पी एम हो तो मोदी जैसा...........
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Too much to ask for... Although they did end a thread on Modi's criticism on the note of personal comments but then I ask show me a thread where a bunch of people dont get personal
Why do things change as per your comfort?
You never said this when Kejriwal made those stalwart claims against Vadra/DLF, did you? That time you were promoting the agenda that people should sue Kejriwal for defamation if there is no meat in nees.
Had we spent the shame money directly for these developments (instead of spending it as CWG funds) the development would have been much better. Many eyes got shut in the name of CWG - for the false shake of nation's pride.
Rather then any pride, CWG has rather brought same to the nation. And the whole regime, including the PM and CM should be jailed for it. This is necessary for putting a check on the ever growing greed.
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On the note of corruption I am with you and allegations of CWG are absolutely right and culprits should be jailed(i guess too late for it now) and this is where opposition should have taken much charge but like they say you should not spit towards the sky with an open mouth.
sanjeev1984
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cutejaatsandeep
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foreign policies are man made .....they dont come from heaven got it.....so we can also have such foreign policies....i very well know about jews more than u do coz i have lived with them......if u r a gandhi fan thn it does mean tht every 1 else also follows tht impotant gandhi......ladai jeetne ke liyee ladai karni padti hai.....sirf baaato se n khassi andolan chalane se kuch naa hota jaisa gandhi chalata tha.......gujarat riots mai sabak seekhana bahut important tha coz sab hindus ko weak samajh rahe the.....n yee sab karne ki himmat sirf aur sirf modi ke passs thi hai n hamesha rahegi.
Pehle to tu sirf tit for tat ki baat kar raha tha. Jab maine foreign policy ki baat ki to tere dimaag mein bhi yeh point baith gaya. Now tell me if foreign policies are man made then why cant we implement them? Ohh wait, your answer will be that because we have impotent leaders. But who elected those leaders? People like you and me. So where does the real blame lie?
So you agree ki Gujarat riots mein govt. ki support se Muslims ko sabak sikhaya gaya. Modi ne Muslims ko sabak sikhane ke liye hi marvaya aur aage bhi sirf Modi hi aisa kar sakta hai. Main bhi yahi maanta hun. I am glad we are on the same page here.
sanjeev1984
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please help me to understand this...
http://www.ibtl.in/video/6635/secular-mla-akbaruddin-owaisis-incendiary-speech
http://www.ibtl.in/video/6635/secular-mla-akbaruddin-owaisis-incendiary-speech
Pehle to tu sirf tit for tat ki baat kar raha tha. Jab maine foreign policy ki baat ki to tere dimaag mein bhi yeh point baith gaya. Now tell me if foreign policies are man made then why cant we implement them? Ohh wait, your answer will be that because we have impotent leaders. But who elected those leaders? People like you and me. So where does the real blame lie?
So you agree ki Gujarat riots mein govt. ki support se Muslims ko sabak sikhaya gaya. Modi ne Muslims ko sabak sikhane ke liye hi marvaya aur aage bhi sirf Modi hi aisa kar sakta hai. Main bhi yahi maanta hun. I am glad we are on the same page here.
I am not going to watch an 1 hr long video. Is this the one where Owaisi makes provocative remarks on 2.5 cr Muslims raising temples? I heard about it from a colleague a few days back. It is provocative. He should be arrested for inciting communal hatred.
But again, what has this got to do with the discussion on Modi? Are you trying to show similarities between these two?
It wasn't a comment to Mods. Going by your deleted posts, I know they are doing their work perfectly.
sanjeev1984
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Good to see that you know at least ONE right thing!!! In case you know that they are doing their work perfectly and they know what they should do. Why the hell are you giving your unwanted suggestions??? And was blaming them of being biased in another thread???
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sanjeev1984
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No actually I was trying to show you the difference between two. Can you find just one similar speech of Modi???
He will never be arrested. And I am sure about it.
He will never be arrested. And I am sure about it.
It was a thought shared for everybody, not particularly the mods. You don't like me sharing my thoughts, that's fine. Doesn't stop me from posting when I want to. And there's nothing you can do about it.
I never blamed the Mods for anything. If I remember correctly, I mentioned the futility of locking threads as a measure to control personal remarks and insults hurled by a few.
Lastly, you lack an unbiased perspective on my posts. See, I know at least TWO right things.
And what will that prove? Is Owaisi a benchmark for communal politicians to aim for?
