Sir, Totally agree with you on this excellent statement of yours.
We don't need to change the Khap or any other system but need to change our thinking with respect to the current circumstances.
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"Should the Govt amend HMA to ban 'same-gotra' marriage"?
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Sir, Totally agree with you on this excellent statement of yours.
We don't need to change the Khap or any other system but need to change our thinking with respect to the current circumstances.
sanjaymalik
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Sir, I suppose that you are well aware of the law better then me in each and every aspect of it. But biased judgement seems a far fetched arugment from your side. Evrybody knows that few people committed a crime to kill a couple and you know the consequences of murder case. Why and how it seems biased to you hardly matters when it is obvious that criminals are supposed to get punishment.
If you know so much about the law and judicial system then you may also know that clear evidences helps the case to solve in lesser period than the complicated and complex cases. Please don't try to decept yourself that the judgement is biased one as there are all the evidences available and the statements of the criminals are easily available and case gets solved within good time.
vijay first of all i make you understand clear that in such type of cold blood murder cases you will find hardly any direct evidence if someone then certainly he will not go to court for deposition. these are being decided on circustancial evidence. As per Evidence Act you can not hold gulity on the basis of accused persons own statement (that has always been recorded by police under pressure) untill and unless corroborated by some independent evidence. You can presume gulity only on the basis of circustancial evidence and a presumption is always subject to rebuttal. As per criminal law every accused persumed to be innocent and his gulit should be proved beyond reasonal doubt.
these are technicalities of law i cann't make you understand each and every things.
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sanjaymalik
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Honor killing is mostly done by family members not society and I wonder after that wat they think? Might be somewhere their false ego gets satisfied……. Or whatever but they shd understand that this is their second big defeat in the life………..
first is they could nt become gud parent and failed in giving gud “Sanskar “ and teach values in their children ,those parents could nt connect mentally with their children,most of the time faces these types of situation.
Question is normally when children take these kind of steps which makes their family insulted in front of society? Most of the time it happens only when parent and child relationship is weak and they don’t feel deep connection with each other. So who is responsible? obviously weak parenting……..
First of all ppl get failed in becoming gud parent and then do second wrong thing for their false pride Honor killing…I wonder they talk abt which honor? If u can’t become gud parent (giving birth and fulfill only basic needs most of the time parents think that’s enough they don’t have much time to spend with their children and understand their actual requirement and help them in becoming gud human being) and ur children get involved in shameful/unacceptable activity its ur fault ……… U shd punish ur self….because u r the only reason.
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exactly, concur with you sister.
yatinder19
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No...No one has any right to kill anyone...
Law provides us fundamental rights and it is our duty to respect the LAW.
Law provides us fundamental rights and it is our duty to respect the LAW.
sidchhikara
New member
There are people on this forum who are in favor of honor killing.
I don't know them personally, never met them, they have never done me any harm.
Here is what I propose --------- Kill all of them !!!
I don't know them personally, never met them, they have never done me any harm.
Here is what I propose --------- Kill all of them !!!
S
sanjeet2711
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Dear friends
i will make you remember the history of romans, end of roman era was just because they started loving and having physical relation with their own blood like brother with sister,mother with son,if steps like same gotra marriage will go ahead then we jaat also became history like romans....our future generation will be cowards, cunning n chitter......
i will make you remember the history of romans, end of roman era was just because they started loving and having physical relation with their own blood like brother with sister,mother with son,if steps like same gotra marriage will go ahead then we jaat also became history like romans....our future generation will be cowards, cunning n chitter......
This woman wages a lone battle against khaps
Top politicians kowtow to them. The police watch from a distance when they hold their mahapanchayats. Lovers shiver at their mention. But, if the dreaded khap panchayats in Haryana's badlands fear anyone, it's a 50-year-old woman — a former international volleyball player — who is contemptuous of their diktats.
Three decades ago, when three girls from rural Haryana could not join Jagmati Sangwan to represent India in volleyball for Asiad because they were married off by their parents, it marked a turning point in her career: the beginning of a long struggle against oppression of women.
It pained her when India returned with a bronze as she believed the three girls would have got the country gold. What rankled her more was the fate of numerous girls in Haryana whose cause she then took up with a gusto.
