Those guilty of "Within Gotra" marriage should be ostrasized by JAT's... Yes or No ?

[tarzon]

Are you trying to say that sometimes a society's norms are above the law of the land?

I think laws of a country like ours was made after a careful consideration of society itself. Those people were probably more learned than me or you or anybody else on this forum for that matter.

Jaspreet,

Our country has lots of diversity. The law has been formulated by some person like you and me, the law maker are not God, so we can't take the word of law maker as Holy Bhagwat Gita words in each and every case. In the history of Independent India our law has been already amended 100's of times.

The lawmaker can't impose a law on whole society, if that law doesn't match with the tradition of the that particular society.

As avoiding Gotra system is a respected tradition among Jat community, then Jat have the full right to practice this tradition as a society, nobody have the right to teach a lesson to Jat community on this issue. If Law is not formulated as per this tradition, then law should have to amended in such a way that Gotra system will get legal sanctity.

We should have to spread awareness in our coming generation about our gotra system tradition and present in that manner that they should have to feel proud on this tradition, as this tradition is no way a regressive tradition.

However, I don't support any kind of killing of any couple even if they breach this Gotra line. But If any couple breach this line they should not have to live at the same place where people won't respect this relationship..they should have leave that place and settled at any far area where people don't bother about gotra and family should allow them settle somewhere else instead of killing them. Nobody have the right to kill anyone. Such couple also do not try to become superman like we'll fight with whole society...no matter what will happen!

 

[kapdal]

A quick look at last few pages and I don't understand what the disagreement is about. It seems that everyone is making the same point, but still disagreeing.

Before you go into the science question, can anyone tell me why is the science question important? Are you following gotra bhaichara because it is scientific? Are you going to stop following it if it was unscientific?

My father gives some token money to any Dalal girl he comes across when he is visiting any village on a social visit and finds one married in the neighborhood. Is there anything scientific about? He does it as the bhaichara is ingrained in him. It doesn't make any difference if it is scientific or not.

You follow customs and rituals as a matter of faith, not because they have been proven in a lab. It is something that ties you to a community, makes you a part of a group.
All this bickering about proving how scientific gotra bhaichara is only shows our need to get legitimacy for it. If the community wants to follow it, no one can stop it from following it. It is suffice to say that we believe in gotra bhaichara, hence we follow. No other arguments are needed just like no argument is needed in going to a temple or doing a namaaz.

I strongly feel that we should stop talking about science when we talk about gotra system. The logic being debated is that of diversification of genetic pool and you get sufficient diversification as long as you are not systematically inbreeding. As far as genetics is concerned, it is equally likely that you get one from male or female side. Our system gives more weightage to paternal side as you leave all generations of your own gotra (your paternal lineage), your mother's gotra (your mother's paternal lineage) and your dadi's (dadi's paternal lineage). But this doesn't cover some maternal sides like mother's mother's lineage or father's mother's mother's lineage. So theoretically our custom promotes more diversification but with much more weightage to paternal lineages. From what I gathered, both sides were making broadly the same arguments. It is not something you can prove as either scientific or unscientific, so it is not really worth doing your PhD on.

 

[drrajpalsingh]

Jaspreet,

Our country has lots of diversity. The law has been formulated by some person like you and me, the law maker are not God, so we can't take the word of law maker as Holy Bhagwat Gita words in each and every case. In the history of Independent India our law has been already amended 100's of times.

The lawmaker can't impose a law on whole society, if that law doesn't match with the tradition of the that particular society.

As avoiding Gotra system is a respected tradition among Jat community, then Jat have the full right to practice this tradition as a society, nobody have the right to teach a lesson to Jat community on this issue. If Law is not formulated as per this tradition, then law should have to amended in such a way that Gotra system will get legal sanctity.

We should have to spread awareness in our coming generation about our gotra system tradition and present in that manner that they should have to feel proud on this tradition, as this tradition is no way a regressive tradition.

However, I don't support any kind of killing of any couple even if they breach this Gotra line. But If any couple breach this line they should not have to live at the same place where people won't respect this relationship..they should have leave that place and settled at any far area where people don't bother about gotra and family should allow them settle somewhere else instead of killing them. Nobody have the right to kill anyone. Such couple also do not try to become superman like we'll fight with whole society...no matter what will happen!

Excellent Post. No better summing up of the thread seems possible! Hence, all must say in unison, Happy ending of the thread and from here Adieu!! Thanks.

