Jat was a caste or Jat means King or Ksetriya in ancient History.

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Some Historian mention we were come from Rome, Some were mentioned we are Aryan and comes from Madhya Asia or from Iran and Some were mentioned we were come from China.

Our Gotra are found in Rajput's,Ahir's,Gujjar's, Maratha's, Braman's in hindu's and also Musli's, Sikh's are mentioning the same even I found the some Gotra's are in Europ's.

I am watching ancient History of above mentioned Caste's. They all are adding the same gotra's as well as Vansha's (Suryavansh, Chandravansa, Agnivansha and Nagvansha) in their history.

I think before 5th century there were only Saka's, Varna's and Vansha's in India.
 
bhai rakesh dhaka pahalam tein-a iss pey bhateri kitaab sein er JL pe bhi ghanaa saaraa masodaa padyaa s padhan khaatar eeh pe thread CHALAAWAN ki KIMMEY JAROORAT TO NAA LAAGI.
 
Some Historian mention we were come from Rome, Some were mentioned we are Aryan and comes from Madhya Asia or from Iran and Some were mentioned we were come from China.

Our Gotra are found in Rajput's,Ahir's,Gujjar's, Maratha's, Braman's in hindu's and also Musli's, Sikh's are mentioning the same even I found the some Gotra's are in Europ's.

I am watching ancient History of above mentioned Caste's. They all are adding the same gotra's as well as Vansha's (Suryavansh, Chandravansa, Agnivansha and Nagvansha) in their history.

I think before 5th century there were only Saka's, Varna's and Vansha's in India.


Go through this ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jat_people

and

http://www.jatland.com/home/History
 
Bhai ravinder oor Devender,
Yo sirf Jatland ke upper feed ki gai aakeli history ka saawal nahi hai mai total hiatory ki baat kar raha hu.
Yeh sirf itni si baat nahi hai, Kiya hame ancient Indian history main yeh history padhai jati hai college's oor Universitie's main.
Jab ham Col.James Todd ki likhi hui history ke aage jate hain to samaj main kuch aise hi aata hai.
Hame yahan 5th century ke baad ka hi padaya jata hai.
Yadi hame Jat Itihas ko School, College oor Universities tak pahuchana hai to Itihas ka Gahan aadeyan bahut jaruri hai oor Itihas ke sabse aache tathye Budist oor chinees Itihas main chupe hai. Joki 1st century se 5th century ke madhye tak ka hai oor yeh Rajput ward ke istemal se pahle ka hai.
Hamare aander se Rajput, Gujjar, Ahir, Marathe, Ror aadi jaatian nikali hai.
 
Bhai ravinder oor Devender,
Yo sirf Jatland ke upper feed ki gai aakeli history ka saawal nahi hai mai total hiatory ki baat kar raha hu.
Yeh sirf itni si baat nahi hai, Kiya hame ancient Indian history main yeh history padhai jati hai college's oor Universitie's main.
Jab ham Col.James Todd ki likhi hui history ke aage jate hain to samaj main kuch aise hi aata hai.
Hame yahan 5th century ke baad ka hi padaya jata hai.
Yadi hame Jat Itihas ko School, College oor Universities tak pahuchana hai to Itihas ka Gahan aadeyan bahut jaruri hai oor Itihas ke sabse aache tathye Budist oor chinees Itihas main chupe hai. Joki 1st century se 5th century ke madhye tak ka hai oor yeh Rajput ward ke istemal se pahle ka hai.
Hamare aander se Rajput, Gujjar, Ahir, Marathe, Ror aadi jaatian nikali hai.
rakesh bhai aap ki baat sahi hey ye sab jo itihaas padhaayaa jataa hey wo nakli hey.ab ek sidhi si baat hey itihaas me padhaayaa gyaa hey ki dili par 900 saal tak tomar rajvansh kaa sashan thaa ,par ye kanhi nahi likhaa ki wey jat they.
mere vichaar se aarakhan paraapat karney ki bajaaye isko hataane aur sahi itihaas padhaaney ke liye aandolan chalaanaa chaahiye
 
Bhai Ravinderji,
Bhai hame pahle itihas likhna padega jo referance's ke saath hoga oor uuse university libarerie's ko uplabh karvaaya jayga.
Purane oor Iss Itihas ke beech bahas hogi aapne aap sabh padne laag jaainge.
Lekin saabse pahle to haame poore tathion ki jaankare to ho jise aage badhaya ja sake.
 
