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OK sir, you proved it...Jats of haryana are worst than SC!!. so directly fight for the SC....start rickshaw pulling, labor in the fields of yadavs, gujjar and rajputs along with SC ..I did not know that Jats of Haryana are in such a bad condition.....
bhai jab taane haryane ka gyaan ni tab taane isse comment karne ni chahiyee....agar tu naa chahta ke jaata nee arakshan milee to nuee bol dee nee....as mr. kharb said even i wana say plz mind ur language....it is only d jaats of haryana whos gonna get u reservation...y u people dont u anythin tel me.....teree ajit singh nee kitne pahar tod diye....sabte badaa chor hai woo
 
I am reproducing an article --Why Jat reservation? By Ajit Kumar singh published in Economic and Political Weekly in April Edition 2012.

Ajit Kumar Singh (aksingh101@frediffmail.com)
is at the Giri Institute of Development Studies,
Lucknow.

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Recently the Jats in Uttar Pradesh (UP) resorted to public protest and blocked rail traffic on the Delhi Lucknow route in support of their demand for reservation in central services. The state government deliberately took no steps to clear the rail tracks till the high court intervened to force the government to take necessary steps in this direction. The Jats have threatened to resume their agita¬tion if their demand is not met in a time bound fashion. To many, the demand of the Jats for reservation did not seem justified, as in the public image they are a prosper¬ous and dominant agricultural caste. A question that needs to be asked in this con¬text is why are increasing number of com-munities resorting to violent agitation for reservation and competing with each other to get the status of a backward class. This article attempts to address this issue.


Roots of the Agitation : The Jats constitute about 2% of country’s population and are spread over several states in north India from Jammu and Kashmir, Himachal Pradesh, Punjab, Haryana, Delhi, UP, Madhya Pradegujash (MP) and Gujarat. There is a larger concentration on Jats in the states of Punjab, Haryana, Rajasthan and western UP. Economically, politically and socially the status of Jats is not the same in all these states. The general eco¬nomic condition of Jats is relatively better in Punjab and Haryana as they have larger landholdings. Religion-wise Jats belong to the Hindu, Muslim and Sikh religions. In the brahminical system Jats had an ill-defined status and were put below the upper castes, though not subject to prac¬tices like untouchability. Upper castes still look down upon Jats as a rustic, uncul¬tured and socially backward community. In Rajasthan, which has the largest con¬centration of Jats, they enjoyed a low social status historically, except in the two princely states of Alwar and Bharatpur. They were mainly tenant farmers at the mercy of the Thakur landlords and subject to social dis¬crimination. Rajasthan was the first state to give Jats the Other Backward Classes (OBC) status for reservation. Later, the govern¬ments of Himachal Pradesh, UP and MP also granted OBC status to Jats in their respec¬tive states. The Central Backward Classes Commission, which examined the issue of reservation for Jats in the late 1990s, found the demand of Jats of Rajasthan for reser¬vation to be justified. The commission gave short shrift to the demand for reservation of Jats in UP, without examining the ques¬tion in all its dimensions. Subsequently, on the recommendation of the commission, Jats from Rajasthan were granted reserva¬tion in central services also.

To many the demand of Jats for reser¬vation appears to be unjustified. In common perception, the Jats are regarded as a rich and dominant agricultural class. This is far from reality. The Jats are not a homogeneous community economically across or within states. Moreover, due to successive division of land among sons and the continued stagnation of the agricultural sector the economic condition of Jats has deteriorated substantially over time. The roots of the current agitation can be traced to these changes.



Profile of the Community :- I have carried out a detailed study of 2,000 rural households in five districts of Western UP, namely, Muzaffarnagar, Bulandshahr, Moradabad, Badaun and Mathura. The findings of this study are available in the book Socio-Economic Status of Farming Communities in Northern India (Lucknow 2003). The study ranked 10 social groups and castes in rural western UP in terms of 30 indicators of socio-economic development. A look at the findings of the study would help us in understanding the genesis of the current Jat agitation.
For purpose of illustration, in this arti¬cle I have compared the status of three castes, namely, Jat, Yadava and Gujjar. The sample consists of 409 Jat households, 377 Yadava households and 179 Gujjar house¬holds. In many ways the three castes are similar to each other. Among the three, Yadava and Gujjar are generally accepted as belonging to backward castes. They were given reservation in UP government serv¬ices much earlier. It was only the BJP gov¬ernment led by Ram Prakash Gupta which extended reservation to Jats. Many felt that Jats did not deserve this status. In fact, a sizeable section of relatively well-off Jats also were not happy with their inclusion in the OBC category, which hurt their pride.

