Hi All,
First of all I'm not a religious person and don't have any soft corner for and hatred towards any cast, creed or religion. But I've been deeply hurt by recents incidents & episodes being carried out by one particular community lately. Yup, I'm talking about Muslims and you all are aware that they have always been getting the benefit of being shown as minorities or so called victims, which is actually not at all truth. I believe Muslims keep their religion above all else .. even before their country, their family and even themselves .. humanity is far cry. Every now and then they prove it by doin' such things. And when few people try to protest, they are declared as extremists, pro-Hindu, RSS supporters or even Saffron terrorists by so called Sickularists.
I come thro' a simple yet eye opening article that depicts nothing but factual truth about the true face of Muslims of India.
पाकिस्तान में औसतन प्रति दिन ४० मुसलमान इस्लामिक आतंकवाद की घटनाओं में मारे जाते हैं पर इससे मुसलमान आंदोलित नहीं होते. अफगानिस्तान में औसतन प्रतिदिन २८ मुसलमान इस्लामिक आतंकवाद में मारे जाते हैं इस पर मुसलमान नहीं भड़कते. भारत में हुई आतंकवाद की घटनाओं पर कभी कोई किसी भी प्रकार का मुसलमान खेद व्यक्त करता हो या आतंकवाद की घटना की निंदा करता हो तो बताओ ? लेकिन म्यांमार की घटना का मुम्बई, लखनऊ, कानपुर,इलाहाबाद में हिंसा और तोड़ फोड़ हो रही है. कुल मिला कर बात यह कि मुसलमान आतंकवादी या दंगाई जब तक किसी दूसरे को मारते हैं तब तक शातिराना चुप्पी है और जब मारे जाते हैं तो छाती पीटी जाती है. भारत में इस्लामिक आतंकवाद से प्रति वर्ष इतने लोग मरते हैं कि जितने किसी भी युद्ध में नहीं मरे पर उसकी निंदा करता या सांत्वना देता कोई बयान कहीं नहीं सुनाई पड़ता,--- तब कहाँ चले जाते हैं मुल्क के तरक्की पसंद, अमन पसंद मुसलमान ? है कोई अमन पसंद मुसलमान ? है कोई राष्ट्र प्रेमी मुसलमान ? ---तो बोलते क्यों नहीं ? अगर ऐसे में भी अमन पसंद मुसलमानों की चुप्पी रही तो मुल्क तो यह मान ही लेगा कि मुसलमान केवल साम्प्रदायिक ही नहीं हैं बल्कि दहशतगर्द दंगाईयों के साथ हैं और भारत राष्ट्र को तोड़ने की साजिश में मूक या मुखर हो कर शामिल हैं. कश्मीर के विस्थापित पंडितों के लिए कभी किसी मुसलमान ने आवाज़ उठाई हो तो बताओ ? औरंगजेब के द्वारा हिन्दू मूर्ति / मंदिर तोड़ना जायज था, लखनऊ में अलविदा की नवाज़ के बाद बुद्धा पार्क में भगवान् बुद्ध की और महावीर भगवान् की मूर्ति तोड़ना जायज है, बामियान में तालिबान द्वारा बुध प्रतिमाएं तोड़ना जायज है तो फिर बाबरी मस्जिद तोड़ा जाना क्यों नाजायज है ? जम्मू -कश्मीर में इस्लामिक आतंकवादीयों ने दर्जनों मंदिर जला डाले कहीं से किसी मुसलमान के मुंह से साम्प्रदायिक सौहार्द के स्वर नहीं फूटे,--क्यों ? लेकिन बाबरी मस्जिद के लिए श्यापा आज तक जारी है जबकि उसी दौर में हजरत मुहम्मद साहब की बनवाई हुई मस्जिद चरार -ए-शरीफ को इस्लामिक आतंकवादी मस्तगुल ने जला कर राख कर दिया तो कोई बात नहीं. कुल मिला कर अगर मामला इस्लामिक आतंकवाद का है तो मुसलमान उसकी मुखर या मूक पक्षधरता करते हैं और जब कहीं मारे जाते हैं तो श्यापा करते हैं. माना कि शारीरिक खतना मुसलमानों की साम्प्रदायिक शिनाख्त है पर यह न्यायिक दृष्टिकोण का यह खतना तो खलिश पैदा कर रहा है.