Bhai Ravinderji,
Bhai hame pahle itihas likhna padega jo referance's ke saath hoga oor uuse university libarerie's ko uplabh karvaaya jayga.
Purane oor Iss Itihas ke beech bahas hogi aapne aap sabh padne laag jaainge.
Lekin saabse pahle to haame poore tathion ki jaankare to ho jise aage badhaya ja sake.

iss barey me aapko sahi jaankaari aur sahaaytaa,ravi choudhary aur burdak ji de saktey hein.
 
iss barey me aapko sahi jaankaari aur sahaaytaa,ravi choudhary aur burdak ji de saktey hein.
Ravinderjeet ji..don't expecta reply so soon from Ravi ji and others. They are just focusing on "present", pushing back the "History" agenda for few days. There are some serious concerns nowadays as" jat reservation", "amendment in Hindu marriage act", " combating with media for presenting the bad image of jat community and khaps", "tracking the subhash yadav responsible for firing on a Jat boy" and a newly one added " insult of seth chajju ram by cyrus broacha". Hope you understand!! they are in crunch and I hope they are doing their best to break off these impediments and this is the demand of time "concentrate on present rather than wasing your energy on past"
 
Past is must required for present situation. If we were one in the past than how we can separate in present.This is onle 08 to 10 hours exercise to know your past.If you rquired your energe for present " History is main source for your energe ".
We were the worriers,First builder and king of the India.We were able and we are able to fight for our right.
JAT's were the first introducer of wheat in India which are eating the complete India.If we fighted for our mother land or our nation.Why we are not fighting with a unity for our right.This is the fight to fit our caste in central OBC list not only for Harayana OBC list. Rajasthan,UP,Delhi,Madhya Pradesh,J & K,Himanchal Pradesh and Punjab are not fighting with Haryana JAT's like Gujjar's.
 
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Dhaka Sahib is doing just fine, exploring history.

He is aware of the books and material on this site.

Some conclusions can only be made after one has gone through the journey of exploration.

If he needs specific help, he will ask for it and will receive it

Best regards to all, and best wishes to him on his journey

Ravi Chaudhary
 
Ravinderjeet ji..don't expecta reply so soon from Ravi ji and others. They are just focusing on "present", pushing back the "History" agenda for few days. There are some serious concerns nowadays as" jat reservation", "amendment in Hindu marriage act", " combating with media for presenting the bad image of jat community and khaps", "tracking the subhash yadav responsible for firing on a Jat boy" and a newly one added " insult of seth chajju ram by cyrus broacha". Hope you understand!! they are in crunch and I hope they are doing their best to break off these impediments and this is the demand of time "concentrate on present rather than wasing your energy on past"

At least I understand !

But i miserably failed to understand that whether THEY want our History to take care of our future or our Future to take care of our History.
 
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Vijay


Prashant is being humourous.

Let it be


On a more general note- We want people to participate.

They are welcome to approach our history from any angle, whichever angle they are familiar with and comfortable with.

Individuals will have own take, their own views.

Out of their exploration will new facts and versions arise.

They should enjoy reading and thinking about history. We will help, wiithout trying to force down one particular view.

Ravi Chaudhary
 
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Vijay


Prashant is being humourous.

Let it be


On a more general note- We want people to participate.

