Pehle population control karao.Iss des me kuch na ho sakta.sab kim aisse hi chalega unplanned and uncontrolled.Yaha insaniyat ko gali di jati hei har roj aur politicians and executive khud is khilwad ka hissa hein.sabse badde gaier jimmedar to ye hein.Unmanagable nation hei ye des.Yaha aurat ko aisse hi badtamiji jhelni padegi.She has hardly any choice.She has to face dirty situation every where,be it home,roads,market place or office.there are pimps and idiots every where.Gandagi ke dher hein yaha.
Should Prostitution be Legalised?
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rajkphogat
Banned
Hahahahah............
Tu kit ka se Amrica ka. Er amrica me k cime against womens na hota???????
Feel proud to b n Indian. Er ab to bhut kuch ho raha hai, RTI hai, RTE, 33% reservation for ladies , 50 % in Muncipality, marrige assistance to girls of poor families etc. etc.. Bus jaroorat hai in cheezo ko use karney walo ki nahi to ye kagaz par hi reh jayengey.
Yes, But....
Dear All,
Laws and regulations are effective in societies that have a just system in upholding and implementing these for maintenance of law and order in letter and spirit. The need and presence of prostitutes in all societies from times immemorial can’t be negated or even questioned. I don’t know in how many countries prostitution is legalised. I just read somewhere that South Africa is trying to legalise prostitution before the soccer world cup, a direct reference to economic factor.
All those who study sociology argue that having prostitutes in society is a necessity. It has been an argument that if there were no prostitutes in society, then men would even rape their own sisters. I don’t know how far it is true but there are enough deprived souls in society, of all classes and economic dispensations, who need to discharge their frustrations in a brothel.
I don’t think that by legalising it in India we would see a lowering of crime rate against women or a girl child. No brothel can start; leave alone thrive, without the tacit sanction of law enforcing agencies. In fact in cities like Mumbai it is said that more than half the Beer Bars are owned by policemen or their relatives. We all know how the corrupt system thrives in our country.
However, if we were to somehow become law abiding citizens overnight, then legalising it may benefit those who may take it up as a profession. Probably only then, even we can have those cubicles along the road where prostitutes display themselves, as they do in Amsterdam (I haven’t been there but many of my NRI friends tell me). Imagine such legal displays in Gohana, Kharkhoda, Jhajjar, Sunpat and Rohtak.
Best regards,
JS Malik
Dear All,
Laws and regulations are effective in societies that have a just system in upholding and implementing these for maintenance of law and order in letter and spirit. The need and presence of prostitutes in all societies from times immemorial can’t be negated or even questioned. I don’t know in how many countries prostitution is legalised. I just read somewhere that South Africa is trying to legalise prostitution before the soccer world cup, a direct reference to economic factor.
All those who study sociology argue that having prostitutes in society is a necessity. It has been an argument that if there were no prostitutes in society, then men would even rape their own sisters. I don’t know how far it is true but there are enough deprived souls in society, of all classes and economic dispensations, who need to discharge their frustrations in a brothel.
I don’t think that by legalising it in India we would see a lowering of crime rate against women or a girl child. No brothel can start; leave alone thrive, without the tacit sanction of law enforcing agencies. In fact in cities like Mumbai it is said that more than half the Beer Bars are owned by policemen or their relatives. We all know how the corrupt system thrives in our country.
However, if we were to somehow become law abiding citizens overnight, then legalising it may benefit those who may take it up as a profession. Probably only then, even we can have those cubicles along the road where prostitutes display themselves, as they do in Amsterdam (I haven’t been there but many of my NRI friends tell me). Imagine such legal displays in Gohana, Kharkhoda, Jhajjar, Sunpat and Rohtak.
Best regards,
JS Malik
akshaymalik84
Active member
Is legalisation of prostitution is a corollary of Women enpowerment?
Some of us thinks.....womens are made only to be wives or prostitutes. You can't and shouldn't do anything to help them. Better leave them on their own.
To hell with that culture and society where a wife is forced to have sex without her will but it is not fine with society that a women earnig her living(legally) by staking her reputation on line.
Someone talked about daily wages, Rs 200 dhiyadi or something.....i would like to ask, if someone pays you more money than your daily wages, would you indulge in sex with any women or men? Kyun easy money hai....why not???(Sadak pe pada hua 100 ka note bhi to apna hi hota hai)........would you do it?......Nah....you have knoweledge/experiance/parents......almost everything to blow you out of this kind of situations........but what if these benefits doesn't exist for you?....."Jinda rahne insaan ka pahla Haq hai"....padha tha kahin baaki pata nahi how many of us are not afraid to die?
