगा फेर यो खागड़ (जाट ) आगले बाहरने आगे जा खड्या होगा उडे भी लठ खा गा , पर यो भोला खागड़ (जाट) उस लठ मारने वाले की तरफ एक बार भी मुड के नहीं मारेगा |
एक भाई ने सीटो के आकडे दिए हैं | भारत में 62 सीट ऐसी हैं जो जाट बाहुल्ये हैं और 28 पर जाट वोट निर्णायक वोट हैं , फेर भी एक मंत्रालय की दरकरार रह स | भारत में ब्राह्मणों की आबादी 3 % हैं जबकि जाट 4% ( हिन्दू सिख बिश्नोई मुल्ला मिला कर ) हैं , पर प्रधानमंत्री कौन बनेगा ? ब्राह्मण बनेगा | आज एक सिख खत्री देश का प्रधानमंत्री हैं जिनकी आबादी सिखों में मात्र 0.9 % हैं , और जो कभी जनमत से नहीं बनता , परन्तु प्रचार इस्सा करेंगे के इससे ईमानदार आदमी नहीं स | जो बिना जनता में जाए इस मुकाम तक पहुच गया उसका सवभाव किसा होगा इब खुद सोच लो | आज के वक़्त तो बिना चापलूसी के चपरासी भी लगना मुश्किल हैं फेर देश का राजा बनना तो दूर की बात स | जाट से चापलूसी होती नहीं तो फेर इब मंत्री कहा से बनेगा वो तो संत्री ही रहेगा |
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hoodarajesh
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आर्य साहब , मैं यहाँ तजुर्बे की बता रहा था न के दीपेंदर भाई की शान में कसीदे पढ़ रहा था | किसी जाट भाई ने कहा था हमारा कोई भी जाट नेता इतना तजुर्बे वाला नहीं हैं जिसको मंत्री बनाया जा सके , यही बात राजस्थान के मुख्यमंत्री बनाने की बात आई थी जब हुई थी | दीपेंदर ही क्यों , आप ज्योति मिर्धा (गहलोत) , श्रुति चौधरी ( लेघा) को ले लीजिये | श्रुति लेघा के तो दादा प्रदेश के मुख्यमंत्री , केंद्र में रक्षा व रेल मंत्री रह चुके हैं , इनके पिता राज्ये के कृषि मंत्री व संसद रह चुके हैं , इनकी माता फिलहाल प्रदेश की सरकार में वजीर हैं | ज्योति अरविंद जी जाटो की चोधर एक बार केंद्र में आई थी .
चोधरी देवीलाल जी
ले आये थे पर देवीलाल जी उस कम समय के लिए भी
पर्धान मंत्री बन ने का मोका खो गए नही तो दो बार
जाट पर्धान मंत्री का ठप्पा इतिहास में दर्ज हो जाता .
अब तो नेहरु परिवार का फिर से केंद्र में कब्जा हो गया .
और सायद अब तो १५-२० साल तक ख़त्म भी नही होगा . के दादा तो ७७ की इमर्जेंसी के बाद
अरविंद जी जाटो की चोधर एक बार केंद्र में आई थी .
चोधरी देवीलाल जी
ले आये थे पर देवीलाल जी उस कम समय के लिए भी
पर्धान मंत्री बन ने का मोका खो गए नही तो दो बार
जाट पर्धान मंत्री का ठप्पा इतिहास में दर्ज हो जाता .
अब तो नेहरु परिवार का फिर से केंद्र में कब्जा हो गया .
और सायद अब तो १५-२० साल तक ख़त्म भी नही होगा .
naveenchhillar
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Guys,
I am not a regular visitor to the website, but I have read almost all comments on this forum about Jat politicians, whether they should be included in cabinet or not.
I think, it doesn't make a difference to a nation if a minister is a JAT or not, only worth is that he should be ready to serve people. If we continue making a fuss about one cast, religion, I think we will be far behind other countries.
e.g. if someone is working in a corporate, they don't see him as a caste based person.
Apologies if I have offended anyone.
Chhillar
I am not a regular visitor to the website, but I have read almost all comments on this forum about Jat politicians, whether they should be included in cabinet or not.
I think, it doesn't make a difference to a nation if a minister is a JAT or not, only worth is that he should be ready to serve people. If we continue making a fuss about one cast, religion, I think we will be far behind other countries.
e.g. if someone is working in a corporate, they don't see him as a caste based person.
Apologies if I have offended anyone.
Chhillar
aryasatyadev
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Naveen, I think if we are Jats we should think about jats whether in the govt or outside of it.
naveenchhillar
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Yes, I agree to the point that we are Jats....but, that thing is not easily digested that we should only think about Jats, nothin beyond that......
we should leave these things behind & think on how we can be better & how can we contribute to the society & to nation.
I hope that everyone here can agree on this.
Chhillar
we should leave these things behind & think on how we can be better & how can we contribute to the society & to nation.
I hope that everyone here can agree on this.
Chhillar
aryasatyadev
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Yes, you are right Naveen, we should leave this petty politics behind and should think for the greater interest of Nation. But my dear, please do ponder over one point: whenever PM appoints anybody as a minister or state minister, it is circulated to papers -- Mr/Ms...... a leader from falani dhimkani backward/schedule caste, from falana state has been appointed as....blah blah..... and they took credit of uplifting that downtroden caste, so why we should not join and ask as to how many people from our community have been appointed as Ministers..........
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amiteshv
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You should be ready to accept it as a fact especially when Congress is one WOMAN show. So called mighty, popular and emblem of development etc. Jat leaders are more than eager to save their own positions by saying 'Heil Sonia'
"jat, the seige lies within"...jat aaj tak apne hi karmon se mara gaya hai, vijay singh ji. kuchh bade se ho gaye ho, but ur political acumen is too sharp..
o, sunda, jat apne hi karmon se mara gaya hai aur mara jata rahega ...sadiyon tak...jab charan ..ye saare jat rajasthan ke suspend kiye the lok dal se...
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amiteshv
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apne dum pe aao, vijay singh ji, thats the message given by charan to another sunda, namely kumbha...no body ever gave u n e thing from brahmin to sc...jat did work hard ...always...plz take care of this reservation thread of jats...vo ram singh seekar hala phir ghus aaya sse...aur jat moderator ...bhigi ...billi ..bane baithe ssyen...bera koni patte ukk hum dusri kaum kke kha rre ssyenn...hum tte bhai in doosre bhaiyon ki site pe to jaate nahin ye bhai hum shanti priya jat ki site pe kyon aate hain...
apne dum pe aao, vijay singh ji, thats the message given by charan to another sunda, namely kumbha...no body ever gave u n e thing from brahmin to sc...jat did work hard ...always...plz take care of this reservation thread of jats...vo ram singh seekar hala phir ghus aaya sse...aur jat moderator ...bhigi ...billi ..bane baithe ssyen...bera koni patte ukk hum dusri kaum kke kha rre ssyenn...hum tte bhai in doosre bhaiyon ki site pe to jaate nahin ye bhai hum shanti priya jat ki site pe kyon aate hain...
shantipriya should not comment adversally about bania,brahman,rajput, dalit etc self praise is ok but sometimes indecent comments provok reactions.
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