Should Prostitution be Legalised?

[rajkphogat]

Bhai legalise karne aur encourage karne main bahut difference hota hai. Aur police ka darr? Yeh to police ki naak ke neeche kaam karte hain khulle aam. Police aur neta paisa peette hain jama. Ghar ke paas fir bhi possible nahin hoga. Any law would need to have "zoning restrictions", which would restrict the location to existing red light areas.

Bhai Legal kar diya te encouragement e hogya. Eb police ki naak k nichhe howe se fer sabkey sir pe howega.


Bhai yeh sanskriti kahaan jaati hai jab abhi sab khulle aam hota hai? Sanskriti sirf legal karne se bigad jaagi? Agar yeh sanskriti pe dhabba hai to khatam karro jad se. Kai hazaar saal to ho liye isse isi sanskriti mein rehte hue (earliest civilizations' documents mention prostitution.)

Bhai khulley aam k howe se prostituion kunsey gaam me howe se bhai manne bhi bata. Jad te khatam karan ka yo kunsa tarika bhai istey te jadd boowen aur gi.

 

[kapdal]

Very well said, especially this one.

Culture is dynamic entitiy and its bound to change so that it can survive. I think its changed thats why you or I are allowed to discuss these kind of senstive issues. ..

I wonder what Neelamji will think if a "culture" from 50-100 years back was imposed and she was not even allowed to go to school, forget about participating in a debate on prostitution.

 

[kapdal]

Bhai sahab, yeh thoda zyada ho gaya. Earth is as old as 4,400,000,000 yrs. Atleast let the life begin on earth (2,800,000,000 yr). And the first asexual organisms develop into sexual ones (570,000,000 yrs). Uske baad se hum aapki baat maan lete hain, halanki proper manas 300,000 yr se zyada purana nahin hai...

How Old is the profession: It is as old as the earth

 

[ranvijay]

What a great idea! Gays' aur lesbians' matters to aasaan kar hi diye aur ab ye naya great idea leke aaye hain. For sure Indian are having a new vision to make India a developed nation. Doesn't matter they copy other countries in other developments or not, doesn't matter they discuss n retain good culture here or not, but for sure they will give the relief to many to breathe openly. Bechare ghut-ghut ke jee rahe logon ko khuli hawa milegi.

Kuchh din baad to ye bhi legal kar denge ki jo bhi govt. officers jaise ki pakde gaye the (I think in Mumbai) with prostitutes wo ghar bhi laa sakenge ek do ko. Unki wives to kuchh kar hi nahin paayengi court mein khadi hoke bhi.

I think beggars should also be given due respect which they are not getting in actual and they should all be permitted to beg. No complaints to administrators of that region, or taking police-wala's help to get them removed from footpaths or disturbing the traffic at red light.

Also, I think eve-teasing should be made legal. Please think over it. As many people desire for that, enjoy it very much. Why govt. is not thinking for those people? Why only for prostitutes? Anyways, feels like they are more lucky. Don't worry, if anybody reading this....then I make u assure that govt. will make something legal for eve-teasers too. Huh!!....pathetic

Live n let other's live is applicable in every sense. No matter, let the values n culture go off.

But one great benefit that I can calculate from this is that no. of rape cases will get reduced. Superb idea!!

Neelam have u ever been to a red light area?

How many women u have met who live (rather die) down pathetically down these streets?

Do you hv ny idea what will b the consequences of legalising this system practically? What happens when its legalised?

Jumping onto conclusion without evaluation !

First of all to make it clear, if prostitution is legalised then it DOES NOT mean that u will see such things happening 'ghar ke bagal me' ! There will be set limitations & rules for everything. Red light area exist in every city, iilegally yet openly. Legalising means allowing such things to operate in certain areas, as per stipulated rules which will obviously include rules that will attend to the call of a sex worker who has been forcefully made to get into all this etc etc etc ....... there is a lots more !

 

[akshaymalik84]

In 1999,Sweden passed a legislation that
a) criminalizes the buying of sex, and
b) decriminalizes the selling of sex.

