"Should the Govt amend HMA to ban 'same-gotra' marriage"?

[rahulsingh2212]

bhai isi liye to kah raha hoon kuch din aur rooko........aage aage dekhna kaya hota hai.......?? Jaise jaise communication aur technology ki speed aur fast hogi har cheej ki speed badhegi..jo speed nahin badayega uska haal dekhna kaya hoga..khud soch lo........??

 

[vicky84]

Chaalo humnai bera laag gaya...thanks for sharing ur knowledge...and advice...

 

[rahulsingh2212]

Atish Mohan

Daaki taine to bahut speed badha li pehlam hai AUST pahoonch gaya ........ha ha ha

 

[vicky84]

Tere barge bhai Salah de de hain bhai..ke karoonnn...

 

[piyush23]

bhai isi liye to kah raha hoon kuch din aur rooko........aage aage dekhna kaya hota hai.......?? Jaise jaise communication aur technology ki speed aur fast hogi har cheej ki speed badhegi..jo speed nahin badayega uska haal dekhna kaya hoga..khud soch lo........??

Humain hamara aur hamari cast ka hall achi taraha malum ha...... Itihas gawaha ha hum pahale bhi ruler the aaj bhi hain aur aage bhi rahenge........ Jab mugal aur angrej bhi hamari sanskriti ko mita nahin sake...... Jaise unhone rajputon ki mitadi ......
Rajputon ne pahale muglon ko apni bahan beti de di...... Jab angrej aaye to sabse pahale unke angregi rang main rajpoot hi range the...... Unki halat aaj dekh le.
jab muglaon aur angragon ke dabav main bhi humne apne rivaj nahin badle to in kale angregon ki kya aukat ha......inko bhi dekh lenge.

 

[ravichaudhary]

Rahul Singh is entitled to his views.


Please keep discussion to issues.

No personal attacks

Ravi Chaudhary

 

[ravichaudhary]

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Ravi Chaudhary

 

[vijay123]

Totally agree with you here.

Ours is a male dominated society and that's why the boy side of family try to protect him and the girls side of family tries to kill both boy and the girl under society's pressure in the name of honor. Take the example of Manoj and Babli, the only same gotra marriage we know so far and which have created all this storm.

Both got married as per law and family of both were against the marriage. Both were killed later by girl's family. A panchyat was held and they boycotted the boy's family and restricted anyone to have any contact with boy's family and fined a 25000 Rs on anyone who have contact with them. Now thing to notice is that why the girl's family is not penalized? Because they killed the couple. If they would not have killed the couple then the panchayat would have fined them too.

Now Khap's say they never ordered any honor killings. They are right, they never did but they create these circumstances of direct threat of punishment and reward to families. They are punishing boy;s family for not carrying out the killings and rewarding girls family by providing them all sort of assistance starting from coercing boy's family to withdraw the case, bribing here and there and now collecting 10 Rs. I am sure even girl's family wont kill if they know that they wont be boycotted or penalized by others living in the village. There are so many cases where girl marries out of caste and families severe any sort of contact with the girl. That is what I believe families would do in such cases rather than killing them with their own hands.

I also feel that it must be a very hard thing for a parent to kill their own child but some points raise some doubts in me.
In most cases it is the daughter who is killed by the males of the family. Could the reason be that many a times, males and females of the family are not that compassionately related. More over generally the people involved are some cousins/relatives (who probably have not even known the girl that well) or young brothers who might be easier to brain wash/provoke about the false sense of honour and are not as mature as the parents. The way I have seen some people talking of killing, I didn't feel that they were full of love for their daughers/sisters/relatives.

The people who even in principle support honour killing are also very much responsible for this practice because it is because of such people that the family feels the presure. The proportion of these supporters is quite large in rural areas.

Also the fact that they feel that they have an option of killing is dangerous. They have to be made to realize that pressure or no pressure, they don't the option of killing. These points might look naive and ridiculous to people here who mostly probably come from nice and educated families but I get these feelings from looking at people in the rural areas.

 

[sjakhars]

The strange thing is the anchor of the program did not give any reference to that poll except in his opening remarks and at the end of the program. When the program started 85% people voted as "Yes" and during the discussion it increased to 87%. This is biased anchoring. He was only interrupting Mr. Mishra and Mr. Malik and did not let them complete their argument. The language used by him was like he is a judge questioning the accused/criminals, really pathetic. I endorse fully with Naveen Jindal that we need to listen to Khaps and their point of view.

