Lets not be a prisoner of our dogma but a trail blazer in our karma.
Exactly! Words of wisdom!
Lets not be a prisoner of our dogma but a trail blazer in our karma.
Bhai Raj Phogat
Prostituition is of our dogma but a trail blazer in our karma--that's what our civilization has always taught us.
Raj
Raj
You have very valid point albeit in very abstract way. Most people are saying if you pay for sex it is not different than paying for milk, food etc. Sex is food for physical and psychological hunger. You may deny that or accept it.
bHAI YA TE SAMAJ SAMAJ KI BAAT SE, NU TE BALAK 25-26 SAAL TAI BHI TE REH E SE, SHADI TO USKEY BAAD HO HOTI HAI
As far as stopping AIDS is concerned there is no silver bullet that can stop the spread of AIDS, we can only control it from becoming pandemic. Whether condoms control the spread of AIDS or not--jury is still out on that. As far as I know, all condoms are made of latex, and they have microscopic holes in them due to presence of carbon, where as AIDS virus is smaller than holes in latex so virus is able to transmit itself. This is what was taught in my college level biology class 15 yrs ago, they may have found a better technique, I don't know. BHAI NO IDEA ABUT THAT
Will the children get better treatment in school or not that depends on teachers, school environment, laws and most important of all, society itself has to answer that question. Is Indian Society going to hold an innocent child responsible for the profession of their parents--answer is YES because we are just such hypocrites. We are a society that takes sadistic pleasure in dehumanizing and degrading innocence. There is not a question about "Izzat bhadani or ghatani" the premise behind legalization of prostitution is taking the stigma out of it. Take the enigma out of this equation, let it be a commerce where two consenting adults agree to sell and buy a service based on their mutual needs.
bHAI HYPPOCRASY TE FER BHI REHGI LAW BANANEY SE KUCH NAHI HOTA
My question is who is the father of these kids born to prostitutes, even though its a commercial transaction the after affect (child born) is both their responsibility--let law find the men responsible and force them to pay child support and give their name for the dignity and respect that innocent child deserves, then we will see how many "Sharmaaydaar" and "Samaj key Rakshak" will stand their ground and be counted as men or they will come with an age old excuse of Indian Lexicon--"they are being framed in it by conspiracy of vested interest".
BHAI YA BAAT TE PRACTICAL KONI, AS PER MY KNOWLEDGE DNA TEST COST 1 LACS, KITNEY TEST KARANEY PADENGEY BERA PADAN NEY KUN BAAP SE
I have to give you a compliment, you are bringing alot of civilized debate and discussion on this subject. It is indeed my pleasure to be part of discussion with you, please accept my heartiest gratitude
THANKS AND SAME HERE KARAN BHAI............
Agree with you on that. Jatlanders and people like you, me can only answer this question on individual basis, in broad sense Society as whole has to answer this question. Unless society decides to free itself from the orthodox traditions and dogma, want to move forward toward more compassion, kindness toward all and practises the noble idea of our vedic teachings that a person should be judged by his virtue not by his lineage, it will remain a pipe dream.bHAI HYPPOCRASY TE FER BHI REHGI LAW BANANEY SE KUCH NAHI HOTA
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Raj
You have very valid point albeit in very abstract way. Most people are saying if you pay for sex it is not different than paying for milk, food etc. Sex is food for physical and psychological hunger. You may deny that or accept it.
bHAI YA TE SAMAJ SAMAJ KI BAAT SE, NU TE BALAK 25-26 SAAL TAI BHI TE REH E SE, SHADI TO USKEY BAAD HO HOTI HAI
hahahaha...............25-26 saal lok baalak kyooker reh ..wo tanne bhi byara hoga Raj......try to accept the truth
Hahahahha.......................... Bhai baat te sahi se par Prostitute dhorey kitney k jaan se???????
So true n workable but hota kya hai.....old relationship becomes dull n the new one takes place......Batuknath ne kar dikhaya.....many more are there who are not focussed by media on television.
