Aarakshan ko dilli gherenge Jat

[annch]

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no anju, you are not got getting point......ye log hamara bhala chahate hai........ye chahate hai ki hum bina padhe-likhe IAS ban jaye..........IIT me admission le.......and when someone will ask why the country is not progressing then again these will be the first people to point out that our politicians and bureacrats are not so efficient...


i cannt believe that people could be selfish............and then they make comparison with UK,USA.....

 

[daivischahal]

Dear Yudhvir, though, I am not in favour of reservation to anybody, but still for your information few lines on your posting. please excuse me for not agreeing to your point because these are few km away from ground reality. Brother, please see on ground & ask those people who are about 80 years old or more about the state of dalits 60 years back & now economically, socially & politically.

yes sir u r again right.......2 dalits if my village are POLICE INSPECTORS.....
but they are just 0.1% of the total dalit population in my village.......baki sab ki condition waisi hi hai jaisi pahle thi.......this is what reservation do......benefit only a negligible percentage of people......and believe me if jaat become OBC then i will be among those who will ENJOY RESERVATION......but what about those on the behalf of whose we are demanding reservation....

Dear, earlier, dalits used to prefer jats in comperision to yadav/malies/gujjars but today dalits consider these communities more closer to them than jats because they are also getting reseration .Fronkly speaking jats have been singled out politically today & even socially also.

u wanna say that to get close to dalits or other backward castes we should get reservation.......
this is 2nd major reason behind reservation......these jaat leaders demanding reservation wanna impress dalits that LOOK WE ARE ALSO LIKE, WE ARE ALSO BACKWARD....SO VOTE FOR US.......

thats why they are demanding reservation.......to increase their vote bank.....

 

[fateh]

Dear Sandeep, niether I am politician nor I need reservation for my children, they both are well settled. secondly, these are my personal views that dalits were mainly responsible for their weak condition earlier & if some of them remain weak, it is again due to not working hard. my openion is quality, characterstics, traits of community doesnot change by reservation. I still feel condition of dalits imprcved lot but not entirely by reseration, but it has contributed in the progress. Thirdly I donot want show to obc friends that we are with them and wants their votes. sandeep you may be lucky to get some good job and you will get benifit of reservation also if we get it but eery body cannot be sandeep. Any way dear you may be right in your thoughts & I am right at my stand. regards

 

[daivischahal]

Dear Sandeep, niether I am politician nor I need reservation for my children, they both are well settled. secondly, these are my personal views that dalits were mainly responsible for their weak condition earlier & if some of them remain weak, it is again due to not working hard. my openion is quality, characterstics, traits of community doesnot change by reservation. I still feel condition of dalits imprcved lot but not entirely by reseration, but it has contributed in the progress. Thirdly I donot want show to obc friends that we are with them and wants their votes. sandeep you may be lucky to get some good job and you will get benifit of reservation also if we get it but eery body cannot be sandeep. Any way dear you may be right in your thoughts & I am right at my stand. regards

no sir i didnot say that u r a politician and i also know that u donot need it.....i just highlight the point POINTED by you......
and sir i did not get job luck .........i work a lot to get this job.....
but sir just tell me why everybody cannot work like me......not necessarily in study......there are so many fields........
my elder brother is a farmer......and he earn much more than me.......but he also work a lot.......and not he but every jaat of my village, who is in agriculture, works very hard.......and they never said that they need reservation.......
but the reserved category people there thinking is completely different......unhe bas 2 waqt ki roti ka jugaad karna hota hai....is-se aage wo sochate hi nahi......because this bloody reservation does not let them think.......believe me sir,nikamma bna deta hai ye reservation.......

 

[fateh]

Dear Yudhveer, your recommendation are absolutely right & nobody can object but dear my point is that there is no visible disadvantage of reseration except it may effect some of our yougth negatively for which we should educate them. Any way I am for the good of the community reservation or no reservation & I am realy very happy to read views of some of our young brothers with ful concern for the community. Weldon, keep it up. Brother there is no substitute to education & unity.