 

[vijay]

Thanks for the concurrence, it was partial though , I never wished to brand anyone into a stereotype and if am advocating a centrist approach then this itself means accounting for contradictory views and reaching out for a pragmatic and mutually agreed solution.

To be clear: A rightist is someone for whom (as you put it beautifully)- OLD is gold (whether it glitters or not is of little importance to these guys ) and a leftist is so called liberal (whether neo or from old school of thought in liberalism) for whom it’s fashionable to look down upon anything that our grandparents did . Let us preserve what is good (assayed based on the scientific tools and age old experience we have today) and discard what is Bad-against basic human rights. In fact in my previous post I clearly put across examples of what is rightist and what is leftist..here it goes again:

“Let us preserve what is good & scientific (e.g.: avoidance of gotras to rule out inbreeding, age old ayurvedic healing methods, altruistic attitude of jats et al) and let us overcome what is bad (like honour killings, female feticide..)”

Every approach is good provided that they are open to listen and authenticate the right things pointed out by the people who belongs to other different thought processes. But its not happening, most of the thought schools are discarding the point of views of other genre in one or another. Most of the people seems to contradict their own statements for the sake of argument only.

People claim to follow the thousands years old customs, traditions and beliefs but on another day they start questioning the existance of vedic concepts. People claim to be so modern and scientific that they don't believe in the existance of God but next day they will start talking about Paap and Punya and their after-effects. On the other hand, people who strongly believe in tha purity of Jat DNA and supreme characteristics possessed by a BORN Jat would start rating human beings according to their Karma. The solely aim is not to defend one's school of thought but is to attack on other school of thoughts to gain advantage but ended up contradicting their own statements.

Theories of Science and Religion are being amended in every alternative posts and are being brought back to previous status in the next statement.

For people, A murder may be thing of pride or a shameful act, all depends on the fact that what is their mood today.

 

[sanjaymalik]

same gortra marriages should be abolished through amendment in Hindu Marriage Act or by constituting a committee on this issue at village level with some educated folks, such committe will keep watch on this and whenever there will need rise infromed khap panchayat(should also be constituted with highly educated and think tank having sound understanding of our culture instead of inheritance) about the same so as the khap panchayat be able to take action, or consult with the both the families and spouse if love angle is involved. To consult them that this is not fair in the interest of society and even medically/genetically for the couples or make them understand about our culture or long standing customs in this regard.

 

[sanjaymalik]

Same gotra marriages are not allowed in many castes in north India, this problem has come up in Haryana, Haryana has jat CM, amendment can be done to this Act by the State also, I am 100% sure, if mr Hooda adventures to amend, He will be able to do & will be hero for not only jats but other communities of Haryana.

Uncle ji do u really consider B.P HOODA as Jat CM, I don't think so. Both father and son are dakiya of madam Soniya instead of CM. is there clue about the view of our Hon'ble Jat CM on this issue. a big NO NO No?.

 

[sanjaymalik]

hi,,
When things like honor killing comes up in news,,its really sad to hear..We all get to hear that economy is booming,,there is growth happening ..but somewhere down the line there is stagnancy in peoples mind..they dont want to change..Killing a person brutally is in human..No person has any right to take anyones life..Its god gift..Its shame on the so called society..Just a bunch of people can not take a decision abt a human life..Its sick..I totally condemn it..people should evolve as a human..Academics is of no use,,If it does not make u a better human being..Its sad,,but many educated people are also in favor of such killing..for them its a matter of PRIDE..

No certainly, Honour killing is not justified at all, everybody have right to life.
but do your really think that fatwa of honour killin has been issued by society, no society has issued or ordered for honour killing, it's prerogative of concerned family. it's very bad to alleged society for honour killing.society has not murdered or killed anyone, it's the family of those concerned deceased couples.

 

[vijay]

but do your really think that fatwa of honour killin has been issued by society, no society has issued or ordered for honour killing, it's prerogative of concerned family. it's very bad to alleged society for honour killing.society has not murdered or killed anyone, it's the family of those concerned deceased couples

No, Society ( read Khaps ) didn't issued any fatwa to do honor killing but they appreciate and motivate people to do this.

By questioning the judge's decision about the judgement against the murderers they are just having the fun .... right ?

The disgusting decision of Collecting Rs. 10/- from people is for the investment in the jat pride instead of helping the criminals .... right ?