But one thing I wanna ask u all, laws to bahaut bane hain for women but kitno ko hathiyar bana paa rahi hain mahilaayen.....like I recently read somewhere,if a female is seduced by a man n she by mistake becomes the victim of that then she too can sue the guy who seduced her. Kaun si ladki khul ke saamne aati hai? Poor girl. Laws to bana diye but samaj itna ganda hai ki unn laws ka istemaal karein usse pahle bechari ladki ko galat thehra dete hain. And once a girl lost her virginity she has no option to get marry with other either by disclosing(at her own risk) or by hiding so as to be safe in this bad world protected by the arms of her husband. If husband is gud then her life is ok otherwise she is lost somewhere.
My reply to the bold quotes.
Phir se wo hi sex, virginity, copulation, condoms, ipil etc etc. You all will get me banned this time on speaking on sex. Anyway m glad a girls used this (sex) unspeakable word on JL.I will try expressing my one & half cents (last time two cents tha) in right context without outraging the woman’s modesty.
How a woman is seduced by a manLike amrish puri who seduced sridevi with his been in Nagina. And sri devi just couldn’t control herself and kept on inclined toward jattadhaari sapera Bharav naath . Though he was not after her virginity but for naagmani. Unfortunatly today’s naagraaj are just after naagin’s virginity and that’s a disturbing trand. Some naagraaj feel betrayed when they find that the naagin they were chasing with so much hope is not virgin at all. Matlab she has lost her virginity with some other naagraj (may be anupam kher) prior to him.
Where is she lost??? See..There are so many intelligent women out there who knows after sleeping with men (probabliy more than one) how to move on in their life. Take suggestion from them.
What the govt. was able to do for such girls apart from providing a law? Did it really worked? Why not a man learn to respect virginity? Why not a girl is supported if she commits a mistake? Why not the man admit his mistake? Why it is given the name of mutual of consent? Seducing any innocent lady is a very big crime. Why not it is understood in the right direction n action taken against? Why not?
Govt does not monitor one’s sexual adventure or experiment done for pleasure. Is virginity needs to be respect or enjoyed? Or both? Yeh every guy want to inaugurate a new establishment cutting the red ribbon (or precisely pink) with their own hand or whatever physical part. Seducing any innocent lady…what is that??? Now that pissed me off completely. ( m joking not pissed off). BTW how big this crime is? Should be measureble to bring this into the scope of legislation. well future’s outcome is always discounted. Ideally woman’s sixth sense precisly tells them which part of body a guy is looking at. Or what he wants from the relationshilp. Give yourself time ladies to know a guy unless you really want to enjoy a fling. It’s not always girls who experence eve teasing, even boys experence that. I haven’t teased girls as much as they have teased me. Once I went to Maharani college in jaipur along with my friend, he was talking to his sister and I was just hanging around, and then I saw a groups of girls out there; sitting on the stairs, staring at me, and when I looked at them they started laughing so grossly as they have seen world’s most funniest person. Initally I thogut Is there something wrong with my attire or posture? But when they started hooting, i really felt good to see how our girls have become so empowered. But they did a mistake by perceving me one kind of jain or johari boy. Now it was my turn, I pick one charming girl among the bunch who was taking the lead of eve teasers. I called up one girl bahan ji type to pass on a chit to her. She gave that chit to that girl. She read and came toward me with her gang like angry wild buffalo. On striking she asked me what do you think of yourself? I looked into her eyes and said....Bond.......James Bond..!. I encouraged them to molest me physically. That’s the only way to end this Male domination in the society & come at par. What would have been the phenomena had the news been read out. – A 20 year old boy was molested by seven girls in college campus. Three girls have been arrested on the charges of sexual assault and four girls are still absconding. Boy is being sent for medical examination. His cloth has been sent to forensic lab. Innocent Boy is rehabilating in “Trauma Center”. The “Akhil bhartiya yuva morcha” has condemed this act. This is the seventh case reported of boy’s molestion in the last two weeks. Thana Bani park circle inspector-Dharpakad singh has assured the agitated activists of purush sangrakshan samiti amid tense atmosphere in the conference that they have some clue about the perpetrators and will nab them soon.
Martin luthar king had once said while addressing American civil movement “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream that one day right there in Alabama little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers. I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia, the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.
I have a dream today!