 

[swaich]

I think both the protagonists and antagonists of the same gotra marriages have used all the ashtars and shastras in their armoury; so time has arrived to take rest, if you please. Cease fire, re-equip with latest arguments supported by reference material and we can meet again !!!
Thanks

While your attempts to moderate the discussion seem laudable, they are not without its own motives. You yourself have taken one of the sides in this discussion and have appeared as a moderator conveniently whenever the argument seems to be shifting against the side your support. You didnt appear to moderate when personal comments and insinuation were made. You didnt come in when people questioned the law. I see this a false show of impartiality and a selective attitude of yours to play peace-maker.

As for reference material, I have provided enough to close the scientific and genetic side of the debate. And I had to provide material since the so called experts ridiculed me on my notion of transfer and inheritance of genes from a generation to next. And mind you these genetics facts were all too well known to me and in fact were already mentioned in a couple of posts by another clear-headed members in page 5 or 6 of this thread. But I still had to provide them as people were hell bent on negating these simple fundamentals of genetics. So its up to the other party to furnish reference material. And please feel free to help them.

 

[swaich]

A quick look at last few pages and I don't understand what the disagreement is about. It seems that everyone is making the same point, but still disagreeing.

Before you go into the science question, can anyone tell me why is the science question important? Are you following gotra bhaichara because it is scientific? Are you going to stop following it if it was unscientific?

My father gives some token money to any Dalal girl he comes across when he is visiting any village on a social visit and finds one married in the neighborhood. Is there anything scientific about? He does it as the bhaichara is ingrained in him. It doesn't make any difference if it is scientific or not.

You follow customs and rituals as a matter of faith, not because they have been proven in a lab. It is something that ties you to a community, makes you a part of a group.
All this bickering about proving how scientific gotra bhaichara is only shows our need to get legitimacy for it. If the community wants to follow it, no one can stop it from following it. It is suffice to say that we believe in gotra bhaichara, hence we follow. No other arguments are needed just like no argument is needed in going to a temple or doing a namaaz.

I strongly feel that we should stop talking about science when we talk about gotra system. The logic being debated is that of diversification of genetic pool and you get sufficient diversification as long as you are not systematically inbreeding. As far as genetics is concerned, it is equally likely that you get one from male or female side. Our system gives more weightage to paternal side as you leave all generations of your own gotra (your paternal lineage), your mother's gotra (your mother's paternal lineage) and your dadi's (dadi's paternal lineage). But this doesn't cover some maternal sides like mother's mother's lineage or father's mother's mother's lineage. So theoretically our custom promotes more diversification but with much more weightage to paternal lineages. From what I gathered, both sides were making broadly the same arguments. It is not something you can prove as either scientific or unscientific, so it is not really worth doing your PhD on.

Ageed, the issue should be debated as a custom and tradition rather than bringing any scientific angles into it. But people wanted justification for their customs and sought to defend it by saying the custom reduced genetic in-breeding. The science angle comes in when we talk of the law and of the effects of harsh measures taken by Khaps. These measures have led to death and to ostracization and social boycotts of people. So when law is with you, science is with you what right does a society have to harm a couple and take law into their own hands?

 

[swaich]

Jaspreet,

Our country has lots of diversity. The law has been formulated by some person like you and me, the law maker are not God, so we can't take the word of law maker as Holy Bhagwat Gita words in each and every case. In the history of Independent India our law has been already amended 100's of times.

The lawmaker can't impose a law on whole society, if that law doesn't match with the tradition of the that particular society.

As avoiding Gotra system is a respected tradition among Jat community, then Jat have the full right to practice this tradition as a society, nobody have the right to teach a lesson to Jat community on this issue. If Law is not formulated as per this tradition, then law should have to amended in such a way that Gotra system will get legal sanctity.

We should have to spread awareness in our coming generation about our gotra system tradition and present in that manner that they should have to feel proud on this tradition, as this tradition is no way a regressive tradition.

However, I don't support any kind of killing of any couple even if they breach this Gotra line. But If any couple breach this line they should not have to live at the same place where people won't respect this relationship..they should have leave that place and settled at any far area where people don't bother about gotra and family should allow them settle somewhere else instead of killing them. Nobody have the right to kill anyone. Such couple also do not try to become superman like we'll fight with whole society...no matter what will happen!

You have made a good point that he law too is after all for the people and should be amended to suit the people if the so desire.