In just five years Sweden has dramatically reduced the number of its women in prostitution. In the capital city of Stockholm the number of women in street prostitution has been reduced by two thirds, and the number of johns has been reduced by 80%. There are other major Swedish cities where street prostitution has all but disappeared.In addition, the number of foreign women now being trafficked into Sweden for sex is nil. The Swedish government estimates that in the last few years only 200 to 400 women and girls have been annually sex trafficked into Sweden, a figure that's negligible compared to the 15,000 to 17,000 females yearly sex trafficked into neighbouring Finland. No other country, nor any other social experiment, has come anywhere near Sweden's promising results.

http://www.justicewomen.com/cj_sweden.html

 

[rajkphogat]

Neelam have u ever been to a red light area?

How many women u have met who live (rather die) down pathetically down these streets?

Do you hv ny idea what will b the consequences of legalising this system practically? What happens when its legalised?

Jumping onto conclusion without evaluation !

First of all to make it clear, if prostitution is legalised then it DOES NOT mean that u will see such things happening 'ghar ke bagal me' ! There will be set limitations & rules for everything. Red light area exist in every city, iilegally yet openly. Legalising means allowing such things to operate in certain areas, as per stipulated rules which will obviously include rules that will attend to the call of a sex worker who has been forcefully made to get into all this etc etc etc ....... there is a lots more !

Bhai Ranvijay tu bhot haandrya dikhe se red light area me, Samaj sevak te na se?

Now tell me e thing bhai Is this is the only way to help these sex workers ?

Do you think by legalising this no women will forcibly thrown into flesh tarde?

By legalising this Pimp, brothel owner etc will get a new tool to escape law and harras womens.
one of my freind say by legalising this sex workers will be saved from police harrasment, bhai harras te unne pimp er brothelowner karese er we log kare se jo isi jagah jawe se.

If legalised then So called modern society girls will get a legal source of income to finance their levish lifestyle Wo cheez kyoo bhullo so bhai.

 

[rajkphogat]

Bhai sahab, yeh thoda zyada ho gaya. Earth is as old as 4,400,000,000 yrs. Atleast let the life begin on earth (2,800,000,000 yr). And the first asexual organisms develop into sexual ones (570,000,000 yrs). Uske baad se hum aapki baat maan lete hain, halanki proper manas 300,000 yr se zyada purana nahin hai...

R yo data kit te lyaya bhai thik te se ne kadey kisey aagey bollu er bejti hoja bata diye galat ho te:rock:rock:rock

 

[yudhvirmor]

Bhai Ranvijay tu bhot haandrya dikhe se red light area me, Samaj sevak te na se?

Now tell me e thing bhai Is this is the only way to help these sex workers ?

Do you think by legalising this no women will forcibly thrown into flesh tarde?

By legalising this Pimp, brothel owner etc will get a new tool to escape law and harras womens.
one of my freind say by legalising this sex workers will be saved from police harrasment, bhai harras te unne pimp er brothelowner karese er we log kare se jo isi jagah jawe se.

If legalised then So called modern society girls will get a legal source of income to finance their levish lifestyle Wo cheez kyoo bhullo so bhai.

Its still there.. Just googe Gurgaon Escorts.. You'll find thousands of ads...I think we need to diffrentiate between Idealism and Practical Options. This thing can't be eradicated in day or two..

1. Improve Education, Heatlh services.
2. Overhaul Police, Adiminstration and Law agencies.
3. Kill evil practices like dowry, Pseudo Self Esteem and Female Foeticide
4. Put sex education as a subject in schools and make sure young minds understand they physiolgogical changes and they should know how to respond to them.
5. The we can think about Legalizing or Banning the prostitution.
We need to cut demand first than we can think of cutting down on supply. Just by banning it or punishing some people won't bring any results..

 

[rajkphogat]

Its still there.. Just googe Gurgaon Escorts.. You'll find thousands of ads...I think we need to diffrentiate between Idealism and Practical Options. This thing can't be eradicated in day or two..

