People in our community are open and speak their mind. They don't think polishing or sophistication is required in communication.
Wondering, if this is relevant to the discussion?
Reason for less woman presence on Jatland.com.
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Wondering, if this is relevant to the discussion?
dahiyarocks
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arre kham kha lado so...........bta te di...........
mere jisse molad tikan e na dete kisse ne..........
u chorri te bahut se hadde per activa na se................
mere jisse molad tikan e na dete kisse ne..........
u chorri te bahut se hadde per activa na se................
I disagree most of your points here VP Sir; please read my views in red.
Now in my point of view, main reasons/points of their less presence on JL and participation in discussions are Lack of Interest, Attitude Problem, Take things personally, easily hurt and creates scene often & Lack of Intellectual ability etc.
I know many fingers will be pointed on me by Jatnis here n' I might be labeled as male chauvinist by feminists here!
Cheers
Jit
Now in my point of view, main reasons/points of their less presence on JL and participation in discussions are Lack of Interest, Attitude Problem, Take things personally, easily hurt and creates scene often & Lack of Intellectual ability etc.
I know many fingers will be pointed on me by Jatnis here n' I might be labeled as male chauvinist by feminists here!
Cheers
Jit
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I disagree most of your points here VP Sir; please read my views in red.
Now in my point of view, main reasons/points of their less presence on JL and participation in discussions are Lack of Interest, Attitude Problem, Take things personally, easily hurt and creates scene often & Lack of Intellectual ability etc.
I know many fingers will be pointed to me by many Jatnis here n' I might be labeled as male chauvinist by feminists here!
Cheers
Jit
Very nice reply.
Let's assign ranks to ur points to make it simple and effective for the target audience
1. Lack of Intellectual ability & Attitude problem.
2. Unability to conclude & arrive at mutual consensus, rather locking horns and derailing the topic, and having a destructive approach rather than solving it out with a cool head. Kisi baat ko jaayaz tarike se solve karne ki bajai... dusare ki bejjati karke/tamasha bana ke argument conclude karna yahan ki adat ban chuki hai..(and that's equally applicable to gents also).
3. Insensible post/thread sometimes, that others might not be intrested in. Forgeting that the whole world is watching them.
4. Easily hurt and retaliating then with stronger words and making things ugly for themselves and to the person whom they are replying to. Which again provokes reciprocation with more foolishnes.
PEACE ~
Aman ki Aasha...
Guys,
There is no point in playing a blame game here. There are online forums where female participation is much higher then what is there on Jatland. The reasons you have given are generic and should apply equally to other sites, even if they are true. The problem in genuine and local to Jatland.
Some reasons has to be certainly "Jatland" specific. I have been a regular for a while now and I could notice females coming and going, (males too). The reason why they left Jatland can not just be attributed to "females". If they are coming and then leaving Jatland then there must be something that is driving them away.
One of the ways to solve this is for a female member (simply because a female would be more open to a female) to take initiative and collate the reasons from fellow female members. The Jatland core team can then decide on the ways of positively discussing the problems and finding a resolution.
An immediate step that could be taken (in the meanwhile) is to nominate a "female member" as a moderator and involve her in the decision making on the "reported posts" from females.
I think, encoraging women participation would be in the intrest of all Jatlanders. It would help Jatland's maturity and growth.
urmiladuhan
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Active participation of jat woman is less than jat men. Jat Woman don't come forward publically and share their views. This trend appears similar to what we actually see in our community - in its public sphere. To me it means education of jat woman is not making much difference on their role in Jat society. The mindset of so called educated Jat men towards educated Jat women is similar to how it used to be when women were not educated.
घणा गंभीर विषय है यो तै!!!!!!!!!! Jit Bhai, I submit my counter-comments in black, in reply to your red comments as under:
1. Shyness should not be confused with timidity. For example a female boxer may give a hard punch to someone who tries to make lewd advances on her but she may not be very extrovert in expressing herself on a public platform. That is what I meant.
2. Majority of Jat females do not go against the wishes of their family chieftains/elders. There must be people without internet access (especially in rural areas). The male members can go to the nearby cyber-shops but females are normally not allowed to have this luxury due to security reasons. I have seen mothers escorting their daughters to the cyber café – probably to have a watch on the girl’s chatter box.