I too have a dream that one day the ladies will eliminate the male domination from the society. And will molest the men psychologically and physically outright. I have a dream that one day woman will be able to roam freely in the midnight alone like men and mom’s will advise their boys never go out in the night as it’s not safe for boys .I have a dream that boys will feel miserable and a sense of deep regret after loosing their virginity to girls. I have a dream that one day in a cocktail party Rupan deol bajaj will pat on the butt of KPS gill. And KPS gill will file the case of molestation.
Yes I have a dream today.
Continued.....
Is legalisation of prostitution is a corollary of Women enpowerment?
Some of us thinks.....womens are made only to be wives or prostitutes. You can't and shouldn't do anything to help them. Better leave them on their own.
To hell with that culture and society where a wife is forced to have sex without her will but it is not fine with society that a women earnig her living(legally) by staking her reputation on line.
Someone talked about daily wages, Rs 200 dhiyadi or something.....i would like to ask, if someone pays you more money than your daily wages, would you indulge in sex with any women or men? Kyun easy money hai....why not???(Sadak pe pada hua 100 ka note bhi to apna hi hota hai)........would you do it?......Nah....you have knoweledge/experiance/parents......almost everything to blow you out of this kind of situations........but what if these benefits doesn't exist for you?....."Jinda rahne insaan ka pahla Haq hai"....padha tha kahin baaki pata nahi how many of us are not afraid to die?
One more thing, if women/men are willing to have sex with more than one man/woman....then its ok...ITs not prostitution. Right? But it is called prostitution when one's living depends on it. Strange?.....oh, yes men are exception, they Run this world. Prostitution was a promotion of men in old times, so we got no one to blame.
Is mein koi bharat sanskriti ki baat naa se.
Prostitution is part of Indian culture ... devdasi etc.
Which culture are you talking about?
These things were part of ancient Indian culture.
This is Indian culture today:
Hypocrisy
Useless religious rituals by fat housewives
child worship
Watching serials on Star/Sony/Zee
Corruption and pride associated with being corrupt .. maa/baap/rishtedaar chhati thook ke kahe sein mahara chhora upar ki kamai kare sei.
Phooti tooti sadken ... gandagi/jaanwar sab jageh ... no bijli paani.
Sexually frustrated young people doing it in the back of the car ... chori chupke ... Police kaa perverted Ramphal always trying to find such couples instead of doing actual police work.
What else ... oh yeah ... false ethnic/religious pride ... mein Jaat hoon, Yadav, gujjar, Sardar, Tamil etc.
Slavery waala attitude
Oh haan ... mobile phone worship ... aur us pe ulte seedhe SMS / callertune set karna.
All the above thing make prostitution look like a noble deed - something .bhisham pitahmeh
would do.
Oh ... and by the way...
My friends/members on this website including me don't indulge in any of the above activities.![]()
either u legalise it or keep it illegal its not gona change wat people think about prostitutes. it is not gona make it a more respectful profession one can be proud of.
Like I said, regulation is not about passing judgement but to keep track of how many are involved in this profession, it has more to do with providing timely medical help and stop the spread of disease. Its more about containment than curtailment. Whole idea is if they get AIDS/HIV sequester them, provide them with healthcare.baki rahi baat bimari rokne ki ar baki sari cheezo ki. ik baar legal ho gaya to bina license (ya jo bhi cheez hogi record ke liye) prostitution bhi koi bada jurm nahi mana jayega. jise Aids/STDs ho jayegi vo bina license ke kaam karenge.
True there are other pressing priorities too, but the fact is tricks will seek out their customers regardless of traffic, roads, bijli, paani availability.Prostitution is a grey area and there are so many other things on the priority list like: traffic, roads, commonwealth etc. that no body gives a dam*n about this prostitution thing.
Who said anything about giving prostitutes a separate ID, if anyone wants a driver license all that person has to do is --take a test, pay bribe, get license.Abhi to desh me drivers license , voter Id card, rashan card, centralised police information system wagah wagarah ka kaam pura nahi hua hai prostitutaaa ke kit Id banne the.
