C for Congress, C for Corruption, C for Communalism and C for Crime

[desijat]

Now, you are questioning even High court's decision. Great!!!! I have nothing more to say. Thanks for the information!!!!!

High court can say what is in accordance to the constitution that you can not ask someone for the source of money, which is fine but I am talking about the intentions of EC.

Wont you agree that if the suggested steps would be taken it would help money laundering and use of cash to buy votes?

 

[bazardparveen]

High court can say what is in accordance to the constitution that you can not ask someone for the source of money

Wont you agree that if the suggested steps would be taken it would help money laundering and use of cash to buy votes?

So, Election commission wants to go unconstitutional to stop money laundering in Gujarat. This special, 2.5 lakhs limit is for Gujarat only. There were elections earlier also. It hadn't set any such limit.

Many launderers are heading this government and election commission is looking them among small traders of Gujarat!!!! Is it about stopping money laundering or harassing small traders who may be supporting BJP in Gujarat? As you can think more than even high court, you be the judge here.

 

[desijat]

I am discussing the intentions which was to curb politicians and black money, not the constitution. Also, think logically, winners like Modi in Gujrat are only benefiting from this act so if you say this was to benefit Congress then you need to think again.

So, Election commission wants to go unconstitutional to stop money laundering in Gujarat. This special, 2.5 lakhs limit is for Gujarat only. There were elections earlier also. It hadn't set any such limit.

Many launderers are heading this government and election commission is looking them among small traders of Gujarat!!!! Is it about stopping money laundering or harassing small traders who may be supporting BJP in Gujarat? As you can think more than even high court, you be the judge here.

 

[abhikrana]

You say you are not an expert on electoral politics and yet you are trying to justify the unjustifiable.

My question still remains - WHY SO LONG?

As I said even if you knew the answers, you simply would not have answered because it would have meant restating the obvious - the dirty tactics of the dirty Congress.

Congress uses all the tricks in the book - Before elections dividing the country on religious lines (Muslim appeasement) poll rigging, manipulating the voting machines before results are declared, horse-trading after results are declared, buying MPs during votes of no-confidence, etc. etc.

And whether we like it or not, gone are the days of T N Seshan. After all the appointments to the Election commission are done by a committee in which the ruling party has majority as was the case in the appointment of the allegedly tainted PJ Thomas as head of the CVC (Central Vigilance Commission).

I finally also go back to my previous question - Why and how do the diehard Congressies stand behind their corrupt, communal and criminal party despite its looting the country and the people. Look forward to more reasons as to why doesn't their conscience or moral values prick their souls when they support this party?

Read what I wrote above, and you will have your answers.Like Swaich said, blaming an institution is making fun of electoral system and playing hard with the votes of people.

I am not an expert on electoral set up and only an EC official can better explain you the reasoning but what I know is, time after voting to counting has little to do with horse trading as nobody knows the future. What you are saying would have been true if EC made selective revelation of the result, but that is not the case. Would you put your money at stake before the result is out if you were a politician?

And if I were to go by your logic then Congress would have won all state elections by manipulating EC, please be a bit logical.

 

[desijat]

I finally also go back to my previous question - Why and how do the diehard Congressies stand behind their corrupt, communal and criminal party despite its looting the country and the people. Look forward to more reasons as to why doesn't their conscience or moral values prick their souls when they support this party?

I will read your post and reply with equal attention even if you dont put every last comment as a bold remark.

What you wrote above is a highly discouraged, low remark like the ones persisted during Anna movement. Either you are with Anna or you are anti India, similarly you can not label everyone who votes or supports congress as conscienceless or low morale person because neither is it fair, nor are you a moral police or moral society to pass such a judgement. Just like everyone else, democracy gives a right to support, vote and elect the party which people feel is right and just because you dont happen to be in that majority of people doesnt mean you dont respect the decision.

 

[abhikrana]

The caption in bold was for the attention of other readers as well and simply for the fact that not many other fellow members had come up with their ideas on this point.

You say that you are not into politics and certainly not a Congressman, then I certainly see no reason for you to be or feel discouraged. Whatever is being written about the Congress by me or others in common knowledge to everyone including you and hence again, there is no reason for you to feel discouraged.

