Aarakshan ko dilli gherenge Jat

The desease of reservation must be cured as early as possible, but brothers, since majority of our population is enjoying some benifits of the reseration & our leaders are very very selfish, the policy of reservation cannot be withdrawn/amended so easily & there fore I strongly recommend reservation for jats and even other left over communities. If jats demmand reservation, other communities will certainly demmand which may not be possible & our leaders will be forced to rethink on the subject. Also when other equally placed communities such as yadavas, malies etc are enjoying the facility why not jats. secondly , what ever alternatives suggested by our few brothrs, good education, oppen seats, hard work, pvt sector jobs etc will steal be with us even if we get reseration. There fore I am sure there is no disadvantage at all to jats if they get reservation, for which we all have to be together in our thinking & action. regards
 
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The desease of reservation must be cured as early as possible, but brothers, since majority of our population is enjoying some benifits of the reseration & our leaders are very very selfish, the policy of reservation cannot be withdrawn/amended so easily & there fore I strongly recommend reservation for jats and even other left over communities. If jats demmand reservation, other communities will certainly demmand which may not be possible & our leaders will be forced to rethink on the subject. Also when other equally placed communities such as yadavas, malies etc are enjoying the facility why not jats. secondly , what ever alternatives suggested by our few brothrs, oppen seats, hard work etc will steal be with us even if we get reseration. There fore I am sure there is no disadvantage at all to jats if they get reservation, for which we all have to be together in our thinking & action. regards

Dear Sir,

Thanks for your support and appreciate your opinion on this issue.

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एक भाई ने कहा के हमे अच्छी शिक्षा अच्छे स्कूल की जरुरत हैं | भाई आपने बिलकुल सही फ़रमाया , आपकी बात गौरतलब हैं | अच्छी शिक्षा मिलने से हमारे बच्चे अच्छी उच्च शिक्षा प्राप्त करेंगे |
अब रही बात आरक्षण की तो भाइयों हम जाट " जर्नल कोटे " में आते हैं जिसमे हमारे लिए 50 % नौकरियो के लिए आवेदन कर सकते हैं | हमने चाहे कितने ही अच्छे शिक्षण संस्था से शिक्षा ग्रहण कर रखी हो , उसके बाद भी हम सिर्फ 50 % नौकरियो के हकदार हैं |
अब रही बात obc कोटे की तो सरकार ने इनके लिए नौकरियो में 27 % कोटा निर्धारित कर रखा हैं |
सरकारी नौकरियो की परीक्षाओ में जो आवेदक (obc या st ) मेरिट में आता हैं उसको जर्नल कोटे के तहत गिना जाता हैं | यानि के हमारा कोटा इससे 50 % से भी कम रह जाता हैं |
अब अगर जाटों को obc कोटा मिला जाये हमारा कोटा हुआ 27 % | हमारे जो बच्चे मेरिट में आएंगे उनकी गिनती 50 % के तहत की जाएगी यानी के हमारा कोटा इससे 50 % +27 % = 77 % | अब हम जहा 50 % नौकरियो में अपना सर फोड़ रहे हैं वही कोटा मिलने से 77 % नौकरिया हासिल करने के हक़दार हो जायेंगे |
हम आरक्षण को खत्म तो नहीं करा सकते पर इस आरक्षण रूपी चक्रव्यूह में घुस कर फायदा तो उठा सकते हैं जैसे अहीर व अन्य जाति के लोग उठा रहे हैं | और रही बात जाति परिवर्तन की तो इससे कोई जाती छोटी बड़ी नहीं हो रही | इस आरक्षण में बात रोजगार की हैं न के जाति परिवर्तन की | कुछ लोग खामखा अपनी कौम के लोगो को गुमराह कर रहे हैं इन ब्राह्मणों की बातों में आकर | ब्राह्मणों को पहले ही जाटों से जलन हैं उन्हें पता हैं अगर ये जाट obc में चले गए तो हर जगह इनका कब्ज़ा हो जायेगा इसलिए वो लोग हमारे भाइयो के दिमाग में यह बात बैठा देते हैं की तुम छोटे हो जाओगे | भाइयों ये ब्राह्मण तो हमें पहले ही शुद्र मानते हैं इनकी बातो को छोडो और समय की नजाकत को समझने की कोशिश करो |

Thanks for your opinion Mr Arvind!!
 
