It may be garbage level, the sensational journalism, but can it fudge the stats.
Khap Panchayat and Indian Judicial System
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Same old, same old.........
Raka sahab, aap itna likhan ki takeef manna liya karro. Agar aap blank post bhi daal doge ne, to bhi humne bera paat jaaga ki aap ke kehna chaah rahe ho. Matbal ki warna yeh dialoguebaazi baansi laagan lagegi...
chhori tu isa dar kyu maan ri s is khaap ta , k baat kimme rool to na s bata diye le teri to tarafdaari karange khaap aalya aage
jitender hooda bhai aagar is manaraam ki jagah aapa hote to kya karte???? is dipak ne gunthi pahrate k ?
Raka sahab, aap itna likhan ki takeef manna liya karro. Agar aap blank post bhi daal doge ne, to bhi humne bera paat jaaga ki aap ke kehna chaah rahe ho. Matbal ki warna yeh dialoguebaazi baansi laagan lagegi...
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But of course it can. Why not? Anything to prove a point, as they say. And what stats are you talking about? The bit about 150 honour killings in Muzaffarnagar based on a "survey by a New Delhi-based organisation"? Is it some secret organization that he doesn't have a name? Or is there no organization? And how do you do a survey to ascertain killings? Who do you survey- dead people?
Seperate the wheat from the chaff, isn't that what we do with every news thats reported? We survey the alive to ascertain the dead.
achha chhote bhai aage ta dhyaan rakhunga maine bera na tha mera ladla chhota samajhdar bhai bhi aade aawe s
My understanding of a survey is that either you go to each village and ask everyone. Like a census is done, comprehensively. Which clearly won't have been done. Or you do a survey of a much smaller sample, find an average trend and assign it to the whole population. But this is not some "feature" or "charateristic" that you can find an average and extrapolate.
A serious research piece on crime would usually not take "facts" from surveys but from official crime figures (one may though apply adjustments to take into account police inefficiency). And even if any survey is used, there is a clear elaboration on what methodolgy was used. Forget the details, this guy doesn't even have a name on who did the survey.
The tone, tenor and quality of the article is totally suspect for me. I am not going to try and find diamonds in a coal mine where none exist. I am not disputing honor killings, but I am not going to jump to the other extreme and start believing articles that sensationalise them.
kapil tahra bhi karda kaam s jinne yo saang shuru karya tha wo saangi ja bhi liye aur thaam eb tahi aade darrruuu bajaan laag re so .....
le chhote bhai eb na bolu bas akhri baar je kar gya tha , eb aage ta tu a bar liye yo ( fill in the blanks ) meri taraf ta ----------------------
le chhote bhai eb na bolu bas akhri baar je kar gya tha , eb aage ta tu a bar liye yo ( fill in the blanks ) meri taraf ta ----------------------
You may discount the article with questions on the tone, tenor and quality of the article, or the numbers quoted or the methodolgy followed to get these numbers. That still does not change the ground reality of role played by Khaps in "honor killings" if not by encouraging, then by "not discouraging".
Agree on that. My stand, as explained in an earlier post, is not at all to give Khaps a clean chit. They are accountable for these murders as they are the ones who take the village society as their undisputable jurisdiction. But dodgy evidence/support only hurts one's case. Plus, there are significant costs of such shoddy journalism in terms of antagonising sentiments/spreading misinformation.
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anilsinghd
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Precisely the point that I wanted to make.
ravindra.singh
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It want to express my vies that Khap Panchayat are very well because it solves so many issues locally that we dont have to g oto courts and spend so much money on useless issues.
But there MUST be some limitations for these kind of panchayat decision. They DO NOT have rights to give death sentences (so called Honor Killings...). For this we have our constitution of India. So having this in mind, these panchayat should take any decision.
I do not support same gotra marriages at all but if someone is doing that, Khap Panchayat are not supposed to give them Death Sentence. This is completely immoral, and in that case it would support if some serious action is taken against these Khap Panchayat heads.