Anyways, I appreciate your sticking to your stand of justifying Congress' actions despite the various scams. Not many people can do that in a sustained manner over a period of time.

I will read your post and reply with equal attention even if you dont put every last comment as a bold remark.

What you wrote above is a highly discouraged, low remark like the ones persisted during Anna movement. Either you are with Anna or you are anti India, similarly you can not label everyone who votes or supports congress as conscienceless or low morale person because neither is it fair, nor are you a moral police or moral society to pass such a judgement. Just like everyone else, democracy gives a right to support, vote and elect the party which people feel is right and just because you dont happen to be in that majority of people doesnt mean you dont respect the decision.

 

[desijat]

You say that you are not into politics and certainly not a Congressman, then I certainly see no reason for you to be or feel discouraged. Whatever is being written about the Congress by me or others in common knowledge to everyone including you. So, I see no reason for you to feel discouraged.

Just because someone is not bad mouthing me doesnt mean I cant question them badmouthing majority of Indians? Respecting the decision of majority in a democracy is the only way to show your faith in democracy.

 

[abhikrana]

Who are the majority of Indians by the way who are being badmouthed and whose interest you purport to represent or fight for?

Just because someone is not bad mouthing me doesnt mean I cant question them badmouthing majority of Indians? Respecting the decision of majority in a democracy is the only way to show your faith in democracy.

 

[desijat]

Majority of Indians who voted the party you criticized for long in 2004 and 2009.

Who are the majority of Indians by the way who are being badmouthed and whose interest you purport to represent or fight for?

 

[abhikrana]

And what about the majority of Indians who go off to sleep hungry without roofs over their heads? For which the Congress is responsible through its almost 60 years of MISRULE.

What is more important than the right to be human which the Congress is snatching from the man on the street by stealing his roti, his roof, his very existence? According to UN reports majority of the malnourished children in the world happen to be India - a condition worse than even Sub-Sahara African countries.

I have already mentioned that Congress is a champion in coming to power of late mainly through ragtag coalitions, muslim appeasement, poll rigging (through manipulation of voting machines), horse-trading, buying MPs during no-confidence votes. So, I would not concur with you that criticizing Congress is criticizing the so-called majority.

The majority is actually the one which is being looted by the Congress thugs day in and day out.

My job as the mango man is to highlight the misdeeds of the Congress and shall continue doing so whether you or anyone likes it or not.

Majority of Indians who voted the party you criticized for long in 2004 and 2009.

 

[vicky84]

Why only Congress? Why not BJP and others also?

My job as the mango man is to highlight the misdeeds of the Congress and shall continue doing so whether you or anyone likes it or not.

 

[rinkusheoran]

Now, you are questioning even High court's decision. Great!!!! I have nothing more to say. Thanks for the information!!!!!

Bhai Praveen , desijat ko sabko questions karne ki aazadi hai. he try to find logic behind illogical things or statement or stupidities coming from congress party but he cant see the very straight forward things.

 

[rinkusheoran]

Here is the biggest one that you missed out that holds true in most of the cases because all the reasons you mentioned are true for BJP, SP, BSP etc etc as well:

Lack of a better alternative

Har ke baat par kahte ho tum ki tu kya hai, tum hi kaho ye andaaz-e-guftagu kya hai?

I look forward to a focused debate and replies to receive a similar reply

I didnt want to write but could not resist it.Just read what all that written by you or you write and forget what you have written?? I started writing when you spoke about better alternative after abhikrana post

Below are the points that we discussed but me yet to hear anything on those and you say you are looking for healthy debate

In thread 'Modi playing politics within the party' you said you can not imagine voting for a party who can not manage itself. I gave a example where Sitaram Kesari was removed by flaying the constitution of congress party by Pranab mukherjee and others, so how you can imagine them to follow Indian constitution when they didn't follow there won party but I did not hear anything on that. In the same thread i gave you another example where in recent cabinet reshuffle govt was not able to manage proper portfolio for two MPs from rajasthan , you didn't say anything on that management??

