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[vicky84]

Read this excerpt on Gurgaon issue:

This describes situation 1997 onwards

Ordinarily, such a wild building boom would have had to hew to a local government master plan. But Gurgaon did not yet have such a plan, nor did it yet have a districtwide municipal government. Instead, Gurgaon was mostly under state control. Developers built the infrastructure inside their projects, while a state agency, the Haryana Urban Development Authority, or HUDA, was supposed to build the infrastructure binding together the city.

And that is where the problems arose. HUDA and other state agencies could not keep up with the pace of construction. The absence of a local government had helped Gurgaon become a leader of India's growth boom. But that absence had also created a dysfunctional city. No one was planning at a macro level; every developer pursued his own agenda as more islands sprouted and state agencies struggled to keep pace with growth.

I agree with above points. In Developed countries, Governments allow private businesses to flourish with least intervention and at the same time taking care of interest of citizens. But in India, story is completely different. We have witnessed an unprecedent growth but at a cost of rampant corruption.

Before 1991, It was all government controlling everything but as we hit the wall due to that model, our government had to allow private investment and sold its stake in the business. Modi has rightly said: "Government has no business to do a business". Government should be there for welfare schemes like education, healthcare etc but should not poke its nose into other busineesses. In India, it started happening. We allowed private investments but at the same time we did not take care of interest of citizens. Politicians have found a way to mint money through changing rules as per their interests not as per people's interest. And we can see now a mess.

 

[vicky84]

They are numbers, how can they be false?

And how do you then buy Gujarat's development story and ignore the malnutrition in the state?

Desi,

Bhuppi knows well how to cook books and all. Its an eyewash, nothing else. CAG has already unearthed his corrupt deals.

 

[desijat]

And Modi does not? Why do we trust whatever gyan Modi gives blindly specially when we know he has hired several agencies just to propagate his mirage?


Bhai- daal to sabki kaali hai par dikhti sirf usi ki hai jiski hum dekhna chahe

Desi,

Bhuppi knows well how to cook books and all. Its an eyewash, nothing else. CAG has already unearthed his corrupt deals.

 

[malikdeepak1]

They are numbers, how can they be false?

If that was a sarcasm, then I dont believe that you actually had any intent to comment sarcastically on numbers because you are a die hard fan of numbers.
Thing is, numbers can be crooked and anybody can do that. Sheila, Modi, Hooda sab karte hai.. Par bikta wahi hai jo dikhta hai.. माणस में शान्पथ होनी भी जरुरी हो से। निरे नंबर ते काम नहीं चाल्या करता राजनीती मै!

 

[desijat]

If that was a sarcasm, then I dont believe that you actually had any intent to comment sarcastically on numbers because you are a die hard fan of numbers.
Thing is, numbers can be crooked and anybody can do that. Sheila, Modi, Hooda sab karte hai.. Par bikta wahi hai jo dikhta hai.. माणस में शान्पथ होनी भी जरुरी हो से। निरे नंबर ते काम नहीं चाल्या करता राजनीती मै!

Numbers can be crooked while evaluating a company, state or a country but when someone uses a definite set of criterion to measure success on various parameters and keeps the base similar with similar assumptions, it only adds up to a fair comparison.

For example, the state growth rate. While anyone can argue that you can not compare Bihar to Gujarat in spite of the fact Bihar is growing at double the rate, I believe it is only fair to compare Gujarat to Gujarat which has slowed down under Modi's rule.

Second: Rise in per capita, you might argue a person in Gujarat is bound to earn more than in Bihar because the state is flourished and I would agree but the growth in percapita can give a uniform platform to show how a state or people are progressing, fair? Bihar's per capita grew at 11.75%, MPs at 10.43% and Gujarat's at 6.91. Clear evidence again that people are prospering more under Nitish and Shivraj than Modi. Even states like Sikkim, Arunachal, Goa and Maharashtra are above Gujarat in per capita income growth.
And mind you, the base here is state's own previous per capita, not other factors.

I hope you'd agree on these ones.

 

[vicky84]

And Modi does not? Why do we trust whatever gyan Modi gives blindly specially when we know he has hired several agencies just to propagate his mirage?


Bhai- daal to sabki kaali hai par dikhti sirf usi ki hai jiski hum dekhna chahe

CAG already slammed Haryana Government for irregularities in different sectors. Rampant corruption at every level in the state. Corruption in recruitment in so high that its impossible for a deserving candidate to get a job. Scams after scams is a norm in Haryana. Gettting smaller things done requires bribes otherwise you will be waiting for forever.