However, as our study has shown that there are no significant differences in the socio-economic status of the three commu¬nities. In fact, in many respects Jats compare unfavourably with the other two castes. A few facts taken out from the above study will come as a surprise to many not well aware of the present ground reality.

Educationally all the three communities are backward. About half of the Yadava and one-third of Jat and Gujjar household members are illiterate. Very few are able to go up to the graduate level or above. In this respect, the Yadavas are better placed with 3.7% family members with education up to graduate level and above. The corresponding proportion was 2.5% for Gujjars and 1.9% for Jats. Female illit¬eracy was also very high in all the three communities, varying from 43.6% for Jats, 52.3% for Gujjars and 63% of Yadavas.

All the three communities depend mainly on agriculture and animal husbandry as their main occupation. Yadava and Gujjar communities were the main beneficiary of Zamindari abolition and acquired land rights over substantial areas, which they earlier cultivated as tenants. This led to their economic and educational develop¬ment over time. However, with continuous subdivision of landholdings among all the sons under the prevailing law of inheritance, the average size of landholdings have been declining over time. The average size of holding in case of Gujjars, in our sample, was 4.1 acre. The average holding of Jat households was lower at 3.4 acres and that of Yadava still lower at 3 acres. Almost one half of the holdings, in the case of Jat households and about two-thirds in the case of Yadava households were below 2.5 acres. The position of Gujjars is better, as far as ownership of land is concerned as compared to the other two communities. With such a small size of landholdings, it is no longer possible for the rural house¬holds to live a decent life as farmers. The problem has been further aggravated by stagnation of agriculture during last two decades and declining profitability of agri¬culture due to the rising cost of inputs.

The average household income from agriculture per household in our sample was Rs 17,739, Rs 14,860 and Rs 12,934 for Jat, Gujjar and Yadava households, respectively. Yadava households also earn much higher income from non-agricultural activities like animal husbandry and busi¬ness. Total household income is lowest for Jat households (Rs 31,202) and highest for Yadava households (Rs 37,478), with Gujjar households falling in the middle (Rs 32,954). This comes to a monthly income per household of barely Rs 2,500 to Rs 3,000. Thus, the average income of the so-called rich agricultural class is less than that of a class IV employee of the state government. In annual per capita income Yadava (Rs 6,514) and Gujjar (Rs 6,482) households enjoy higher in-come as compared to the Jat households (Rs 5,849). Thus, most of the households of these three communities fall below the poverty line of one dollar per capita per day expenditure.
Yadava and Gujjar in UP got the status of backward class much earlier and were thus in a better position to benefit from reservation. In our survey only 1.82% of the Jats were in government service, mostly in lower cadres. The corresponding figures for Gujjar and Yadava workers were 1.72% and 2.99% respectively. In the category of private service too the proportion of Yadava and Gujjars was higher at 2.32% and 1.7% as compared to only 1.3% for Jats.
Thus, with a shrinking economic base in agriculture the rural communities, in¬cluding Jats, are looking for other job ave¬nues. Reservation in government services is one of the ways in which these aspirations are fulfilled. When a community feels that other communities in their region who are economically and socially in similar con¬ditions are getting the benefits of reserva¬tion, they also claim for the same status. Those among Jats who have got educated and obtained a government job also lend support to this demand to ensure that their sons and daughters are not discrimi¬nated in the labour market.



Continued.................
 