But the fact of the matter is that law doesnt change for any particular community except for religious norms. Our constitution guarantees the same basic laws and right to everyone irrespective of their caste and community. Its only religious beliefs that are left untampered by the courts of law. And even then people have tried to take same gotra marriage into the courts. More than 40 years ago SC decided on a same gotra case and quotes religious Hindu texts to throw out the case against same gotra marriage. Even a few years when Khap issue was in media highlights, a man tried to go to court to seek ban on same gotra marriages. The case was thrown out again.

The trouble with society's laws is that they arent written down anywhere and society itself is so dynamic and in a state of constant flux that it changes its norms very frequently. While in the case of religion, because there is a code written down in religious text, framing laws is simpler. But society's norms aren't collected in one place or written down anywhere. So if one community wishes to change the laws to suit itself then it would have to show a text where all laws are written and prescribed to the members of the community. Apart from that the only way to amend the laws is to seek a referendum on the issue. If all Jats agree with it then it could be made a law. But that will open a can of worms as we have literally thousands of communities and law cant be amended to suit everyone.

 

[drrajpalsingh]

While your attempts to moderate the discussion seem laudable, they are not without its own motives. You yourself have taken one of the sides in this discussion and have appeared as a moderator conveniently whenever the argument seems to be shifting against the side your support. You didnt appear to moderate when personal comments and insinuation were made. You didnt come in when people questioned the law. I see this a false show of impartiality and a selective attitude of yours to play peace-maker. .......

Mr. Swaich,

I fear you are in hurry to bring about a revolution in the tradition bound ancient civilisation of India by adopting tough postures and expressing radical views without understanding the intricate situation in which we are placed today. The outburst of IT and consequent effects have shocked the Indian traditional social set up beyond limits and their sense of pride in the ancient system is shaken. They are trying to understand how to face the changing scenario. To my mind time is the best panacea in such situations which should be used to educate them in a moderate manner.
Further,I am always open to discuss issues and posts not persons. Yes, your anguish is understandable on the point that you as a person was target of comments in some posts; this was unwanted and avoidable in such serious debates. But both the sides seemed provoked and none is to blame for it.

Further, I am of the view, judicious mixture of traditional wisdom and enactment of laws of the land based on scientifically proven facts could usher in a silent revolution in the march forward of the multi-cultural fabric of Indian society. Instead of radical departure from ancient cultural and moral path gradual enlightenment of the society on the need of adoption of scientific temper by educating, not denouncing their ancient culture and heritage, is needed to bring about some sort of social revolution. It cannot be forced by any sort of coercion as is proved by the set back to Family Planning Drive in mid 1970's faced. The same opponents now are educated to adopt it and are adopting it willingly.
Therefore, I am of the opinion that the law of the land is supreme but law enforcement is for the protection of individual as well as collective safety of life and property of the nation.
Rest you are free to carry on your argumentative debate based on 'scientific reference material' so long as you wish. My good wishes. Keep it up.

Thanks

 

[vikasjat]

Good point. Reversing your own logic around, you might marry someone from the different gotra but it might be that you had a common ancestor some generations back. So there is no guarantee either which way.

And if you think a little more, since all gotras have common origins and all Jatts have strictly married within the community, we are the most genetically homogenous community. We are all mixed (increasing the risk of genetic problems) as we have married within the community for hundreds of years.

bhai fer tu kehna k chave hai???????????????
agar depth me ja k dekhe to ye manav jatti ek he insaan se aayi h..........
jo ab h uski baat kar.
chal man liya tu open minded banda h to tu nu bata ki apne ghar me chacha ki chorri ya tau ki chorri te shadi kr lega???????????
iska jawab de pehle to................

aaj tu nu keh h ki same gotra me shadi thek h........kal ne tere jisi vichardhara aale 3-4 bhai aur hoge to ghar ki ghar me e shadhne ki bolenge.....ye maha bakwas kyukar man lega JAT samaj?????????????????????????????

 

[swaich]

bhai fer tu kehna k chave hai???????????????
agar depth me ja k dekhe to ye manav jatti ek he insaan se aayi h..........
jo ab h uski baat kar.
chal man liya tu open minded banda h to tu nu bata ki apne ghar me chacha ki chorri ya tau ki chorri te shadi kr lega???????????
iska jawab de pehle to................

aaj tu nu keh h ki same gotra me shadi thek h........kal ne tere jisi vichardhara aale 3-4 bhai aur hoge to ghar ki ghar me e shadhne ki bolenge.....ye maha bakwas kyukar man lega JAT samaj?????????????????????????????