1. Improve Education, Heatlh services.
2. Overhaul Police, Adiminstration and Law agencies.
3. Kill evil practices like dowry, Pseudo Self Esteem and Female Foeticide
4. Put sex education as a subject in schools and make sure young minds understand they physiolgogical changes and they should know how to respond to them.
5. The we can think about Legalizing or Banning the prostitution.
We need to cut demand first than we can think of cutting down on supply. Just by banning it or punishing some people won't bring any results..

That is the thing bhai which i want to say to you.

Legalising is not solution but a big problem. real thing which govt shuld do are which you told.

for immedite action: try to get sex workers into main stream by giving them some kind of vocational training & rehabilitate them
Get their childrens admitted into local schools.
put brothel owners & associated persons behind bar & sentence them max. punishment.

Par krega kaun hamari govt. to so rahi hai aur hame kisi se kya matlab JL pe 4 line likh do police ko galiyan do idhar udhar copy paste karo aur so jao.

 

[annch]

There is a docu-movie-"Born into Brothels". The story is of seven children born in the infamous Sonagachi in Calcutta. Intelligent, very talented but still facing strong resistance in their quest for knowledge.
The legalisation would improve the future of these children, who would get some semblance of opportunities and dignity (hopefully from rest of the society)

 

[shailendra]

...Underbelly subjects!

You know on a separate note and for what it is worth:
I get reminded of a parallel example - Dharavi is one of the biggest slums in Asia (or is it the world?)...and I, like I am sure quite some more of you, have closely tried to follow the process where such areas have been ear marked for numerous new governmental efforts of redevelopment, of creating and freely providing legal structures rather than illegal encroachments (by going ahead and building new homes, row-houses....apartments....multifamily structures) but somehow the conditions have never....ever....managed to get uplifted; squatters have left such redeveloped areas only to go back and continue from where they had left off..........something to do with how much the process of living in such backward/depressed areas is deeply addled and rooted into the mindset of a regular jhuggi dweller.............

Well, take what you may from that example....that is if one really wants to similarily start comparing some of the other social “problems” like Prostitution (and dare I even mention 377 or ‘Gay Rights’ here again???) and looking deeply into whether if a society like that with the Indian sub-continent sort of mindset would EVER undergo sea changes just by legalizing something that is always such a taboo deep under-belly subject…. (Or lifestyle)!

 

[kapdal]

There is a docu-movie-"Born into Brothels". The story is of seven children born in the infamous Sonagachi in Calcutta. Intelligent, very talented but still facing strong resistance in their quest for knowledge.
The legalisation would improve the future of these children, who would get some semblance of opportunities and dignity (hopefully from rest of the society)

And in the process, give them a career choice beyond the brothel. Currently, it is almost a compulsion for them. I can imagine that several would want to escape that life. Thus reducing prostitution, atleast the "not by choice" type.

 

[annch]

Shailendra ji,

I beg to differ slightly with the parallelism.

Like you said, Dharavi is a mindset. Its also a lifestyle that people find easy to maintain when given a choice between squalor and row houses, etc where they would pay for the amenities/facilities. They make a choice that suits them. Whereas prostitution starts as no-choice and ends with no-choices for majority of the women and children.

Regards

You know on a separate note and for what it is worth:
I get reminded of a parallel example - Dharavi is one of the biggest slums in Asia (or is it the world?)...and I, like I am sure quite some more of you, have closely tried to follow the process where such areas have been ear marked for numerous new governmental efforts of redevelopment, of creating and freely providing legal structures rather than illegal encroachments (by going ahead and building new homes, row-houses....apartments....multifamily structures) but somehow the conditions have never....ever....managed to get uplifted; squatters have left such redeveloped areas only to go back and continue from where they had left off..........something to do with how much the process of living in such backward/depressed areas is deeply addled and rooted into the mindset of a regular jhuggi dweller.............

Well, take what you may from that example....that is if one really wants to similarily start comparing some of the other social “problems” like Prostitution (and dare I even mention 377 or ‘Gay Rights’ here again???) and looking deeply into whether if a society like that with the Indian sub-continent sort of mindset would EVER undergo sea changes just by legalizing something that is always such a taboo deep under-belly subject…. (Or lifestyle)!