Government Neglect:- The issue of reservation in government jobs is a much larger social issue and should not be confused with better delivery of services or poverty alleviation programmes. In fact, it is not and cannot be a poverty alleviation strategy as is sometimes wrongly conceived. Reservation as an affirmative action is enshrined in our Constitution to ensure proper representation of economi¬cally and socially backward classes who are not well represented in government. It is not only an employment issue but one of wider participation in government and local institutions. Moreover, having a family member in the government service especially in a higher position has a multi¬plier effect on the larger community over time as it helps in securing access to many services and benefits which are normally denied. Reservation is not merely a ques¬tion of poor economic condition but has to be seen in the context of social deprivation together with economic condition. To hope that the various government programmes aimed at promoting socio-economic uplift of the rural people will do away with the need and clamour of reservation, as is argued by some, is surely misplaced. The demand for reservation will wither away only when our economy generates sufficient jobs for all aspiring for them. This has not happened despite the sustained high growth in recent years.Violent protests, disruption of trainand road traffic and the destruction ofpublic property are encouraged by the delayed and unresponsive approach of the government. The governments, both at the central and the state levels, sleep over the legitimate demands of the people, till they find an expression in such violence.These demand become more vociferous just before the elections because the leaders, as well as the people, rightly feel that the government is willing to listen to them more sympathetically during such
times. Jats have been raising the demand for reservation, at different forums, for nearly the past two decades. The lack of response from the government has forced them to resort to the present course of agitation. The government should develop a responsive and timely way of dealing with the demands of the various castes and communities in an objective manner based on detailed surveys and studies, rather than wait for the time till the problem becomes explosive.
 
I am reproducing an article --Why Jat reservation? By Ajit Kumar singh published in Economic and Political Weekly in April Edition 2012.

Ajit Kumar Singh (aksingh101@frediffmail.com)
is at the Giri Institute of Development Studies,
Lucknow.
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HE HAS WRITTEN A BOOK TITLED, Socio-Economic Status of the Farming Communities of Northern India, New Royal Publishing Co., Lucknow, 2003. and these were some of the points from that book. however the book is out of print.so couldn't find a copy.
 
I am reproducing an article --Why Jat reservation? By Ajit Kumar singh published in Economic and Political Weekly in April Edition 2012.

Ajit Kumar Singh (aksingh101@frediffmail.com)
is at the Giri Institute of Development Studies,
Lucknow.

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Recently the Jats in Uttar Pradesh (UP) resorted to public protest and blocked rail traffic on the Delhi Lucknow route in support of their demand for reservation in central services. The state government deliberately took no steps to clear the rail tracks till the high court intervened to force the government to take necessary steps in this direction. The Jats have threatened to resume their agita¬tion if their demand is not met in a time bound fashion. To many, the demand of the Jats for reservation did not seem justified, as in the public image they are a prosper¬ous and dominant agricultural caste. A question that needs to be asked in this con¬text is why are increasing number of com-munities resorting to violent agitation for reservation and competing with each other to get the status of a backward class. This article attempts to address this issue.


Roots of the Agitation : The Jats constitute about 2% of country’s population and are spread over several states in north India from Jammu and Kashmir, Himachal Pradesh, Punjab, Haryana, Delhi, UP, Madhya Pradegujash (MP) and Gujarat. There is a larger concentration on Jats in the states of Punjab, Haryana, Rajasthan and western UP. Economically, politically and socially the status of Jats is not the same in all these states. The general eco¬nomic condition of Jats is relatively better in Punjab and Haryana as they have larger landholdings. Religion-wise Jats belong to the Hindu, Muslim and Sikh religions. In the brahminical system Jats had an ill-defined status and were put below the upper castes, though not subject to prac¬tices like untouchability. Upper castes still look down upon Jats as a rustic, uncul¬tured and socially backward community. In Rajasthan, which has the largest con¬centration of Jats, they enjoyed a low social status historically, except in the two princely states of Alwar and Bharatpur. They were mainly tenant farmers at the mercy of the Thakur landlords and subject to social dis¬crimination. Rajasthan was the first state to give Jats the Other Backward Classes (OBC) status for reservation. Later, the govern¬ments of Himachal Pradesh, UP and MP also granted OBC status to Jats in their respec¬tive states. The Central Backward Classes Commission, which examined the issue of reservation for Jats in the late 1990s, found the demand of Jats of Rajasthan for reser¬vation to be justified. The commission gave short shrift to the demand for reservation of Jats in UP, without examining the ques¬tion in all its dimensions. Subsequently, on the recommendation of the commission, Jats from Rajasthan were granted reserva¬tion in central services also.

To many the demand of Jats for reser¬vation appears to be unjustified. In common perception, the Jats are regarded as a rich and dominant agricultural class. This is far from reality. The Jats are not a homogeneous community economically across or within states. Moreover, due to successive division of land among sons and the continued stagnation of the agricultural sector the economic condition of Jats has deteriorated substantially over time. The roots of the current agitation can be traced to these changes.