3. I humbly disagree that those who are not computer literate should be considered as illiterates. It is an utterly wrong perception. Going by that argument, most of our scientists, Professors, scholars and litterateurs, who are hardly computer savvy, are illiterate. I am afraid they know much about PC except typing, saving and printing the files in MS Word. (m sure de no nothin abt chatter-box lingo lik c ya, n, tc, ****, luv, luvin, wtf……n …f**k*n etc.. )
4. ‘Choolha-Chaaki’ and ‘gobar-buhari’ are just desi metaphors. The basic intention was to emphasise the point that they have to do a lot of house-hold work and find hardly any time for coming to JL Chaupal. These things are, however, not affaires passé. It is still a reality that females in rural areas have to do all these works inspite of the fact that many of them are literate. Moreover, majority of Jats still reside in villages contrary to your assumption.
5. Thank you for being agreeable that this point of mine made some sense to you.
6. Thank you again for ‘slightly agreeing’ on this point too. I also ‘slightly’ agree with your belief that ‘Jatnis’ are so furious’ that if someone dares to misbehave with them they are apt to give punishment. Of course, there are such Jatnis in here on JL . So guys watch out!!
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urmiladuhan
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I disagree most of your points here VP Sir; please read my views in red.
Now in my point of view, main reasons/points of their less presence on JL and participation in discussions are Lack of Interest, Attitude Problem, Take things personally, easily hurt and creates scene often & Lack of Intellectual ability etc.
I know many fingers will be pointed on me by Jatnis here n' I might be labeled as male chauvinist by feminists here!
Cheers
Jit
I think the moment a woman comes on board, that itself causes many men to 'poke' her. There are so few women here!!!
I also agree that women here are not perfect either. I also think that it is by continuing to actively participate, woman (and men) would learn a lot about the real world situation as it exists for them.
What is interesting is that the interpersonal situation between men and woman participants is quite similar to the real world situation as it exists in Jat community.
It is a good suggestion. I remember a lady member (Smt. Sunita Hooda) used to be a moderator. It is still a mystery why she resigned. Was she made to resign due to some peer pressure or pressure from other moderators?? I remember none of the lady members has ever bothered to raise any question about the exit of one 'female moderator'. Isn't it a reflection of their apathy towards their own cause and lukewarm attitude towards JL.
I don't think that nominating a Female Member as a Moderator would make any difference.
There was a time time when more than one moderators were females but still female participation in the forums was almost negligible.
Bang on.
The virtual world reflets like the REAL world.
I believe this is the only reason. Women in general (irrespective of jat / non jat) are not interested in such topics. You will seldom find two woman discussing these topics whereas men when together could easily end up discussing these. Even if you look at politics, there are very less woman compared to man in parliament and other bodies. I am sure even similar forums of other communities wont be having an encouraging picture as such.
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The topic was started without any input from the person who initiated it. Mr. VP Singh gave some input but some members diverted the topic. It is very strange to note that instead of putting the topic back on track the person who initiated this topic got entangled with those persons who derailed the topic. As per my understanding the major reason for lack of active membership and participation by female members is at sr. 5 of Mr. VP Singh comments which could be reproduced as under:
They do not have much interest in matters like politics, economics and social reforms etc. which form major part of discussion on social forums
I would like to mention here that female members also misbehave here and it has happened with me. Instead of responding to her comments I kept quite. I had been very active on this site a couple of years ago. I lost interest because majority of members on this forum participate in jokes and fun related topics. If they start any topic then they do not monitor it, provide feedback, summarise and conclude it. Current topic is a good example of it.
They do not have much interest in matters like politics, economics and social reforms etc. which form major part of discussion on social forums
I would like to mention here that female members also misbehave here and it has happened with me. Instead of responding to her comments I kept quite. I had been very active on this site a couple of years ago. I lost interest because majority of members on this forum participate in jokes and fun related topics. If they start any topic then they do not monitor it, provide feedback, summarise and conclude it. Current topic is a good example of it.
Besides the other very valid points raised by fellow members, I think one very important point raised by Ravinder Jeet is that of the increasingly Skewed sex ratio in the northern belt (especially among Jats). It is becoming rare to hear that any Jat family in the neighbourhood/family or friend circle has been blessed with a baby girl. More often than not, it is a Baby Boy. Educated and urban families are gradually turning into two-son families.
drkarminder
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.....i think d women's comments already in this thread r showing y there r less women on JL...
when u ask them ,they say they r very modern...nd when sm shares smthing that a modern women can accept..they react on it....
nd when u suggest nt to use react on smone or fight then they start reacting on u....
actually d intention of starting this thread only shows ,y women r less on JL...
