Should Prostitution be Legalised?

Some people always talk about Indian Culture. So what is Indian Culture should be taken into account. For this issue, what is the history of prostitution in India?

I remember readings that it was during chanakya, Mahatma budh times too. Was it legalised that time or undercover? Looking at ajanta, allora, khajuraho, puri temples it seems that Indian culture was too open than today in those times. And perhaps it was invasion by muslims that brings the difference that we see today.

Isnt that so?
 
akshaymalik84 said:
In 1999,Sweden passed a legislation that
a) criminalizes the buying of sex, and
b) decriminalizes the selling of sex.

In just five years Sweden has dramatically reduced the number of its women in prostitution. In the capital city of Stockholm the number of women in street prostitution has been reduced by two thirds, and the number of johns has been reduced by 80%. There are other major Swedish cities where street prostitution has all but disappeared.In addition, the number of foreign women now being trafficked into Sweden for sex is nil. The Swedish government estimates that in the last few years only 200 to 400 women and girls have been annually sex trafficked into Sweden, a figure that's negligible compared to the 15,000 to 17,000 females yearly sex trafficked into neighbouring Finland. No other country, nor any other social experiment, has come anywhere near Sweden's promising results.

http://www.justicewomen.com/cj_sweden.html
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Aki Bhai yo sweden na se.

Wahan ki Rishwatkhori er India ki rishwatkhori ne aur compare karley

India me kannon bantey hain kagzo me dafan ho janey k liye, ek aur Act will give Law students ek aur chapter & Court me us kaanon key purpose ki Dhajjiyan udti hain.
 
rajkphogat said:
Then childrens will hav another career option

Govt will get more Tax revenue

People who do not work can rent their premises for the said purpose.

Jo kaam ab chup kar bach bacha ke hota hai fir organised tarikey se hoga

That will be a win-2 situation for all associated

EB PET BHARGYA POONAM AUR ISEY THOUGHT KHAN NE NA DIYE.
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Certainly it may be in organised manner if legalised it. Every district may get one building like District Sectriate, District Prostitution Officer, Distt Prostitution Medical officer, Prostitution Welfare Offer will be their to take care of all necesacities. Even sujhav avam shikayat petika be found, if u have any grievence.So new vacancy new jobs, new carrier opportunity. Cheer's
 
yudhvirmor said:
Bigamy is illegal as per our constiution. Its lack of awarness that any woman is allowing her husband to do that. Anybody can drag them to court and settle it once for all.
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I know few people who have done undercover second marriage though they have not been divorced by first one. Dowry and divorce cases are still pending and looking at the pace of judgement by courts nobody wants to ruin their life that they have got. So they have done second marriage but without any recognition. This is Bigamy.

Though their wives have filed for bigamy but they couldnt proved it yet. In india, law is there but with no affectiveness on the grounds.

One case I wish to share here related to bigamy of rohtak court .... He was in army and filed a case for divorce with his wife on the allegation of bigamy. Now he has to prove this in court. He produced evidence of his holidays when he was posted in J&K and they were like that the baby his wife delivered was proved not related to him. Like wo chutti aya july mein er balak hogya december mein. Rohtak court ne uske khilaf nirnya sunaya kafi saal ke baad. Pher wo gaya chandigarh .... ke bera ke saal uneh lae honge. Justice delayed is then justice denied.

So its hard to prove all these in our indian scenerio but it doesnt mean that they shouldnt do that ... dabav se hi sudhar aaega yahan.
 
jitendershooda said:
Some people always talk about Indian Culture. So what is Indian Culture should be taken into account. For this issue, what is the history of prostitution in India?

I remember readings that it was during chanakya, Mahatma budh times too. Was it legalised that time or undercover? Looking at ajanta, allora, khajuraho, puri temples it seems that Indian culture was too open than today in those times. And perhaps it was invasion by muslims that brings the difference that we see today.

Isnt that so?
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Bhai Hooda ji

Ek baat aur padh lyo e Ajanta er khujraho jis time baney they us time log grasth jiwan chhod ke sadhu sant bana lagrey the purpose of that khujraho was to attract those persons into Grahsth jiwan thats why these photos etc were present in Mandirs.

