Reason for less woman presence on Jatland.com.

vpsingh said:
Following could be a few reasons:

1. They are traditionally very shy
2. They are not allowed by the family to mix-up so easily with outsiders/strangers
3. They are comparatively less computer savvy
4. Often they have to be occupied with household affairs like 'choolha-chowki' and 'gobar-buhari'
5. They do not have much interest in matters like politics, economics and social reforms etc. which form major part of discussion on social forums
5. Last but not the least - general tendency of our men-folk to misbehave with them
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As a matter of fact I don't agree on all points with V P Singh ji. Jat females are not tarrying behind in any field. Nor are they shy or timid. They are excelling in every field. Today's parents are commonly not so conservative as they normally support their daughters in their genuine demands and projects as they do the same with their sons. I must dare say that the present confused and sick mental state of some people in society spread the dirt as they know nothing except filthy ideas. This seems to me the rudiment reason for less participation of females. Sometimes it is found that a few of the JL people behave out of the common sense only to show off that they are "the Real Jats". Their language becomes so absurd, idiotic & blunt that it creates repulsion & horror in the minds of sober people. So the fundamental fault lies on the side of males who have to be more dignified and respectful towards the ethnic values of thier compatriots. Therefore I must say that the last point which Bhai V P Singh has written is very authentic.
 
urmiladuhan said:
After reading the feedback (including the deleted derogatory posts towards me and woman in general, of this thread) I have come to the conclusion that rustic type woman are hardly ever attacked here. Unfortunately, many such woman don't have access to computers due to their rural location. It is the City bred (call them english speaking for convenience) participants that many Jat men (educated ones) have difficulty with as their ego get rubbed on the wrong side, especially if the woman is smart and good looking too (most Jaatnis are!!!). I get Private Messages through this forum (I am sure other female members too) focussing on my physical appearance or asking me personal questions that are too personal - and when I don't reply, I see that person turning against me in various threads! ha ha ha!! It is a fool proof recipe for sourness that leads to personal attacks.

Jat men expect women to have a 'toned down' personality with them, which many educated woman don't have. On the contrary, many such woman have a mind of their own, which they do not hesitate to share. I post in so many threads, but there are hardly any of my replies that have "like" button turned on. But whoever challenges my views, is mostly liked by many other men.

By the way, many Jat men (educated ones) also don't have social skills when it comes to dealing with city bred, educated woman. This also creates problems.

On the whole, it is a challenging, many times a harsh place for woman. Hence their participation is less.
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Urmilaji, in the spirit of scientific analysis (that I honestly believe you wish to champion), I don't think your assertion can be justified. Basically the facts of the case are:

1. Urmila is an educated, independent-minded Jat woman who speaks her mind.
2. The Jat males don't "like" Urmila's posts.

Now the 2 main inferences can be:
1. The Jat males don't like the contents of the posts
2. The Jat males don't like an independent-minded Jat woman.

We can't really do a PHD on a one data point item, that is nothing statistically significant can be inferred just from your example. But I can give some theoretical arguments which negate your assertion:

1. Do Jat females "like" your posts? If not, then isn't it probable that the content of the post is more of an issue rather than this being a gender+ego based issue?
2. Have there been other independent-minded Jat women on this forum whose posts have been liked? While the "like" button is a new development, I certainly know that some independent-minded Jat women were liked and applauded significantly on this forum.
3. Are there Jat males whose posts are never "liked" sufficiently? An affirmative answer to this would suggest that despite having the male gender, you may not be "liked" because of the content.

To conclude, correlation doesn't imply causation.
 
Kapil,
Correlation or causation, the attitude/ego of men on the forum does impact participation of female members, if not for any other reason than for the huge difference in number of active male and female members.

kapdal said:
To conclude, correlation doesn't imply causation.
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annch said:
Kapil,
Correlation or causation, the attitude/ego of men on the forum does impact participation of female members, if not for any other reason than for the huge difference in number of active male and female members.
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I bet that sometimes it restricts even males ( more or less ) to participate in the forums.

