2 points -
a)Marriage b/w same gotra people should not happen & we should respect the 3 gotra match rule.
b)If some one marries in same gotra then killling them is not a solution.They should be discarded by the society.
Quit worrying about other people's daughters. Its their family, they can do what they feel like ... its not your concern.
I am sure you will help Anil from now on in their time of need ... financially and emotionally ... if not then you can keep your proselytizing to yourself - people can take care of their families and daughters without your lecture.
[JS] In no way the judgement has harmed Jat tradition, it has taught a lesson to the people who have no respect for the lives of innocent people. I would have preferred Death Sentence to all the panchayat members and police personnel who helped the killers as well.
I have found these 2 lines distasteful to some extent to me in your above post and that's why I am interrupting. You said the judgement has harmed Jat tradition in no way. I said it has. Haryana is a Jat dominant state and 5 Jats will be hanged there (though if it happens Congress will be swept away from Haryana for good as far as I think).
Why will those 5 Jats be hanged? Because they killed a couple which has violated Jat community rules. Those 5 guys were not professional killers and they all have family as far as I know. You say Panchayat members and Policemen should have also been hanged. Don't you feel it's aftereffect? This is insult of whole Jat community. I think 3 years' imprisonment would be a good lesson, but if they are really going to be hanged then other castes are going to tease us Jats saying how do you say you are dominant in Haryana, dozens of Jats have been hanged there. So if you still feel happy on this decision, then you are truly a secular person. According to you this casteism and dominance like things are all rubbish and all human beings are equal. It doesn't matter if people of one caste perform better on this planet than the people of other castes, all are equal to you. My well wishes are with you. Thanks.
Upendra, If you read my next comment you will get to know the reason for my comment.
If you feel hanging these people is an insult to whole community, then in my opinion these people are insult to Jat community. I have recommended Death Sentence to the Panchayat Members and the Policemen involved, because I have sympathy with the family members who were provoked by these people. The killers were not professional, but these people were professionals. They were on responsible positions and they should have tried to resolve the issue, so that minimum damage was done. Instead they did handle in such a way that maximum harm was done.
Additionally, I dont buy your argument that in Haryana if a Jat is hanged than its a shame. What should happen to me if I murder somebody innocent, who has done no harm to me? Should I get 3 years imprisonment?
All Jats Please Listen;
Think seriously over some notable posts here. Either punish even a corrupt Jat (who takes bribe or drinks openly on road) or don't say anything to those Jats also who marry in same gotra. Be gentleman. It doesn't matter that other castes may prepare to oust you from your own land in the time of world war or civil war. Become as innocent as cow. Make your kids MCA, MBA, Docs, Engineers and respect your daughters' decision if she wants to marry a Dalit. After all Dalit is also a human being. Kashmiri Pandits have been booted out by the Muslims from Kashmir valley. Become like those Pandits and don't become like those barbarian Muslims. Stop saying yourselves Kshtriya (warrior). Be secular, learn etiquettes.
Friend, only the wearer knows where shoe pinches. When some family's daughter elopes, then that family knows how hard it becomes to talk eye to eye to someone. Others get a chance to harass such family. Look deep into the matter. They 5 killed that couple to maintain the decorum of the society. Though I am not supporting killing, but expressing happiness over the court decision, I can't do so ever. We should also think about the family members of those 5. If someone's daughter does so, then her family members can't sit calm. Or in other words their neighbours and relatives will not let them sit calm. Think over all aspects. It is not the case of simple murder for ransom or looting. Judges, lawyers, others are not innocent enough. To hang a notorious criminal o.k., but to hang someone who has committed some crime to maintain the rules of society, is not just enough. Though all have their own thoughts.
Upender,
I was just trying to point out a fact that Khap Panchayats do not represent our concerns. Even if you compare the gravity of 2 issues you have compared I still think and am sure that the corruption and acceptance to corruption in our society is far more serious problem than what we are vouching here (same gotra issue), since we come across 1-2 issues in a year. And if you still think that you can do it by murdering that odd couple than you are not treating the problem seriously..