Eid Mubarak to them, may some sense prevails in them ..
Please have your say, before the thread get locked !
Cheers
Jit
Doctor Sahab bata diyo kis geliyan joot bajana hai
This article or excerpt is making the same mistake as many others - generalization.
As Atish pointed out, there are rogue elements in every community. But due to the antics of these elements one cant generalize and condemn the entire community. We have short and partial memories. We will applaud the patriotism of APJ Abdul Kalam and the poetry of Javed Akhtar but turn around to question the patriotism of Indian Muslims. We will enjoy Zaheer Khan's swinging deliveries or Azhar's wristy flicks but on watching the news of recent riots, quickly say "Yeh log to hote hi aise hain!"
Is there radicalization in some Indian Muslims? Yes. Can this radicalization be solely blamed on their religion? I am not so sure of that. Islam and its teachings cant alone be responsible for the radicalization and terrorism incidents involving Muslims. There are ample examples of Muslims doing well in their chosen fields in spite of being, well Muslims. A lot depends on the social and economic levels of the people. Muslims, being among the most socially and economically backward in the country inadvertently have a higher susceptibility to indoctrination. Taking things globally, a majority of Muslims live in the world's most volatile regions of the world. So the events happening around them have a major influence in shaping heir actions.
Further, lets not forget that the same religion's people are responsible for many scientific advancements. Many architectural, culinary, mathematical, artistic and navigational inventions and innovations can be attributed to the Arabic golden age. That period saw the Arabs rule an area that stretched from Spain and North Africa to Sindh in the subcontinent. So every region and religion has seen its period of glory and decline.
The overarching point is that one shouldn't solely attribute the ills of a community or a few people to their religion. If such generalizations were extended by others in the world, then perhaps Indians are corrupt and are expert at mismanagement because most are Hindus? The western world is advanced and better governed, because they are Christians? And more specifically for the members of this forum, all Jats are rude, lack academic and communication skills because, well they are Jats. We all know how we feel about that.
This article or excerpt is making the same mistake as many others - generalization.
A lot depends on the social and economic levels of the people. Muslims, being among the most socially and economically backward in the country inadvertently have a higher susceptibility to indoctrination. Taking things globally, a majority of Muslims live in the world's most volatile regions of the world. So the events happening around them have a major influence in shaping heir actions.
i agree with siwachs words that muslim lag in economic nd social sevelopment..the kind of education that they are getting in "madarsas" is just to know about their religion nd islam where they are more diverted to their religion. the tutor there nd their mentors play a big role in carving them as an individual.
they teach them kuran in a very manipulated way nd make them feel that islam is above all religion, treat every other religious person as kaafir,specially hindu..
i think hindu the most liberal religion where u r not strictly restricted to follow any particular tradition..its more of giving freedom as a human being than being hindu.
nd our neighbour country pakistan has always direct influence on muslim activity here..its actually a source of infection or can say nidus of bacterias thats called in medical terms if a disease is chronic and non healing where the infection is coming from some other part nd causing disease smwhere else in body...same is happening in india untill nd unless this source is not treated this so called disease in india will not heal..
whatever riots or terror attacks hv happened in india pakistan has direct involvement nd will always hv in future also..u cant improve muslim community in india as long as it has connection with pakistan.
i think now its time that india should take some strict measures for immigration policies from pakistan and bangladesh nd revise visa terms.
also should revise tha law for terror acts nd it should not be running as usual case nd taking years to come to decision..once the person is found guilty of involvement in terror activities punishment should not be pending..it should be strictly dealt seperately..
now if it is proved that mms were coming from pakistan in assam nd mumbai riots, why india is waiting for pakistan aacept, they will never agree..take action..instead of banning sms perday in india to 5..u should be banning communication with pakistan,nd if u hv proof u can do that, no country will interfere with u..
who interfered with U.S when they charged osama of terror attacks nd shot him in head by entering pakistan even not knowing the country there..
if india is finding pakistan guilty of continious terror attacks nd has enough evidence to prove,gather support from other countries ,take U.N help nd deal strictly.
its now or never situation for india
Further, lets not forget that the same religion's people are responsible for many scientific advancements. Many architectural, culinary, mathematical, artistic and navigational inventions and innovations can be attributed to the Arabic golden age. That period saw the Arabs rule an area that stretched from Spain and North Africa to Sindh in the subcontinent. So every region and religion has seen its period of glory and decline.