Elder Brother, if you felt I got personal to you then sorry. I never intended to do so.



1) The people I am in touch with like Narender Kharb, Justice tewatia Ji, Rakesh Sangwan, Comdt. Hawa Singh Ji etc. are non political.

Yes, it should be kept away from the hands of political people. We should seek their help but should keep them away from the leadership of such events.

2) Well I respect the thoughts of people who are saying that the need is to improve jats by education and all other things.

WHO ARE STOPPING THEM FOR THIS??

Come out ..... organise people .... DO IT .... But very sorry to say that JanJagriti a step forward from this site itself is finding hard to get volunteers for this noble cause.

Improving the education, resources etc are good thoughts but who will implement those? Also asking reservation and improving education, resources are two different things which can carry on side by side.

One is diplomatic and other one is Social.

We will be in win-win situation, the guys who are asking for social reforms .... please come forward ... give their names to Navin bhai for JanJagriti .... we are seeking more and more volunteers ... believe me the if we get the josh we find in posts of those writers in field we can make big differences.

Others ... please get in touch with Narender Bhai saab ... join rally on 8th Feb.

3) People who are against any kind of reservation .... should stop debating and come forward with actions .... any person across the world can do so ... by gathering any number of people.

If they are bound to some adverse situation and cant do .... then perhaps they should not spoil others actions.

Thanks for your suggestion.. I can see revolutionist in you.. I think we all have some pinch rebelist feeling in all of us. Majority of us won't give those feelings air to ignite.
Regarding reservation, I didn't understand your stand..

1. Do you think Jats need reservation?
2. Do you think reservation is the only charismatic door for jats to excel in every field?
3. I agree with you that its hard to find volunteers for NGOs because NGOs have be corporatized so the people.

I didn't find anything offending in your post and nowhere you have conculded anything from my profile. I appreciate your honest approach to this issue.
I am just curious to know the complete benefits of reservation for jats. There may be some charter statement:
% Reservation in State jobs
% Resevation in Centre Jobs
% Reservation in professional courses
% Reservation in private jobs as Mayawati is planning to nail down corporates also.
% Reservation in other states like Imphal, Trpura, TamilNadu as there are not jats there and we can get sure shot govt jobs there if we have some seats there..

If we really need this reservation then we definately need agitation like Gujjars.. Just curious to know one more thing, Why we are asking for OBC.. we can ask for ST also as Jat is tribe also.. I think benefits will be huge if we fight for ST..
 
The desease of reservation must be cured as early as possible, but brothers, since majority of our population is enjoying some benifits of the reseration & our leaders are very very selfish, the policy of reservation cannot be withdrawn/amended so easily & there fore I strongly recommend reservation for jats and even other left over communities. If jats demmand reservation, other communities will certainly demmand which may not be possible & our leaders will be forced to rethink on the subject. Also when other equally placed communities such as yadavas, malies etc are enjoying the facility why not jats. secondly , what ever alternatives suggested by our few brothrs, good education, oppen seats, hard work, pvt sector jobs etc will steal be with us even if we get reseration. There fore I am sure there is no disadvantage at all to jats if they get reservation, for which we all have to be together in our thinking & action. regards

Respected Sir,

Let me put aside the Jat pride and analyse the reservation. After 60 years
of reservation for dalits and other castes in SC/ST quota, I have not seen any phenomenal change in their social, political, financial conditions. Almost 90% of chamars, dhanaks and other castes are living the life in same condition as they were living 60 years ago. It’s really puzzling to figure out why they were not able to get benefits of reservation.
Let’s talk about Christians, they don't have any reservation and I agree that they have strong financial backing for churches and missionaries, they setup better education centres for them. Christians are excelling like anything in this country. They are doing very best everywhere.

I strongly believe that if someone doesn't read history they often contempt the history. We really need to see all repercussions of reservation and other socio-economic factors before demand something as its an irreversible process.
 
Jaat are LIONS.....and LIONS do not beg......they compete with the best to become best.........they dont participate in the competitions of WEAK'S.......

but after becoming OBC we will not be able to said above lines anywhere.....