One more thing, if women/men are willing to have sex with more than one man/woman....then its ok...ITs not prostitution. Right? But it is called prostitution when one's living depends on it. Strange?.....oh, yes men are exception, they Run this world. Prostitution was a promotion of men in old times, so we got no one to blame.
Some of us thinks.....womens are made only to be wives or prostitutes. You can't and shouldn't do anything to help them. Better leave them on their own.
To hell with that culture and society where a wife is forced to have sex without her will but it is not fine with society that a women earnig her living(legally) by staking her reputation on line.
Someone talked about daily wages, Rs 200 dhiyadi or something.....i would like to ask, if someone pays you more money than your daily wages, would you indulge in sex with any women or men? Kyun easy money hai....why not???(Sadak pe pada hua 100 ka note bhi to apna hi hota hai)........would you do it?......Nah....you have knoweledge/experiance/parents......almost everything to blow you out of this kind of situations........but what if these benefits doesn't exist for you?....."Jinda rahne insaan ka pahla Haq hai"....padha tha kahin baaki pata nahi how many of us are not afraid to die?
One more thing, if women/men are willing to have sex with more than one man/woman....then its ok...ITs not prostitution. Right? But it is called prostitution when one's living depends on it. Strange?.....oh, yes men are exception, they Run this world. Prostitution was a promotion of men in old times, so we got no one to blame.
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yudhvirmor
New member
I can imagine the reaction in Gohana...As we said earlier, Legalization doesn't mean that Govt'll provide subsidy to setup brothels at tehsil level. We all need to make sure that no woman will be forced in prostitution and whoever are already in this gutter (Approx 3.4 million) shouldn't suffer exploitation and abuse from police and pimps..
Ar tu rajji ho gya proud indian hoke.laggu kun kreigga bhai in cheza ne.Lathh tha le hadde na hota kuch samjhya.Amrica me aurat ki ya duragti konya hoti bhole ram.
sanjaymalik
New member
Well ,concur with u.
R
ranvijay
Guest
Phogat ji, tam computer kyo use karo ho, ye Indian culture me mentioned konii hai. AC kad chalaaye the Indian raajao ne? Car, scooter, bijli, machine – sab kuch samay ke saath insaan ke saath jud gaye tab kisi ne nahi kaha (aapne bhi nahi) ki yo amrica na se?
Aap har naye parivartan ko amrica se kyo jodte ho –amrica se ham kati bhi impressed nahi hai aap biraan mat na ho.
R
ranvijay
Guest
No it will not give legalization to them in the form u mentioned, rather they will get legalization in the form that they will not be treated like animals as is done nowadays, they also are human beings and could not be exploited to any extent just because someone has paid to use them. Rape of prostitute – sounds strange but a rape is a rape –a sex worker should have a right to make a choice to what extent to go and when.
Their children will not be automatically dumped into this market and will be given facilities to study and work if they desire.
Not any policemen can come any time and charge them for illegally being involved in these things. Can u deny that such things exist? And if they exist then why should sex workers only bear the burnt of being downgraded citizens? No one discusses abt the person who goes there, but everyone has an eye filled with hatred towards a prostitute. So, why should she be a looser from all aspects? If she is doing something not good, then atleast let her do at her own terms.
And policemen will blackmail someone who is legally doing his job or the one who is illegally doing? And if a policemen is illegally charging someone who is legally doing his job, then that person will have ways open to protest against him.
rajkphogat
Banned
Bhai Ek thread tha OBC reservation wala Usme kuch mere dost Jaaton ke liye reservation ka virodh kar rahe they kyonki jaat istey niche gir jaangey, Kameen ban jangey, Er is thread me we e balak Prostitution khatam karney ki bajay Prostitution Legal karan ki wakalat karen se.
To iska matlab k se Lugaaiyan k izaat na howti k ya Legal honey k baad ssex workers ki izaat me chaar chand laag jangey???????????
Standard dubley kyoo thodey Mottey kar Bhai..........
To iska matlab k se Lugaaiyan k izaat na howti k ya Legal honey k baad ssex workers ki izaat me chaar chand laag jangey???????????
Standard dubley kyoo thodey Mottey kar Bhai..........
sidchhikara
New member
Is mein koi bharat sanskriti ki baat naa se.
Prostitution is part of Indian culture ... devdasi etc.
Which culture are you talking about?
These things were part of ancient Indian culture.
