"Should the Govt amend HMA to ban 'same-gotra' marriage"?

[ravichaudhary]

She is a jat hero and inspiration to lot of young jat woman in Haryana.

Vijay

Why do feel she is a hero?

Secondly , do you accept the story at face value?

If the Jat Panchayats , were so bloody minded, as she is portraying, do you think, she would/could have escaped their alleged "" wrath""?



Ravi Chaudhary

 

[ravichaudhary]

Vastav Jat New York 15/05/2010 at 09:34 am




One of the comments from readers.

VP sahib

What is the point of copying and pasting this comment?

The site policy does not encourage sheer copying and pasting.

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Do you know if he/she exists?

If people must cut N paste, please also give your commentary/arguments .

We hope to learn from commentary.

Ravi Chaudhary

 

[vijay123]

Ravi sir,

She is doing commendable work by standing for people for which no other would have come forward. She is fighting for several causes which includes girls education, female foeticide, and also justice for those couples who have been murdered in the name of honor killing. Ours is a society where there is a scope of lots of improvement when it comes to women. I dont think even she agrees to same gotra marriages, as I have not seen her supporting the same but expressing her views more towards opposition of killings. Now she is portrayed as the one opposing khaps which I dont believe is the case as I have seen her urging khap panchayats to work towards other social causes that are going to help a larger section rather than concentrating on few incidents. We should see it from the perspective of a women too. For men, issues and priorities are different and for women they are different. They face much more issues affecting them directly than say same gotra marriages. Why would they put their energies on it when they have other issues affecting them.

Vijay

Why do feel she is a hero?

Secondly , do you accept the story at face value?

If the Jat Panchayats , were so bloody minded, as she is portraying, do you think, she would/could have escaped their alleged "" wrath""?



Ravi Chaudhary

 

[virj]

She is a jat hero and inspiration to lot of young jat woman in Haryana.

Vijay, She is not a all a hero in fact to me she is a villian. She is just trying to get some political mileage by portraying jats & khaps as anti-dalits and comparing them as equivalent to talibans.
She said" at this time people in haryana are not prepared to marry within same gotra"? What she mean ?

Moreover if she get only more than 2% votes of jat woman in haryana I would be surprised. So how come she is a hero?

The reason why i pasted the article is because people understand her political or hidden motive not because i believe in this.

 

[virj]

and the same Dharmendra face trial for bigamy, i don't know u are aware about this or not, in case of chand it's his first wife who can set law into motion but she did not.
Vipin due technicalities of law it is verly difficult to prove all these things as per Indian Evidence Act.

Thanks Sanjay. Not only this make sense to me but you have also cleared a point that you cant just get converted and take advantage of law. Also I know that lot of muslim imams has opposed the conversion just for marriage.

 

[piush_tomar]

When media will see that this poll includes just 50+ members' vote then I don't think they are going to give any importance to this sending.

Upender,

This is not just 50 Jats but they shld know that we JAT know about false propoganda spreading by Media. Unko Pata hona chahiye unki har harkat par hamari nigha hey. below is today TOI news: http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Dail...T=true&login=default&pub=TOI&AW=1273713906875

 

[singhvp]

She is a jat hero and inspiration to lot of young jat woman in Haryana.

Those who have objection to her writings and statements, can dare her for a debate in a decent manner. Alternatively, they can go and file a defamation case instead of burning their calories in anger. From our roof-top we can cry foul about anyone which may, perhaps, give some solace to our soul. According to some brothers, media is against us, Jagmati is against us, Brahimins are against us, Harijans are against us, Gujjar are jealous of us. Who is with us? If no one, then we seriously need introspection and mend our ways.

 

[singhvp]

VP sahib

What is the point of copying and pasting this comment?

The site policy does not encourage sheer copying and pasting.

Are you trying to convey a message? Do you agree with the poster" Vastav Jat"? Do you disagree?

Do you know if he/she exists?

If people must cut N paste, please also give your commentary/arguments .

We hope to learn from commentary.