In one point you said, you have never seen anyone from BJP appreciating any policy of congress, i gave you an example of Advani doing this but you didnt say that it was your ignorance and you were not aware

in one discussion in chaupal when i said it was fault of Diggi raja not to send troops to Gujrat during Godhara riots. you defended him aying it boils down to relationship of Modi with other state CM, that was the height dear. when people lives are at stake we need to think above party lines, you might have seen the same during sandy where president Obama was reaching out to republican(NJ governer was biggest critic of obama) governors but when you didnt find anything wrong in congress Party CM decision, why?

In one post you mentioned the scam list during NDA for not supporting/voting them, you didnt list down the scam of your beloved party whom you vote because you dont have better alternative.

In above post by Praveenbazad, you have questioned the high court orders

I'm not saying it for all but i think more than 50% would like to know what is healthy debate for you??I cant give you similar reply or the reply that you expect because i use my head before believing on any article written by anyone. i trust on things not blind trust.I said earlier as well that if owl cant see in daylight, it is not fault of Sun

I or for that matter anyone else here dont see anything wrong in you following the ideology of congress but when you give your hypothetical explanation for that, they dont go down with people or me.

Desi bhai,jo tune apne signature likh rakha hai uske hisab se to 1-2% likh de

 

[rinkusheoran]

Why only Congress? Why not BJP and others also?

Atish

It has to be congress because they are the ones who are power and BJP is in opposition. you can not measure them with same yardstick.If ruling regime is corrupt and opposition is also doing same then ruling regime should be held accountable rather than pointing finger on opposition. Corruption is top-down not other way round. We should not forget that they are the ones looting the public money in present time.

Aaj Maharastra mein congress raj mein kisano pe goli chal rahi hai to ye mat kahne ki haryana mein INLd raj mein Kandela mein bhi chali thi app 10 saal pahle to unka jikar kyun nhi kia ja raha congress k sath.

Aade vo kaam ho raha sai eeb ki, kutte k lathe kisne mara and vo bhoka mere darwaje pe aake to iska matlab ye ho gaya ki manne lath mara ???

 

[desijat]

If ruling regime is corrupt and opposition is also doing same then ruling regime should be held accountable rather than pointing finger on opposition.

That my friend is the best statement I have heard on Jatland so far, I rest all my arguments with you :victorious:

 

[desijat]

Rinku, I have argued with everyone on this forum but there is a reason why I dont reply to your posts and it is not because I dont have answers, all the answers to your questions are hidden in all my previous posts that you read but dont understand the way told. But since you have put all your questions together, here is the enlightenment you are seeking:

In thread 'Modi playing politics within the party' you said you can not imagine voting for a party who can not manage itself. I gave a example where Sitaram Kesari was removed by flaying the constitution of congress party by Pranab mukherjee and others, so how you can imagine them to follow Indian constitution when they didn't follow there won party but I did not hear anything on that.

I am not very known to the entire episode but if I believe you then Congress paid the price in 1999 elections and soon enough learnt from its mistake but BJP is yet to learn the word 'learning from mistakes'

In one point you said, you have never seen anyone from BJP appreciating any policy of congress, i gave you an example of Advani doing this but you didnt say that it was your ignorance and you were not aware

Then BJPites are biggest hypocrites. here, read the caption that appeared in India Today Foes at home, friends abroad: Advani praises UPA govt's MGNREGA scheme at UN

BTW, not you but some very enlightened BJP supporters have criticized the MNREGA, guess they are not reading enough.

in one discussion in chaupal when i said it was fault of Diggi raja not to send troops to Gujrat during Godhara riots. you defended him aying it boils down to relationship of Modi with other state CM, that was the height dear. when people lives are at stake we need to think above party lines, you might have seen the same during sandy where president Obama was reaching out to republican(NJ governer was biggest critic of obama) governors but when you didnt find anything wrong in congress Party CM decision, why?

That discussion was on a different tangent, it was discussion on Modi's capability to be a PM and how a PM has to be a diplomat as well. My point was very simple, if one can not manage cordial relations with states, how can one anticipate him to have cordial relations with other countries?