The overarching point is that one shouldn't solely attribute the ills of a community or a few people to their religion. If such generalizations were extended by others in the world, then perhaps Indians are corrupt and are expert at mismanagement because most are Hindus? The western world is advanced and better governed, because they are Christians? And more specifically for the members of this forum, all Jats are rude, lack academic and communication skills because, well they are Jats. We all know how we feel about that.
Time to abolish Hindu Law, Muslim Law
If I m not wrong Hindu law , Muslim law come in picture where there is something related to religious customs like marriage n all that jazz .
All indians are judged under one Law of India
" औरंगजेब के द्वारा हिन्दू मूर्ति / मंदिर तोड़ना जायज था"
It was never justified even in all books n by all historians it was condemned so badly
This is what I always say -
Just because every Terrorist is Muslim , that does not mean every Muslim is Terrorist
I guess we should all understand the difference
jatland par zyadatar log apni frustration nikalte hi dikhte hain wtever they have issue in personal,professional,career or love life
hmmmmmmmmm
Off topic hai but whatever ( i have this bad reputation)
U r right -----its not just JL---rather every social n/w---be it partying with friends----
weekend discussion with family-------long talk on phone with some far away friend----fb---or be it JL
I guess it is kinda good-------coz if someone would show their frustration at work---would loose job
or with their love----would loose gf/bf
Its way too best to take it out all what u have in ur heart------
N as per me ( just me )----I would rather love to have someone say anything on my face ( no matter how rude would it be) rather on my back
(please none of JL take it otherwise- neither I m defending any one's views nor I m condemning any one's views)
This article or excerpt is making the same mistake as many others - generalization.
As Atish pointed out, there are rogue elements in every community. But due to the antics of these elements one cant generalize and condemn the entire community. We have short and partial memories. We will applaud the patriotism of APJ Abdul Kalam and the poetry of Javed Akhtar but turn around to question the patriotism of Indian Muslims. We will enjoy Zaheer Khan's swinging deliveries or Azhar's wristy flicks but on watching the news of recent riots, quickly say "Yeh log to hote hi aise hain!"
Is there radicalization in some Indian Muslims? Yes. Can this radicalization be solely blamed on their religion? I am not so sure of that. Islam and its teachings cant alone be responsible for the radicalization and terrorism incidents involving Muslims. There are ample examples of Muslims doing well in their chosen fields in spite of being, well Muslims. A lot depends on the social and economic levels of the people. Muslims, being among the most socially and economically backward in the country inadvertently have a higher susceptibility to indoctrination. Taking things globally, a majority of Muslims live in the world's most volatile regions of the world. So the events happening around them have a major influence in shaping heir actions.
Further, lets not forget that the same religion's people are responsible for many scientific advancements. Many architectural, culinary, mathematical, artistic and navigational inventions and innovations can be attributed to the Arabic golden age. That period saw the Arabs rule an area that stretched from Spain and North Africa to Sindh in the subcontinent. So every region and religion has seen its period of glory and decline.
The overarching point is that one shouldn't solely attribute the ills of a community or a few people to their religion. If such generalizations were extended by others in the world, then perhaps Indians are corrupt and are expert at mismanagement because most are Hindus? The western world is advanced and better governed, because they are Christians? And more specifically for the members of this forum, all Jats are rude, lack academic and communication skills because, well they are Jats. We all know how we feel about that.
Jit,
There are rogue elements in every society. But hate or fight is not a solution. I am not saying that you are suggesting a fight or revenge. Let the law take its own course. We need to be more practical. Being a practical means that we should not blindly follow any custom or practice which harm our society and waste our energy. In this modern era whosoever invest in science and technology will lead the world. Instead of thinking about these rogue elements, we should focus on how could we progress in future. Things will automatically change if we progress.
I am fully agree with my friend.
Thanks for such Nice Suggestions ,this post should be forwarded to Moderators and Technical team...
A new Official "Frustration nikalo" Thread should be started asap so that our jobs,gf/bf should be safe ..lolz
well seriously this could be more productive and going to be most popular thread ;just one rule should be there "No names calling"
Suggestion fwd to Senior members !!