This is Indian culture today:
Hypocrisy
Useless religious rituals by fat housewives
child worship
Watching serials on Star/Sony/Zee
Corruption and pride associated with being corrupt .. maa/baap/rishtedaar chhati thook ke kahe sein mahara chhora upar ki kamai kare sei.
Phooti tooti sadken ... gandagi/jaanwar sab jageh ... no bijli paani.
Sexually frustrated young people doing it in the back of the car ... chori chupke ... Police kaa perverted Ramphal always trying to find such couples instead of doing actual police work.
What else ... oh yeah ... false ethnic/religious pride ... mein Jaat hoon, Yadav, gujjar, Sardar, Tamil etc.
Slavery waala attitude
Oh haan ... mobile phone worship ... aur us pe ulte seedhe SMS / callertune set karna.
All the above thing make prostitution look like a noble deed - something .bhisham pitahmeh
would do.
Oh ... and by the way...
My friends/members on this website including me don't indulge in any of the above activities.
Prostitution is part of Indian culture ... devdasi etc.
Which culture are you talking about?
These things were part of ancient Indian culture.
This is Indian culture today:
Hypocrisy
Useless religious rituals by fat housewives
child worship
Watching serials on Star/Sony/Zee
Corruption and pride associated with being corrupt .. maa/baap/rishtedaar chhati thook ke kahe sein mahara chhora upar ki kamai kare sei.
Phooti tooti sadken ... gandagi/jaanwar sab jageh ... no bijli paani.
Sexually frustrated young people doing it in the back of the car ... chori chupke ... Police kaa perverted Ramphal always trying to find such couples instead of doing actual police work.
What else ... oh yeah ... false ethnic/religious pride ... mein Jaat hoon, Yadav, gujjar, Sardar, Tamil etc.
Slavery waala attitude
Oh haan ... mobile phone worship ... aur us pe ulte seedhe SMS / callertune set karna.
All the above thing make prostitution look like a noble deed - something .bhisham pitahmeh
would do.
Oh ... and by the way...
My friends/members on this website including me don't indulge in any of the above activities.
akshaymalik84
Active member
This is your double standard. You are asking reservation for betterment of jat society but hesitant in accepting the profession of these women. You dont want their betterment. Most of those who supported legalisation never said that Jats will be downgraded(KAMEEN etc.) after getting reservation. They only argued that Jats would not be able to achieve and develop the skills which they normally can do and are doing without reservation.
Prostitute or KAMEEN are not written on any women' or men' face. Who knows you might have had lunch or dinner with a Kameen or may be with a prostitute unintentionally.
Best Answer to this discussion IMHO is the song by Gurudutt in movie Pyasa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34dkJu3LOv8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34dkJu3LOv8
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Bilkul sahi kah diya bhai ne... ar ya baat to tab hai jab hamare yahan officially 2.6 million or unofficial census ke according 15 million pros already hai. Uskey baad bhi sanskriti ka dhindora peet-te reh. Duniya ab itni choti ho chuki hai ki sari sanskriti aapas mei mil gayee hai. Different countries key urban areas mei koi jyada differences nahi reh gaye hai, differences bas attitude mei hai. Desh mei ek road accident victim hospital tak jaane jaane mei mar jaa hai, Amerika mei emergency reponse wale 5-7 min mei aakar usse jinda rakhne ko pura zor laga de. Baki khaana peena bhi ab to wohi ho gaya. Burger, Pizza, Cola, Fries.... or chains bhi wohi hai - McD, Pizza hut, KFC, Domino's etc etc.
Is mein koi bharat sanskriti ki baat naa se.
Prostitution is part of Indian culture ... devdasi etc.
Which culture are you talking about?
These things were part of ancient Indian culture.
This is Indian culture today:
Hypocrisy
Useless religious rituals by fat housewives
child worship
Watching serials on Star/Sony/Zee
Corruption and pride associated with being corrupt .. maa/baap/rishtedaar chhati thook ke kahe sein mahara chhora upar ki kamai kare sei.
Phooti tooti sadken ... gandagi/jaanwar sab jageh ... no bijli paani.
Sexually frustrated young people doing it in the back of the car ... chori chupke ... Police kaa perverted Ramphal always trying to find such couples instead of doing actual police work.
What else ... oh yeah ... false ethnic/religious pride ... mein Jaat hoon, Yadav, gujjar, Sardar, Tamil etc.
Slavery waala attitude
Oh haan ... mobile phone worship ... aur us pe ulte seedhe SMS / callertune set karna.
All the above thing make prostitution look like a noble deed - something .bhisham pitahmeh
would do.
Oh ... and by the way...
