Those guilty of "Within Gotra" marriage should be ostrasized by JAT's... Yes or No ?

Those guilty of "Within Gotra" marriage should be ostracized... Yes or No ?

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ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha........

bhai public forum mai aisi batein kar ke apne gyan ka pardarshan mat karo... NASA wale pakad le jayangae....

jokes apart... genetics... doodh mai pani milane jitni aasaan nahi hai bhai... kisi doc se baat karo... thoda gyan badhao...

swaich said:
How do they remain the same? You are 50% your fathers genes and 50% your mother's genes. Your genes are only half similar to your father's. So your DNA carried by genes have changed.


It makes sense only for a few generations. But once your gene pool is diverse enough, one doesnt need to follow it.
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sanjeev1984 said:
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha........jokes apart... genetics... doodh mai pani milane jitni aasaan nahi hai bhai... kisi doc se baat karo... thoda gyan badhao...
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You are right Friend to say that to understand principles and application of genetics as a subject due seriousness is required.

Thanks
 
Hamne na jeetni koi debate wibate .. ya, koi school ki debate konya ... Tu jeet gaya nu maan le, lekin hamna karte same gotra marriage aur naa hi support karte .. tu ghanna asli JATT hai, samaj sudharak .. ja tu khush reh le!

Lekin crux is same .. we don't support same gotra marriage .. if you do it's ur problem not Jat Samaj's .. aur fer bhi na maane tu, to fer nu kar kissi gaam main jaake bade-bujurgo dhore kar ya debate .. 2-4 latth padenge tab samaj aayegi thare!

Ghanni vaad-vivaad pratiyogta chaal rehi ... !!

swaich said:
Who are you to define a true Jatt? Its not your or anybody's copyright. If you cant debate, keep out!
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Yo Times of India wala swaich aur yo bhai Aik jaise hi hain, pahle toh ye pata karna chahiye ki ye Jat hain bhi ke na aur fir baat ko tavojo deni chahiye, Kya maloom dilution case ho aur sirf bat ka batangad banana hi maksad ho.
 
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Till date none of you have been able to refute my understanding of transfer of DNA and genes from a generation to the next, but your only argument is that genetics is not so easy and simple as I see it. So explain how and where I am wrong. For your benefit the argument in question is:

If C is a child of A and B, then C's genes = 50% A + 50% B

Can somebody please explain whats wrong here?
 
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Yo Times of India wala swaich aur yo bhai Aik jaise hi hain, pahle toh ye pata karna chahiye ki ye Jat hain bhi ke na aur fir baat ko tavojo deni chahiye, Kya maloom dilution case ho aur sirf bat ka batangad banana hi maksad ho.
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Pucho bhai aapko kya pata karna hai?

Aur ye ToI wala swaich kaun hai? Pehle bhi kisi ne isi thread pe yahi kaha tha. Bhai koi link shink ho to mujhe bhi dikha do yeh ToI wala Swaich.

I am using my real name in my profile. Please feel free to dig it up online.
 
sanjeev1984 said:
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha........

bhai public forum mai aisi batein kar ke apne gyan ka pardarshan mat karo... NASA wale pakad le jayangae....

jokes apart... genetics... doodh mai pani milane jitni aasaan nahi hai bhai... kisi doc se baat karo... thoda gyan badhao...
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Aap yeh to keh dete hain ki main galat hun par yeh nahi bata pate ki sahi kya hai. Kripa karke batayein main kaha galat hun.
 
puneetlakra said:
Mr Swaich, gotra forbidding really means best new breed to come after mating with new and different genetics chains ,
three different from father side and three from mother side , when we cross breed with the same DNA chain then we won't get the best and better breed that why our Intelligent forefathers developed this gotra forbidding system to get the better breed, even you are also the are example of this system , Is 6-7 generation are so wise and quicker as you are ? no . is your next few generations have same qualities which you have ? no they become much better if you follows the right system
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Bhai, read my posts again. All I have said is that avoiding same gotras for marriages made sense when all gotras were small in number and the Jat community itself was small. But as the community grew, each and every gotra imbibed genes of other gotras via marriages and as such every gotra got mixed with other gotras. Hence after a few generations two families of the same gotra would have mixed so much with other gotras that they would be very different from each other and hence pose no health risk if they were to marry each other.