Hahahahah............... Tanney te purpose e badal diya bhai Mandir banan ka.
 
sanjaymalik said:
Certainly it may be in organised manner if legalised it. Every district may get one building like District Sectriate, District Prostitution Officer, Distt Prostitution Medical officer, Prostitution Welfare Offer will be their to take care of all necesacities. Even sujhav avam shikayat petika be found, if u have any grievence.So new vacancy new jobs, new carrier opportunity. Cheer's
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Bhai fer Sales executives bhi bharti hongey unmey equivalen to Sectionn officers

Later on Sex workes k liye nai Admn Services Shru hongi IPRS (Indian Prostitution Services), which will proved to be hot choice among civil services aspirants( at least in case of boys)

hahahhahaha..........................................
 
its a old aged profession but it has always been fourished undercover only. So it would be better to legalised it with proper implementatin of legislature, rules and processures. By providing proper place or specific area, so that the sexs workers living conditions will be improved. They and thier offspring will be able to get better aminites, social recoginition etc. Befare legalisation need to conduct servey like what kind and where space can be provid to them what will be terms and condition, rules to carry out this old ages profession.
 
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its a old aged profession but it has always been fourished undercover only. So it would be better to legalised it with proper implementatin of legislature, rules and processures. By providing proper place or specific area, so that the sexs workers leaving conditions will be improved. They and thier offspring will be able to get better aminites, social recoginition etc. Befare legalisation need to conduct servey like what kind and where space can be provid to them what will be terms and condition, rules to carry out this old ages profession.
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leaving conditions ek living conditions guru

Sati pratha bhot purani thi wa kyoo band karwayi bhai usney bhi nayar kannon bana ki specific area me lagoo karo, Social recog. dyo, alag shamshan ghat banao sati hon thai. Same for Baal Vivah.

Bhai problem Sex workers ki condition na se Prostitution se er usko khatam karney ki bajay usko legal karna te bimaari badana se.
 
jitendershooda said:
Some people always talk about Indian Culture. So what is Indian Culture should be taken into account. For this issue, what is the history of prostitution in India?

I remember readings that it was during chanakya, Mahatma budh times too. Was it legalised that time or undercover? Looking at ajanta, allora, khajuraho, puri temples it seems that Indian culture was too open than today in those times. And perhaps it was invasion by muslims that brings the difference that we see today.

Isnt that so?
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Jitu bhai, Prostitution is as old as the organised society. Even in Vedas, prostitution is consider as an organised and established institution. Remember Menka caused the downfall of Vishwamitra was sent by Indra. That was also some kind of prostitution. Aryan rulers encourage the system of guest prostitution. They used to present the best available to their friends. Arthasasthra contains rules for prostitutes and their activities and gives an account of how prostitutes should behave and how their lives are ordered. There were even religous prostitutes which were called Devadasi. Prostitution also flourished during the time of Muslims. Aurangazeb was an exception.
 
rajkphogat said:
If legalised then So called modern society girls will get a legal source of income to finance their levish lifestyle Wo cheez kyoo bhullo so bhai.
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Agreed point.

Ranvijayji main statistics to saath leke chalti nahin lekin aapki baat bhi maan leti hun. Aur aane do ye ek aur naya law with set limitations n rules.....baaki to newspaper bayaan karega. Wait for the legalisation first, n then for the news in TOI, HT or any other gud source of News.
 
jitendershooda said:
Some people always talk about Indian Culture. So what is Indian Culture should be taken into account. For this issue, what is the history of prostitution in India?

I remember readings that it was during chanakya, Mahatma budh times too. Was it legalised that time or undercover? Looking at ajanta, allora, khajuraho, puri temples it seems that Indian culture was too open than today in those times. And perhaps it was invasion by muslims that brings the difference that we see today.

Isnt that so?
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Sir, you have a point.
 
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I second with you Kapil Bhai. Very valid point indeed.


Yeah, it should be legalized !



kapil.dalal said:
Legalisation is different from giving respect to the sex workers. It merely prevents their abuse by mafia and police.

What does the term “legalise” actually imply?
It would imply that consensual trade in sexual services between adult citizens is permitted.

Is it same as respect?
No, the govt. can't force anyone to respect anyone else. One can still hold that it is an immoral and disrespectful practice. It would just mean the sex workers can carry out their activities without being harassed by police/mafia. And of course, the law should include restrictions on when and where the activities can be carried out so that neighbourhood brothels don't mushroom everywhere making it "difficult" for other people.

This blog post does a very good job of looking at legal/social respectability issue.
http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2009/12/15/on-legalising-prostitution/
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yudhvirmor said:
Bigamy is illegal as per our constiution. Its lack of awarness that any woman is allowing her husband to do that. Anybody can drag them to court and settle it once for all.
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So true n workable but hota kya hai.....old relationship becomes dull n the new one takes place......Batuknath ne kar dikhaya.....many more are there who are not focussed by media on television.