 

[khatkar]

तीन चार साल पहले कभी कभी मेरे मन में भी ख्याल आता था की शायद ये Reservation हो जाए तो शायद सरकारी नौकरी आसानी से मिल जाए.
लेकिन फिर लगा की इस तरह सरकारी नौकरी मिल भी जाए तो शायद पूरी जिंदगी ऐसा लगेगा की ये नौकरी मुझे नहीं इस Reservation को मिली है.
ऐसा लगेगा की भले ही थोडा सा लेकिन गिरना तो पड़ा ही है इस नौकरी के लिए. फिर उसके बाद कभी शायद सीसे में देख के अपने आपको खुल के जाट नहीं कह पायेंगे.
ऐसी नौकरी से तो गाँव में मेहनत करके कमाना खाना ज्यादा बेहतर होगा. क्योकि "जाट' कहलाना हमे ऐसी नौकरी से कहीं ज्यादा प्यारा है.
फिर ऊपर वाले के आशीर्वाद से और थोड़ी मेहनत से ३/४ साल में जैसे तैसे सरकारी नौकरी मिल ही गयी मुझे. PSU me AAI me ATC Officer &
GENERAL Category में


But now I feel so happy of being "GENERAL" because "Actual Picture" came after that.

(1) You can be IAS/IFS/ACP etc etc but you can never be a part of respect with this tag of Reservation.

(2) Just after joining there was like a grouping in our org on the basis of Category
SC & STs are friends among them...OBCs are friends among OBCs
But General are having friends from whole of the organization.

(3) In todays world if you wanna grow then you need NAME & RESPECT which make your GOODWILL, MARKETVALUE, INTERACTION, SOCIAL STATUS & CREDIT VALUE & TRUST etc etc etc

सरकारी नौकरी या आईएस का Status आज ke टाइम मी कोई बड़ी बात नहीं.
केवल सरकारी नौकरी से आज के ज़माने में कोई ख़ास तरक्की या मुकाम हासिल नहीं किया जा सकता.

IAS bhi koi bhagwaan nahi hai yaar.

I ask you all
How many IAS offcers you know who have made significant contribution to our country. They are just the part of a Machinary. Every year around 350 used to be selected but if you will try to count only 9/10 only u wud b able to count by names.
But U will count innumerable names who got an elite status & contributed to nation's growth significantly & who r not IAS or PhD holders & most of them r from General Category.

जिस दिन खुल के Reservation का नाम लेना छोड़ देंगे उसी दिन से देख लेना जाटों की तरक्की कोई भी नहीं रोक सकता.
We are talented & hardworker.

Jats can ignite the issue & can fix the problem of Reservation which whole INDIA is facing now a days.
Kuchh desh ke liye bhi socho yaar. It will make us proud ..really..

Rahul bhai , jatland per pehli bar dekah hai jisne kuch karne ke bad jawab diya.

Highly impressive.

 

[khatkar]

It took me some time to go through all the posts. I agree with Youdhvir Mor, Raj Phougat, Anil Sangwan and Sukrampal.
Instead of reservation why not increase the competitive qualifications of Jats. I doubt many Jats fail in written exam, they may not score high in comprehensive exam where essay is written, critical analysis questions must be answered. I can tell you from my 'little' personal experience our Jat boys in most cases can't even exude confidence in interview. If I am not wrong, IAS/IPS interview process is pretty extensive and thats where rubber meets the road. That's the time when your true self should be visible to impress the interview board. Ask for job don't beg for job.


Remember Winners get a hand shake from his employer with broad welcoming smile, loser is shown the door with promise---you will hear from us soon.

Get some professional training help. Some members will call Punjabi's as refugees that is very ignorant. Look at them how much money they spent in professional training help. Name calling will not get anyone a better job but sure will make that person bitter and disappointed.

Here are some issues we need to deal with.....
1. Fluency in English (no translation of thoughts from haryanvi to hindi to english)
2. Take another language for example German, Spanish it may be added burden for some but sure as hell it will brighten your prospects in interview process. It shows diligence, adventurous spirit, think outside the box. You may be given a position because they need someone with your skill set and linguistic abilities.
German and Spanish are very easy to learn if you are proficient in Hindi/Sanskirt Grammar. Their Grammar and our Grammar is identical. Russian is little difficult, mandarin is the most difficult language to learn. Arabic is another good language to learn. Learn these languages not for the sake of certificate but full conversational fluency. Russian and Arabic can get you very decent jobs in Intelligence work, German and Spanish can get you very good job in international business.

You should be able to write an essay without any errors
3. Why settle for just IPS/IAS best opportunities are in IFS (Indian Foreign Service). You are far removed from Rishteydaar obligations, have better education for your children, travel the world, scout business opportunities, make international contacts.

Those few who want to be land owners and believe in Kisan Culture emigrate to Canada, hell Punjab key Kisan used that category to move to Canada, owned land and became prosperous farmers. Canadian Gov't even subsidized alot for them. Don't know if that is still open or not.