Ravi Chaudhary

Ravi Sahab,

Are you really against the practice of copy and paste? Or you are selective in your approach? I think, this paste was a rejoinder to another copy and paste carried by the same newspaper (reokues/comments of readers). Are you sure, I am the one and only who has committed this crime? If this is the case, please delete my post. Your instructions have been noted for future compliance. I am glad to note that you will discourage this practice. I will support your endeavor. I do sincerely hope that you would also discourage people who have been indulging in personal attacks, disguised intimidation and cheap sarcasm if someone does not agree with them.

Having said this, I may clarify that I am taking your views in right perspective as someone has to be around to guide the flock in right direction.

Regards

 

[samarkadian]

Lately south Indian actress Khusboo joined DMK on a conscience call to serve people. After one garners enough attention [ of any kind ] alike Khusboo their conscience forces them to join active politics. But the prelude was pretty controversial and intentional. She advocated the right to practise pre-marital intercourse in her pre planned scheme of things. It is very easy first to hit at mass's belief , make oneself notice in moronic media and then dream of an election ticket. Jagmati Sangwan is north Indian Khusboo planning for next assembly and parliamentary elections. Her conscience is divine you know. She can see a seat in house. No harm in that but at what cost or thought?

Can't she work for women without ridiculing majority's beliefs ?

Has she some personal issues to settle in the disguise of this hullabullo?

May be, you never know.

 

[rakeshsehrawat]

Lately south Indian actress Khusboo joined DMK on a conscience call to serve people. After one garners enough attention [ of any kind ] alike Khusboo their conscience forces them to join active politics. But the prelude was pretty controversial and intentional. She advocated the right to practise pre-marital intercourse in her pre planned scheme of things. It is very easy first to hit at mass's belief , make oneself notice in moronic media and then dream of an election ticket. Jagmati Sangwan is north Indian Khusboo planning for next assembly and parliamentary elections. Her conscience is divine you know. She can see a seat in house. No harm in that but at what cost or thought?

Can't she work for women without ridiculing majority's beliefs ?

Has she some personal issues to settle in the disguise of this hullabullo?

May be, you never know.

Gadad ke uchle tein ber nahi paka karte
Pehli baat to koye party itnee bewkoof nahi jo usne ticket de de
Doosri baat je ticket de bhi di ya wa nirdaliya khadi hoyee to usne Vote kun dega?

Man tein ek mota beham aur kadh dyo
Bahman ar baniye bhi ek gotra mein biyah nahi karte. Ye gotra wala system UP Bihar aur Punjab mein bhi hai Except Muslims and Refugis nobody allows same gotra marriege.

 

[vikasgulia]

Every approach is good provided that they are open to listen and authenticate the right things pointed out by the people who belongs to other different thought processes. But its not happening, most of the thought schools are discarding the point of views of other genre in one or another. Most of the people seems to contradict their own statements for the sake of argument only.

People claim to follow the thousands years old customs, traditions and beliefs but on another day they start questioning the existance of vedic concepts. People claim to be so modern and scientific that they don't believe in the existance of God but next day they will start talking about Paap and Punya and their after-effects. On the other hand, people who strongly believe in tha purity of Jat DNA and supreme characteristics possessed by a BORN Jat would start rating human beings according to their Karma. The solely aim is not to defend one's school of thought but is to attack on other school of thoughts to gain advantage but ended up contradicting their own statements.

Theories of Science and Religion are being amended in every alternative posts and are being brought back to previous status in the next statement.

For people, A murder may be thing of pride or a shameful act, all depends on the fact that what is their mood today.

सही कहा! हहाहाहा इसे घूमंतू और मूडी प्राणियों को तो गोला लाठी देके गेर दो ...कर ते रहंगे सारी कशमकश ...

 

[hemanthooda]

Killing is a strict no...Social Boycot/Isolation should be prefered to send right signal.....

 

[hemanthooda]

He was biased!!!!Bera naa kis kis nai bula raha tha program mein.....Aur jab Panditji Jawab dewai the tab unko mauka na dewai tha bolan ka!!!

He didnt mention that vote during discussion because then he and Kirti wont have much to say. Even in the end he wasnt very excited about the result. He just said its ur verdict we salute it.

 

[sjakhars]

Even our own Jatland members have not taken any notice of the poll results. They keep discussing same point again and again but they can not look at the poll and its results. Beat around the bush, do not make conclusive statements about your argument and keep it going forever.