In Kadyan-Gehlot case, I would say that same rights must be for both side. We cannot have rights based on number of people living in a village....
But there MUST be some limitations for these kind of panchayat decision. They DO NOT have rights to give death sentences (so called Honor Killings...). For this we have our constitution of India. So having this in mind, these panchayat should take any decision.
I do not support same gotra marriages at all but if someone is doing that, Khap Panchayat are not supposed to give them Death Sentence. This is completely immoral, and in that case it would support if some serious action is taken against these Khap Panchayat heads.
In Kadyan-Gehlot case, I would say that same rights must be for both side. We cannot have rights based on number of people living in a village....
drssrana2003
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Khap Panchayats and Indian Judicial System
The idea of justice in a plural society like ours in India is not a static cobcept. Individual liberty or freedom is nor was ever absolute. It is governed by our social regulatory institutions like the Khap Panchayats as far as social behaviour is concerned. The State has a vast apparatus in the form of laws and regulations. Even if the social institutions are not State sponsored they have regulated and guided the destiny of the social code through centuries.Rawls has said that Justice of just institutions that decide the basic structure of society is bound to be just. Individuals and their reactions are just in so fr as they conform to the demands of just institutions. Basic structure of society is the primary subject of justice
The idea of justice in a plural society like ours in India is not a static cobcept. Individual liberty or freedom is nor was ever absolute. It is governed by our social regulatory institutions like the Khap Panchayats as far as social behaviour is concerned. The State has a vast apparatus in the form of laws and regulations. Even if the social institutions are not State sponsored they have regulated and guided the destiny of the social code through centuries.Rawls has said that Justice of just institutions that decide the basic structure of society is bound to be just. Individuals and their reactions are just in so fr as they conform to the demands of just institutions. Basic structure of society is the primary subject of justice
Sir,
I agree with your observation that justice in our society is not static but the evolution of 'khap Punchayat' is not dynamic either. The boundaries of just and justice couldn't be evolving in isolation of ever changing social environment.
I believe,the current controversy is also the result of 'khap Punchayat' not keeping pace with the dynamic society.
Again, the quote from Rawls is based on the assumption that these Institutions are just, hence can't do any injustice.Our Khap punchayats have failed the Litmus Test time and again.One khap member pronounced a decision as just when he was heading the khap Punchayat a few years back but making hue and cry when at the receiving end.
Sir, to me Khap punchayts can't be just and couldn't be saviour of social justice if representatives can't call a spade a spade.
With warmest regards
I agree with your observation that justice in our society is not static but the evolution of 'khap Punchayat' is not dynamic either. The boundaries of just and justice couldn't be evolving in isolation of ever changing social environment.
I believe,the current controversy is also the result of 'khap Punchayat' not keeping pace with the dynamic society.
Again, the quote from Rawls is based on the assumption that these Institutions are just, hence can't do any injustice.Our Khap punchayats have failed the Litmus Test time and again.One khap member pronounced a decision as just when he was heading the khap Punchayat a few years back but making hue and cry when at the receiving end.
Sir, to me Khap punchayts can't be just and couldn't be saviour of social justice if representatives can't call a spade a spade.
With warmest regards
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anilsinghd
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Totally in sync with that , as i have reiterated it often , tradition and culture and institutions are not something to demolish and then build new ones but they need to be worked upon with change of times. Same is the case with the Khap Panchayats i believe , there should be more youth participation , more women participation , a constant feffort to understand the issues of people , polls and feedbback mechanism to know what people want and how people want the solutions.
It cannot be the case that on one hand we talk about empowerment , education ,freedom and ideals and on the other impose authority on people at the same time.
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malikdeepak1
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Totally in sync with that , as i have reiterated it often , tradition and culture and institutions are not something to demolish and then build new ones but they need to be worked upon with change of times. Same is the case with the Khap Panchayats i believe , there should be more youth participation , more women participation , a constant feffort to understand the issues of people , polls and feedbback mechanism to know what people want and how people want the solutions.