They are welcome to approach our history from any angle, whichever angle they are familiar with and comfortable with.

Individuals will have own take, their own views.

Out of their exploration will new facts and versions arise.

They should enjoy reading and thinking about history. We will help, wiithout trying to force down one particular view.

Ravi Chaudhary

You are right Sir !

He is too humorous to think upon.

WE don't force down any particular views except those WE DON'T LIKE.
 
Past is must required for present situation. If we were one in the past than how we can separate in present.This is onle 08 to 10 hours exercise to know your past.If you rquired your energe for present " History is main source for your energe ".
We were the worriers,First builder and king of the India.We were able and we are able to fight for our right.
JAT's were the first introducer of wheat in India which are eating the complete India.If we fighted for our mother land or our nation.Why we are not fighting with a unity for our right.This is the fight to fit our caste in central OBC list not only for Harayana OBC list. Rajasthan,UP,Delhi,Madhya Pradesh,J & K,Himanchal Pradesh and Punjab are not fighting with Haryana JAT's like Gujjar's.

dhaka sahab !! ...you need just 8-10 hours to explore everything about Jat history....great!!....there have been people who have spent their entire life in searching the historical facts , still they lack in evidences to prove their theories....so you want to pull together the "facts" or just building a mountain of imaginations arounbd youself.??.......you talk about the ancient history that is absolutely vague..only reading some links will not suffice the purpose if you are truly interested ...

Anyway, if you have completed your 8-10 hours exercise..please share some knowledge in your own words.. question is ...Jats originated from Aryans or Scythians?
 
Vijay


Prashant is being humourous.

Let it be


On a more general note- We want people to participate.

They are welcome to approach our history from any angle, whichever angle they are familiar with and comfortable with.

Individuals will have own take, their own views.

Out of their exploration will new facts and versions arise.

They should enjoy reading and thinking about history. We will help, wiithout trying to force down one particular view.

Ravi Chaudhary

Ravi Ji, I am wondering where was the Humor?.. I am really interested in knowing our history ... If I have raised several objections in past on the material posted in jat history that does not mean I come in this section to impersonate you and others... I observed that you are swamped in some "real-time issues" nowadays ...so replied in that way....neither it was a deliberate conspiracy not it was humorous.... but I think at your end, some past memories have encroached your mind so intensely that you can't transcend ....A historian should be open for facts not for imaginations..
Regards,
 
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Past is must required for present situation. If we were one in the past than how we can separate in present.This is onle 08 to 10 hours exercise to know your past.If you rquired your energe for present " History is main source for your energe ".
We were the worriers,First builder and king of the India.We were able and we are able to fight for our right.
JAT's were the first introducer of wheat in India which are eating the complete India.If we fighted for our mother land or our nation.Why we are not fighting with a unity for our right.This is the fight to fit our caste in central OBC list not only for Harayana OBC list. Rajasthan,UP,Delhi,Madhya Pradesh,J & K,Himanchal Pradesh and Punjab are not fighting with Haryana JAT's like Gujjar's.

Utter bullshit ... baseless claim ... If you are so sure abt who introduced wheat in India then u must know everything abt Jats and their history. I believe, introduction of wheat is far more old than Jats themselves. What are you looking for then? Please be sensible and think once again what you claim and what you are asking for.
Grow up guys ...
 
Past is must required for present situation. If we were one in the past than how we can separate in present.This is onle 08 to 10 hours exercise to know your past.If you rquired your energe for present " History is main source for your energe ".
We were the worriers,First builder and king of the India.We were able and we are able to fight for our right.



JAT's were the first introducer of wheat in India which are eating the complete India.If we fighted for our mother land or our nation.Why we are not fighting with a unity for our right.This is the fight to fit our caste in central OBC list not only for Harayana OBC list. Rajasthan,UP,Delhi,Madhya Pradesh,J & K,Himanchal Pradesh and Punjab are not fighting with Haryana JAT's like Gujjar's.