Welcome to Real Jatland. :p
 
कहते है कि दुनिया कुछ अच्छे लोगों की वजह से चलती है! यहाँ भी वही हो रहा है! शुक्र है उन् चंद अच्छे लोगों का जो एक जाट की छवि को बरकरार ही नहीं निखारते है!
vijay said:

I bet that sometimes it restricts even males ( more or less ) to participate in the forums.

Welcome to Real Jatland. :p
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annch said:
Kapil,
Correlation or causation, the attitude/ego of men on the forum does impact participation of female members, if not for any other reason than for the huge difference in number of active male and female members.
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Yes, maybe. But I wasn't speaking on the topic here, I was just responding to a particular post with a specific assertion that Jat males can't stand educated & independent-minded Jat women that was based on rather dubious logic.

I haven't said anything on the topic yet. It may have been an interesting topic, but it came with the curse of becoming yet another of those silly men vs women debates.

For argument's sake, if everyone was perfectly well behaved here - would that lead to equal % of men & women? I highly doubt that. I don't know what the data says, but we can look at the % of registered males vs females. If you already get 90 men to 10 women split in registered members (say), that would suggest that the skew exists independent of any behavior as you can't personally experience the -ve behavior without signing up on JL.

I am sure there are female members with genuine grievances. Some would have left and some may not be participating. But that's the case with men members as well. And then, atleast I have seen highly objectionable behavior from female members as well. But if you have 90 men vs 20 women and 20% of both them indulge in highly objectionable behavior - you will see 18 cases of men vs 4 cases of women. More than 4 times cases for men, even with same % of objectionable behavior.

People with objectionable behavior are usually objectionable with both male & female members. It goes without saying that there shouldn't be any objectionable behavior, especially against women. But there is neither any logic nor any benefit in attributing the low participation of women entirely on "bad behavior of men". The bad behavior can be condemned without resorting to a dubious argument. And female members can and should point out the bad behavior without wallowing in the self-pity of such an argument.
 
You are right about people with objectionable behaviour misbehaving with both male and female. However, it is not fair to expect a woman to react, verbally or emotionally, in the same way as a man would to such a behaviour.

A man will have less chances to face harassment/crap that a woman has to go through from such people, on the open forum and in mails/messages.

I may not agree with Urmila Ji's post completely or support her reaction, but she did capture the gist of the general behavior of many male members if not the entire male population on Jatland.
kapdal said:
Yes, maybe. But I wasn't speaking on the topic here, I was just responding to a particular post with a specific assertion that Jat males can't stand educated & independent-minded Jat women that was based on rather dubious logic.

I haven't said anything on the topic yet. It may have been an interesting topic, but it came with the curse of becoming yet another of those silly men vs women debates.

For argument's sake, if everyone was perfectly well behaved here - would that lead to equal % of men & women? I highly doubt that. I don't know what the data says, but we can look at the % of registered males vs females. If you already get 90 men to 10 women split in registered members (say), that would suggest that the skew exists independent of any behavior as you can't personally experience the -ve behavior without signing up on JL.

I am sure there are female members with genuine grievances. Some would have left and some may not be participating. But that's the case with men members as well. And then, atleast I have seen highly objectionable behavior from female members as well. But if you have 90 men vs 20 women and 20% of both them indulge in highly objectionable behavior - you will see 18 cases of men vs 4 cases of women. More than 4 times cases for men, even with same % of objectionable behavior.

People with objectionable behavior are usually objectionable with both male & female members. It goes without saying that there shouldn't be any objectionable behavior, especially against women. But there is neither any logic nor any benefit in attributing the low participation of women entirely on "bad behavior of men". The bad behavior can be condemned without resorting to a dubious argument. And female members can and should point out the bad behavior without wallowing in the self-pity of such an argument.
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annch said:
Kapil,
Correlation or causation, the attitude/ego of men on the forum does impact participation of female members, if not for any other reason than for the huge difference in number of active male and female members.
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Ann, you are right to a great extent but females are also not far behind as far as ego, attitude, snob and rudeness are concerned. They also have a tendency of flaunting off their education, beauty, job status, family background etc. like their male counterparts.

Kapil has mathematically proved that the skewed sex ratio between registered male and female members is the main reason of the lower presence of females and not alone the bad behaviour of male folks. However, bad behaviour is also one of the reasons but that equally affects both the sexes(as pointed out by Kapil and Vijay). After all males also have some sensitivities like females.
 