Got it. Something do with protecting votebanks? I know. Happens with every party and every state.
cutejaatsandeep
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Pehle to tu sirf tit for tat ki baat kar raha tha. Jab maine foreign policy ki baat ki to tere dimaag mein bhi yeh point baith gaya. Now tell me if foreign policies are man made then why cant we implement them? Ohh wait, your answer will be that because we have impotent leaders. But who elected those leaders? People like you and me. So where does the real blame lie?
So you agree ki Gujarat riots mein govt. ki support se Muslims ko sabak sikhaya gaya. Modi ne Muslims ko sabak sikhane ke liye hi marvaya aur aage bhi sirf Modi hi aisa kar sakta hai. Main bhi yahi maanta hun. I am glad we are on the same page here.
teri baatein to kasam se uparr se jati hai....pehle to tu gujarat riots ko condemn kar raha hai...phir tuu tit for tat ki baat kar raha hai.....phir tu keh hai kee modi ne galat kiyaa....jab tu tit for tat ki baat kar raha hai to tu modi ko support kyo na kar ryaaa?doosri baat maane aaj tak isssi ghatia n impotant sarkar ko vote na diyaa jo terrorist ko apna daamadd banate hai....modi nee pm banann dee pher taane sahi mai tit for tat ka meaning bataa deega....jab teri congress sarkarr itni kaabil hai to phir israel jaise foreign policy laa kee deekha dee nee....pakistan n bangladesh jaise tooche country mhari aise taise kar jaate hai....pher bhi hum kuch na kar paate.....hamare desh ka pass money hai,technology hai,manpower hai bas eek modi jaise leader ki kami hai.....
sanjeev1984
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You are wrong this time. I am completely unbiased about your posts. See, I know how innocent you are and still i am giving replies to you.
I am not surprised. Bhai, tit for tat ki baat pehle baar tumne boli Israel ka example de kar. Maine bas tumhe thoda samjhaya ki tit for tat karna itna aasaan nahi. Uske liye aur bahut cheezein kayam karni padti hai jaisi ki foreign relations, favorable world opinion and influence jo ki India kabhi Israel ke level tak kar nahi paya hai.
Aur yeh sar tit for tat foreign terrorists ki taraf ho raha hai. Apne citizens ke saath kaisa tit for tat? Two groups of citizens, Hindus and Muslims fight, and govt takes side of one group? Ye kaisa tit for tat hai? A govt. shouldnt take sides in conflict between two groups of citizens. Agar itni si baat tumhari samajh mein nahi aa rahi ti main iske aage ab kya kahun.
Once again, I dont support Congress. Dont assume things.
Second, State elections mein khade ho kar bhashan dena, aur PM ki kursi pe baith ke hard decision lene mein bahut farak hai. Vaypayee seemed like a hardline nationalistic leaders as evident by 1998 nuclear tests. But the same govt. had to buckle under pressure and release terrorists in exchange for civilians in the IC184 Kandahar hijacking. Similarly, Indira Gandhi was called iron lady but she showed intense favoritism to her own family and cronies and selfishly imposed emergency to protect her own interests.
As you agree, Modi's tit for tat experience is based on helping kill citizens of his own state and country. Hardly, the hallmarks of a capable leader.
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sanjeev1984
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Owaisi is not a benchmark he just one of the example from many SECULAR INDIAN CITIZENS.
No. this dont happen with every party. Remember Maya Kodnani & Company???
No. this dont happen with every party. Remember Maya Kodnani & Company???
sanjeev1984
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Delhi ‘intellectuals’ fear coming of no-nonsense Modi
Narendra Modi was sworn in for his fourth term as Chief Minister of Gujarat last Wednesday to the horror of those Indians who have spent more than a decade portraying him as a demon. These include leftists of varying shades of pink, Muslim intellectuals of varying shades of fundamentalist Islam, social activists of varying causes and political analysts whose intellectual development appears to have stopped when the secularism versus communalism debate died a natural death. What unites this motley crew is a deep fear that if Modi does become Prime Minister in 2014, their dominance of the national discourse, their virtual monopoly on tickets to enter politics, high national awards, Government largesse and other forms of patronage like regular excursions to foreign lands will end. Let me explain in more detail.