So called Society is boycotting the boy's family ONLY but not of girl's family because girl's family is involved in honor killing ..... why not they are boycotting girl's family .... if its a sin then it is done by both boy and girl ... if they include families ... then both families ... then why boy's family is suffering the heat but nor girl's family.

Above all, we never heard that these Khaps ever condemned 'Honor Killing' but supporting it in one way or other.

 

[sanjaymalik]

No, Society ( read Khaps ) .

Above all, we never heard that these Khaps ever condemned 'Honor Killing' but supporting it in one way or other.

i think by collecting this they are not supporting honour killing. what they are supporting which happened wrong, the erroniouse/baised judgement of give life santance within 3 years where it takes so much time to concluded trial in important matters. have you ever been heard that society or khap have ordered of murder of any persons or couple.certainly not or even conspired about the same or providing means for the same.

 

[vijay]

Uncle ji do u really consider B.P HOODA as Jat CM, I don't think so. Both father and son are dakiya of madam Soniya instead of CM. is there clue about the view of our Hon'ble Jat CM on this issue. a big NO NO No?.

Agree with you that both father and son are pony of Her Highness.

 

[vijay]

i think by collecting this they are not supporting honour killing. what they are supporting which happened wrong, the erroniouse/baised judgement of give life santance within 3 years where it takes so much time to concluded trial in important matters. have you ever been heard that society or khap have ordered of murder of any persons or couple.certainly not or even conspired about the same or providing means for the same.

Sir, I suppose that you are well aware of the law better then me in each and every aspect of it. But biased judgement seems a far fetched arugment from your side. Evrybody knows that few people committed a crime to kill a couple and you know the consequences of murder case. Why and how it seems biased to you hardly matters when it is obvious that criminals are supposed to get punishment.

If you know so much about the law and judicial system then you may also know that clear evidences helps the case to solve in lesser period than the complicated and complex cases. Please don't try to decept yourself that the judgement is biased one as there are all the evidences available and the statements of the criminals are easily available and case gets solved within good time.

 

[vijay]

same gortra marriages should be abolished through amendment in Hindu Marriage Act or by constituting a committee on this issue at village level with some educated folks, such committe will keep watch on this and whenever there will need rise infromed khap panchayat(should also be constituted with highly educated and think tank having sound understanding of our culture instead of inheritance) about the same so as the khap panchayat be able to take action, or consult with the both the families and spouse if love angle is involved. To consult them that this is not fair in the interest of society and even medically/genetically for the couples or make them understand about our culture or long standing customs in this regard.

Sir, We ( Jats ) expect some reasonable and practical solution from a well qualified and innovative thinker like you instead of this out of question remedy.

 

[vineetaenator]

Honor killing is mostly done by family members not society and I wonder after that wat they think? Might be somewhere their false ego gets satisfied……. Or whatever but they shd understand that this is their second big defeat in the life………..

first is they could nt become gud parent and failed in giving gud “Sanskar “ and teach values in their children ,those parents could nt connect mentally with their children,most of the time faces these types of situation.

Question is normally when children take these kind of steps which makes their family insulted in front of society? Most of the time it happens only when parent and child relationship is weak and they don’t feel deep connection with each other. So who is responsible? obviously weak parenting……..

First of all ppl get failed in becoming gud parent and then do second wrong thing for their false pride Honor killing…I wonder they talk abt which honor? If u can’t become gud parent (giving birth and fulfill only basic needs most of the time parents think that’s enough they don’t have much time to spend with their children and understand their actual requirement and help them in becoming gud human being) and ur children get involved in shameful/unacceptable activity its ur fault ……… U shd punish ur self….because u r the only reason.

Here everyone claims we r Jaats superior then others. Is this a sign of superiority punishing others for ur mistake? We will be superior in real meaning only when there won’t be any honor killing, No need for any change in marriage act etc if we all will follow our customs willingly …….This can be done only when each person will understand their responsibility and spread awareness with humanity ………..

 

[sanjaymalik]

Sir, We ( Jats ) expect some reasonable and practical solution from a well qualified and innovative thinker like you instead of this out of question remedy.

Vijay i am talking about constitution of committee for the issue if option of amendment is not worked out. What kind of action? not any harrassment and killing( by family itself) , but in terms of consultation, persuation of agrieved persons or couples who are blind in love without considering the consequences. it is worth mentioning that such marriage happen only out of love and arrange.
There is such committee in my own village for Malik gotra. and same is working properly.Also replace these khaps based on inheritance by some educated peoples with sound knowledge of our culture and understading.