We need to break from the shackles of Reservation in Gov't jobs, myopic view of living life in the same town where we were born and grew up. Information Technology is not the panacea of great career and prosperity. The future belongs to learning another language like Mandarin, Spanish, German, Brazilian Portugees.

I will go beyond mere talk, I will write a resume for qualified people with some experience in IT field.

Very true sir , we need the paradigm shift.


In African countries, Egpyt and Vietnam such farming opportunities are available, even Indian govt. also helping to get farming land there.

For those who want to be here in India, there is mini jatland in Sitapur -Hardoi ( My close relatives are many of them ) district of UP & district of Chattisgarh.Fertile land with suffice water level is almost 10 times cheaper to our agriculture land.( please don’t imagine me property dealer , all just I am trying here to aware my community to look for these options also which I consider my duty too.).

 

[daivischahal]

Respected Kharab ji.....
just want to correct some points in ur summary........

OK Friends ...

Stands are clear ...

Anti Reservationist argue we should not demand otherwise..

1 people will stop loving Jats

its not LOVE.....its PRIDE,HONOUR,PRESTIGE.....

2 we will be treated weak if we show our strength and get reservation .

we will be treated weak and coward for demanding reservation......not in showing strength.......strength should be shown in achieving something good, take our community forward and not in demanding reservation.....

3 Every Jat student instead of getting additional hope will start reading less and turn lethargic.

the only right thing pointed by u....

4 Some have done little detective job also and came to know that these people who are raising this demand wants to get benefits ....so only all this exercise..

no body employed an spy agency to know this......its a clear fact that who will eat the fruit of RESERVATION......

People in favour just point out that when other similar farming communities are given reservation why Jats are being discriminated ??and on What basis ??

now jaat want to know why they are discriminated from RESERVED or BACKWARD CASTES....
yes u r right.....now we should start compare HINDUSTAN WITH NEPAL,BANGLADESH,NIGERIA and not with US,UK,JAPAN.....because if we will compare with the LATTER'S then we would also try to become developed like them.......and it is not required at all......

Mandal Commission gave the basis of this discrimination stating 'Though Jats deserve reservation at par with other communities as they are equally placed but their leaders are against this' .

the only thing that we DESERVE........great.....
till now i only heard that SOMEBODY DESERVE FIRST POSTION OR A BETTER JOB.........but jaat deserve the vice-versa........

One fails to understand Why Mandal withdrew these recommendation if Jats were really entitled to it ???Was it not an unjustice to entire Jat community??

I am seeing same conspiracy even today ...Though Reservation rally of Meerut was announced long back ,Ajit Singh announced a rally for Harit Pardesh on the same day just to scuttle this exercise.Some of these foreign returned or still foreigners are trying their best even today.They will use every cheap trick to scuttle this process and once this opportunity gone they will sit peacefully and enjoy their luxuries.

definitely sir.......there is a very big conspiracy.......
because people demanding reservation do not want other jaat to come forward and do the best......because then they will get more competitor.....they just want to confine them ........by giving them the lolypop of reservation......they want to make their THINKING BACKWARD....

wo haathi wali story to apne suni hogi sir.....
jab hathi chhota hai to uske taang(leg) par ek lohe ke chain bandh di jaati.....us waqt hathi me iti power nahi hoti ki use tod sake........
lekin bada hone par bhi hathi us chain ko nahi tod pata......kyonki wo menatlly pahle hi haar chuka hota hai........fir kabhi koshish hi nahi karta........

Backward ghoshit hone par jaaton ke sath bhi wahi hoga......dimag me bas ek hi baat rahegi.......hum backward hai......hum backward hai......
or yahi ye log chahate hai.........

 

[rajkphogat]

Rahul bhai , jatland per pehli bar dekah hai jisne kuch karne ke bad jawab diya.

Highly impressive.

This is just a tip of iceberg bhai

bahut se aise jaat hai jo JL pe nahi hain ya Net use nahi kartey.

Bhai fauj me kunsa kota hai fer bhi jaatan ka dadaba hai usme.

Er bhai hum Akhil Kumar, Vijender er Sushil Kumar ne kyoo bhuljanwaa sa isi infra., innehe gaame me te wo kaam kar diya jo aajtak koye nahi kar paya.

Reservation is just an excuse of failure.

 

[daivischahal]

This is just a tip of iceberg bhai

bahut se aise jaat hai jo JL pe nahi hain ya Net use nahi kartey.