The Congress, in its long decades at the helm of India’s destiny has cultivated a particular breed of ‘intellectual’ assiduously. Those who fit into the leftist, liberal, secular category have been given Rajya Sabha tickets, Padma awards and other prizes and have been rewarded with Government jobs and houses in Delhi. The Government of India has enormous powers of patronage and the Congress learned long ago to use them very effectively. So if you are a ‘sarkari’ intellectual, you could find yourself in charge of any one of a myriad cultural and social organisations that come with low salaries but high perks. So if for instance you became head of one of the Government’s literary or music academies you would be entitled to a nice bungalow in Lutyens’ Delhi and a car with a red light on it. If you failed to get one of these jobs you could be rewarded in other ways for your loyalty to the Gandhi family and the Congress ‘ideology’.
So I know many ‘intellectuals’ in Delhi who have been given Government grants for promoting things as diverse as the Urdu language and the environment. If you are well-connected enough, you might even be able to get more than one Government handout without any questions being asked. So you could be a patron of Urdu poetry and the editor of an ecology magazine at the same time.
If you are clever, then you should be able to extend your ‘expertise’ in Urdu or Sanskrit to land yourself a Doordarshan series on the history of these languages or some related subject and you would never need to do what most Indians consider a regular job. In my long years of covering politics and governance in Delhi, I have met retired bureaucrats, failed Bollywood actresses and filmmakers, socialites and relatives of successful politicians who have benefited from Government of India largesse in an extraordinary variety of ways. Nobody has ever questioned this largesse because in the brief moment that the Bharatiya Janata Party came to power in Delhi it continued the practice because the very same ‘intellectuals’ that had lived for years on Government largesse switched political sides effortlessly and switched back to being Congress loyalists when the political fortunes of the BJP declined after 2004.
It may seem hard to believe if you are not from Delhi but trust me when I tell you that the same filmmakers, movie stars, writers, dancers, musicians, artists and other ‘intellectuals’ that thrive on Government of India largesse today were once in the inner circle of Atal Bihari Vajpayee. Even the political analysts that today boast of their closeness to Sonia Gandhi were to be seen in those days waltzing in and out of the Vajpayee household as if their loyalty had always been to him. Why did he allow this? I have asked myself this question often and the only satisfactory answer that I have come up with is that the people who surrounded the BJP Government at the time were new to the foibles and fakery of Lutyens’ Delhi and did not see duplicity and chicanery even when it happened under their noses. By the time they understood what was happening the general election that put the BJP back on the Opposition benches in the Lok Sabha had come and gone.
What worries the ‘intellectuals’ of Lutyens’ Delhi is that Narendra Modi may not be as easy to seduce as Vajpayee was. He may find it easier to discern between cant and real culture and between courtiers and real loyalists and this would inevitably lead to a total overturning of the patronage applecart. So the demonisation of Modi has been a joint project on a scale that has been quite unprecedented in the political history of modern India. It would be fair to say that no Indian politician has been demonised in quite this way and usually because the measure by which he has been judged has not been applied to anyone else.
Whenever I have tried to argue that what Modi allowed to happen in Gujarat in 2002 was modelled on what Rajiv Gandhi allowed to happen with the Sikhs in 1984, I have hit an impenetrable wall. As recently as last month when my new book ‘Durbar’ came out I had a long conversation with a senior bureaucrat who tried to convince me that I was wrong in writing in the book that Rajiv had been complicit in the massacres of the Sikhs. “You must understand that he knew nothing of what was happening,” this gentleman argued, “You must understand that he was a political novice and did not know what was going on or he would never have allowed it.” When I reminded him of the famous ‘big tree falls, earth shakes’ speech, he changed the subject.
This is how it always is whenever Modi’s ‘crimes’ are discussed. The discussion simply ends and if you persist in trying to continue the argument then you get labelled. You get called a ‘Sonia-baiter’ or a ‘saffron supporter’ or that most evil of things in the eyes of the denizens of Lutyens’ Delhi — ‘anti-Muslim’. Well, we do not know what Modi will do if he does become Prime Minister. He may, like Vajpayee, do nothing at all to upset the applecart. But, for the moment his victory has sent such a shiver of fear along the spine of Lutyens’ Delhi that you can almost hear the sound of it rustling like a demonic wind through the corridors of intellectual and cultural power in this city.
Narendra Modi was sworn in for his fourth term as Chief Minister of Gujarat last Wednesday to the horror of those Indians who have spent more than a decade portraying him as a demon. These include leftists of varying shades of pink, Muslim intellectuals of varying shades of fundamentalist Islam, social activists of varying causes and political analysts whose intellectual development appears to have stopped when the secularism versus communalism debate died a natural death. What unites this motley crew is a deep fear that if Modi does become Prime Minister in 2014, their dominance of the national discourse, their virtual monopoly on tickets to enter politics, high national awards, Government largesse and other forms of patronage like regular excursions to foreign lands will end. Let me explain in more detail.
