Jitender Bhai,
1. You asked, "Bhai Kapil, will everyone will go medicre if reservation is abolished at all by this theory?". I am not sure why that should be the case? What do reservations achieve? They achieve significantly lesser competition. When the bar is set lower, you get trained to jump lower. Your own level is influenced by what/who you are competing against. If you are competing against everyone (in no reservation case), you have to attempt to jump as high as you can. If everyone attempts to jump as high as they can, then why would everyone go mediocre?
2. Why Meenas and not Yadavs? Because when I studied and observed this pattern for 7 good years, there was no reservation for OBCs in central educational institutes. Whatever Yadavs I came across were from general category. The evidence you provided for Haryana PMT was for admissions. Obviously, more Yadavs got admission because of reservations. Just like more Meenas get admission because of reservations. Do you have any evidence on how these Yadavs fared inside the college against general category students? And the trend towards mediocrity should be progressively increasing. As more and more members of a community start using reservations, there would be a peer effect. Meenas, after 60 years of reservation, symbolise this effect- they have become typecast into the "reserved" jobs. We can have short term gain for long term pain or vice versa.
Kapil, First thing is that we should compare the right. I very much agree to you when you say about Meena's. And believe me if Gujjars were included in this ST category you may have find better students from that category too. Agree? Same was the case with BC category in haryana, earlier there use to be lax people/students appearing and getting benefits. But now after the inclusion of Yadav's the fight became tough. And thus overall outcome of students in that category is much better than earlier. Means improvement?
Here is the data about haryana PMT BC category:
Within Marks Obtained from 899 to 882 no of yadavs this year were 10. (899,898,895,895,893,890,888,887,884,882)
a) Can you say that a candidate who is scoring just 18 nos less is too much less competant than any general category student scoring 900 marks???
b) What guess you can make about his performance through out his life?
c) Now you should also guess what all difference he could make to the upbringing and guidance (morally as well) to his family and extended family with relatives once he got admitted and become a doctor?
d) Also one should calculate what negative he has done to the present system?
Has he done anything wrong to the general candidates?
Who all he has outsted? (I think he has outsted the lax candidates than him who were appearing within BC category?
Is it wrong as they were not at all much lower in resources than him?
e) Did it overall increased the performance and thus will improve the system in long run bringing much better candidates through out?
f) Please bring out any single wrong with these 18 marks less candidates and much more number scoring candidates within the same category .... what all wrong this will do in long run if keeping them in this category is short sightedness?
Kya ye present scenerio mein sudhar nahi hai?
Now answering all the above questions .... one should ask all these questions .... what all will be the cases if Jats will be in under reserved category?
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Here I also wish to bring to your notice one my personal case .... one of my relative has taken obc benefit by registering in delhi, though they belong to haryana ... she was 3rd ranker in bhiwani board overall haryana in tenth. She got admitted to one of the premier medical college due to this OBC shadow .... sirf tinke ka sahra kafi tha .... one mark benefit .... She has outperformed in PG enterance and doing PG from best place in india and best chosen stream. I never found anything wrong or short sightedness that her parents did? I cant find anything wrong she will do in society?
Though I feel that if she has taken exams with Haryana resident stamp then she could have ended up at less grade medical college and thus would have harmed her performance.
When you say that after reservation the benefits will be taken by wrong people. Brother NO ... as described well by Sunil Lathwal in other thread .... if son of a jat peasant from village is benefitted in getting job in delhi police then it is not availed by wrong person. Neither he has snatched anything from more competant ... he has outsted the lax person of the same category. If you see what all changes this job will bring to his family .... would you still say its short sightedness?
In present scenerio there is nothing like reservation for needy .... its politics and no one can remove this nuisance ...
Also I dont find anything wrong if a Jat guy with 2 numbers less in PMT entrance got admitted due to this inclusion. May be his parents are teachers, clerks, police or any other govt job. I am also very much happy to see the other underlying benefits like less form fees etc. It is evident from Yadav case that their candidature increased because of these only. Morally they got a boost and you will be surprised to know that few candidates are from remote areas too .... and it is for sure that they wouldnt have succeeded if they would have been in general category. Whom they have given a cick .... are the ones like of their own background but little more lax than them.