Profile of the Community :- I have carried out a detailed study of 2,000 rural households in five districts of Western UP, namely, Muzaffarnagar, Bulandshahr, Moradabad, Badaun and Mathura. The findings of this study are available in the book Socio-Economic Status of Farming Communities in Northern India (Lucknow 2003). The study ranked 10 social groups and castes in rural western UP in terms of 30 indicators of socio-economic development. A look at the findings of the study would help us in understanding the genesis of the current Jat agitation.
For purpose of illustration, in this arti¬cle I have compared the status of three castes, namely, Jat, Yadava and Gujjar. The sample consists of 409 Jat households, 377 Yadava households and 179 Gujjar house¬holds. In many ways the three castes are similar to each other. Among the three, Yadava and Gujjar are generally accepted as belonging to backward castes. They were given reservation in UP government serv¬ices much earlier. It was only the BJP gov¬ernment led by Ram Prakash Gupta which extended reservation to Jats. Many felt that Jats did not deserve this status. In fact, a sizeable section of relatively well-off Jats also were not happy with their inclusion in the OBC category, which hurt their pride.

However, as our study has shown that there are no significant differences in the socio-economic status of the three commu¬nities. In fact, in many respects Jats compare unfavourably with the other two castes. A few facts taken out from the above study will come as a surprise to many not well aware of the present ground reality.

Educationally all the three communities are backward. About half of the Yadava and one-third of Jat and Gujjar household members are illiterate. Very few are able to go up to the graduate level or above. In this respect, the Yadavas are better placed with 3.7% family members with education up to graduate level and above. The corresponding proportion was 2.5% for Gujjars and 1.9% for Jats. Female illit¬eracy was also very high in all the three communities, varying from 43.6% for Jats, 52.3% for Gujjars and 63% of Yadavas.

All the three communities depend mainly on agriculture and animal husbandry as their main occupation. Yadava and Gujjar communities were the main beneficiary of Zamindari abolition and acquired land rights over substantial areas, which they earlier cultivated as tenants. This led to their economic and educational develop¬ment over time. However, with continuous subdivision of landholdings among all the sons under the prevailing law of inheritance, the average size of landholdings have been declining over time. The average size of holding in case of Gujjars, in our sample, was 4.1 acre. The average holding of Jat households was lower at 3.4 acres and that of Yadava still lower at 3 acres. Almost one half of the holdings, in the case of Jat households and about two-thirds in the case of Yadava households were below 2.5 acres. The position of Gujjars is better, as far as ownership of land is concerned as compared to the other two communities. With such a small size of landholdings, it is no longer possible for the rural house¬holds to live a decent life as farmers. The problem has been further aggravated by stagnation of agriculture during last two decades and declining profitability of agri¬culture due to the rising cost of inputs.

The average household income from agriculture per household in our sample was Rs 17,739, Rs 14,860 and Rs 12,934 for Jat, Gujjar and Yadava households, respectively. Yadava households also earn much higher income from non-agricultural activities like animal husbandry and busi¬ness. Total household income is lowest for Jat households (Rs 31,202) and highest for Yadava households (Rs 37,478), with Gujjar households falling in the middle (Rs 32,954). This comes to a monthly income per household of barely Rs 2,500 to Rs 3,000. Thus, the average income of the so-called rich agricultural class is less than that of a class IV employee of the state government. In annual per capita income Yadava (Rs 6,514) and Gujjar (Rs 6,482) households enjoy higher in-come as compared to the Jat households (Rs 5,849). Thus, most of the households of these three communities fall below the poverty line of one dollar per capita per day expenditure.
Yadava and Gujjar in UP got the status of backward class much earlier and were thus in a better position to benefit from reservation. In our survey only 1.82% of the Jats were in government service, mostly in lower cadres. The corresponding figures for Gujjar and Yadava workers were 1.72% and 2.99% respectively. In the category of private service too the proportion of Yadava and Gujjars was higher at 2.32% and 1.7% as compared to only 1.3% for Jats.
Thus, with a shrinking economic base in agriculture the rural communities, in¬cluding Jats, are looking for other job ave¬nues. Reservation in government services is one of the ways in which these aspirations are fulfilled. When a community feels that other communities in their region who are economically and socially in similar con¬ditions are getting the benefits of reserva¬tion, they also claim for the same status. Those among Jats who have got educated and obtained a government job also lend support to this demand to ensure that their sons and daughters are not discrimi¬nated in the labour market.



