Those guilty of "Within Gotra" marriage should be ostrasized by JAT's... Yes or No ?

[swaich]

For answer to 1, kindly turn to earlier posts quoted on the topic.
Regarding point 2, kindly further enlighten us about the Case no. and contents of the SC decision.

Thanks.

While I look for posts on scientific studies. You can check out these two links for Point 2 -

1. http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-05-15/india/28311339_1_gotra-khap-marriage. This was the 1945 judgement. Though it spoke about Brahmin gotras, it does allow same-gotra marriages.

2. http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Delhi/article472462.ece

In his petitioner, Mr. Kadyan submitted that marriage within the same gotra was against Hindu traditions. He urged the Court to direct the Union Government to appoint a commission to suggest desired amendments to the Act.However, when the Bench asked him to cite any Hindu scripture which bans marriage within the same gotra, the petitioner failed to quote any. Observing that the petitioner was wasting the precious time of the Court, the Bench said when he could not substantiate his submission he should not move a court.​

 

[swaich]

For answer to 1, kindly turn to earlier posts quoted on the topic.

Thanks.

If you meant this post of yours, I hardly found anything verifiable. Just some vague references. I had hoped for something better.

Commenting on the issues raised in the Satyamev Jayate in 'Letters to the Editor' column Dr. Prem Singh Dahiya from Rohtak writes under caption, Disapproved by science' to shed light on the scientific aspect of intra-gotra marriages and why they are acceptable to the Jats and other Indian communities.

He goes on to state that ''All communities, be it Jats, Brahmins or others in Haryana or elsewhere do not marry in the same gotra [lineage], which means persons considered descendants of the same sage. Same gotra marriages fall within the parameters of consanguineous marriages. According to medical science research such marriages can result in any one of over 250 genetic diseases. The Arab countries are experiencing the burnt of it in the worst form as per information available on the internet.
He goes on to site Prof. JBS Haldane, an internationally renowned British bilogist, who has said that ''the Hindu way of marriage is highly scientific being a check on inbreeding, characterized by exhibition of regressive characters in the progeny.'' .......

For his views on inter caste marriage and other related details, kindly log in www.tribuneindia.com

The Tribune, dated June 15, 2012 Chandigarh edition, p. 8.

 

[abhikrana]

There have been numerous studies done in the field of genetics which establish beyond doubt the fact that in-breeding over a long period of time leads to the expression of few dominant traits quite a few of which might be detrimental to the life form/beings - whether plants or animals.

I guess all of us as educated beings have read in the newspapers at least in some detail, the breeding programs of plants to produce high yielding and disease resistant varieties used for the purpose of food and SIMILARLY the breeding programs of the Jersey cow and Indian cow/bull thereby producing varieties or breeds of robust animals which give higher milk yield and at the same time sturdiness as per the Indian conditions in the animals as one of the traits.

If we still want to ignore and look the other way as far as these facts of genetics and in-breeding is concerned, it is our choice thereby bringing to the fore our choice of wanting to live in a fool's paradise.

 

[cutejaatsandeep]

There is no such thing as too much of education. We educate ourselves everyday via experiences, books, acquaintances etc. The day you will realize this would be a revelation for you.

bro sorry to say but i hav seen dis world more thn u....i might b younger tooo u....but still hav travelled a lot....hav lots of jat frdss....i hav find 1 thing common in about 80% highly educated jats that they dont wana marry in there own community...these khaps and jat traditions starts bothering them...i dont understand y?i think even u dont know much about khaps and jat tradition...u should gain some knowledge about them...m sure tht would definately change your perception towards them..cheerzz

 

[swaich]

There have been numerous studies done in the field of genetics which establish beyond doubt the fact that in-breeding over a long period of time leads to the expression of few dominant traits quite a few of which might be detrimental to the life form/beings - whether plants or animals.

I guess all of us as educated beings have read in the newspapers at least in some detail, the breeding programs of plants to produce high yielding and disease resistant varieties used for the purpose of food and SIMILARLY the breeding programs of the Jersey cow and Indian cow/bull thereby producing varieties or breeds of robust animals which give higher milk yield and at the same time sturdiness as per the Indian conditions in the animals as one of the traits.

If we still want to ignore and look the other way as far as these facts of genetics and in-breeding is concerned, it is our choice thereby bringing to the fore our choice of wanting to live in a fool's paradise.

Could you define in-breeding first? If Jats have been marrying with Jats for 1000 years, arent they already one of the most in-bred communities? So should we first start marrying outside to prevent any genetic diseases? Read some other posts on page 6 and 7 of this thread and you will gain a lot of knowledge about genetics in the same gotra issue. And then you can tell me who is living in a fool's paradise.