I can understand when adhering to customs is the only reason. And that is a valid reason. But people here refuse to acknowledge it and instead make vague statements about genetics being complex and what not. At least be honest and say that we dont care if its OK genetically, we are NOT OK because of customs.
 
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Well, Mr. Swaich,

It seems you have more than made up your mind not to understand. Just an example - It is something like no matter however much hard evidence india presents on terrorism, everytime Pakistan says it is insufficient or the same is not valid.

The reason why it is being said that genetics is not so simple is that it is in fact a complex field. It is not simply the interplay of 50% of genes from father and 50% from mother. There are dominant genes, recessive genes, there is mutation, etc. etc. If according to you the entire set of genes change within a span of 10 generations, palaentologists are fools who say that it took millions of years for mankind to reach where they are BECAUSE ACCORDING TO YOU EVOLUTION TAKES PLACE WITHIN A SPAN OF 10 GENERATIONS (AROUND 250 YEARS).

If you are still not willing to consider the facts as they are, please don't.

swaich said:
Till date none of you have been able to refute my understanding of transfer of DNA and genes from a generation to the next, but your only argument is that genetics is not so easy and simple as I see it. So explain how and where I am wrong. For your benefit the argument in question is:

If C is a child of A and B, then C's genes = 50% A + 50% B

Can somebody please explain whats wrong here?
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AbhikRana said:
Well, Mr. Swaich,

It seems you have more than made up your mind not to understand. Just an example - It is something like no matter however much hard evidence india presents on terrorism, everytime Pakistan says it is insufficient or the same is not valid.

The reason why it is being said that genetics is not so simple is that it is in fact a complex field. It is not simply the interplay of 50% of genes from father and 50% from mother. There are dominant genes, recessive genes, there is mutation, etc. etc. If according to you the entire set of genes change within a span of 10 generations, palaentologists are fools who say that it took millions of years for mankind to reach where they are BECAUSE ACCORDING TO YOU EVOLUTION TAKES PLACE WITHIN A SPAN OF 10 GENERATIONS (AROUND 250 YEARS).

If you are still not willing to consider the facts as they are, please don't.
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Thanks for finally explaining, instead of just saying genetics is far more complex etc etc.

Of course mutations happen and genes change. Thats a known fact. But I was talking about the overall transfer of gene from generation to generation. Mutations do happen altering the genetic structure. But my argument was that at a very basic level, a person's genes are inherited in equal quantity from his/her parents, who in turn have inherited them from their parents and so on. So a child's genes (a new set of genes creation) will be a 50% - 50% combination of his parents genes. Are we agreed at this point? I will only continue on to my next point if we are on the same page here. Let me know.
 
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bhai mai ek mechanical engineer hu... geneticst nahi hu to exectly 100% sahi kya hota hai ye to nahi bata sakta, but 12th tak biology padhi hai... us se itna to gyan ho gaya tha ki :) ye "If C is a child of A and B, then C's genes = 50% A + 50% B" bilkul galat hai... or ruhi baat sahi ko pata karne ki to uske liye to ye link "http://genetics.thetech.org/ask-a-geneticist" aapki kafi help kar sakta hai...

bye the way i have found a new joke to submit on "http://www.juliantrubin.com/cloningjokes.html"... which is "If C is a child of A and B, then C's genes = 50% A + 50% B".... god!!!! i'll dye laughing.... :D


swaich said:
Till date none of you have been able to refute my understanding of transfer of DNA and genes from a generation to the next, but your only argument is that genetics is not so easy and simple as I see it. So explain how and where I am wrong. For your benefit the argument in question is:

If C is a child of A and B, then C's genes = 50% A + 50% B

Can somebody please explain whats wrong here?
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sanjeev1984 said:
bhai mai ek mechanical engineer hu... geneticst nahi hu to exectly 100% sahi kya hota hai ye to nahi bata sakta, but 12th tak biology padhi hai... us se itna to gyan ho gaya tha ki :) ye "If C is a child of A and B, then C's genes = 50% A + 50% B" bilkul galat hai... or ruhi baat sahi ko pata karne ki to uske liye to ye link "http://genetics.thetech.org/ask-a-geneticist" aapki kafi help kar sakta hai...

bye the way i have found a new joke to submit on "http://www.juliantrubin.com/cloningjokes.html"... which is "If C is a child of A and B, then C's genes = 50% A + 50% B".... god!!!! i'll dye laughing.... :D
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You can read this :
The genetic material in the chromosomes is inherited equally from both parents. The sperm contains 23 chromosomes, one from each pair, in its nucleus. It is a very small cell, with hardly any cytoplasm besides what it needs to help it swim to the ovum, or egg. Like the sperm, the egg also contributes 23 chromosomes to the fertilized zygote, which then grows and develops into an embryo, then a fetus, and then a baby.
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Read more here - http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/mole00/mole00481.htm

And here's more from Wiki which is referenced to a University of Utah site:
Genes are inherited as units, with two parents dividing out copies of their genes to their offspring. You can think of this process like mixing two hands of cards, shuffling them, and then dealing them out again. Humans have two copies of each of their genes and when people reproduce they make copies of their genes and put them into eggs or sperm, but only put in one copy of each type of gene. When an egg joins with a sperm, this gives a child a complete set of genes. This child will have the same number of genes as its parents, but for any gene one of their two copies will come from their father, and one from their mother.[SUP][1][/SUP]
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Link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introduction_to_genetics


Here's more, quoting the famous, Mendel -

Like the fact that you are a composite of your parents—your mother and father each provided you with half your genes, and each parent’s contribution was equal. Gregor Mendel, often called the father of moderngenetics, came up with this concept in the late 19th century, and it has been the basis for our understanding of genetics ever since.
But in the past couple of decades, scientists have learned that Mendel’s understanding was incomplete. It is true that children inherit 23 chromosomes from their mother and 23 complementary chromosomes from their father. But it turns out that genes from Mom and Dad do not always exert the same level of influence on the developing fetus. Sometimes it matters which parent you inherit a gene from—the genes in these cases, called imprinted genes because they carry an extra molecule like a stamp, add a whole new level of complexity to Mendelian inheritance. These molecular imprints silence genes; certain imprinted genes are silenced by the mother, whereas others are silenced by the father, and the result is the delicate balance of gene activation that usually produces a healthy baby.
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Source: From the Scientific American http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=a-patchwork-mind


Now I dont know what you understood, but the above is exactly what I meant. One each from our parents. 50%- 50%.

Ab has lo bhai?
 
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Ab tak aur kuchh hua ya na hua;

is bahane donoan paksh research to kar rahe hain;

sayad jaldi hi sarvmanya hal nikal aye!!!

Best of luck!!
 
bhai

"If C is a child of A and B, then C's genes = 50% A + 50% B" and "C" is first child....
and "If D is a child of A and B, then C's genes = 50% A + 50% B" and "D" is second child....
and "If E is a child of A and B, then C's genes = 50% A + 50% B" and "E" is third child....

according to you every time their children would get 50% genes of each of them... now tell me "Why do children from the same parents have different sex, heights, different eye colors, body builds, personalities, etc.?"

I am telling you again... better you visit two type of doctors, brother....
1. geneticist. (he will explain you the concepts of genes)
and
2. psychiatrist (he will help you to.......)

waise aap scientific jokes likhna suru kar do... accha kaam mil jayega aapko...

swaich said:
You can read this :

Read more here - http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/mole00/mole00481.htm

And here's more from Wiki which is referenced to a University of Utah site:


Link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introduction_to_genetics

Now I dont know what you understood, but the above is exactly what I meant. One each from our parents. 50%- 50%.