But one thing I wanna ask u all, laws to bahaut bane hain for women but kitno ko hathiyar bana paa rahi hain mahilaayen.....like I recently read somewhere, if a female is seduced by a man n she by mistake becomes the victim of that then she too can sue the guy who seduced her. Kaun si ladki khul ke saamne aati hai? Poor girl. Laws to bana diye but samaj itna ganda hai ki unn laws ka istemaal karein usse pahle bechari ladki ko galat thehra dete hain. And once a girl lost her virginity she has no option to get marry with other either by disclosing(at her own risk) or by hiding so as to be safe in this bad world protected by the arms of her husband. If husband is gud then her life is ok otherwise she is lost somewhere.

What the govt. was able to do for such girls apart from providing a law? Did it really worked? Why not a man learn to respect virginity? Why not a girl is supported if she commits a mistake? Why not the man admit his mistake? Why it is given the name of mutual of consent? Seducing any innocent lady is a very big crime. Why not it is understood in the right direction n action taken against? Why not?

Can anybody tell me what to do for those ladies who die every moment as she is being insulted/neglected or even when she is asked to put signature on divorce papers when her spouse get to know about her innocent mistake. Though its not completely the fault of guy but she also took part in it but why people forget that she was first seduced by the man of which she was not aware how she is landing into this darkness.

If one does not know about this law then pls make the search on your own. I read it somewhere in some link but now I don't have the same. Sorry for that, otherwise u need not do this lil effort (for those who r making search).
 
rajkphogat said:
living conditions ek living conditions guru

Sati pratha bhot purani thi wa kyoo band karwayi bhai usney bhi nayar kannon bana ki specific area me lagoo karo, Social recog. dyo, alag shamshan ghat banao sati hon thai. Same for Baal Vivah.

Bhai problem Sex workers ki condition na se Prostitution se er usko khatam karney ki bajay usko legal karna te bimaari badana se.
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Bhai Raj every acts implemented have good as well as bad effects. But i think in case of legalising prosetitution bad effects may be low as campared to good. At least it will create some checks over the trafficing of destituted girls at the age of 10 or 12. and those who visiting to these area are visiting and will also visit whether it will legalized or not but least the condition and earning of those poor womens will increased in decrease income of pimps and police They will be able to get proper recognition.
 
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choudharyneelam said:
So true n workable but hota kya hai.....old relationship becomes dull n the new one takes place......Batuknath ne kar dikhaya.....many more are there who are not focussed by media on television.

But one thing I wanna ask u all, laws to bahaut bane hain for women but kitno ko hathiyar bana paa rahi hain mahilaayen..
Mahilaon ne Dowery Harassment, Section 498A,406, ko pura hathiyar bana rakha, other one Domestic voilence Act ko bana rakha hai, some time number of fake cases.60%.
.like I recently read somewhere, if a female is seduced by a man n she by mistake becomes the victim of that then she too can sue the guy who seduced her.
i don't know whether you are talking about seduction by word or promise or /seduction by intoxication or adminstration of any stupefying or unwholesome substance, she is unable to understand the nature and consequences. if it is seduction by words i.e ist then she is enough able to understand the nature of act she is doing and if in case of 2nd suduction by some substance then setion 376 clause Fifth is there.
Kaun si ladki khul ke saamne aati hai? Poor girl. Laws to bana diye but samaj itna ganda hai ki unn laws ka istemaal karein usse pahle bechari ladki ko galat thehra dete hain. And once a girl lost her virginity she has no option to get marry with other either by disclosing(at her own risk) or by hiding so as to be safe in this bad world protected by the arms of her husband. If husband is gud then her life is ok otherwise she is lost somewhere.

What the govt. was able to do for such girls apart from providing a law? Did it really worked? Why not a man learn to respect virginity? Why not a girl is supported if she commits a mistake? Why not the man admit his mistake? Why it is given the name of mutual of consent? Seducing any innocent lady is a very big crime. Why not it is understood in the right direction n action taken against? Why not?

Can anybody tell me what to do for those ladies who die every moment as she is being insulted/neglected or even when she is asked to put signature on divorce papers when her spouse get to know about her innocent mistake. Though its not completely the fault of guy but she also took part in it but why people forget that she was first seduced by the man of which she was not aware how she is landing into this darkness.

If one does not know about this law then pls make the search on your own. I read it somewhere in some link but now I don't have the same. Sorry for that, otherwise u need not do this lil effort (for those who r making search).
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This is patriarchical, male dominated society so break it.
 
jitendershooda said:
Some people always talk about Indian Culture. So what is Indian Culture should be taken into account. For this issue, what is the history of prostitution in India?

I remember readings that it was during chanakya, Mahatma budh times too. Was it legalised that time or undercover? Looking at ajanta, allora, khajuraho, puri temples it seems that Indian culture was too open than today in those times. And perhaps it was invasion by muslims that brings the difference that we see today.