Now you have hit the nail, if system has to work its enforcement and implementation must be thorough. Like you put it the best--'Kaam Adhoora chod diya jaye'--that's where we need a paradigm shift on everything not just this issueSystem se kaam kiya jaye to prostitution ko legalise karna bura nahi hai , bas ye na ho kaam adha adhoora chod diya jaye jaisa ki hota raha hai. and yes there should be amendments in the law to keep a check on what happens in these red light areas.
Very valid and great insight. For above I think our Bollywood is more at fault, what ever they show in their movies has impact on young people, since it has audio visual affect on viewers, some people are influenced by it and try to imitate that...as the saying goes, life imitating art.something funny and serious 'legal prostitution se rape cases/ched chad/jawan log paise ke liye jo crime karte hai (seen alot recently young fellows committing crimes to feed their Gfs ) me kami aa sakti hai'
On striking she asked me what do you think of yourself? I looked into her eyes and said....Bond.......James Bond..!.
"Dular...Sudeep Dular" would have been much more jhakaaas, in my humble opinion...![]()
But tell me one thing...How can a girl be innocent when she secretly start the affair with a boy without the knowledge of her family and goes to boys room sleeps on his bed or khaat (sarkaelo khatiya jaada lage, jaade me balma pyara lage).Do you ladies knows that guys cant control their lower half. No one is gentleman below the waist . Sometimes i think how many Indian girls are virgin before their marriage.30 %, 50 % or 70%. Well i have no idea about that bt i have one of my dearest male friend on JL who is virgin not because of lack of opportunity bt because of his strong conviction. And he is very COOL about it. He always prefers beer over girls. Why don’t you girls just keep yourself away from falling in pseduo love before marriage? Do you girls listen to your parent’s adivse when they tell u not to be so acquaint with boys, draw a line. If you girls just keep yourself focused toward studies & home affairs, your parents will find a suitable boy for you like vikram seth. You won’t have to write the plight of the girls here. Indian dating scene is horriblely wrong.Most Boys are sexually frustrated here who didn’t have the company of girl’s right from childhood. Hence there is a huge lack of understanding of opposite sex. That leads to the sexual curosity. And curostiy leads to the molestion of the girls. So they percevie the girls as a sex object first and companion second.Our indian girls are also not fully equipped and well aware of dating do’s and don’t’s. in western countires girls knows dating game very well. They know what’s good touch and whats bad touch right from their childhood. They can distinguish whats a good proposal or whats otherwise. They are well educated by their parents or siblings to judge a guy on his intentions. Unlike India where girls are fascinated & overwhelmed by attention. Arey wo ladka teri taraf dekh raha tha…wow…wo to gaya kaam se tere pyar me…aisa maloom nahi wo ek number ka dhurth kamina naagraaj hai jo sirf virginity ko lootna chahata hai mohamad gaznavi ki tarah. Phir gana gaati hain. Pardeshi pardeshi jana nahi, Mujhe choodd ke mujhe chod ke. OH my God (which never ever exised).Jesus christ!!! What is this again innocent pleasureable mistake? Don’t you ladies afraid of one eyed snake. How she was not aware of landing into the darkness. It seems by just loosing virginity girls lands into the loop of darkness. Is it. BTW in todays scenero its hard to find a virgin girl, atleast in metro’s. Khushboo, a tamil actress once landed herself in a trouble when she said "No educated man would expect his (bride) to be a virgin". Kisi ladke ne koi bachpan me experment kar liya ho to jarur laal ribbon katne ko mila hoga…ab to ribbon kata hua hi aata hai…Ab to gaon ki chooriyon bhi masoom nahi rahi..कभी सरसों का खेत चौपट मिलता है बिच में से..तो कभी बाजरे के सीटों में सलवटे दिखायीं देती हैं...फूल हर तरफ मुरझाएं हुए से दीखते हैं ...दबे हुए, कुचले हुए ..कुछ पत्तियां और कोंपले जो फूटी भी नहीं थी, मसली हुए दिखाई दी..प्रेम की दहलीज़ पर कुछ ख्वाबो का खून हुआ है शायद...!
Akshay, news for you from Sirsa.
Atleast for the first time in my knoweledge, Dera Saccha Sauda is in new for good reasons.
