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Kashmir kiska hai
- Thread starter hsdhull
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Pandits are more responsible for their present state.
Can you share your experience/knowledge why Kashmiri Pandits are responsible for their present state.
ravinderjeet
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Can you share your experience/knowledge why Kashmiri Pandits are responsible for their present state.
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Can you share your experience/knowledge why Kashmiri
Pandits are responsible for their present state.
Yes sir, I shall try--
a) Nehru was pandit, Dhar, Kaul etc, nobody did anything for pandits as well as kashmir.
b)Hari singh was sarounded by pandits, infact his think tank was dominated by pandits, thus they were directly /indirectly responsible for decision of staying independent and lateron for demmanding special status for kashmir & getting approved by the central cabnet.
c) Pandits were not loyal/faithful to India.
d) It was their brain to eat from both nations directly or indirectly.
e) They exploited nonpandits of kashmir before partition so badly that lateron other communities tried to take revenge.
f) When pushed to corner, why couldnot they fight back or atlist resist.
g) They never cooperated/ helped Army when in kashmir, lateron army also paid back in same coins. During 1948 when our troops were fighting for them, my unit requested many pandits for help but they blindly refused and muslims heped. Immediately after 71 war army troops used to visit villages in the valley for medical help and motivational work, pandits never gave any help including a glass of water even, on any small mistake or even without mistake they used to blame our troops maximum, even human right cries were more from pandits.
There are many other points but no point in writng every thing here. I personally feel kshmiri pandits deserve no sympathy.
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Yes sir, I shall try--
a) Nehru was pandit, Dhar, Kaul etc, nobody did anything for pandits as well as kashmir.
b)Hari singh was sarounded by pandits, infact his think tank was dominated by pandits, thus they were directly /indirectly responsible for decision of staying independent and lateron for demmanding special status for kashmir & getting approved by the central cabnet.
c) Pandits were not loyal/faithful to India.
d) It was their brain to eat from both nations directly or indirectly.
e) They exploited nonpandits of kashmir before partition so badly that lateron other communities tried to take revenge.
f) When pushed to corner, why couldnot they fight back or atlist resist.
g) They never cooperated/ helped Army when in kashmir, lateron army also paid back in same coins. During 1948 when our troops were fighting for them, my unit requested many pandits for help but they blindly refused and muslims heped. Immediately after 71 war army troops used to visit villages in the valley for medical help and motivational work, pandits never gave any help including a glass of water even, on any small mistake or even without mistake they used to blame our troops maximum, even human right cries were more from pandits.
There are many other points but no point in writng every thing here. I personally feel kshmiri pandits deserve no sympathy.
Thanks Sir for your inputs. Much appreciated.
Few more points to add:-
During Ranjit singh the present area of kashmir including POK was under various small rulers including Ranjit singh, Gulab singh Dogra and his yuonger brother were very efficient soldiers, they were looting and eating mainly in jamu area but once they went to Lahore and decided to join Ranjit Army, rose to very high position, Ranjit was getting weak his sons were useless, Gulab brothers made use of the situation, they started looting slowly the khajana of Ranjit also started establishing personal control over the territory from lahore to jammu side, after the death of Ranjit singh they declared their independence, the sikh army attacked Gulab but they were beaten back, THE VALLEY WAS RULED BY SMALL SULTANS/JAGIRDARS, bRITISHERS HAD OVERALL CONTROL. Britishers were in need of moey thus Gulab again made use of situation and purchased the valley in the gold csting 7500000/-and he became boss of entire J&K area. He with the help of his Gen Jorawar, he captured Leh area and thrice captured Tibet also but due various factors couldnot retain Tibet, After Gulab singh, his son Ranvir singh became the Raja, he started RPC like our IPC, which is still followed in kashmir in place of Ipc,established courts and introduced a special status for the kashmir that no out sider can buy land etc, the same rule lateron became the bases of article 370. Than came his son Pratap singh, a weak person, believed more in the advise of pandits, pandits became practically rulers during his time. he didnot have any child thus after his death Hari singh who was son of brother of Pratap became the ruler, Rest in next post.
During Ranjit singh the present area of kashmir including POK was under various small rulers including Ranjit singh, Gulab singh Dogra and his yuonger brother were very efficient soldiers, they were looting and eating mainly in jamu area but once they went to Lahore and decided to join Ranjit Army, rose to very high position, Ranjit was getting weak his sons were useless, Gulab brothers made use of the situation, they started looting slowly the khajana of Ranjit also started establishing personal control over the territory from lahore to jammu side, after the death of Ranjit singh they declared their independence, the sikh army attacked Gulab but they were beaten back, THE VALLEY WAS RULED BY SMALL SULTANS/JAGIRDARS, bRITISHERS HAD OVERALL CONTROL. Britishers were in need of moey thus Gulab again made use of situation and purchased the valley in the gold csting 7500000/-and he became boss of entire J&K area. He with the help of his Gen Jorawar, he captured Leh area and thrice captured Tibet also but due various factors couldnot retain Tibet, After Gulab singh, his son Ranvir singh became the Raja, he started RPC like our IPC, which is still followed in kashmir in place of Ipc,established courts and introduced a special status for the kashmir that no out sider can buy land etc, the same rule lateron became the bases of article 370. Than came his son Pratap singh, a weak person, believed more in the advise of pandits, pandits became practically rulers during his time. he didnot have any child thus after his death Hari singh who was son of brother of Pratap became the ruler, Rest in next post.
ravinderjeet
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Brother, you are right but some of them were coward Rajput also, who runawy to mountains.