Isnt that so?
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Jitendra, it was not only legalised but state sponsored. Kautilya's Arthashashtra documents it. And do I need to remind that Kautilya was the chancellor of Chandragupta Maurya, who we try to appropriate as a Jat (probably with some merit, but it is a controversial thesis).

Below is an excerpt from a research paper on position of women in that period. And, let me clarify before anyone starts getting feisty, that this is specifically for culture vultures, of "hamaari sanskriti aur sabhyata" types. It is NOT my belief that just because something happened in the past or was part of our culture, then it should continue to remain so with/without merit.

Link:
http://www.asiaticsociety.org.bd/journals/June_2009/contents/Protiti%20shirin.htm

Excerpts:
Prostitution was a state-endorsed activity, and it generated revenues for the state. The prostitute, usually the madam or the head of a brothel and her deputy were given lump sums by the state to establish brothels and to buy jewellery, furniture, etc.
Nonetheless, like the dependent prostitute, the independent one also paid one-sixth of her income as tax to the state. [22] In times of financial trouble for the state, she had to pay extra revenue to the state and the independent ones were obliged to pay half of their income as tax. [23] It was clear that the prostitute’s income was a stable source of state revenue and to generate it, the state encouraged prostitution by direct methods. The courtesan had to possess a wide range of accomplishments ranging from speaking as is evident in the Ramayana [24] to painting to love-making.
To avoid her total exploitation, the Arthashastra granted the prostitute some legal projection. For example, the rape of a prostitute was regarded as a crime.
However, even the common prostitute was granted certain legal rights which would protect her. She was protected from cheating, robbery, abduction, confinement or disfigurement. Moreover, there was special legal care to protect the virginity of a prostitute’s daughter. A man had to pay a fine that was sixteen times higher than the fee of a visit to a prostitute if he deflowered her daughter by choice or by force
 
choudharyneelam said:
So true n workable but hota kya hai.....old relationship becomes dull n the new one takes place......Batuknath ne kar dikhaya.....many more are there who are not focussed by media on television.

But one thing I wanna ask u all, laws to bahaut bane hain for women but kitno ko hathiyar bana paa rahi hain mahilaayen.....like I recently read somewhere, if a female is seduced by a man n she by mistake becomes the victim of that then she too can sue the guy who seduced her. Kaun si ladki khul ke saamne aati hai? Poor girl. Laws to bana diye but samaj itna ganda hai ki unn laws ka istemaal karein usse pahle bechari ladki ko galat thehra dete hain. And once a girl lost her virginity she has no option to get marry with other either by disclosing(at her own risk) or by hiding so as to be safe in this bad world protected by the arms of her husband. If husband is gud then her life is ok otherwise she is lost somewhere.

What the govt. was able to do for such girls apart from providing a law? Did it really worked? Why not a man learn to respect virginity? Why not a girl is supported if she commits a mistake? Why not the man admit his mistake? Why it is given the name of mutual of consent? Seducing any innocent lady is a very big crime. Why not it is understood in the right direction n action taken against? Why not?

Can anybody tell me what to do for those ladies who die every moment as she is being insulted/neglected or even when she is asked to put signature on divorce papers when her spouse get to know about her innocent mistake. Though its not completely the fault of guy but she also took part in it but why people forget that she was first seduced by the man of which she was not aware how she is landing into this darkness.

If one does not know about this law then pls make the search on your own. I read it somewhere in some link but now I don't have the same. Sorry for that, otherwise u need not do this lil effort (for those who r making search).
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I think you are mixing the constitution and social practices. We were discussing if we legalized it or not..
I read it somewhere.. Pain is inevitable and suffering is optional.. So most women opted for suffering...

Lets not distract from the topic, We can't mock around to bring it to every town. We need to address the suffering of those innocent girls, women and their kids. By Legalizing it, It may give them legal shield so that nobody can exploit or harass them.
 
choudharyneelam said:
like I recently read somewhere, if a female is seduced by a man n she by mistake becomes the victim of that then she too can sue the guy who seduced her.

What the govt. was able to do for such girls apart from providing a law? Did it really worked? Why not a man learn to respect virginity? Why not a girl is supported if she commits a mistake? Why not the man admit his mistake? Why it is given the name of mutual of consent? Seducing any innocent lady is a very big crime. Why not it is understood in the right direction n action taken against? Why not?
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Errr...are you serious? Is this really a law? I'd be shocked if it is, unless you meant the circumstances where the girl was a minor or some hanky panky was involved (like a drug, use of force,etc.). If there is mutual consent, then who seduces whom is immaterial. I would rather not get into details given how touchy people get. But here is an analogy. If someone snatches your purse, then it is wrong and law should take care of it. But if you voluntarily give it to someone, why should law or anyone else for that matter, bother?
 
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