Bhai..main sirf itna keh raha hun ki agar hum jis cheez pe arhe hue hain...uska koi rational ta scintific logic hai hi nahin...to kya uske liye logo ka boycott karna ya itni strict punishment dena ki wo mare jayen uchit hai?

Main yeh nahi kehta ki apni cousin se shaadi kar lo. Kabhi nahi. Par yeh jaan ne ke baad ki same-gotra marriage se koi medical risk nahi hai, hamare samaj ka reaction to change hona chaiye na..? All I am trying to achieve through this discussion is make people understand that violence or social boycott is not an answer to this perceived crime.

 

[swaich]

Mr. Swaich,

I fear you are in hurry to bring about a revolution in the tradition bound ancient civilisation of India by adopting tough postures and expressing radical views without understanding the intricate situation in which we are placed today. The outburst of IT and consequent effects have shocked the Indian traditional social set up beyond limits and their sense of pride in the ancient system is shaken. They are trying to understand how to face the changing scenario. To my mind time is the best panacea in such situations which should be used to educate them in a moderate manner.
Further,I am always open to discuss issues and posts not persons. Yes, your anguish is understandable on the point that you as a person was target of comments in some posts; this was unwanted and avoidable in such serious debates. But both the sides seemed provoked and none is to blame for it.

Further, I am of the view, judicious mixture of traditional wisdom and enactment of laws of the land based on scientifically proven facts could usher in a silent revolution in the march forward of the multi-cultural fabric of Indian society. Instead of radical departure from ancient cultural and moral path gradual enlightenment of the society on the need of adoption of scientific temper by educating, not denouncing their ancient culture and heritage, is needed to bring about some sort of social revolution. It cannot be forced by any sort of coercion as is proved by the set back to Family Planning Drive in mid 1970's faced. The same opponents now are educated to adopt it and are adopting it willingly.
Therefore, I am of the opinion that the law of the land is supreme but law enforcement is for the protection of individual as well as collective safety of life and property of the nation.
Rest you are free to carry on your argumentative debate based on 'scientific reference material' so long as you wish. My good wishes. Keep it up.

Thanks

I do not give myself so much credit or importance to believe that I am on a mission to change the course of society. That would be an extremely hilarious proposition.

I believe we are here to discuss our opinion on issues that affect our community as logically as possible. And logically almost always involves science. If people bring it down to personal level, for whatever reason it shows them in a very bad light. At that point they have already lost the discussion and it defeats the purpose of the forum.

As for you, I was saddened to see that you couldnt take a neutral approach in spite of your experience and educational background. But I guess, we are all human after all and will pick sides for whatever reason.

And as I said, I have already furnished enough reference material to settle the scientific side of things. I always maintained that the debate is more about customs and traditions as scientific basis is lacking.

 

[sure]

Jaspreet,

Our country has lots of diversity. The law has been formulated by some person like you and me, the law maker are not God, so we can't take the word of law maker as Holy Bhagwat Gita words in each and every case. In the history of Independent India our law has been already amended 100's of times.

The lawmaker can't impose a law on whole society, if that law doesn't match with the tradition of the that particular society.

As avoiding Gotra system is a respected tradition among Jat community, then Jat have the full right to practice this tradition as a society, nobody have the right to teach a lesson to Jat community on this issue. If Law is not formulated as per this tradition, then law should have to amended in such a way that Gotra system will get legal sanctity.

We should have to spread awareness in our coming generation about our gotra system tradition and present in that manner that they should have to feel proud on this tradition, as this tradition is no way a regressive tradition.

However, I don't support any kind of killing of any couple even if they breach this Gotra line. But If any couple breach this line they should not have to live at the same place where people won't respect this relationship..they should have leave that place and settled at any far area where people don't bother about gotra and family should allow them settle somewhere else instead of killing them. Nobody have the right to kill anyone. Such couple also do not try to become superman like we'll fight with whole society...no matter what will happen!

Thanks Vivek, good one and to the point. some one take these views or not its his/her coice.

 

[sure]

My request to JatLanders that Mr. Swiach is not going to stop and no one can make him understand as he is very very learned person and have all directions open. Dada Lakhmichand na kaha hai Nugre Manas ke chogarde na rah. Inka koi Bharosa nah, ye Bua Bahan na tak le. So I just lik to mention ke aise insaano se toh ghar walon ko bhi khatra rahata hai. Society ki baat toh alag hai. So better stop and undersatand that nugra manas aankh badal ja samajhdar ki mar ho sa.