The Congress, in its long decades at the helm of India’s destiny has cultivated a particular breed of ‘intellectual’ assiduously. Those who fit into the leftist, liberal, secular category have been given Rajya Sabha tickets, Padma awards and other prizes and have been rewarded with Government jobs and houses in Delhi. The Government of India has enormous powers of patronage and the Congress learned long ago to use them very effectively. So if you are a ‘sarkari’ intellectual, you could find yourself in charge of any one of a myriad cultural and social organisations that come with low salaries but high perks. So if for instance you became head of one of the Government’s literary or music academies you would be entitled to a nice bungalow in Lutyens’ Delhi and a car with a red light on it. If you failed to get one of these jobs you could be rewarded in other ways for your loyalty to the Gandhi family and the Congress ‘ideology’.
So I know many ‘intellectuals’ in Delhi who have been given Government grants for promoting things as diverse as the Urdu language and the environment. If you are well-connected enough, you might even be able to get more than one Government handout without any questions being asked. So you could be a patron of Urdu poetry and the editor of an ecology magazine at the same time.
If you are clever, then you should be able to extend your ‘expertise’ in Urdu or Sanskrit to land yourself a Doordarshan series on the history of these languages or some related subject and you would never need to do what most Indians consider a regular job. In my long years of covering politics and governance in Delhi, I have met retired bureaucrats, failed Bollywood actresses and filmmakers, socialites and relatives of successful politicians who have benefited from Government of India largesse in an extraordinary variety of ways. Nobody has ever questioned this largesse because in the brief moment that the Bharatiya Janata Party came to power in Delhi it continued the practice because the very same ‘intellectuals’ that had lived for years on Government largesse switched political sides effortlessly and switched back to being Congress loyalists when the political fortunes of the BJP declined after 2004.
It may seem hard to believe if you are not from Delhi but trust me when I tell you that the same filmmakers, movie stars, writers, dancers, musicians, artists and other ‘intellectuals’ that thrive on Government of India largesse today were once in the inner circle of Atal Bihari Vajpayee. Even the political analysts that today boast of their closeness to Sonia Gandhi were to be seen in those days waltzing in and out of the Vajpayee household as if their loyalty had always been to him. Why did he allow this? I have asked myself this question often and the only satisfactory answer that I have come up with is that the people who surrounded the BJP Government at the time were new to the foibles and fakery of Lutyens’ Delhi and did not see duplicity and chicanery even when it happened under their noses. By the time they understood what was happening the general election that put the BJP back on the Opposition benches in the Lok Sabha had come and gone.
What worries the ‘intellectuals’ of Lutyens’ Delhi is that Narendra Modi may not be as easy to seduce as Vajpayee was. He may find it easier to discern between cant and real culture and between courtiers and real loyalists and this would inevitably lead to a total overturning of the patronage applecart. So the demonisation of Modi has been a joint project on a scale that has been quite unprecedented in the political history of modern India. It would be fair to say that no Indian politician has been demonised in quite this way and usually because the measure by which he has been judged has not been applied to anyone else.
Whenever I have tried to argue that what Modi allowed to happen in Gujarat in 2002 was modelled on what Rajiv Gandhi allowed to happen with the Sikhs in 1984, I have hit an impenetrable wall. As recently as last month when my new book ‘Durbar’ came out I had a long conversation with a senior bureaucrat who tried to convince me that I was wrong in writing in the book that Rajiv had been complicit in the massacres of the Sikhs. “You must understand that he knew nothing of what was happening,” this gentleman argued, “You must understand that he was a political novice and did not know what was going on or he would never have allowed it.” When I reminded him of the famous ‘big tree falls, earth shakes’ speech, he changed the subject.
This is how it always is whenever Modi’s ‘crimes’ are discussed. The discussion simply ends and if you persist in trying to continue the argument then you get labelled. You get called a ‘Sonia-baiter’ or a ‘saffron supporter’ or that most evil of things in the eyes of the denizens of Lutyens’ Delhi — ‘anti-Muslim’. Well, we do not know what Modi will do if he does become Prime Minister. He may, like Vajpayee, do nothing at all to upset the applecart. But, for the moment his victory has sent such a shiver of fear along the spine of Lutyens’ Delhi that you can almost hear the sound of it rustling like a demonic wind through the corridors of intellectual and cultural power in this city.
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