Choodhe-chamaar reservation ka laabh lekar bhaari sankhya mein sarkaari naukariyon mein ghus jayenge. Aise mein yadi kisi baat par jat apna virodh jataane ke liye ikatthe hovenge to choodhe-chamaaro ke haatho maar khavenge kyonki Chahal jaise bhaiyo ki baat maankar hum reservation lenge nahi aur fir para-military force mein bhaari sankhya mein bharti choodhe-chamaaron ke haathon maar khayenge. Isse badhiya ho ki chalaaki se kaam lein aur police, para-military force etc. mein resevation ka laabh lekar jyada se jyada sankhya mein bharti ho. Rajasthan mein pichhle dino gurjaro ko isliye apne 80-90 log khone pade the, kyonki jab we pradarshan kar rahe the to police ne un par dhava bol diya aur police afsar meena tha aur police ke adhikatar jawan bhi meena the. Bhai Chahal agar Lion ki tarah jeena hai to chalaaki se kaam lena padega nahi to shero ka shikaar karne ke chakkar mein bahut se ghoom rahe hai.
 
Respected Sir,

Let me put aside the Jat pride and analyse the reservation. After 60 years
of reservation for dalits and other castes in SC/ST quota, I have not seen any phenomenal change in their social, political, financial conditions. Almost 90% of chamars, dhanaks and other castes are living the life in same condition as they were living 60 years ago. It’s really puzzling to figure out why they were not able to get benefits of reservation.
Let’s talk about Christians, they don't have any reservation and I agree that they have strong financial backing for churches and missionaries, they setup better education centres for them. Christians are excelling like anything in this country. They are doing very best everywhere.

I strongly believe that if someone doesn't read history they often contempt the history. We really need to see all repercussions of reservation and other socio-economic factors before demand something as its an irreversible process.

Yudhvir,

Just you asked here why cant we demand for ST Quota,,how could you speak with out any logic ..dont you know there is some criteria for ST and OBC caste. People who are well establish they will not get reservation as they will come under creamy layer.
Why you wory about you , you enjoy where you are?. Why you opposing it for the people who don’t have enough money to send their children to good school.
 
When in Rome do as romans do.Jat lion-phine kuch na reh re...punch latakti hande hei arr miti pit rahi hei.
Na na... bhai Bura. Aapki aadhi baat theek hai, lekin jaat vartmaan mein India ki to kya world ki No. 1 caste hai. Haryana ho, West U. P. ho, Rajasthan ho ya Punjab ho, Jato ka kasutta jor hai yaha. Pichhle dino jab Tiqait ne Mayavati ko sareaam chamaari kah diya tha to C.M. hone ke baavjood wo Tiqait ka baal bhi baanka nahi kar saki thi, lekin jab Rita Bahuguna ne Mayavati ko kuchh kah diya tha to Mayavati ne usska ghar fukwa diya tha. Adhiktar jat theek-thaak shaan se jee rahe hai. Haa ye baat theek hai ki jaisa desh, vaisa bhesh.
 
Your are right Upendra

Choodhe-chamaar reservation ka laabh lekar bhaari sankhya mein sarkaari naukariyon mein ghus jayenge. Aise mein yadi kisi baat par jat apna virodh jataane ke liye ikatthe hovenge to choodhe-chamaaro ke haatho maar khavenge kyonki Chahal jaise bhaiyo ki baat maankar hum reservation lenge nahi aur fir para-military force mein bhaari sankhya mein bharti choodhe-chamaaron ke haathon maar khayenge. Isse badhiya ho ki chalaaki se kaam lein aur police, para-military force etc. mein resevation ka laabh lekar jyada se jyada sankhya mein bharti ho. Rajasthan mein pichhle dino gurjaro ko isliye apne 80-90 log khone pade the, kyonki jab we pradarshan kar rahe the to police ne un par dhava bol diya aur police afsar meena tha aur police ke adhikatar jawan bhi meena the. Bhai Chahal agar Lion ki tarah jeena hai to chalaaki se kaam lena padega nahi to shero ka shikaar karne ke chakkar mein bahut se ghoom rahe hai.

Yes very true they were from other caste like Meena and you are extreamly right kuch bhai jo paisey wale hey un par to faraq nahi padta ..per unka kya jinkey pass kheti ke liye zameen hi 2-4 bheegey rehegi..woh gareeb aadmi padaney ke liye sochega ya Khaney ke liye.
 