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VP Sir, I translate low woman presence as low participation by women. Not every registered member is an active participant all the time. So, the skew in the participation cannot be mainly attributed to disparity in registration numbers.

Secondly, when a person contemplates becoming a member of Jatland, he/she will not just consider the registration numbers, but also the content of the forum. Speaking from experience, I found jatland while googling for a dear class mate. That person was also a member of JL. I read posts by so many women-
Shweta, Sunita Hooda, Seema, Ritu Di,Neelam Rathi, Neelam Choudhary, Poonam Sansanwal, Poonam Chaudhary, Bharti ji, Deepika, Ruchi. Many more were active on Chaupal. It was this active participation that encouraged me to start posting. If I had not found any or little women participation, I would not have given JL a second thought.

If the environment is not very encouraging, for whatever reason, a woman may register but may never show her presence on the forum. And, because men dominate in number in participation, they are mainly responsible for the environment of the forum.

vpsingh said:
Ann, you are right to a great extent but females are also not far behind as far as ego, attitude, snob and rudeness are concerned. They also have a tendency of flaunting off their education, beauty, job status, family background etc. like their male counterparts.

Kapil has mathematically proved that the skewed sex ratio between registered male and female members is the main reason of the lower presence of females and not alone the bad behaviour of male folks. However, bad behaviour is also one of the reasons but that equally affects both the sexes(as pointed out by Kapil and Vijay). After all males also have some sensitivities like females.
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annch said:
VP Sir, I translate low woman presence as low participation by women. Not every registered member is an active participant all the time. So, the skew in the participation cannot be mainly attributed to disparity in registration numbers.

so many women-
Shweta, Sunita Hooda, Seema, Ritu Di,Neelam Rathi, Neelam Choudhary, Poonam Sansanwal, Poonam Chaudhary, Bharti ji, Deepika, Ruchi. Many more were active on Chaupal. It was this active participation that encouraged me to start posting. If I had not found any or little women participation, I would not have given JL a second thought.

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Ann, your point highlighted in red is very much valid.

The ladies/girls named by you above have really created a vacuum on Jatland. They were the real gems and our community should feel proud of them. Let us hope this post of yours is read by them and they may have a second thought. I endorse your opinion and sincerely hope that Jatland will regain its luster and colours.
 
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i dont agree with u dhankhar saheb. all the reasons given by you are past anylysis. nowadays, girls use net on their mobiles. facebook, twitter are a child's play for them. no girls seems to do household works. n in misbehaving girls r not less than boys. now we can say that it depends on a person how he is not how he should be. shyness to pata nahi kahan chali gayi. sorry but your views are precious but outdated as far as time is concern.
 
hi akshay, buddy she might hv tk u wrong due to the internet vocab/ abbreviation use by u. so always make thing clear before reply in a rude manner. v jats r deemed to be rude but infact there is no community which can rive us in emotions. jats r not rude. v r only naturals. no show off like punjabis n brahmins. jats r the best n a jat rules over every heart.
 
absolutely right arvind bhai. we don't know how to speak and when to speak. jats are emotion driven people. we don't create any artificial illusion like multanis n brahmin. jats are simple, honest n truly reliable. jubaan pe jaan de dete hai. proud to be a jat because a jat rules every heart.
 
image of a jat needs no polishing, no cover. a jat will remain a jat always. truly madly n deeply a jat coz a jat rules over every heart. that's my best quote buddy.
 
Point 4 by VP singh

Dagar Sahab, sorry to add that you may be living in city/urban places our 90% community still living in villages and atleast 90% among them still have Buffalos and cows for milk and among them almost 90% families doing this point4 houseold work mentioned by Mr.VP Singh. So this way if we calculate, 70% famillies of our community doing this job and of course those are females.
 
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great reply jit bhai to that outdated philosophy. look at chicks nowadays they aren't less than man in any manner.
 
aap bina dikhe he dara dete ho dahiya saab. kamal hai. jis din dikhe ga us din te bachi khuci bhi bhag jangi. reham kariyo yaar.
 
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