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Mr Prashant please read carefully, Samar thanks.
 
All respected members, I understand your agony, I don't believe region based or religion based ethnic discrimination. For me, a Jat is jat whether he is a Hindu, muslim or sikh and whether he is from UP, Haryana, rajasthan or punjab. It is a widely tested fact that haryanvi jats are better off than UP jats and UP jats were better than SC, are better than SC and will remain better so how can haryanvi Jats be worse than SC so i objected to that statement, there was no hidden humiliation in any sense. I never said that jats don't need reservation..if yadavs, gujjars have that we should also grab that. I will start a poll to figure out how many poeple here thinks that Jats are like or wors etahn SC in economic conditions
 
All respected members, I understand your agony, I don't believe region based or religion based ethnic discrimination. For me, a Jat is jat whether he is a Hindu, muslim or sikh and whether he is from UP, Haryana, rajasthan or punjab. It is a widely tested fact that haryanvi jats are better off than UP jats and UP jats were better than SC, are better than SC and will remain better so how can haryanvi Jats be worse than SC so i objected to that statement, there was no hidden humiliation in any sense. I never said that jats don't need reservation..if yadavs, gujjars have that we should also grab that. I will start a poll to figure out how many poeple here thinks that Jats are like or wors etahn SC in economic conditions
instead of commenting heree n wasting time for nothing y dont u go to haryana...if u dont know any 1 dere thn tel me i'll take u to haryana show wat kinda situation jats r in haryana...there is a very old saying tht half a knowledge is useless and it is very dangerous...jats r about 70 lakhs in haryana...out of 70lacs if 50000 r extremely rich does it mean tht d whole community is rich?
 
भाई प्रशांत हरियाणा , पंजाब , यु.पि के जाटों की माली हालात एक जैसे ही हैं ज्यादा फर्क नहीं हैं | बड़े किसानो की बात अलग हैं नहीं तो हर गाँव में लगभग ३-४ एकड़ का किसान हैं , और फसल के भाव भी सबके लिए एक ही हैं | असल में देहात में आज घटती ज़मीन के कारण कुछ किसानो के हालत तो हरिजनों से भी बद्दतर हैं | जिस घर में एक आधा कोई नौकरी पर स वे पानी न पापा कह स न त बेरा ऐ स असल में के हाल स ....


माहरे एक राजल चमार स वो चेजे पे काम करा करे तो वो कह्या करे के जाटा के काम करण में किम्मे स्वाद नहीं इनके के स खान न ''एक दिन कढ़ी एक दिन दाल , एक दिन चटनी एक दिन टाल '' ...........
गाँव में हर हरिजन के घर में सब्जी में तड़के की खुसबू आ जाएगी हर जाट के नहीं | ये कम से कम दुसरे के मजदूरी करके अपनी पूरी दिहाड़ी तो ले आते हैं , जाट अपने खेत में मजदूरी करता हैं और उसे उसकी मजदूरी की पूरी दिहाड़ी भी पूरी नहीं मिल पाती |
 
भाई प्रशांत हरियाणा , पंजाब , यु.पि के जाटों की माली हालात एक जैसे ही हैं ज्यादा फर्क नहीं हैं | बड़े किसानो की बात अलग हैं नहीं तो हर गाँव में लगभग ३-४ एकड़ का किसान हैं , और फसल के भाव भी सबके लिए एक ही हैं | असल में देहात में आज घटती ज़मीन के कारण कुछ किसानो के हालत तो हरिजनों से भी बद्दतर हैं | जिस घर में एक आधा कोई नौकरी पर स वे पानी न पापा कह स न त बेरा ऐ स असल में के हाल स ....