WHENEVR I SEE ANY WOMEN'S COMMENT ON JL.. ,I FIND IT REACTING ON SM ONE...
example :
urmila ji abusing mother nd sister to 1 writer..
comment by me: urmila ji . plz dont be bad at words...the thread is not so dirty that u hv to go to d extent of abusing the writer....he might hv seen it useful nd shared it..thats all..i dont think he had any intention of disturbing anybody
urmila ji comment : Kindly mind your words and language - don't put words in my mouth. Sick people!
i was really shocked.i again read my post nd didnt find anything wrong.. nd wd one reqest of nt to use bad words, she commented me as sick person..
in fact i m finding women post r more abusing ng provoking on JL than men..without any relevant discussion..
when u ask them ,they say they r very modern...nd when sm shares smthing that a modern women can accept..they react on it....
nd when u suggest nt to use react on smone or fight then they start reacting on u....
actually d intention of starting this thread only shows ,y women r less on JL...
WHENEVR I SEE ANY WOMEN'S COMMENT ON JL.. ,I FIND IT REACTING ON SM ONE...
example :
urmila ji abusing mother nd sister to 1 writer..
comment by me: urmila ji . plz dont be bad at words...the thread is not so dirty that u hv to go to d extent of abusing the writer....he might hv seen it useful nd shared it..thats all..i dont think he had any intention of disturbing anybody
urmila ji comment : Kindly mind your words and language - don't put words in my mouth. Sick people!
i was really shocked.i again read my post nd didnt find anything wrong.. nd wd one reqest of nt to use bad words, she commented me as sick person..
in fact i m finding women post r more abusing ng provoking on JL than men..without any relevant discussion..
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Mr. Gulia has rightly observed that some female members also misbehave with their male counterparts. Ironically, some females are active members of some fringe groups of JL with a manifesto of creating some nuisance value and some gullible girls/ladies have been working on the behest of ring masters. At times, some female members react in an abrasive manner to innocuous comments. Except for a very few wayward philistines, most of the boys are innocent and respectful towards elders and ladies. However, some of them may not be very articulate in their expressions but that cannot be construed as misbehaviour. It becomes incumbent on the female members also to show some maturity and not to over-react at slight provocations.
Sometimes even some 'pretty women' give 'unpretty' remarks unmatched to their profile.
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rakeshsehrawat
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मेरे हिसाब से जाट समाज थोडा सा संकीर्ण ही रहा है ! शुरू से हमें अपने जज्बात दबाने की आदत है ! जाट का कोए छोरा कितना इ सुथरा क्यूँ ना रहया हो फ्लर्ट कम ए पावेगा !फ्लर्ट छोड़ो बहुत कम हैं जिनकी गर्लफ्रेंड रही होंगी ! कारण पहला तो वोहे थप्पड़ के बदले घुसंड आला, दूसरा लावा लुतरी/चापलूसी कम ए आवे है, तीसरा जे भूले भटके तें किसे छोरी तें बात करता किसे दोस्त ने देख लिया तो उड़े सीटी बाजन लग ज्या हैं ! यू ए हाल कम बत्ती छोरियां का है एब आ गया इन्टरनेट तो जाट छोरो के मन के दबे हुए जज्बात उभर कर सामने आने लगे ! इब पेकिंग ए बदली है भीतर आला सौदा तो वोहे है ! जाटनी सुने कोणी अर जाटराम सुनाये बिना मने कोनी ! इब छोरी इसे मौके पे माडी सी नीची खिंच जावे है वा कहावत समझ के " सूअर से लड़ो दोनों गंदे होवो पर सिर्फ वही उसे एन्जॉय करेगा" ! कई बार गुस्से में वो जाटलैंड छोड़ के चली जाती हैं ! वो लड़कियां जो शादीशुदा नहीं हैं उन्हें इन्टरनेट की सुविधा कम ही उपलब्ध है और जो शादीशुदा हैं उनके पास इन्टरनेट पर आने का टाइम नहीं! वैसे नारी अब इतनी अबला नहीं की आप कुछ भी कह दें और वो सह जाएगी पर सिर्फ वो अपने आप को गन्दगी से बचाने की कोशिश करती हैं !
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