Bhai fauj me kunsa kota hai fer bhi jaatan ka dadaba hai usme.

Er bhai hum Akhil Kumar, Vijender er Sushil Kumar ne kyoo bhuljanwaa sa isi infra., innehe gaame me te wo kaam kar diya jo aajtak koye nahi kar paya.

Reservation is just an excuse of failure.

bhai OBC ma aane pachha to humna nu kahna padya karega ki bhai hum to reserved category waale hai......to bhai pakistanio ya americio tham bhi apne RESERVED CATEGORY waale bhejo.......hum to fer khelaa ge.........

 

[arvind1069]

we are against any reservations for any community.
it will only divide people

 

[raka]

तीन चार साल पहले कभी कभी मेरे मन में भी ख्याल आता था की शायद ये Reservation हो जाए तो शायद सरकारी नौकरी आसानी से मिल जाए.
लेकिन फिर लगा की इस तरह सरकारी नौकरी मिल भी जाए तो शायद पूरी जिंदगी ऐसा लगेगा की ये नौकरी मुझे नहीं इस Reservation को मिली है.
ऐसा लगेगा की भले ही थोडा सा लेकिन गिरना तो पड़ा ही है इस नौकरी के लिए. फिर उसके बाद कभी शायद सीसे में देख के अपने आपको खुल के जाट नहीं कह पायेंगे.
ऐसी नौकरी से तो गाँव में मेहनत करके कमाना खाना ज्यादा बेहतर होगा. क्योकि "जाट' कहलाना हमे ऐसी नौकरी से कहीं ज्यादा प्यारा है.
फिर ऊपर वाले के आशीर्वाद से और थोड़ी मेहनत से ३/४ साल में जैसे तैसे सरकारी नौकरी मिल ही गयी मुझे. PSU me AAI me ATC Officer &
GENERAL Category में


But now I feel so happy of being "GENERAL" because "Actual Picture" came after that.

(1) You can be IAS/IFS/ACP etc etc but you can never be a part of respect with this tag of Reservation.

(2) Just after joining there was like a grouping in our org on the basis of Category
SC & STs are friends among them...OBCs are friends among OBCs
But General are having friends from whole of the organization.

(3) In todays world if you wanna grow then you need NAME & RESPECT which make your GOODWILL, MARKETVALUE, INTERACTION, SOCIAL STATUS & CREDIT VALUE & TRUST etc etc etc

सरकारी नौकरी या आईएस का Status आज ke टाइम मी कोई बड़ी बात नहीं.
केवल सरकारी नौकरी से आज के ज़माने में कोई ख़ास तरक्की या मुकाम हासिल नहीं किया जा सकता.

IAS bhi koi bhagwaan nahi hai yaar.

I ask you all
How many IAS offcers you know who have made significant contribution to our country. They are just the part of a Machinary. Every year around 350 used to be selected but if you will try to count only 9/10 only u wud b able to count by names.
But U will count innumerable names who got an elite status & contributed to nation's growth significantly & who r not IAS or PhD holders & most of them r from General Category.

जिस दिन खुल के Reservation का नाम लेना छोड़ देंगे उसी दिन से देख लेना जाटों की तरक्की कोई भी नहीं रोक सकता.
We are talented & hardworker.

Jats can ignite the issue & can fix the problem of Reservation which whole INDIA is facing now a days.
Kuchh desh ke liye bhi socho yaar. It will make us proud ..really..

bhaisaab yo bhagwaan kun s ????
UP ki CM (raja) chamari s , fer to bhai UP k jatta n faanssi khaaa leni chahiye ek chamari ki praja banan ta achha to

 

[raka]

bhai OBC ma aane pachha to humna nu kahna padya karega ki bhai hum to reserved category waale hai......to bhai pakistanio ya americio tham bhi apne RESERVED CATEGORY waale bhejo.......hum to fer khelaa ge.........

baat to gyaaan ki s ........
log jatta pe joke banawe s ak jatt bawle ho s par eb yakin hogyaa naa jatt shyaan ho s gyaan ki baat bhi jaane s

 

[raka]

we are against any reservations for any community.
it will only divide people

achhaaaa chaachaa Nehru ebe jidaaa s

 

[rajkphogat]

achhaaaa chaachaa Nehru ebe jidaaa s

Sirji aaj te karde hoki aaye so sabne dhon lagre so bina saban ragad-2 ki.....