It was in 2002 that Sangwan won a major battle when she barged into a mahakhap panchayat at Sir Chhotu Ram Park in Rohtak. Khaps do not allow women into their meetings. But, Sangwan, made of sterner stuff, couldn't be pushed around. None dared ask her to leave.
Jagmati's voice against khap fatwa is so strong that she has become an eyesore for these Taliban-type courts. Irritated by her, khaps have termed her a "gang leader".
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-battle-against-khaps/articleshow/5932833.cmshttp://www.hindustantimes.com/
Top politicians kowtow to them. The police watch from a distance when they hold their mahapanchayats. Lovers shiver at their mention. But, if the dreaded khap panchayats in Haryana's badlands fear anyone, it's a 50-year-old woman — a former international volleyball player — who is contemptuous of their diktats.
Three decades ago, when three girls from rural Haryana could not join Jagmati Sangwan to represent India in volleyball for Asiad because they were married off by their parents, it marked a turning point in her career: the beginning of a long struggle against oppression of women.
It pained her when India returned with a bronze as she believed the three girls would have got the country gold. What rankled her more was the fate of numerous girls in Haryana whose cause she then took up with a gusto.
It was in 2002 that Sangwan won a major battle when she barged into a mahakhap panchayat at Sir Chhotu Ram Park in Rohtak. Khaps do not allow women into their meetings. But, Sangwan, made of sterner stuff, couldn't be pushed around. None dared ask her to leave.
Jagmati's voice against khap fatwa is so strong that she has become an eyesore for these Taliban-type courts. Irritated by her, khaps have termed her a "gang leader".
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-battle-against-khaps/articleshow/5932833.cmshttp://www.hindustantimes.com/
The strange thing is the anchor of the program did not give any reference to that poll except in his opening remarks and at the end of the program. When the program started 85% people voted as "Yes" and during the discussion it increased to 87%. This is biased anchoring. He was only interrupting Mr. Mishra and Mr. Malik and did not let them complete their argument. The language used by him was like he is a judge questioning the accused/criminals, really pathetic. I endorse fully with Naveen Jindal that we need to listen to Khaps and their point of view.
He didnt mention that vote during discussion because then he and Kirti wont have much to say. Even in the end he wasnt very excited about the result. He just said its ur verdict we salute it.
Vastav Jat New York 15/05/2010 at 09:34 am
One of the comments from readers.
Wonderful and inspiring. We need more woman like her, who could stand up against these illiterate morons who brand themselves as Khap leaders. It is just politics. Anyone who has been to Haryana knows how these Khaps are used as excuse to pressurize poor and weak. And trust me they don't have any public support, it's just a collection of people with no respect for law and they are made bold by people like Naveen Jindal. Is it difficult for Naveen to understand that times of King Asoka is gone? Wake up dude, it is 2010!! But how could you expect anything from a person who did not have to do much to achieve his position. He is lucky that he is the son of a rich guy. For these Khaps we need a strong action now, same as with that guy from Bangalore Bar Girl Bashing Party. These people are a shame on 21st century India. Who has given them right to do anything stupid like this?
One of the comments from readers.
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sanjaymalik
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---Top politicians kowtow to them. The police watch from a distance when they hold their mahapanchayats. Lovers shiver at their mention. But, if the dreaded khap panchayats in Haryana's badlands fear anyone, it's a 50-year-old woman — a former international volleyball player — who is contemptuous of their diktats.
Three decades ago, when three girls from rural Haryana could not join Jagmati Sangwan to represent India in volleyball for Asiad because they were married off by their parents, it marked a turning point in her career: the beginning of a long struggle against oppression of women.
It pained her when India returned with a bronze as she believed the three girls would have got the country gold. What rankled her more was the fate of numerous girls in Haryana whose cause she then took up with a gusto.
It was in 2002 that Sangwan won a major battle when she barged into a mahakhap panchayat at Sir Chhotu Ram Park in Rohtak. Khaps do not allow women into their meetings. But, Sangwan, made of sterner stuff, couldn't be pushed around. None dared ask her to leave.
Jagmati's voice against khap fatwa is so strong that she has become an eyesore for these Taliban-type courts. Irritated by her, khaps have termed her a "gang leader".