As far as paid advertisment is concerned, I think you forgot how Haryana government wasted tax payers money in "No1 Haryana Slogan". Nothing can be evident than that. Now in contrast, Modi government is admired by agencies abroad. I don't think he had paid money to "The Economist" to publish articles on his world class administration. I have not come across any such article about Haryana.

Go through this article and you will come to know what I am talking about:

[h=2]Gujarat's economy[/h][h=3]India's Guangdong[/h][h=1]A north-western state offers a glimpse of a possible industrial future for India[/h]

http://www.economist.com/node/18929279

 

[desijat]

CAG already slammed Haryana Government for irregularities in different sectors.

Now let me take the same parameter(CAG) as you have and show you what you missed reading about Gujarat:

8 holes CAG picked in Narendra Modi’s Gujarat development plan

Gujarat PSUs gave undue benefits to business houses: CAG

CAG sharpens attack on Modi govt over gas firm deals, says Gujarat PSUs gave undue benefits to corporate giants


CAG raises question on Gujarat's agriculture growth

Baaki jis DLF aur Vadra ka naam aapne lia uska naam Modi ke sath bhi judd chuka hai for allotting cheap land in Surat, Modi has been charged for giving undue benefits to Adani in tune to over Rs 1000 crore, PILs are still pending on his benefits to corporate houses like Tata .... Google kijiyega, sab mil jayega jaise economist ka article mila.


Aur bhai maine link bhi alag alag akhbar ke chepe hai taki paid media na kah sako, sare to paid nahi honge na?


Kahne ka tatpray ye hai fir se ki daal sab ki kaali hai, aap konsi pasand karte ho wo aap ke upar hai.

Agar Hooda ne APCO jaise agency ko croro de ke apna prachar karaya hota, choti choti baato ka pahad banaya hota aur social media trolls ki army banai hoti to shayad aaj log unke gun ga rahe hote

 

[vicky84]

Now let me take the same parameter(CAG) as you have and show you what you missed reading about Gujarat:

8 holes CAG picked in Narendra Modi’s Gujarat development plan

Gujarat PSUs gave undue benefits to business houses: CAG

CAG sharpens attack on Modi govt over gas firm deals, says Gujarat PSUs gave undue benefits to corporate giants


CAG raises question on Gujarat's agriculture growth

Baaki jis DLF aur Vadra ka naam aapne lia uska naam Modi ke sath bhi judd chuka hai for allotting cheap land in Surat, Modi has been charged for giving undue benefits to Adani in tune to over Rs 1000 crore, PILs are still pending on his benefits to corporate houses like Tata .... Google kijiyega, sab mil jayega jaise economist ka article mila.


Aur bhai maine link bhi alag alag akhbar ke chepe hai taki paid media na kah sako, sare to paid nahi honge na?


Kahne ka tatpray ye hai fir se ki daal sab ki kaali hai, aap konsi pasand karte ho wo aap ke upar hai.

Agar Hooda ne APCO jaise agency ko croro de ke apna prachar karaya hota, choti choti baato ka pahad banaya hota aur social media trolls ki army banai hoti to shayad aaj log unke gun ga rahe hote

Modi is not perfect and nowhere said that.

But I am sure he is far better than Bhuppi in terms of administration.

Atleast Modi's efforts show that but Bhuppi's efforts are more around pleasing his bosses like Sonia, Rahul etc.

I have never every come across Bhuppi discussing about effective public administration. Cutting red tape and unnecessary bureaucracy.

I never heard anything like decentralization in Haryana. Infact in order to please people, he is running loss making PSU's Like HBVNL.

In Bhuppi's administration, budget deficit has increased. He is attracting investment not because he is an effective administrator but because there are high stakes from National Party leaders like Sonia, Vadra etc.

 

[vicky84]

Bihar's per capita grew at 11.75%, MPs at 10.43% and Gujarat's at 6.91.

You need to understand the difference between Developed and Developing and Poor.

A developed state cannot grow at massive rate than a developing state.

Things cannot go up all the time.

For example, some developed countries like Denmark, Sweden cannot experience significant growth in per captica income.

Things become mature in developed countries whereas developing and poor countries/state have a huge scope of improvement.

Clear evidence again that people are prospering more under Nitish and Shivraj than Modi. Even states like Sikkim, Arunachal, Goa and Maharashtra are above Gujarat in per capita income growth.
And mind you, the base here is state's own previous per capita, not other factors.

I hope you'd agree on these ones.

If Bihar is growing at such a fast pace then why Bihar CM is hell bent on declaring state as backward?

He is openly advocating that Bihar is backward state.

So that means he does not believe that things have improved there.

If state has grown so much then why Biharis go outside to find work.

I am not criticizing fact that Nitish has improved Bihar and state is better than what it was under Lalu but that does not mean that you start comparing a developing state with a developed state.