Shekh Abdulla who was lateron blamed by pandit nehru, was non but step brother of nehru, son of moti lal. A brief look on the nehru family,
a) Gangadhar nehru, grand father of jawahar lal, was a muslim his name was Giyasudeen gaji, he was kotwal probably of Chandani chwouk, Delhi in mugal rule, MUGALS WERE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH BRITISHERS AROUND AND used to react voilently against britishers, in the process Giyasudeen came in light and feared serious attemped on his life by the Britishers hence left Delhi, went to Alahabad area started staying next to a nehar, changed his name as Gangadhar nehru, Also he and his brother changed loyality from mugal king to Britishers and it was believed that they lateron gave witness against the Emperor in favour of Britishers, Mitilal became adocate and started practice under a muslim Mubarak Ali, advocate, The Anand House , earier different name Israt manzil, was occupied much later, before that the family was staying in a bad area, even there are different stories ( not very respectful to mention) about birth place of pandit nehru, Word pandit was adopted by jawahar lal only, Respected Indira was totally neglected child, kamla was always ill, nehru had no time for the child, She was thrown out of santiniketan by Ravindernath himself for som indiscipline, Nawab khan from junagarh area was grocery supplier to Anand house, his son Feroje khan became friendly to indira, when they both were in landon , in 1942 she got converted to Islam and got married with Firoje khan in a masque in landon, Her mother was lying on death bed and nehru was against the marriage but Karamchand Gandhi ordered nehru to accept the relation, ONLY NAME OF Feroje khan was changed to Feroje Gandhi on affidevite, Feroje mother was parsi her family name was ghandi, but she also got converted to islam before her marriage. It is known fact that after the birth of Rajiv, Indira and Firoje were staying seperately AND Feroje was PLANNING TO GET MARRIED AGAIN WITH SOMEBODY ELSE, HE DIED SUDDENLY in 1960, his death was mistery, Her second son sanjay is said to be from mohammad Yunus, Sanjay was initially named as sanjiv but lateron chaged when British police arrested him for stealing car in london, Krishan menon was High commissioner in landon he prepared another passport in the name of sanjay because his passport was also impounded, Sanjay marriage took place in the house of Yunus, When sanjay died , yunus cried most and indiraji remained busy in searching bunch of keys of sanjay.Rajiv didnot pass any exam in his three year stay at cambridge, he also converted to catholic before his marriage to sonia. look SUCH PEOPLE were/ ARE YOUR RULARS, God may help India and her calcure. How can we have some hope for early and favourable solution of kashmir.
Shekh Abdulla who was lateron blamed by pandit nehru, was non but step brother of nehru, son of moti lal. A brief look on the nehru family,
a) Gangadhar nehru, grand father of jawahar lal, was a muslim his name was Giyasudeen gaji, he was kotwal probably of Chandani chwouk, Delhi in mugal rule, MUGALS WERE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH BRITISHERS AROUND AND used to react voilently against britishers, in the process Giyasudeen came in light and feared serious attemped on his life by the Britishers hence left Delhi, went to Alahabad area started staying next to a nehar, changed his name as Gangadhar nehru, Also he and his brother changed loyality from mugal king to Britishers and it was believed that they lateron gave witness against the Emperor in favour of Britishers, Mitilal became adocate and started practice under a muslim Mubarak Ali, advocate, The Anand House , earier different name Israt manzil, was occupied much later, before that the family was staying in a bad area, even there are different stories ( not very respectful to mention) about birth place of pandit nehru, Word pandit was adopted by jawahar lal only, Respected Indira was totally neglected child, kamla was always ill, nehru had no time for the child, She was thrown out of santiniketan by Ravindernath himself for som indiscipline, Nawab khan from junagarh area was grocery supplier to Anand house, his son Feroje khan became friendly to indira, when they both were in landon , in 1942 she got converted to Islam and got married with Firoje khan in a masque in landon, Her mother was lying on death bed and nehru was against the marriage but Karamchand Gandhi ordered nehru to accept the relation, ONLY NAME OF Feroje khan was changed to Feroje Gandhi on affidevite, Feroje mother was parsi her family name was ghandi, but she also got converted to islam before her marriage. It is known fact that after the birth of Rajiv, Indira and Firoje were staying seperately AND Feroje was PLANNING TO GET MARRIED AGAIN WITH SOMEBODY ELSE, HE DIED SUDDENLY in 1960, his death was mistery, Her second son sanjay is said to be from mohammad Yunus, Sanjay was initially named as sanjiv but lateron chaged when British police arrested him for stealing car in london, Krishan menon was High commissioner in landon he prepared another passport in the name of sanjay because his passport was also impounded, Sanjay marriage took place in the house of Yunus, When sanjay died , yunus cried most and indiraji remained busy in searching bunch of keys of sanjay.Rajiv didnot pass any exam in his three year stay at cambridge, he also converted to catholic before his marriage to sonia. look SUCH PEOPLE were/ ARE YOUR RULARS, God may help India and her calcure. How can we have some hope for early and favourable solution of kashmir.
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