 

[poonam]

and looking deeply into whether if a society like that with the Indian sub-continent sort of mindset would EVER undergo sea changes just by legalizing something that is always such a taboo deep under-belly subject…. (Or lifestyle)!

Totally!
Also, the new changing 'modern' mindset is represented only by a minority group (I'm glad to say...or dare I say ...most of us here belong to that group..)...What about the vast (narrow n conventional mind set) group back there...Legalization would earn respect/dignity for the sex workers..I highly doubt that! But yeah..sex workers themselves can feel a lil' better i believe, at par.. job wise with others..paying taxes and all!

 

[annch]

Social workers?

Taking a cue from other posters on the thread-

Aren't these unfortunate women akin to social workers providing some "solace" to the "troubled" men in the society?

Might as well legalise them, and allow them to atleast make a decent earning, that otherwise goes into the pockets of police/mafia who provide them protection from "legal" repurcussions.......

These service providers to the frustrated men will always be there......so, will be the stigma from the very society that creates it.........legalisation will let these women and their families be compensated with money atleast if nothing else.

 

[poonam]

And in the process, give them a career choice beyond the brothel. .

What if they start considering brothel as a career option..after legalization!! Food for thought..

 

[poonam]

Having said that..I'm pro-legalization. Saaf saaf shabdo main..in case...

 

[shailendra]

Shailendra ji,

I beg to differ slightly with the parallelism.

Like you said, Dharavi is a mindset. Its also a lifestyle that people find easy to maintain when given a choice between squalor and row houses, etc where they would pay for the amenities/facilities. They make a choice that suits them. Whereas prostitution starts as no-choice and ends with no-choices for majority of the women and children.

Regards

Anju-ji (hey, what's with this whole 'ji' thingy??? )

...yeah, but don't you see that then "they" (in Dharavi) are ending up choosing something that is taking them back to the squalor? ...and the illegal, the unknown, and the repressed???... or maybe there is more to this that meets the simple eye (legalize/not-legalize) and is in fact a deadly, dirty nexus of the social underbelly that makes all the players in the mix, hooked (tied, chained) to some sort of evil cycle/circle?...

Prostitution too is likely the same "vicious circle" that legalization is not likely to make any inroads into 'sudhaaro-ing' the situation....
And also as to the 'starts as no-choice' thingy.... well, I don't really think the legalization is gonna help much those other folks that live constantly below the poverty line and/or sell their kids for maybe just a better one month of living (read: food).... It has been established for long now that the situation actually needs a bigger picture major change to really make a dent in the lives of these poor, "stuck" women...and their kids who may be aspiring for a better tomorrow.....

If one were to really take the same discussion about Prostitution and add the bigger gorilla in the room like.... health, aids, hygiene, epidemic, diseases, unawareness sort of issues....that I think would probably be the more relevant discussion and something that the concerned NGO's (n' these movies/docu-dramas) are anyways fighting for;..... something more relevant than worrying about givng them a 'legal' -Hey, I got a 'hot' job (no pun intended!) status per say....

 

[kapdal]

What if they start considering brothel as a career option..after legalization!! Food for thought..

Theoretically, that risk is there. Practically speaking, how many would feel encouraged to do something generally considered unacceptable (to self, family, society, etc.) just because it has been legalised? I admit it would be a non-zero number, but not significant. One has to balance that against the clear choice available to "opt out" to several, who otherwise have no choice. Besides, for those who want to get into this by choice, law is not a big deal anyways. They just pay "tax" to police/authorities and carry on.

 

[rajkphogat]

What if they start considering brothel as a career option..after legalization!! Food for thought..

Then childrens will hav another career option

Govt will get more Tax revenue

People who do not work can rent their premises for the said purpose.

Jo kaam ab chup kar bach bacha ke hota hai fir organised tarikey se hoga

That will be a win-2 situation for all associated

EB PET BHARGYA POONAM AUR ISEY THOUGHT KHAN NE NA DIYE.