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-battle-against-khaps/articleshow/5932833.cmshttp://www.hindustantimes.com/
vipin this is politically motivated article in times of india, this lady favour same gotra marriage, can she justify the same she has clarified the same with a precedence and judgement of privy counsel who have no knowledge about over society and customs.
vipin this is politically motivated article in times of india, this lady favour same gotra marriage, can she justify the same she has clarified the same with a precedence and judgement of privy counsel who have no knowledge about over society and customs.
Yes Sanjay, thats what i think. I dont trust her. Just edit ur post its missing this ] in the end of quote. Then it would be easier to read.
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sanjaymalik
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even this article was written by some Bengoli writer with surname sen or some bose. Even people who are saying that Hindu after conversion can married to Muslim is also worng and same was held by Supreme court in case Sarla Mudgil case supra that already married as per hindu marriage act and then converting to islam shall not validated your marriage untill and unless earlier marriage dissolved by due process of law. in case of Chand Mohmand it's amount to bigamy.Yes Sanjay, thats what i think.
even this article was written by some Bengoli writer with surname sen or some bose. Even people who are saying that Hindu after conversion can married to Muslim is also worng and same was held by Supreme court in case Sarla Mudgil case supra that already married as per hindu marriage act and then converting to islam shall not validated your marriage untill and unless earlier marriage dissolved by due process of law. in case of Chand Mohmand it's amount to bigamy.
Good to know this but than y Chand didnt get punished by law also i read that dharmender got converted and married hema malini.
sanjaymalik
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and the same Dharmendra face trial for bigamy, i don't know u are aware about this or not, in case of chand it's his first wife who can set law into motion but she did not.Good to know this but than y Chand didnt get punished by law also i read that dharmender got converted and married hema malini.
Vipin due technicalities of law it is verly difficult to prove all these things as per Indian Evidence Act.
ravinderjeet
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jagmati sangwan become heroine because of media and she will create more problems for Jats. she is hungry for fame and media is using her for TRP ,Jat bashing. She must confess - whether she herself married her brother or whether she solemnized a marriage between her son and daughter.
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She is a jat hero and inspiration to lot of young jat woman in Haryana.
Top politicians kowtow to them. The police watch from a distance when they hold their mahapanchayats. Lovers shiver at their mention. But, if the dreaded khap panchayats in Haryana's badlands fear anyone, it's a 50-year-old woman — a former international volleyball player — who is contemptuous of their diktats.
Three decades ago, when three girls from rural Haryana could not join Jagmati Sangwan to represent India in volleyball for Asiad because they were married off by their parents, it marked a turning point in her career: the beginning of a long struggle against oppression of women.
It pained her when India returned with a bronze as she believed the three girls would have got the country gold. What rankled her more was the fate of numerous girls in Haryana whose cause she then took up with a gusto.
It was in 2002 that Sangwan won a major battle when she barged into a mahakhap panchayat at Sir Chhotu Ram Park in Rohtak. Khaps do not allow women into their meetings. But, Sangwan, made of sterner stuff, couldn't be pushed around. None dared ask her to leave.
Jagmati's voice against khap fatwa is so strong that she has become an eyesore for these Taliban-type courts. Irritated by her, khaps have termed her a "gang leader".
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-battle-against-khaps/articleshow/5932833.cmshttp://www.hindustantimes.com/
piush_tomar
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I sent this poll result link to media
I sent JL poll link to electronic and print media..starting from NDTV to Amarujala.
I sent JL poll link to electronic and print media..starting from NDTV to Amarujala.
Bahut Badiya karya Tomar bhai
But I don't have any hope from NDTV it really a New Delhi Television (Delhi main jiske Govt uska TV)...I am not sure why they call it a fatwa, they never mentioned it's a tradition we have following since thousands of years. I am not sure whether media opposed the honor killing (which I believe everyone opposed to) or are trying to facilitate brother sister marriages. Same gotra (last name) marriage are not even prevalant in Modern US or Germany etc.
But I don't have any hope from NDTV it really a New Delhi Television (Delhi main jiske Govt uska TV)...I am not sure why they call it a fatwa, they never mentioned it's a tradition we have following since thousands of years. I am not sure whether media opposed the honor killing (which I believe everyone opposed to) or are trying to facilitate brother sister marriages. Same gotra (last name) marriage are not even prevalant in Modern US or Germany etc.
upendersingh
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I sent JL poll link to electronic and print media..starting from NDTV to Amarujala.
When media will see that this poll includes just 50+ members' vote then I don't think they are going to give any importance to this sending.