 

[daivischahal]

baat to gyaaan ki s ........
log jatta pe joke banawe s ak jatt bawle ho s par eb yakin hogyaa naa jatt shyaan ho s gyaan ki baat bhi jaane s

kati sahi farmaya sangwaan saab.....ib to jaat itne shyaane ar chalaak hoge ki bhikh bi maangni shuru kar di........itne samjhdar hoge ki unha bera paat gya ki CHOODE-CHAMAR ekale hi reservation ka maja le re hai.......to kyun na hum bhi un jaisa ban ja.......kam te kam kaam to na karna padaga.......

 

[daivischahal]

bhaisaab yo bhagwaan kun s ????

maan ge sangwan saab........itni badi post padh ka jo question aapne bujya hai uska to koi jawaab hi nahi....maan ge..........

UP ki CM (raja) chamari s , fer to bhai UP k jatta n faanssi khaaa leni chahiye ek chamari ki praja banan ta achha to

bhai raja ni RANI....par koi baat na bhai tu dimaag ma faltu jor mat diye......
par bhai yo jo apne likhya hai, yo is thread te kis tarah related hai, ispa thodi roshani dalne ka kasht jarur kariyo........
par bhai dikhe dimaag pa jayda jor mat diye.......hum to teri post dekhte hi sab kuch samajh ja sai ki bhai SANGWAAN SAAB ne koi gajab ki baat hi likhi hogi.....

 

[upendersingh]

bhaisaab yo bhagwaan kun s ????
UP ki CM (raja) chamari s , fer to bhai UP k jatta n faanssi khaaa leni chahiye ek chamari ki praja banan ta achha to

Saangwan sahab, nu to sare bhartiyon ko hi doob ke mar jana chahiye, kyonki unhone ek refugee (bahar ke) sardar ko apne desh ka malik banaya hua hai aur isse bhi buri baat ye ki wo sardar jiske ishare par kaam kare hai, wo ek firangan hai.

 

[fateh]

no sir i didnot say that u r a politician and i also know that u donot need it.....i just highlight the point POINTED by you......
and sir i did not get job luck .........i work a lot to get this job.....
but sir just tell me why everybody cannot work like me......not necessarily in study......there are so many fields........
my elder brother is a farmer......and he earn much more than me.......but he also work a lot.......and not he but every jaat of my village, who is in agriculture, works very hard.......and they never said that they need reservation.......
but the reserved category people there thinking is completely different......unhe bas 2 waqt ki roti ka jugaad karna hota hai....is-se aage wo sochate hi nahi......because this bloody reservation does not let them think.......believe me sir,nikamma bna deta hai ye reservation.......

Dear Sandeep, Thanks for clearifying certyain points. Brother, I fully agree with you that every jat must work hard & help himself rather than waiting for help from govt etc. But dear we shouldnot forget that all are not equal in thinking, physic, nature, resources, bringingup, opportunities etc & even God has made every body different. Believe me dear many people including jats, work much harder than people of your village but still their economical condition may not be as good as the people of your village, but certainly I support your positive thinking. Brother, if you read my post on the subject carefully, you must have noticed that in my opening sentence I said very clearly that I am totally against the reservation to any community & also I desired that this desease must be cured at the earliest. but certainly I support reservation for jats as long as it remains for other similarly placed communities. I am also little apprehensive about negative effect of reservation on our youngesters, otherwise there seems to be no harm. Brother, some of our friends know that from my college days, I was very vocal & worked against reservation & Dowary, as a general secetary of first Haryan students union, I shared my above views with many students of various institutions of the state. Also when got married, I managed day marriage, total of four hours at their place, no item of any kind was taken & only one rupee was taken as sagan. So brother it is not personal, but under present cercumstances in the country, I feel we should get all benifits for the community whether good educational facilities, water, communications, power, health facilities, jobs, inferastracture, industries etc. Also dear, I had been advocating for last many years for our people to go for business like patels of Gujarat have done. Brother, not only me, any sensible jat will support suggestions given by you & Yudhveer. I request to all brothers to work for Education & unity of the community.regards

 

[crsnadar]

bhaisaab yo bhagwaan kun s ????
UP ki CM (raja) chamari s , fer to bhai UP k jatta n faanssi khaaa leni chahiye ek chamari ki praja banan ta achha to

SirJi Namaste,

Waise aap thoda gaur se dekhnege to aapko ehsaas hoga ki..

Aapke words ne hi ye prove kar diya hai ki Reserved category se insaan kuchh bhi ban jaaye ..uski koi izzat nahi hoti..jaise ke aap UP ki CM ki nahi kar rahe ho.
Aisa hi hota hai INDIA me.