Govt at center has passed 50% reservation for women in Panchayats.
Still i wonder how the implementation of this reservation will go around
http://in.jagran.yahoo.com/news/national/politics/5_2_5738163.html
Govt at center has passed 50% reservation for women in Panchayats.
Still i wonder how the implementation of this reservation will go around
http://in.jagran.yahoo.com/news/national/politics/5_2_5738163.html
Khap panchayats are not same as panchayats. Villege panchayats are part of Govt and Khap panchayats are not.
Khap panchayats are just social organization based on Gott and casts.
rakeshsehrawat
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Ya baat samajh na aawe inke.
Ye sochte hain ki ye log election se chune jate hain aur ye log sarkar se paise lete hain. Media ki khilafat ke bavjood inke samajh na aawe media is panchayat ko khamkha ghasit raha hai. Khair in ne bhi patkan do paa. Waise bhi wo log ab in pachdo mein padna nahi chahte. kyonki logo ka bharosa court par jyada ho gaya hai panchayat ka fainsla sun-ne ko tayar nahi kyonki wahan jhuthe saboot gavah nahi chalte wahan sachai ki jit hoti hai aur fainsle keliye aapko vakilo ko paise nahi dene hote.
Nangad samaj !!!
You know what is the building block of panchayats are
1. Social Responsibility
2. Harmony
3. Bhai Chara
Lekin nangad(Nude) samaj cant understand that. And Killing killing kya laga rakhi hai. Haan agar panchayat Killing order de deti hai toh kya ho gaya. Ache kaam karne walo ko toh nahi de rahee?
toh Afjal ko Nobel Award dila do shanti ka. Woh bombay wala bhai court mein maje le raha hai. Hum bewkoofon ki tarah news padh rahe hai. and asking for Humanity.
In sab neh toh nangad badha diye samaj mein. Aur yeh sab hamako hi tang karenge.
Aur yeh eve teasing,rape, frauds increasing day by day. why we know our judicial system. and saath dene ke liye hum jaise hai. Kyon unko apne saath bitha lo. Ghar par invite karo Rapist ko?
Aur agar koi puche toh rapist ne kya jurm kar diya. Natural hai. where is the nature law ki both of the partner should be agree.
All these laws developed from this Panchayat sytem. Ab nangad banana hai toh mast hai. Sab panchayat band karwa dena. Aur Why family matters should be solved with in family inko bhi court me le jana.
You know what is the building block of panchayats are
1. Social Responsibility
2. Harmony
3. Bhai Chara
Lekin nangad(Nude) samaj cant understand that. And Killing killing kya laga rakhi hai. Haan agar panchayat Killing order de deti hai toh kya ho gaya. Ache kaam karne walo ko toh nahi de rahee?
toh Afjal ko Nobel Award dila do shanti ka. Woh bombay wala bhai court mein maje le raha hai. Hum bewkoofon ki tarah news padh rahe hai. and asking for Humanity.
In sab neh toh nangad badha diye samaj mein. Aur yeh sab hamako hi tang karenge.
Aur yeh eve teasing,rape, frauds increasing day by day. why we know our judicial system. and saath dene ke liye hum jaise hai. Kyon unko apne saath bitha lo. Ghar par invite karo Rapist ko?
Aur agar koi puche toh rapist ne kya jurm kar diya. Natural hai. where is the nature law ki both of the partner should be agree.
All these laws developed from this Panchayat sytem. Ab nangad banana hai toh mast hai. Sab panchayat band karwa dena. Aur Why family matters should be solved with in family inko bhi court me le jana.
sidchhikara
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Bhai ... yoh profile aala photu tanne Khaat Panchayat main baithe od ne khichwaya sai? Afghanistan mein vacation ghani sasti sein - ghoom aa - naa te ek kaam kar ude he reh jaa - Musalman ban ke - sirf naam badalna sei - lacchan te saare maujood sai.