 

[vikasjat]

Bhai, first of all thanks for talking about the issue scientifically as opposed to many others here. I understand what you are trying to say. But here's my point -



You took the example of following :

A=SWAICH and B=SWAICH hence, C=SWAICH. This is fair but in reality, since A is also a product of two different genes: A = Swaich + Gotra X, and B = Swaich + Gotra Y. And even going back a step further, The 'Swaich' in A is also a mix of Swaich + another gotra. So is the case for Y. So going back to the first Swaich who was the original Swaich, everyone in the next generation is mixed. And with every generation the % of original Swaich genes has gone down.

bhai agar A aur B k maa babu b teri dhal same gotra me yakin rakhte honge to inke genes b same honge............aur agar aise he same gotra chalta raha to next generation ko problem hogi he.

So if lets assume A=Swaich (the first original Swaich guy who started the clan) marries B = Deol (assuming he marries outside the gotra as is the custom), their son C = 50% Swaich, C's son D = 25% Swaich and so on.....

Now this Swaich genes will reduce probably to .005% by the time of 10th or 12th generation.

Now lets again come back to your example i.e. A=SWAICH and B=SWAICH. How much Swaich genes do each one of them carry if they are 10th or 12th generation Swaich? The ans? Very small amount to cause risk.
BHAI agar A and B dono Swiach hain (same gotra) aur dono shadi karte hain aur C ka janam dete hain to usme dono k 50% genes hote hain.means sare genes SWIACH k hue.
aur scientific way me dekhe to parents k genes different hone chahiye jis se child me 50% alag alag genes ho taki genetic problem na ho.
same gotra me marriage se genetic problem hoti h..........tere reference k liye ek link send karunga padh lena.

And that was my whole argument. If considerable number of generations have passed and two families of the same gotra do not share the common known ancestor, then the % of actual gene of their gotra will reduce manifolds. Thus reducing the risk of decreasing immunity. Let me know if I am wrong somewhere.

Genes and genetics - related parents

A relationship between related people, such as siblings or cousins, is called consanguinity. Related parents are more likely than unrelated parents to have children with health problems or disorders. The closer the genetic relationship between the parents, the greater the risk of birth defects for their children. Genetic counselling is available for a couple who suspect they may be related.
Related parents are more likely than unrelated parents to have children with health problems or genetic disorders. This is because the two parents share one or more common ancestors and so carry some of the same genetic material. If both partners carry the same inherited altered (mutated) gene, their offspring are more likely to have a genetic disorder.
Ordinarily, two unrelated parents will have enough variation in their genes to ensure that their child has at least one normal copy of each gene. However, people with a common ancestor may each carry a copy of the same altered gene. This can make genetic disorders more likely to occur.

For more detail plz check this Link:
http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Genes_and_genetics_related_parents

 

[vikasjat]

My request to JatLanders that Mr. Swiach is not going to stop and no one can make him understand as he is very very learned person and have all directions open. Dada Lakhmichand na kaha hai Nugre Manas ke chogarde na rah. Inka koi Bharosa nah, ye Bua Bahan na tak le. So I just lik to mention ke aise insaano se toh ghar walon ko bhi khatra rahata hai. Society ki baat toh alag hai. So better stop and undersatand that nugra manas aankh badal ja samajhdar ki mar ho sa.

Surender bhai ek tarikka aur se rokan ka ki same gotra me shadi k bad log jo jo galiya diya kare vo sari likh deni chahiye aade....k bera ve gali padh k kimme asar e hoga......

yu hoye public forum gaya na to same gotra pe gaam me jo jo bola kare va sara chep dete......per thodi bot sharam karni pad ri se.

 

[vikasjat]

My request to JatLanders that Mr. Swiach is not going to stop and no one can make him understand as he is very very learned person and have all directions open. Dada Lakhmichand na kaha hai Nugre Manas ke chogarde na rah. Inka koi Bharosa nah, ye Bua Bahan na tak le. So I just lik to mention ke aise insaano se toh ghar walon ko bhi khatra rahata hai. Society ki baat toh alag hai. So better stop and undersatand that nugra manas aankh badal ja samajhdar ki mar ho sa.

dekhte jao je nue log educated hote rahe aur open minded hote rahe to isa b time dur ni jab log ghar ki ghar me shadi karenge........

kalug ka next version aa liya lage se......

 

[vikasjat]

Bhai..main sirf itna keh raha hun ki agar hum jis cheez pe arhe hue hain...uska koi rational ta scintific logic hai hi nahin...to kya uske liye logo ka boycott karna ya itni strict punishment dena ki wo mare jayen uchit hai?