 

[vpannu]

Numbers can be crooked while evaluating a company, state or a country but when someone uses a definite set of criterion to measure success on various parameters and keeps the base similar with similar assumptions, it only adds up to a fair comparison.

For example, the state growth rate. While anyone can argue that you can not compare Bihar to Gujarat in spite of the fact Bihar is growing at double the rate, I believe it is only fair to compare Gujarat to Gujarat which has slowed down under Modi's rule.

Second: Rise in per capita, you might argue a person in Gujarat is bound to earn more than in Bihar because the state is flourished and I would agree but the growth in percapita can give a uniform platform to show how a state or people are progressing, fair? Bihar's per capita grew at 11.75%, MPs at 10.43% and Gujarat's at 6.91. Clear evidence again that people are prospering more under Nitish and Shivraj than Modi. Even states like Sikkim, Arunachal, Goa and Maharashtra are above Gujarat in per capita income growth.
And mind you, the base here is state's own previous per capita, not other factors.

I hope you'd agree on these ones.

Oh my god you are back to square one again. Are you pretending to be dumb or you really are ? Satinder Goyat explained this to you in layman's terms. Go back to post # 1036 on this same thread and you will find the answer ( I know you won't.. so I will paste here).

Ahem Ahem,

Since Gross State Domestic Product (GSDP) of Gujarat is approx 2.35 times than that of Bihar.


(Bihar 217,814, Gujarat 513,173 link http://planningcommission.nic.in/dat...04/tab_104.pdf)


Hence, it obvious that on incremental % terms Bihar will look faring better, As Atish has already explained.


But to further make you understand, lemme give a try.


Example: There are two students, comparing their improvement in Maths subject over a year. (and not 5 Yrs)


Desi Jat (is Bihar), Satinder (is Gujarat)


Desi jat has scored 40 out 100 in 1st year. Satinder has scored 80 out of 100 in the first year. (I'm taking twice and not 2.35 times)


Next year


Desi Jat shows 21.9 % improvement, and Satinder shows 16% improvement.


Now the score becomes 48.76 for Desi and 92.8 for Satinder.


Though Desi jat has performed better in % terms, but still very distant from Satinder in absolute terms. Hence we can't say Desi has beaten Satinder.


(In other words: Desi's growth of 21.9% can be matched by Satinder by a performance improvement of 10.95, But to match Satinder's growth of 16%, Desi will have to show a strong growth of 32%, and more than 37.5% or greater growth if i had taken 2.35 into account)

 

[vicky84]

Now let me take the same parameter(CAG) as you have and show you what you missed reading about Gujarat:

8 holes CAG picked in Narendra Modi’s Gujarat development plan

Gujarat PSUs gave undue benefits to business houses: CAG

CAG sharpens attack on Modi govt over gas firm deals, says Gujarat PSUs gave undue benefits to corporate giants


CAG raises question on Gujarat's agriculture growth

Baaki jis DLF aur Vadra ka naam aapne lia uska naam Modi ke sath bhi judd chuka hai for allotting cheap land in Surat, Modi has been charged for giving undue benefits to Adani in tune to over Rs 1000 crore, PILs are still pending on his benefits to corporate houses like Tata .... Google kijiyega, sab mil jayega jaise economist ka article mila.


Aur bhai maine link bhi alag alag akhbar ke chepe hai taki paid media na kah sako, sare to paid nahi honge na?


Kahne ka tatpray ye hai fir se ki daal sab ki kaali hai, aap konsi pasand karte ho wo aap ke upar hai.

Agar Hooda ne APCO jaise agency ko croro de ke apna prachar karaya hota, choti choti baato ka pahad banaya hota aur social media trolls ki army banai hoti to shayad aaj log unke gun ga rahe hote

I also suggest you to read fresh news on Bhuppi's efforts to grab land from farmers to build memorial to his father. Corruption and loot at its peak in Haryana:

Memorial to CM’s father:
HC puts state on notice
Tribune News
Service​

Chandigarh, April 23
The Punjab and Haryana High Court today put the State
of Haryana on notice on a petition filed in public interest against the transfer
of around 42 acres in Rohtak district for Savindhan Sthala. It is being built in
memory of Chief Minister Bhupinder Singh Hooda's father Ranbir Singh Hooda.

The notice was issued on a petition filed by Sunil Kumar and 11 others of
Garhi Bohar village in Rohtak district. This is the second petition to be filed
in the high court on the issue. In October 2011, a similar petition was filed
but was withdrawn about a month back by the petitioners with the liberty to file
it afresh.