Ab has lo bhai?
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sanjeev1984 said:
bhai

"If C is a child of A and B, then C's genes = 50% A + 50% B" and "C" is first child....
and "If D is a child of A and B, then C's genes = 50% A + 50% B" and "D" is second child....
and "If E is a child of A and B, then C's genes = 50% A + 50% B" and "E" is third child....

according to you every time their children would get 50% genes of each of them... now tell me "Why do children from the same parents have different sex, heights, different eye colors, body builds, personalities, etc.?"

I am telling you again... better you visit two type of doctors, brother....
1. geneticist. (he will explain you the concepts of genes)
and
2. psychiatrist (he will help you to.......)

waise aap scientific jokes likhna suru kar do... accha kaam mil jayega aapko...
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Bhai ab aapko link bhi dikha diye aap fir bhi samajh nahi paye. Probably Abhik can explain better since he has studied genetics. But agar aapne links dhyaan se pade hote to aapki yeh questions ka jawab bhi mil jata. Par koi baat nahin, let me try.

The reason why not all siblings look the same is because even though they inherit the same quantity of genes from their parents, genes activity isnt always the same. Sometimes one or few genes can become dominant from each parent. Why or when, we dont know.

When genes combine some are subdued while some become active. But there is hardly a way to suggest which will become dominant.

But this domination or recession of any particular gene doesnt mean the gene structure alters. They still remain equally inherited from both parents.

I have ignored your personal comments uptill now. But if thats all you have by way of counters to my scientifically backed posts, I pity you.
 
swaich said:
Till date none of you have been able to refute my understanding of transfer of DNA and genes from a generation to the next, but your only argument is that genetics is not so easy and simple as I see it. So explain how and where I am wrong. For your benefit the argument in question is:

If C is a child of A and B, then C's genes = 50% A + 50% B

Can somebody please explain whats wrong here?
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A=SWAICH
B=SWAICH

C=SWIACH

A SWAICH h aur usme jo genes hain vo SWIACH k hain.
usne B se shadi ki jo Swaich hai jisme SWIACH k he genes hain....
unka jo bacha hoga vo h C usme 50% A k genes hain aur 50% B k genes hain.....
Ab C me total genes ek he type k hain jo ki SWIACH h......

If a person having different genes then his immune system should be strong......but if a person having same type of genes then immune system cause lots of genetic problems in next generation.

I think you understand.......otherwise go through some genetic engineering blogs or articles....
 
SWIACH simple si baat h ek baat bata.......
Tu SWIACH hai aur tu apne e ghar me kisi chorri te shadi kar lega?chahe ya chacha ki ho ya tau ki chorri ho?

agar tu JATT hai to ek baat bata du
Haryana me shadi k time 3 gotra ho se jime shadi ni kar sakte

1)maa ka gotra
2)papa ka gotra
3)dadi ka gotra
NOTE: Pehle NANI ka gotra me include hoya karta
inme shadi ni kar sakte kyuki va sister mani ja hai.

iske alava
1)apne gaam k ghawand me to kisi ladki se shadi ni kar sakta kyuki va b sister mani ja hai.
2)Sath gama hoya kare (har gaam k 7 gaam me bhaichara mana jaya kare) usme b tu kisi chorri te shadi na kar sakta kyuki va b sister mani ja se.

ye rules b kimme soch samajh k bana rakhe se.....

KATTU SHABS: Je koi same gotra me shadi kare h to us chorre me "BEBE KA LOG" kaha kare......aur is per kuch gazab gazab galli b se tane sun b rakhi hongi (yu public site se chorri b se aade,na to tane khul k b bata deta).

Aur agar ebb b tane koi confusion ho to gaam me ja k bol k dekh liye ki main to SWIACH te e shadi karunga.....mar mar k lath bandar jisa lal pacha bana denge.

P.S: Bhai Haryana me jo rules hain vo ye hain,baki states ka mane bera ni.
 
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