 

[sjakhars]

Even some Jats are not with Jats.
By the way, that Mr. Mishra was supprting not to marry in same gotra in that NDTV hindi video. Gurjars follow the same traditions, Rajputs follow the same. Even the Saini's (Mali) follow this gotra system.

Jagmati Sangwan has a right to cry foul and the same has other Jats.

Those who have objection to her writings and statements, can dare her for a debate in a decent manner. Alternatively, they can go and file a defamation case instead of burning their calories in anger. From our roof-top we can cry foul about anyone which may, perhaps, give some solace to our soul. According to some brothers, media is against us, Jagmati is against us, Brahimins are against us, Harijans are against us, Gujjar are jealous of us. Who is with us? If no one, then we seriously need introspection and mend our ways.

 

[singhvp]

Even some Jats are not with Jats.
By the way, that Mr. Mishra was supprting not to marry in same gotra in that NDTV hindi video. Gurjars follow the same traditions, Rajputs follow the same. Even the Saini's (Mali) follow this gotra system.

Jagmati Sangwan has a right to cry foul and the same has other Jats.

Because everyone is not a blind follower? By the way what kind of support you need from 'some' people? Do you need them to vote for you in some election or join you in some fight against media/other communities or any other kind of support? Please be specific and clarify indicating your expectations so that necessary action can be taken to teach a lesson to those 'some' people. I am sure 'some' people will support you if you are fighting for a noble cause and you are able to convince them. Moreover, difference of opinion is always there. You should not be perturbed with the opinion of 'some' people who are in minority and cannot stop you in accomplishment of your Mission.

Wish you all success in your Mission.

 

[sjakhars]

I just added only 1 extra number in your long list who do not support Jats, nothing else and I think I have a right to express myself as you and all others have. for me, I do not need any one's support for me, I have my stand and I stick to it, you agree with it or not its your choice, I have nothing to do with that.
Nothing peronal in it.

Because everyone is not a blind follower? By the way what kind of support you need from 'some' people? Do you need them to vote for you in some election or join you for some fight or any other kind of support? Please clarify and indicate your expectations so that necessary action can be taken to teach a lesson to those 'some' people.

 

[rakeshsehrawat]

Because everyone is not a blind follower? By the way what kind of support you need from 'some' people? Do you need them to vote for you in some election or join you for some fight or any other kind of support? Please clarify and indicate your expectations so that necessary action can be taken to teach a lesson to those 'some' people.

Hmm
Sab kaam election ladan khater nahi kare jaya karte Uncle ji.
He is just askin to support our traditions and rules it is much more bigger then ELECTION.
You are also exception and not neccessary that action should be taken against anyone exceptions have a different society(Social circle).


Ib jat Kukreja aali jagah lewenge dikhe hai.

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?9798-Choudhary-V-s-Kukreja&highlight=Scooter
http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?28979-tau-nathu&highlight=Scooter

एक बै ताऊ नत्थु अपणे लम्बरेटा स्कूटर पै बजार जावै था।राह मैँ स्कूटर खराब हो ग्या।ताऊ कई देर तक किक मारदा मारदा घणा परेशान हो रया था।इतणै मैँ उसका पङोसी कुकरेजा साहब जो कि उस्सै रास्ते पै जावै था,बोल्या," के बात चौधरी साब?खराब हो ग्या के?
ताऊ फटाफट बोल्या,"फेर के होग्या? पाछले साल थारी बी तो छोरी भाजगी थी।"
कुकरेजा साहब घणा हैरान परेशान हो कै बोल्या,"चौधरी साब मेरा मतलब......."
ताऊ बोल्या,"अरै छोडडे न मतलब नै!सीधी सी बात सै कै वो थारा नुकसान था अर यो म्हारा नुकसान।​

 

[virj]

Hmm
Sab kaam election ladan khater nahi kare jaya karte Uncle ji.

I am sorry about this "silly" post of mine. But I couldnt stop laughing for a while @rakesh ----

 

[vijay]

Even our own Jatland members have not taken any notice of the poll results. They keep discussing same point again and again but they can not look at the poll and its results. Beat around the bush, do not make conclusive statements about your argument and keep it going forever.

Oh Really Jakhar Ji !

So, what do you think ? 15 votes out of (800+ views) should be considered as conclusive to stop discussing and ready to go for the Amendment in HMA.