Dhaka Saheb,

I found myself medicaly unfit to understand the glory from past and its infered essence to the reservation. KIngs/builders and many other proud adjectives you used and then turned in to a begger for reservation. You are presently proud of history but seems not to get inspired or moved with the honour but blindly relying at the plea of reservation! Never seen Kings behaving like shameless whinning creatures.

What is an irony?
 
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First of all we all are w'd like to know our past or our actual History and how we will apply our past in our future.It is question of debate because some of our friend's are thinking possitive and some are thinking negative and debate is very necessary for clearity.
Note:- I am not very good in english as well as in computer skill.
I am answaring one-by-one.
1.If we Scythians than we are Roaman and Roaman's are founder of Wheat and they were super engineer's as well as worrior's.
2.If we are Aryan than we are able to get best result through limited sources(ability to survive and wherever,in any conditions by hard working) and we are best in socialism for development by the help of each other.
3.If we are Yue-zhi"s/Kushan's than we are founder of paper.We are good at calculation and we are good in architecture.

We all are not Historian but we are able read our history from some websites like :-
www.imninalu.net/Eurasians.htm(Eurasians) ,books.google.co.in/books?isbn=8126909080...(Origins and History of Jats and Other Allied Nomadic Tribes of India - Google Books Result) or good writer"s of our history on jatland and take conclusion from tham.

As per above mentioned history we were they king of ancient India and in the middle of 5th and 6th centure one word were introduced by the brahman"Rajput".They chose some person's from us as Rajput's this was the down term of Gupt kaal.Please compare the Vansha/Gotra/Varna/Saka/Caste System and custom's with us and Rajput and other caste's like Gujjar's and Rod's.
Col. James Todd's History is not anciant history. Col. James Todd wrote his history after production of Rajput word by the Brahman"s(Brahamano ka 40 din ka yagya Abu parvat par or Rajputoon ki utpatti).
Rajput distroyed our kingdom's through their mischieviousness and with the help of muslim's and also with the help of english company.They captured our kingdom's, after capturing the same we were kishan"s in Rajasthan,Madhya Pradesh,Bihar,J & K, Himanchal Pradesh and some area of U.P. (Agra to Bihar Border) and in some area we were Zamindar but not king's like Agra to delhi in U.P.,Haryana, Bikaner in Rajasthan and in other area like Dholpur,Bhartpur and in Punjab we were king and we are king as per our history which we are studied in our classes in school's and in college's.
As per our middle history we were not enough income sources execpt some king's or zamindar's.But,Sir Chotu Ram done a grate work for us when we were land less kishan's.
Now,We don"t have enouth land income in comprision of inflation becouse we have small piece"s of land by our generation growth.( We maximums are Jawan's(Army and Police) and Kishan"s(Thodi zamin ke Zamindar).
In this situation we required Reservation in present.
Personelly I am in good conditions,But if we think for that they are living in village in deep area's like Bahal and Loharu in Haryana, Jasalmer,Badmer and sikar in rajasthan.They are not having sufficient income sources.Mostly they are small formar's or in Army at lower post's.
 
Rakesh Dhaka Sahib has freely admitted his lack of English language skills, and his lack of computer skills.

We were all aware of that when he first wrote his post.

It is then our duty to help him ( and others) , to communicate and participate in our midst, and seek to interpret what he writing in a positive manner.

We should stay away from personal remarks.

My interpretation on what he is trying to say:-

“ On Jats, they are many questions and views as to their origins.

They have a rich historical past. They have produced many rulers.
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Their goths ( clan names) overlap with Gujars, Rajputs etc.

To develop a proper history for them, we need to consult many sources.

Today their plight is obvious. They are reduced from being ‘masters’ of the land to servility.

Many are reduced to poverty, and need reservation.

We should unite and fight for reservation today.”

He and others may add and clarify.

Ravi Chaudhary
 
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