मे जीत के विचारों से बहुत हद तक सहमत हूँ ! देश मे कानून एअक होना चाहिए वो धर्म या जाती आधारित नहीं होना चाहिए ! देश सुविधा उससे दे जो इस देश को अपना माने और इस पर जान देने के लिए तयार हो नाकि उससे जो "खाये खसम का और गाये यार की "!
आपनी आर्थिक बदहाली के लिए ये खुद जिम्मेवार है बच्चों की लाइन लगाये रखते है न उन्हे पढ़ने लिए पैसा होता है और न ही अच्छा खाना खाने का पर इनेहे तो दुनिया मे मुस्लिमो की संख्या बढ़नी है चाहे वो आतंकवादी हो या गुनाहगार कोई फर्क नहीं पड़ता फिर इनके आर्थिक हालत बदलने तो ना मुमकिन है क्यूकी इन्हे तो सब कुछ अल्लाह के नाम पर करना है ! जो धर्म दूसरों को नीचा बताता हो वो तो सिर्फ नफरत ही फैला सकता है और वो ये दुनिया भर मे कर रहे है ! कोई भी कब तक पयार दिखायेगा एअक दिन तो कमजोर से कमजोर का स्वाभिमान भी जगता है उस दिन काया होगा उस दिन ये तथाकतिथ सेकुलर लोग जो आज सरकार मे है इन्हे नहीं बचा पायेंगे ! इसलिए सभी के हित मे यही है की सही कानून के द्वारा सब को नियंत्रित किया जाये नहीं तो दुसपरिणाम सब को भुगतने होंगे ! दुनिया के बहुत से देश अब इस बात को समझ रहे है हम कब समझेंगे इसका पता नहीं !
Mate, this is not generalisation but factual truth and Muslims are not only problem for our country but world over. The gap between Muslims and other communities is increasing day by day, everybody get threatened by them .. reason you all aware .. their religious extremism, stone-aged religion n' practices and the terrorism. They say not every muslim is terrorist .. I do agree but then why most of the terrorists are muslim?
Islam is like a cancer, it'll eventually kill them if they don't introspect and evolve. Sia - Sunni conflicts, suicide bomb attacks in Afghanistan, Pakistan and other middle east countries are some of examples. All religions are evolving with time and getting rid of their bad customs and practices but Islam they just refuse to evolve rather they want it to more conservative and strict .. Talibanism and Sariyat is example for that. There been many examples where they've been protesting to allow Burka, Khizab and other shyte practices. They've been creating problems every where in the world be it whole of their middle east, Russia, China, Europe, Indonesia everywhere. Wherever they go after a while they start demanding shyte rights and other unlawful demands. They issue Fatwa every now and then to anybody who speaks against their religion Tasleema and Rushdie are latest examples. They hate every other religion be it Christians, Hindus, Jews or anyone else for that matter. You talk about backwardness and education, well it's their own choice .. they send their kids to Madrasaa not to schools, who's fault it is? They don't believer in family planing, keep 2-3 wives and dozen of kids, who's fault it is? Even educated lot of them are brain washed too .. how can you forget those tube attacks in London executed by well read even Phd Holders, how can you forget 2008 Mumbai attacks and there are numerous examples that proves you just can't trust them. They still being treated as minorities despite the fact they are more than 20% now and the real minorities like Sikh, Buddhist, Parsi never got anything but they neither demanded.
It may be generalisation for you but such generalisation comes thro' observation. And this is high time we should impose strict martial law to tame these notorious people before they make India another taliban!
Cheers
Jit
jaspreet what you say about recent Arab revolution are they all poor and uneducated , if not, then why they become the part of civil war like situation.
i think they all are not loyal to their people and even their religion , all them want power which shows their greed
Wishful thinking brother and am not talking bout fighting or revenge, you got it wrong. I'm trying to prove it's in DNA of muslims to be like notorious and put their religion above all else. We need to have strict law in place to deal with them.
I don't care how they live, what they do with in but if they start to show their real color by disturbing nation's integrity n' peace they should be taught a hard lesson. They are not peace loving people and to deal with it we need iron hand, just like what Modi did. Did any muslim protest there? If they got guts to do it there?
If you remember they tried to create problems here in Australia as well few years back and at that time PM Howard just clearly said to them, look you all are immigrants here and it is a christian country, you wanna live here then you'll have to follow our law and customs. You got any problem with that, you can go back to your country!
So matter of the fact is, we need iron man like Modi to tame these sickheads!
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