 

[swaich]

bro sorry to say but i hav seen dis world more thn u....i might b younger tooo u....but still hav travelled a lot...

I am surprised you can say that without even knowing me! Well could be you are right, could be not. We will never know as we dont know each other.

.I hav lots of jat frdss....i hav find 1 thing common in about 80% highly educated jats that they dont wana marry in there own community...these khaps and jat traditions starts bothering them...i dont understand y?i think even u dont know much about khaps and jat tradition...u should gain some knowledge about them...m sure tht would definately change your perception towards them..cheerzz

So you have still not figured out why most of your educated Jat friends do not want to marry within your community. That is understandable. As we get educated, our world open up. We meet new people, interact explore new lands, cultures civilizations. This gives us an ability to compare and analyze one's own culture with others. So an uneducated person will think his culture is the best. All its customs, traditions are for the good only because he doesnt know any better. But an educated person will be able to analyze and pick and choose the aspects of his culture that suit him.

Brother, we can argue about genetics customs etc. But in the end it all boil downs to change. People change, times change and cultures change. If there's an aspect of the traditions that is not concurrent with the current time it will be discontinued by the people. This discontinuation can be both voluntary or somewhat forced.

Take the case of Sati. You might say this is a very extreme example, but 200 years ago it was a tradition. People probably took pride in it and women doing it were worshipped as Devis. But some intellectuals and pioneers understood that it has to go as it makes no sense. At the same time the British. govt banned it. So people gradually stopped doing it. Now we find the practice absurd. I believe so will be the case with many customs like same-gotra marriage just practiced in the name of tradition. They will die their own death.

 

[rakeshsehrawat]

अरे यू मुर्दा कुनसे ने पाड्या???

 

[cutejaatsandeep]

I am surprised you can say that without even knowing me! Well could be you are right, could be not. We will never know as we dont know each other.


So you have still not figured out why most of your educated Jat friends do not want to marry within your community. That is understandable. As we get educated, our world open up. We meet new people, interact explore new lands, cultures civilizations. This gives us an ability to compare and analyze one's own culture with others. So an uneducated person will think his culture is the best. All its customs, traditions are for the good only because he doesnt know any better. But an educated person will be able to analyze and pick and choose the aspects of his culture that suit him.

Brother, we can argue about genetics customs etc. But in the end it all boil downs to change. People change, times change and cultures change. If there's an aspect of the traditions that is not concurrent with the current time it will be discontinued by the people. This discontinuation can be both voluntary or somewhat forced.

Take the case of Sati. You might say this is a very extreme example, but 200 years ago it was a tradition. People probably took pride in it and women doing it were worshipped as Devis. But some intellectuals and pioneers understood that it has to go as it makes no sense. At the same time the British. govt banned it. So people gradually stopped doing it. Now we find the practice absurd. I believe so will be the case with many customs like same-gotra marriage just practiced in the name of tradition. They will die their own death.

bro read history jats were always against sati pratha and we jats were always in favour of widow remarriage.....all other omunities followw brahmin's tradition.but not jats....u should read more about our culture and traditions..there is a very old saying "half a knowledge is useless and it is very dangerous".......instead of writing here i believe you should read books on jat history...cheerzz

 

[swaich]

bro read history jats were always against sati pratha and we jats were always in favour of widow remarriage.....all other omunities followw brahmin's tradition.but not jats....u should read more about our culture and traditions..there is a very old saying "half a knowledge is useless and it is very dangerous".......instead of writing here i believe you should read books on jat history...cheerzz

I meant it as a general example. Sadly you didnt get my point.

 

[cutejaatsandeep]

I meant it as a general example. Sadly you didnt get my point.

we are here to talk about jats and dere traditions...u gave a wrong example.....i dont believe in wat brahmins do...

 

[swaich]

we are here to talk about jats and dere traditions...u gave a wrong example.....i dont believe in wat brahmins do...

The example wasnt about Brahmins. It was to explain how customs change with time. Now please try reading it again and apply it to the same-gotra issue.

 

[rekhasmriti]

I guess education - chnage ur perception

that make u question urselves- the relevance of those of customs n rituals

n justification of ostrasize such couples

after getting education - it is already too much pressure of job- expenses-promotion-career- future prospects

so we do not want to get us bothered by those khaps- n jat customs

let me marry some non-jat- do din naraz hoyenge gahrwale- phir man hi jayenge

very typical dialogue of such families of which i was witness"