माहरे एक राजल चमार स वो चेजे पे काम करा करे तो वो कह्या करे के जाटा के काम करण में किम्मे स्वाद नहीं इनके के स खान न ''एक दिन कढ़ी एक दिन दाल , एक दिन चटनी एक दिन टाल '' ...........
गाँव में हर हरिजन के घर में सब्जी में तड़के की खुसबू आ जाएगी हर जाट के नहीं | ये कम से कम दुसरे के मजदूरी करके अपनी पूरी दिहाड़ी तो ले आते हैं , जाट अपने खेत में मजदूरी करता हैं और उसे उसकी मजदूरी की पूरी दिहाड़ी भी पूरी नहीं मिल पाती |

raka bhai main sahmat huin..lekin kewal kuch kisano ke haalat kharaab hai SC se....main bhi wahi kahna chaha raha huin ki halat to kharaab hai par SC tai eibbe bhi theek hai...baaki OBC to hamme milna hi chaiye centre level pe
 
Why donot you agree to reality, mr adment, why and for what you want to compete with your parents, prashant I must coment now that you are behaving like a kikar which can break but not bend, but son it not a good attitude in life, here we are to learn from each other and not to compete withe each other. or to show off. I know itwas my mistake to discuss a topic with person like you who has no regards for viewsof others, I am sorry for giving you advise but it was wrong on my part, I could not hold myself because you belong to my community which I like, otherwise I donot waste my advise and time for every body, you may like to underline my statement that with your present attitude you will suffer in life, God bless you with positive, practical and intelligent mind and coman sence.
 
Why donot you agree to reality, mr adment, why and for what you want to compete with your parents, prashant I must coment now that you are behaving like a kikar which can break but not bend, but son it not a good attitude in life, here we are to learn from each other and not to compete withe each other. or to show off. I know itwas my mistake to discuss a topic with person like you who has no regards for viewsof others, I am sorry for giving you advise but it was wrong on my part, I could not hold myself because you belong to my community which I like, otherwise I donot waste my advise and time for every body, you may like to underline my statement that with your present attitude you will suffer in life, God bless you with positive, practical and intelligent mind and coman sence.

Respected Friend,
We agree with you, that is enough. Please cool down and do not curse the young debater.
Rather, let others say what they want. It will not make much difference in the eyes of the Reservation Commission which has their own yard sticks to judge the issue.
Thanks and regards.
 
Respected Friend,
We agree with you, that is enough. Please cool down and do not curse the young debater.
Rather, let others say what they want. It will not make much difference in the eyes of the Reservation Commission which has their own yard sticks to judge the issue.
Thanks and regards.

Mere chhote bhai, maf karna, Is this issue of reservation ends on your agreeing or do you think or do you feel that I was trying/working for your agreement only and how do you concluded that I cursed the so called young debater, However, if my words gave you such impression than I am sorry and I take my advise back,but I have not given any curse to him or any one, jat can not give curse to others, it is an exclusive right of pandits/rishi/educated people like you, jat neither has power nor desire to curse any body. Being a elder I have given him an advise, but certainly you have cursed him by initiating another cause to feel bad and start cursing me, thanks. By the way Dr since when you have accepted leadership of jats who are against resrvation. Brother, I should not be pushed to such a corner from where I have to use force to come out, because I donot have force. Please rest assure and tell your people that neither I cursed them nor I mean any harm to them, if still any malice than I am sorry for showing effection, concern and responsibility towards my family members, regards
 
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Friends,

I have never opposed Reservation move and assure that I am just a participant in academic debate/discussion. Let leaders lead and there is no question of putting any impediment in their way.

Thanks and regards.
 