Respected Sir,
I have not seen any phenomenal change in their social, political, financial conditions. Almost 90% of chamars, dhanaks and other castes are living the life in same condition as they were living 60 years ago. It’s really puzzling to figure out why they were not able to get benefits of reservation.

you are very well aware why they are not benifiting from reservation, it benifit only those 10% who are economically well settled not the person who is in reality needed it.other 90% are living with the same condition.
 
Yes very true they were from other caste like Meena and you are extreamly right kuch bhai jo paisey wale hey un par to faraq nahi padta ..per unka kya jinkey pass kheti ke liye zameen hi 2-4 bheegey rehegi..woh gareeb aadmi padaney ke liye sochega ya Khaney ke liye.

thats what we are saying........help that poor man to get good education so that he can get jobs.......reservation cannot provide him education that he needs....
 
Na na... bhai Bura. Aapki aadhi baat theek hai, lekin jaat vartmaan mein India ki to kya world ki No. 1 caste hai. Haryana ho, West U. P. ho, Rajasthan ho ya Punjab ho, Jato ka kasutta jor hai yaha. Pichhle dino jab Tiqait ne Mayavati ko sareaam chamaari kah diya tha to C.M. hone ke baavjood wo Tiqait ka baal bhi baanka nahi kar saki thi, lekin jab Rita Bahuguna ne Mayavati ko kuchh kah diya tha to Mayavati ne usska ghar fukwa diya tha. Adhiktar jat theek-thaak shaan se jee rahe hai. Haa ye baat theek hai ki jaisa desh, vaisa bhesh.


वैसे आप का पोस्ट पढ़ कर एक उत्सुकता हुयी.... यो caste सिस्टम सिर्फ इंडिया में इ सुना था.... दुनिया के किसी और भी देश में है के... बतइयो खोल के ...

एर कौन सी agency ने "जाट नंबर वन कास्ट" का खिताब दिया ..... या फिर नंबर वन हरियाणा आला सौदा स यो भी.... बाकी है तो गर्व की बात अगर नंबर वन की खिताब जीत लिया तो..... जाट एकता जिंदाबाद....
 
Choodhe-chamaar reservation ka laabh lekar bhaari sankhya mein sarkaari naukariyon mein ghus jayenge. Aise mein yadi kisi baat par jat apna virodh jataane ke liye ikatthe hovenge to choodhe-chamaaro ke haatho maar khavenge kyonki Chahal jaise bhaiyo ki baat maankar hum reservation lenge nahi aur fir para-military force mein bhaari sankhya mein bharti choodhe-chamaaron ke haathon maar khayenge. Isse badhiya ho ki chalaaki se kaam lein aur police, para-military force etc. mein resevation ka laabh lekar jyada se jyada sankhya mein bharti ho. Rajasthan mein pichhle dino gurjaro ko isliye apne 80-90 log khone pade the, kyonki jab we pradarshan kar rahe the to police ne un par dhava bol diya aur police afsar meena tha aur police ke adhikatar jawan bhi meena the. Bhai Chahal agar Lion ki tarah jeena hai to chalaaki se kaam lena padega nahi to shero ka shikaar karne ke chakkar mein bahut se ghoom rahe hai.

bhai yahi difference hai JAAT ar GUJJAR MA...........
jo rajasthan ma gujjar ki jagah jaat hote to MEENA'S ki himat na padati kisi ka hath laane ki.......
CH. TIKAIT SINGH KA EXAMPLE APNE KHUD DE DIYA HAI.....

ar bhai iska reason nu na hai ki JAAt physically CHOODE-CHAMAR te strong hai........but wo log MENTALLY DARAA HAI JAATON TE......ya yun kah le jaatan ne apne te bada lava hai CHOODE-CHAMAR........
par bhai OBC ma aane te wo humna apne jaisa sajhan laag ja ge........ar bhai fer jarur pitya karenge jaata ne........

ar bhai bina reservation bhi ghane jaat hai saari PARA-MILITARY FORECS.....JAAT BATALIYAN to sunya hi hoga bhai tane......
Chahal agar Lion ki tarah jeena hai to chalaaki se kaam lena padega nahi to shero ka shikaar karne ke chakkar mein bahut se ghoom rahe hai.

bhai LION ne chalaki te kaam ni lena padta.....CHAALAKI te to LOMADI kaam liya kara......LION to jo kuch kara sabke saamne kara......ar khul ka kara.........tabhi log LION KE SATH COMPARISON KARTE HAI......NA KI LOMADI TE....
TO BHAI SHER HO AR SHER RAHO.......LOMAAD KI TARAH JINE MA KUCH NA DHARYA.......
 