Main yeh nahi kehta ki apni cousin se shaadi kar lo. Kabhi nahi. Par yeh jaan ne ke baad ki same-gotra marriage se koi medical risk nahi hai, hamare samaj ka reaction to change hona chaiye na..? All I am trying to achieve through this discussion is make people understand that violence or social boycott is not an answer to this perceived crime.

Swiach bhai baat h ya ki sidha koi kisi ne ni marta............pehle usne pyar te samjhave se....agar fer b na mane to apni izzat aur samaj ki parampara bachan khater marna b pade se......aur yu marna koi galat ni hai.

aur yu marne wala decision unke parents ka khud ka hota h bhai......

aur ek baat kahu per kehna ni chau tha......itni aag lagri se jo ki same gotra me (jo ki dekhe to BEBE hoyi) shadi karan me b saharm koni......kal ne apne ghar ki chorri gail shadi karan me b sharam na mane.......yu ghatiya kaam rokan khater to bhai ise ise OPEN MINDED marne e padenge.

 

[sure]

Surender bhai ek tarikka aur se rokan ka ki same gotra me shadi k bad log jo jo galiya diya kare vo sari likh deni chahiye aade....k bera ve gali padh k kimme asar e hoga......

yu hoye public forum gaya na to same gotra pe gaam me jo jo bola kare va sara chep dete......per thodi bot sharam karni pad ri se.

Sharm Bhi haam na ye karni padegi ees na nah aave. Sharm ka koi scientific reason ho toh aave, yo bhai sidh kar dega ki sharm niri bakwas hove kare sa.

 

[vikasjat]

Sharm Bhi haam na ye karni padegi ees na nah aave. Sharm ka koi scientific reason ho toh aave, yo bhai sidh kar dega ki sharm niri bakwas hove kare sa.

Surender bhai ek gazab ki new dekhi thi 1-2 saal pehle TV per,aaj is bhai ne dekh k samajh saka sa ki va kyu India me dikhai:

japan me ek plastic ki chorri bana rakhi se as a remote ki tarah work kre se. TV me news me b aayi thi bot pehle.
mane to lage va b kise open minded ne banayi hogi.....hahhahahhahahhha

to ye sare open minded aur same gotra ne thek samajhne wale wa plastic wali remote japan te order kar lo......KHAP b kuch na bole aur Gaam ki chorriya ki izzat b bachi rehgi.

 

[vikasjat]

While your attempts to moderate the discussion seem laudable, they are not without its own motives. You yourself have taken one of the sides in this discussion and have appeared as a moderator conveniently whenever the argument seems to be shifting against the side your support. You didnt appear to moderate when personal comments and insinuation were made. You didnt come in when people questioned the law. I see this a false show of impartiality and a selective attitude of yours to play peace-maker.

As for reference material, I have provided enough to close the scientific and genetic side of the debate. And I had to provide material since the so called experts ridiculed me on my notion of transfer and inheritance of genes from a generation to next. And mind you these genetics facts were all too well known to me and in fact were already mentioned in a couple of posts by another clear-headed members in page 5 or 6 of this thread. But I still had to provide them as people were hell bent on negating these simple fundamentals of genetics. So its up to the other party to furnish reference material. And please feel free to help them.

Swiach tera naam se Jaspreet.....naam te lage tu se punjab side ka.....Haryana ya U.P ka Jat to koni.

bhai Punjab me aur yaha ki parampara me b bot jyda difference se.....Punjab me sirf ek gotra choda ja se baki mama-fufa me shadi ho ja se.....(main 5 saal Jalandhar me raha hu,max. friends wahi k se to bera se thoda bahut).
ebb je tu Haryana aur U.P ne Punjab banana chave se to bhai vo ho hove ni balki "TERE BANGAD JAROOR KLAG SAKE SE, KISE GAAM ME JA K NA BOL DIYE KI SAME GOTRA ME SHADI KA KANOON AANA CHAHIYE,NE TE TERA KANOON JAROOR BANA DENGE".

Free advice se le le............

P.S: Bhai tane samjhan ki koshish kara sa je samajh e ja te,baki fer b na samjhe to gaam me ja kar discussion kar liye jyda information with action mil jagi.....KAM LIKHE NE JYDA SAMAJHNA......

 

[raj]

Human is a social Animal & we made some rules for our society to follow,so that we can live in a civilized way otherwise same old thing will come again Male human & female human that's it. but i am against physical punishment.