" sath kam karta hai - theek hai pasand karte hai- ab unki zindagi hai- humne bhi mana nahi kiya-
ladka bhi acha hai - apna ghar hai- gadi bhi - bas theek hai"

there is one more
" one of my colleague happen to get married to jat gal - they are happy - but its been 3 years he has never been to his wife's house"

so sab type ke examples hai sir

but even i would prefer to marry non-jat- atleast gotra wala scene ka koi chance nahi

n these all khaps- customs- se long gone

Regards,

bro sorry to say but i hav seen dis world more thn u....i might b younger tooo u....but still hav travelled a lot....hav lots of jat frdss....i hav find 1 thing common in about 80% highly educated jats that they dont wana marry in there own community...these khaps and jat traditions starts bothering them...i dont understand y?i think even u dont know much about khaps and jat tradition...u should gain some knowledge about them...m sure tht would definately change your perception towards them..cheerzz

 

[rekhasmriti]

Awesome-------that sati wala example sir

I am surprised you can say that without even knowing me! Well could be you are right, could be not. We will never know as we dont know each other.


So you have still not figured out why most of your educated Jat friends do not want to marry within your community. That is understandable. As we get educated, our world open up. We meet new people, interact explore new lands, cultures civilizations. This gives us an ability to compare and analyze one's own culture with others. So an uneducated person will think his culture is the best. All its customs, traditions are for the good only because he doesnt know any better. But an educated person will be able to analyze and pick and choose the aspects of his culture that suit him.

Brother, we can argue about genetics customs etc. But in the end it all boil downs to change. People change, times change and cultures change. If there's an aspect of the traditions that is not concurrent with the current time it will be discontinued by the people. This discontinuation can be both voluntary or somewhat forced.

Take the case of Sati. You might say this is a very extreme example, but 200 years ago it was a tradition. People probably took pride in it and women doing it were worshipped as Devis. But some intellectuals and pioneers understood that it has to go as it makes no sense. At the same time the British. govt banned it. So people gradually stopped doing it. Now we find the practice absurd. I believe so will be the case with many customs like same-gotra marriage just practiced in the name of tradition. They will die their own death.

 

[swaich]

I guess education - chnage ur perception

that make u question urselves- the relevance of those of customs n rituals

n justification of ostrasize such couples

after getting education - it is already too much pressure of job- expenses-promotion-career- future prospects

so we do not want to get us bothered by those khaps- n jat customs

let me marry some non-jat- do din naraz hoyenge gahrwale- phir man hi jayenge

very typical dialogue of such families of which i was witness"

" sath kam karta hai - theek hai pasand karte hai- ab unki zindagi hai- humne bhi mana nahi kiya-
ladka bhi acha hai - apna ghar hai- gadi bhi - bas theek hai"

there is one more
" one of my colleague happen to get married to jat gal - they are happy - but its been 3 years he has never been to his wife's house"

so sab type ke examples hai sir

but even i would prefer to marry non-jat- atleast gotra wala scene ka koi chance nahi

n these all khaps- customs- se long gone

Regards,

That is correct. Slowly and slowly differences between communities and cultures are going to melt away.

10 years now, if this forum is around (it should be as it presents a tremendous platform) we might be amazed to look back and realize that so many of us were justifying same-gotra marriage.

 

[samarkadian]

That is correct. Slowly and slowly differences between communities and cultures are going to melt away.

10 years now, if this forum is around (it should be as it presents a tremendous platform) we might be amazed to look back and realize that so many of us were justifying same-gotra marriage.

Well Einstein, I rest my case.

 

[samarkadian]

I guess education - chnage ur perception


Regards,

Yes, you are right. I am curious about your English teacher?

 

[rekhasmriti]

hahahhahahahh- again most unpredictable


n if you won't mind sir

in what regards???????????????????/

yar itni buri nahi hai meri angrezi

still curious wat made u say that



now plz don't tell me that was becoz of incorrect spelling of " Change "

aur aisa hai bhi , toh bhi mat bolna

i think so highly of u- kinda admire ur intellegence

i can not expect that on basis on that petty thing u passed such comment

Yes, you are right. I am curious about your English teacher?

 

[ygulia]

It is not only spelling mistakes but grammatical too.

hahahhahahahh- again most unpredictable


n if you won't mind sir

in what regards???????????????????/

yar itni buri nahi hai meri angrezi

still curious wat made u say that



now plz don't tell me that was becoz of incorrect spelling of " Change "

aur aisa hai bhi , toh bhi mat bolna

i think so highly of u- kinda admire ur intellegence

i can not expect that on basis on that petty thing u passed such comment

 

[virj]

Whatever Sarh dada means. Does that mean you dont want to continue the discussion?

तू तेरे सड दादे की पोती त ब्याह करन ने तयार स तेरे त में के बहस करूँ. अगली मांग थारी होगी सागी परदादे की पोती त ब्याह हर फेर सागी दादा हार बाप प आ जाओगे. गू में डले मारण त छींटे तो मुह पे ही लगा करे हे

 

[swaich]

Well Einstein, I rest my case.

Suit yourself.