वैसे आप का पोस्ट पढ़ कर एक उत्सुकता हुयी.... यो caste सिस्टम सिर्फ इंडिया में इ सुना था.... दुनिया के किसी और भी देश में है के... बतइयो खोल के ...

एर कौन सी agency ने "जाट नंबर वन कास्ट" का खिताब दिया ..... या फिर नंबर वन हरियाणा आला सौदा स यो भी.... बाकी है तो गर्व की बात अगर नंबर वन की खिताब जीत लिया तो..... जाट एकता जिंदाबाद....

Bhai, yo caste system sari duniya mein hi hai. Christians mein Cotholic aur Protestants mein joota baaje hai, Musalmaano mein Shiya, Sunni, Pathan aapas mein shreshthta ki jang lade hai. USA jaise desh mein bhi habshiya gaila gore aadmiya ka joot bajya rah hai. China mein bhi maamla kuchh jyada alag na hai.
Bhai, rahi baat jato ke no. 1 hone ki to sun le baat. Jato mein Satpal, Sushil jaise pehlwan, Dara Singh jaise balshali, Sehwag jaise batsman, K. P. Singh jaise businessman (World's no. 1 Real Estate Developer some time back and 8th in Forbes' Billionaires' list), Ch. Charan Singh, Devi Lal jaise neta, Haryana, West U. P., Punjab jaise upjaao illake, Dharmender, Sunny jaise kalakaar to hai hi, saath hi bahadur hum (jat regiment aur shandaar itihaas), pahalwan hum, sundar-healthy hum, kissan hum, ameer hum (Haryana No. 1 in Per Capita Income after Delhi and Goa (both cities, not state) and in having most rural carorepatis), Bhai jab tak koi aur caste itni khubio wali nahi dikhti, ham bilkul no. 1 hai. Haqeekat baat to ya hai ki Shri Krishna Ji bhi jato mein hi paida hue the. Shivji ko to sab jaante hi hai.
 
Yudhvir,

Just you asked here why cant we demand for ST Quota,,how could you speak with out any logic ..dont you know there is some criteria for ST and OBC caste. People who are well establish they will not get reservation as they will come under creamy layer.
Why you wory about you , you enjoy where you are?. Why you opposing it for the people who don’t have enough money to send their children to good school.

Criteria is dynamic entity, they keep on changing with time. When we are asking for reservation, then let’s ask for something so that we grab the maximum share.. FYI, People in creamy layer are enjoying reservation and they are the real beneficiaries.
Now let’s come to my worry, I am worried because I know that we are just trying to shift the focus of our young generation to something very shallow.
Even I didn't understand why you are championing this cause from the top of the roof.. Until and unless u are seeing some personal benefits out of this..

I want every jat to be competitive, focussed and with little bit of common sense.. and I'll oppose all moves to deprive them from transparent system.

Let me conclude, Haryana jats will never opt for reservation and in coming years they will be the mouthpiece of jats across the world.
 
The desease of reservation must be cured as early as possible, but brothers, since majority of our population is enjoying some benifits of the reseration & our leaders are very very selfish, the policy of reservation cannot be withdrawn/amended so easily & there fore I strongly recommend reservation for jats and even other left over communities. If jats demmand reservation, other communities will certainly demmand which may not be possible & our leaders will be forced to rethink on the subject.
sir if this is the motive behind demanding reservation then i will also try to convince people of all general category to support this nobel cause........
but i am afraid sir, this is not true......