Also, the Obama and republican example is you are quoting is irrelevant. It would have been a right analogy if we were discussing center-BJP state relations.

In one post you mentioned the scam list during NDA for not supporting/voting them, you didnt list down the scam of your beloved party whom you vote because you dont have better alternative.

Again, get the context there and read the previous posts to get my point.

In above post by Praveenbazad, you have questioned the high court orders

Again, you missed the point there as usual. I was not questioning the high court orders but intention of EC which I found right to curb misuse of money. Please follow the whole debate instead of forming

I'm not saying it for all but i think more than 50% would like to know what is healthy debate for you??I cant give you similar reply or the reply that you expect because i use my head before believing on any article written by anyone. i trust on things not blind trust.I said earlier as well that if owl cant see in daylight, it is not fault of Sun

I have been enjoying very healthy debates here, if you seek to learn what a healthy debate is then follow some of the previous debates on this topic and you will realize what a healthy debate is. A healthy debate to me is a debate argued on discussion points with mutual respect, like Atish, Swaich and to some extend even Abhik Rana does.

I or for that matter anyone else here dont see anything wrong in you following the ideology of congress but when you give your hypothetical explanation for that, they dont go down with people or me.

They are contextual, logical and with proofs, I am sorry if you can not process them and think they are hypothetical.

Desi bhai,jo tune apne signature likh rakha hai uske hisab se to 1-2% likh de

I must be writing much more worthy than you have written above else am sure you are not that idle to bother yourself by noting down all the questions that I dint answer, but here you go

 

[abhikrana]

When Congress is in power and looting the public day in and day out, we should criticize the BJP and others? That is wonderful. Barking up the wrong tree.

Let the BJP first come to power and let them indulge in corruption, I will substitute BJP for Congress. But till then there is no point barking up the wrong tree.

Why only Congress? Why not BJP and others also?

 

[desijat]

Did you miss my list of BJP scams? If yes, please go a few posts above Abhik.

When Congress is in power and looting the public day in and day out, we should criticize the BJP and others? That is wonderful. Barking up the wrong tree.

Let the BJP first come to power and let them indulge in corruption, I will substitute BJP for Congress. But till then there is no point barking up the wrong tree.

 

[malikdeepak1]

The thread is about corruption done by Congress. Kindly keep the discussion inline with the thread!

 

[abhikrana]

Then BJPites are biggest hypocrites. here, read the caption that appeared in India Today Foes at home, friends abroad: Advani praises UPA govt's MGNREGA scheme at UN

BTW, not you but some very enlightened BJP supporters have criticized the MNREGA, guess they are not reading enough.

The scope of MNREGA first of all is very limited in the sense that it guarantees employment for just 100 days out 365 days that a person has to sustain himself in a year. So after the completion of 100 days of employment a person should switch over to INACTIVE mode so that he needs no money to sustain himself? Pretty flawed policy/scheme.

Second, there is rampant and gargantuan corruption in this scheme as brought out by various official reports. Either the payees do not actually exist (as in the Khurshid episode) or if they exist they are not paid in full as per their entitlement.

Now coming to why Advani praised MNREGA at the UN, the reason is that BJP is a responsible party which does not believe in taking potshots (unlike Congress) or washing dirty linen in public (outside world). I think that is called diplomacy, you may call it whatever you please.

That discussion was on a different tangent, it was discussion on Modi's capability to be a PM and how a PM has to be a diplomat as well. My point was very simple, if one can not manage cordial relations with states, how can one anticipate him to have cordial relations with other countries?

Also, the Obama and republican example is you are quoting is irrelevant. It would have been a right analogy if we were discussing center-BJP state relations.

I have seen that most of your replies that cast your verdict even before framing the charges properly. The same is true on your views on Modi and Arvind. It is all hype and propaganda and no substance at all.

Again, you missed the point there as usual. I was not questioning the high court orders but intention of EC which I found right to curb misuse of money. Please follow the whole debate instead of forming

Whether we agree or not, we all know that institutions such as the CBI, EC, ED (Enforcement Directorate of the Income Tax) are all being used for personal gains by the Congress. It is common knowledge. So your denying that would not be of much help.