जाट के रूठने का Standard कायम है। वो छोटी से छोटी बात पर भी इतनी ही गंभीरता से रूठ सकता है जितना गंभीर बात पर। प्यारो! एक बात दिमाग में रखो। ये Attitude इतना अधिक फलदायी नहीं है। क्योंकि दुर्भाग्य से समझिये या सौभाग्य से, यहाँ लोकतन्त्र है। बाहर से आने वाले लोग, जो खाली हाथ मेहमान की तरह आए थे, आज हमसे कई मायनों में बेहतर हैं। तुम्हारे 5000 गज और उनके 10 गज बराबर हैं। उस 10 गज में भी उसकी अगली पीढ़ी का रोजगार निश्चित है। Bank भी उस 10 गज जमीन पर तुम्हारे 5000 गज से कई गुना कर्ज देता है। लाखों रुपये की Limit बनवाकर Business Lobby तुम लोगों का पैसा बिना ब्याज बरतती हैं।
तुम्हारे पास है क्या?
बेशक बहस करना विचारों के आदान-प्रदान के लिए जरूरी है लेकिन हम लोग बहस के उद्देश्यहीन, नकारात्मक परिणाम के लिए जाने जाते हैं। ये मैं नहीं हमारा इतिहास बोलता है। हरियाणा और उत्तर-प्रदेश, 1000 में से एक अपवाद को छोड़ दें, दो ऐसे राज्य हैं जहां किसी भी प्रकार का कोई सार्वजनिक समागम, Concert, समारोह आदि जिसमें हम लोगों की प्रत्यक्ष भागेदारी हो, और वह बिना झगड़े, रंजिश निकालने का मैदान बने बगैर सफल हुआ हो। अब कई लोग इसे भी हमारी सांस्कृतिक शान समझ सकते हैं, लेकिन मैं इससे कतई वाबस्ता नहीं हूँ।
टूटे पड़े हैं, अभी भी अपनी मरोड़ निकली हुई नहीं मान रहे है।
Thanx! Any way. I don't want to hurt any one, so plz. don't take it personally.
 
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लाखों रुपये की Limit बनवाकर तुम लोगों का पैसा बिना ब्याज बरतते हैं।

Bisky,

I did not get this point. Could you please shed some light on this to make it clear.
 
Bisky,

I did not get this point. Could you please shed some light on this to make it clear.

This is a facility provided by our Banks to the shopkeepers. For example, I am a shopkeeper holding current account in a bank, current account generally relates to the businessmen, I need a limit of Rs. 5 Lac, the Bank deposits Rs. 5 Lac to my account and I've to give the Bank the Registry of my shop or my home as a guarantee. U can withdraw up to Rs 5 lac @ any time from your account and the bank will charge U the nominal interest rate. It'll be applied on the sum withdrawn by you. And it could be 0.5% to maximum 1% approximately. Though I've written 'without interest' above in my post. वो कुछ जोश में misinterpret हो गया। और 'तुम लोगों' से मेरा मतलब हम सभी से है जिनका ये पैसा है।
लेकिन बात ये नहीं है -
किसान की जमीन की Guarantee के against सरकार किसान को कितना Benefit देती है, ये सोचने की बात है।

 
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Friends,

I have never opposed Reservation move and assure that I am just a participant in academic debate/discussion. Let leaders lead and there is no question of putting any impediment in their way.

Thanks and regards.

I know that you never objected jat reservation and that is why I was surprised, friend remember giving advise is very easy but recieving and accepting is difficult, secondly, the situation gets further bad when third person comes in the discussion with sarcastic/biased views, thirdly dear self projection /immage building is ok but not by firing from others shoulder. please forget all and be happy and cheers
 
And it could be 0.5% to maximum 1% approximately. : this also seems to be misprint, I mean rate of interest. Reasons that rate of interest could not be below bank rate(the rate RBI charges to Banks)


This is a facility provided by our Banks to the shopkeepers. For example, I am a shopkeeper holding current account in a bank, current account generally relates to the businessmen, I need a limit of Rs. 5 Lac, the Bank deposits Rs. 5 Lac to my account and I've to give the Bank the Registry of my shop or my home as a guarantee. U can withdraw up to Rs 5 lac @ any time from your account and the bank will charge U the nominal interest rate. It'll be applied on the sum withdrawn by you. And it could be 0.5% to maximum 1% approximately. Though I've written 'without interest' above in my post. वो कुछ जोश में misinterpret हो गया। और 'तुम लोगों' से मेरा मतलब हम सभी से है जिनका ये पैसा है।
लेकिन बात ये नहीं है -
किसान की जमीन की Guarantee के against सरकार किसान को कितना Benefit देती है, ये सोचने की बात है।

 

I know that you never objected jat reservation and that is why I was surprised, friend remember giving advise is very easy but recieving and accepting is difficult, secondly, the situation gets further bad when third person comes in the discussion with sarcastic/biased views, thirdly dear self projection /immage building is ok but not by firing from others shoulder. please forget all and be happy and cheers

If inadvertently any remark of mine has hurt you, I sincerely regret and you being a senior friend excuse me please. Let us start anew forgetting past and forgiving each other. THANKS.
 
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