Also when other equally placed communities such as yadavas, malies etc are enjoying the facility why not jats. regards

but sir this should not be the reason, which i thought is.
sir u should encourage youngsters to eradicate this sin from our country.........do not appeal them to become a part of this sin......
it will ruin the JAAT community self-confidence and prestige......
what will we tell our coming generations; that Jaat are cowards, weak....
instead of competing with best people, we lost our people in battle for RESERVATION........DO U THINK THAT THIS WILL BRING PRIDE TO OUR COMMUNITY......
 
bhai yahi difference hai JAAT ar GUJJAR MA...........
jo rajasthan ma gujjar ki jagah jaat hote to MEENA'S ki himat na padati kisi ka hath laane ki.......
CH. TIKAIT SINGH KA EXAMPLE APNE KHUD DE DIYA HAI.....

ar bhai iska reason nu na hai ki JAAt physically CHOODE-CHAMAR te strong hai........but wo log MENTALLY DARAA HAI JAATON TE......ya yun kah le jaatan ne apne te bada lava hai CHOODE-CHAMAR........
par bhai OBC ma aane te wo humna apne jaisa sajhan laag ja ge........ar bhai fer jarur pitya karenge jaata ne........

ar bhai bina reservation bhi ghane jaat hai saari PARA-MILITARY FORECS.....JAAT BATALIYAN to sunya hi hoga bhai tane......

Jato aur gujjaro mein yo difference isiliye hai ki Rajasthan mein reservation ke kaaran bhaari sankhya mein sarkaari naukariyon mein jat hai. Gujjaro ne isiliye to pradarshan kiya tha ki jat jyada naukari le ja rahe hai. Jato ko OBC ka darja koi kal-parson se nahi mila hua hai, balki kai saal se mila hua hai. Baat maani ki ghane jat hai para-military forces mein, lekin bhavishya ko aur surakshit karne mein kya dikkat hai.
Sher agar bahaduri ke sath-sath lomdi jaisi chalaaki bhi apna le to fir wo uss sher se behtar hoga, jo kewal bahadur hai.
OBC ya ST etc. mein aane ke karan Jato ko choode-chamaaro jaisa nahi, balki kafi asardar aur chalaak mana ja raha hai. Yahi karan hai ki Thakur aur Bahman vagarah bhi reservation lene ke chakkar mein hai, lekin kyonki ye ekjut nahi hai, na hi inka kahi jyada jor hai, isliye shayad inke baski baat na hai. Jato ko to reservation BJP ki sarkar ne kai saal pahle isliye diya tha, kyonki Jato ne BJP ke danda kiya tha ki aarakshan dena padega.
 
बहुत बहुत धन्यवाद भाईसाब.... बहुत सी बातें आप ने ऐसी बताई जिन की तरफ कभी ध्यान ही नहीं गया था..... प्लीज़ कीप राईटिंग ...

bhai, yo caste system sari duniya mein hi hai. Christians mein cotholic aur protestants mein joota baaje hai, musalmaano mein shiya, sunni, pathan aapas mein shreshthta ki jang lade hai. Usa jaise desh mein bhi habshiya gaila gore aadmiya ka joot bajya rah hai. China mein bhi maamla kuchh jyada alag na hai.
Bhai, rahi baat jato ke no. 1 hone ki to sun le baat. Jato mein satpal, sushil jaise pehlwan, dara singh jaise balshali, sehwag jaise batsman, k. P. Singh jaise businessman (world's no. 1 real estate developer some time back and 8th in forbes' billionaires' list), ch. Charan singh, devi lal jaise neta, haryana, west u. P., punjab jaise upjaao illake, dharmender, sunny jaise kalakaar to hai hi, saath hi bahadur hum (jat regiment aur shandaar itihaas), pahalwan hum, sundar-healthy hum, kissan hum, ameer hum (haryana no. 1 in per capita income after delhi and goa (both cities, not state) and in having most rural carorepatis), bhai jab tak koi aur caste itni khubio wali nahi dikhti, ham bilkul no. 1 hai. Haqeekat baat to ya hai ki shri krishna ji bhi jato mein hi paida hue the. Shivji ko to sab jaante hi hai.
 
Jat reservation supporters and the luminaries who are leading this event for years now shall think on the lines of roadblocking, enetering parliament over 'creating more resources[jobs, seats in IIT, IIMs] than to indulge in apparantly uncussessful demonstrations. This is also a plausible fact that it could be achieved without political partys involement. Advertising about this upcoming event appears merely a ego booster rather than stuffy appeal.
 
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