My friends/members on this website including me don't indulge in any of the above activities.
chhillarneha
New member
it should definitely be legalised..!!
AIDS would be prevented...
it would give those sex workers some respect in the society...and a source of earning as well...!!
'legalise' doesnot mean 'sex trade'..it would stop any kind of exploitation of the sex workers..
AIDS would be prevented...
it would give those sex workers some respect in the society...and a source of earning as well...!!
'legalise' doesnot mean 'sex trade'..it would stop any kind of exploitation of the sex workers..
rajkphogat
Banned
Mr. Malik
I hav not adopted dubble std.
Do you think If pros. get legalised then their lifes will get better, AIDS could be prevented as they will get full & unbreakable supply of condoms hahaha......,
their childrens will get better education aaj unhe school se kaun nikaal raha hai Primary education is free in govt schools,
They will b saved from police harrasment Achha how ????
They will get recognition- I didn't get meaning of this word Recognition I think all others will know that she is an prostitute so after recognition she will find clients nearby to her house............ but how it will help them
Monirs will be saved from this profession how?????? We hav child labour law I think then that would be applicable to them. Haah
Do you ever think that if someone married with childrens & in his/her neighbourhood an Prostitute is living & all his family members know about her proffession then what would any sensible person like to do?
Do you ever think by legalising it give an legal and easy way to young girls to make money, i am not denying tha it si not there in society but after that situation might b worse then present one.
Living conditions of an prostitute & their childrens can't get betetr untill they r in the same proffession.
Er wo 200 ki dhiyadi wala bhi mein e tha t bhai K galat keh di Aur waise bhi Prostituion to Pros hai Chahe wo Paise k liye kiya jaye ya naukri me promotion k liye...............
Eb tu apni sweden aali na gaan lagjaiyye, China ka Defence budget hamarey budget se more then 10 timmes jayada hai to hum bhi sara paise defence me laga dey Local factors bhe te matter kare se ek nahi kaka.
& If you think OBC reservation is for the betterment of Jat Society then why are u against it ? Think over it dear.
akshaymalik84
Active member
You are asking same questions again and again right from the start and most of us responded to your queries.
पर आड़े ते वाहे बात हो रही से ...कीड़ी का घर कित्त सिक आगे पाछे नीम तले.....
rajkphogat
Banned
Rey bhai madi motti buddhi se eein marey na samjya eb tai, TERE JITNA TEJ KONI MAIN
Tu kidi Aali dhaal hindi me samja de ek be, fer samajanga.
sanjaymalik
New member
Dear Raj please find my comments in red.
But all things will happened only after proper enactment.
But all things will happened only after proper enactment.
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Bhai Raj Phogat
Prostituition is illegal in most of USA except Las Vegas and Rhode Island. Now Rhode Island has made it illegal. Better example is European Countries like Germany etc and SE Asian Countries like Thailand, Phillipines.
I have extremly limited knowledge about this profession or its impact, can't speak with authority here. My comment are from health and human service perspective. Any idea that brings good health care to most poor, down trodden, ignored, and outcast group of this nation, I am all in favor of that, simple reason, providing good health care to all citizens pays rich dividend to the nation in long term.
As far as morality, ethics, social norms behind prostituition is concerned--my answer to that is, there is a reason why it is called 'the oldest profession'. In our entire human history we could not remove prostituition by making it illegal, can we try a different approach for atleast 300 years, maybe just maybe we may get different results.
Anything that removes exploitation of one person by another person is noble, it transcends any moral or ethical dilemma, and it is shows the kindness of humanity.
Lets not be a prisoner of our dogma but a trail blazer in our karma--that's what our civilization has always taught us.
Prostituition is illegal in most of USA except Las Vegas and Rhode Island. Now Rhode Island has made it illegal. Better example is European Countries like Germany etc and SE Asian Countries like Thailand, Phillipines.
I have extremly limited knowledge about this profession or its impact, can't speak with authority here. My comment are from health and human service perspective. Any idea that brings good health care to most poor, down trodden, ignored, and outcast group of this nation, I am all in favor of that, simple reason, providing good health care to all citizens pays rich dividend to the nation in long term.
As far as morality, ethics, social norms behind prostituition is concerned--my answer to that is, there is a reason why it is called 'the oldest profession'. In our entire human history we could not remove prostituition by making it illegal, can we try a different approach for atleast 300 years, maybe just maybe we may get different results.
Anything that removes exploitation of one person by another person is noble, it transcends any moral or ethical dilemma, and it is shows the kindness of humanity.
Lets not be a prisoner of our dogma but a trail blazer in our karma--that's what our civilization has always taught us.