सिरसा : न लग्न-मुहूर्त, न लग्न-मंडप ..! न डोली, न बारात ..! न शहनाई और न ही पंडित जी का मंत्रोच्चारण ..! बस, चहुंओर आस्था व विश्वास की अटूट डोर ..। जी, हां यहां बात हो रही है उस ऐतिहासिक पहल की जो निश्चय ही आने वाले दिनों में न केवल समाज को एक दिशा देगी अपितु समाज में व्याप्त काली भ्रांतियों को उजाले में लाएगी। यह पहल सिरसा स्थित डेरा सच्चा सौदा में समाज की मुख्य धारा से कटी व हेय दृष्टि से देखी जाने वाली बदनाम गली की पांच वेश्याओं को परिणय सूत्र में बांधकर की गई है। दरअसल, संत शाह सतनाम के जन्मदिवस पर जब अलग-अलग जगहों से आई पांच वेश्याओं की शादी रचाई गई तो वह पल अलौकिक दृश्य उपस्थित करता रहा। बेशक इस शादी में न तो दूल्हा घोड़ी चढ़ा और न ही दूल्हे के पीछे लंबी-चौड़ी बारात थी। लेकिन जिस स्थल पर वैवाहिक रस्म संपन्न हुई वहां उपस्थित लाखों लोग समाज को नया आयाम देने वाली इस पहल के साक्षी बने। हर कंठ से वर-वधू को आशीष के लिए स्वर फूट रहे थे। हर आंखों में विजयी चमक थी। यह चमक नारकीय जीवन को स्वर्गिक बनाने के प्रयास के फलस्वरूप थी। सच तो यह है कि वेश्या से शुभ देवियां बनीं इन नई गृहस्थिनों की आंखें भी नवजीवन की खुशी में नम हो गई थी। एक शुभ देवी कहती है कि उसे तो आज सारे जहां की खुशी मिल गई। इस शुभ देवी के अनुसार अब वह नई जिंदगी की शुरूआत करेगी। दांपत्य जीवन की खुशियां जितनी शुभ देवियों के चेहरे पर दमक रही थी उतनी ही वर अर्थात भक्त योद्धा के चेहरे पर भी। एक सच यह भी है कि समाज से तिरस्कृत इन वेश्याओं के हाथ थामने वाले भक्त योद्धाओं के परिजनों ने भी बढ़-चढ़कर दिलेरी दिखाई है। इन्हे बदनामी की चादर ओढ़ने वाली शुभ देवी बहू से कोई शिकवा-शिकायत कतई नहीं। ये सहर्ष अपनी बहू को अपना रहे है। समाज को नई दिशा देने की पहल करने वाले डेरा प्रमुख संत गुरमीत राम रहीम सिंह भी अपने प्रयास की उत्तम परिणति से उत्साहित दिखाई दे रहे है। तभी तो वह कहते है कि आगे भी समाज की मुख्य धारा से अलग रहने वाले लोगों को जोड़ने की कोशिशें जारी रहेगी। उनकी राय में वेश्या से शुभ देवी बनी इन मजबूर लड़कियों की शादी एक ब्रह्म विवाह है। समाज शास्त्रियों की राय में भी ऐसी कोशिशें समाज की सोच को परिमार्जित कर सकती है। निश्चित तौर पर डेरा मुखी गुरमीत राम रहीम सिंह की पहल पर आयोजित इस ब्रह्म विवाह समारोह को देखकर परलोक भी प्रभावित हुए बिना नहीं रह सका होगा। बहरहाल, जिस तरह समाज में फैले कुरीतियों के आसमान में छेद करने के लिए तबियत से पत्थर उछाला गया है, इसके दूरगामी परिणाम निश्चय ही परिलक्षित होंगे।
http://in.jagran.yahoo.com/news/local/haryana/4_6_6133587.html
http://news.indiainfo.com/article/1...sauda_member_to_marry_sex_workers/789452.html
Rehablitation is thousand times better than legalisation.
hhahahahhahahah
Rey bhai sudeep
yo k se rey kunse lekhak ki kitaab padh li
Isa k dekh liya tanne jo eb experience generalise kare se.
All rubbish......................
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