Upender,
If you want to interpret it this way, I don't mind. It does not harm me, but it will only help you to go into problems and not solutions.
I was just trying to point out a fact that Khap Panchayats do not represent our concerns. Even if you compare the gravity of 2 issues you have compared I still think and am sure that the corruption and acceptance to corruption in our society is far more serious problem than what we are vouching here (same gotra issue), since we come across 1-2 issues in a year. And if you still think that you can do it by murdering that odd couple than you are not treating the problem seriously.
If you are such a warrior, than try and go to fight against those who are equal to you on strength and not the meek couple who is on run from you fearing their life.
I am really wondering if you are trying to idolize barbaric Talibans to create a society of Jats. If so, best of luck.
Its easy to create problems, like the panchayat people have done to the families of the affected by provoking them into murder and its easy to be a laughing bystander like you. If you really have the courage of a warrior, go ahead and support their families and then you will realize the mistake they have done.
Finally, thanks for giving my comments enough value to react at least.
no way the judgement has harmed Jat tradition, it has taught a lesson to the people who have no respect for the lives of innocent people. I would have preferred Death Sentence to all the panchayat members and police personnel who helped the killers as well.
To those, who say killing them is not the solution : i strongly support them. killing is never the solution. but i want to ask one thing what you can do for them so that they avoid taking such .
"it is not his concern " then y u r concerning about his concern , i have seen so many times times that u don't have any respect for anything, sometimes u come upto the level of shamelessness. if u r not feeling attached to the castism type feeling , then y do u waste ur time here brother , u always talk negative. y u don't leave us , if v r so stupid , illiterate , ignorant then ignore us and be happy with ur american life. and this is amazingly nobody is noticing how rude he is in behaviour . tere jaise bandon ka ek hi ilaaj hai ..................... aur wo main yahaan nahi likh saktaa because i am not so shameless like u .
I have found these 2 lines distasteful to some extent to me in your above post and that's why I am interrupting. You said the judgement has harmed Jat tradition in no way. I said it has. Haryana is a Jat dominant state and 5 Jats will be hanged there (though if it happens Congress will be swept away from Haryana for good as far as I think).
Why will those 5 Jats be hanged? Because they killed a couple which has violated Jat community rules. Those 5 guys were not professional killers and they all have family as far as I know. You say Panchayat members and Policemen should have also been hanged. Don't you feel it's aftereffect? This is insult of whole Jat community. I think 3 years' imprisonment would be a good lesson, but if they are really going to be hanged then other castes are going to tease us Jats saying how do you say you are dominant in Haryana, dozens of Jats have been hanged there. So if you still feel happy on this decision, then you are truly a secular person. According to you this casteism and dominance like things are all rubbish and all human beings are equal. It doesn't matter if people of one caste perform better on this planet than the people of other castes, all are equal to you. My well wishes are with you. Thanks.
This case happens to be one in which Panchayat is involved but I have seen/heard of cases where no panchayat was involved and the family itself killed their daughter(in most cases its daughter). Peolpe of our community have the potential to be barbaric. And one can see that here itself with some people supporting the killing.
And a few such strict punishments will straighten these Ijjat ke thekedars. They will then be able to find the way of coping with societal pressure when it has to be compared with lifetime jail..
Also parents and families have to understand that they are not responsible for their kids deeds once they are grown up and so should the society. They can only try their best to raise them and what kids chose to do when they are grown up are their decisions, their logic and principles. The society should ask them for whatever clarifications. Why bother the parents and families. This will reduce the societal pressure that probably forces families to take extreme steps.
Also some people still give genetic reasons for not marrying within same gotra. I don't understand how some far awy villages with same gotra raise genetic concerns.
Its a worst thing an individual can do ....afterwards everyone will look at sister with a different angle...so iof you are ready for it by your brothers then write again with alike content you wrote previously.
Society is like a building block : starting with individual , family , extended family , village ....so & so
Such cases can be brought to society level , but family members think it wise to check their duties firstly by themselves.
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