The petitioners argued that the state had issued a notification in 2008 and
in 2009 to acquire around 42 acres in their village. The land was to be acquired
originally by the Haryana State Industrial Development Corporation for
developing an industrial township, but it was later transferred arbitrarily for
the Savindhan Sthala.
Dubbing the action of transferring land as illegal, the petitioners contended
it was done without following the procedure. They added that public land cannot
be transferred for building memorials of private persons and, that too, on 42
acres.

 

[vicky84]

Now let me take the same parameter(CAG) as you have and show you what you missed reading about Gujarat:

8 holes CAG picked in Narendra Modi’s Gujarat development plan

Gujarat PSUs gave undue benefits to business houses: CAG

CAG sharpens attack on Modi govt over gas firm deals, says Gujarat PSUs gave undue benefits to corporate giants


CAG raises question on Gujarat's agriculture growth

Baaki jis DLF aur Vadra ka naam aapne lia uska naam Modi ke sath bhi judd chuka hai for allotting cheap land in Surat, Modi has been charged for giving undue benefits to Adani in tune to over Rs 1000 crore, PILs are still pending on his benefits to corporate houses like Tata .... Google kijiyega, sab mil jayega jaise economist ka article mila.


Aur bhai maine link bhi alag alag akhbar ke chepe hai taki paid media na kah sako, sare to paid nahi honge na?


Kahne ka tatpray ye hai fir se ki daal sab ki kaali hai, aap konsi pasand karte ho wo aap ke upar hai.

Agar Hooda ne APCO jaise agency ko croro de ke apna prachar karaya hota, choti choti baato ka pahad banaya hota aur social media trolls ki army banai hoti to shayad aaj log unke gun ga rahe hote

Also read further evidence of how Bhuppi's tried to please his bosses:

PAG, CAG nails Haryana lies on land to Rajiv Gandhi Trust, DLF pays over Rs 400 crores less for land

http://www.financialexpress.com/new...pays-over-rs-400-crores-less-for-land/1087008

The Principal Accountant General (Audit), Haryana, Onkar Nath today finally nailed the lies of Haryana Government when he told at his press meet that “Land Acquisition Act had been violated to allot land in favour of Rajiv Gandhi Charitable Trust at Gurgaon”. Nath told that in addition, “the real estate developer DLF India was given land for about Rs 1700 crores instead of over Rs 2100 crores by “miscalculating” the amount due thus causing a loss of over Rs 400 crores to the state”. He also informed that 15 Haryana legislators had claimed travel expenses running into several lakhs for the same period that they had availed free travel facility. He also had a dig at the state financial management saying that the report suggests "fiscal mismanagement" in Haryana.


Coming to the land allotted to Rajiv Gandhi Trust which is headed by UPA Chairperson, Ms Sonia Gandhi, Nath said that “In this case Section 4 and 5 of Land Acquisition Act had already been invoked for acquisition of land and for seeking objections before acquiring this land belonging to Panchayat. Section 6 too had been invoked for giving compensation to land owners. It was at this stage that rules were changed in less than a month’s period and undue favour given to the Rajiv Gandhi Charitable Trust that had made an application for allotment of land”. He said that the CAG report was placed in state Assembly on March 11 and now it will be sent to Public


[h=1]CAG raps Haryana over land release to private builders[/h]The state government extended wrongful benefit of Rs 6.5 crore paid as compensation to ineligible candidates


http://www.business-standard.com/ar...lease-to-private-builders-113032000485_1.html

Poor planning by Haryana govt aided pvt builders in Gurgaon: CAG

http://m.firstpost.com/real-estate/...t-buildersgurgaon-cag--692309.html?sz=s&rfh=1

 

[malikdeepak1]

Desi bhai ko aneko baar bata liya ki "numbers" jhoothe hote hai.. parantu bhai ki aankho pe kaangrease ki aisi patti bandhi hui kai wo number ke pashchaat kuch dekh hi nahi paa raha hai.. Bhai Desi, Hooda Saab ne yakeenan development ki hai, par ek 40 km ki sadak banaane ne kya 9 saal lagte hai aur wo bhi adhuri?? (read rohtak to bahadurgarh)

 

[vicky84]

Desi bhai ko aneko baar bata liya ki "numbers" jhoothe hote hai.. parantu bhai ki aankho pe kaangrease ki aisi patti bandhi hui kai wo number ke pashchaat kuch dekh hi nahi paa raha hai.. Bhai Desi, Hooda Saab ne yakeenan development ki hai, par ek 40 km ki sadak banaane ne kya 9 saal lagte hai aur wo bhi adhuri?? (read rohtak to bahadurgarh)

Deepak bhai road ki to dekhi jaagi..

ispai toll aur dhar diya khamkha ka..

Road itni speed tai nahi bana jitna Toll Tax aala booth bana dia

 

[sanjeev1984]

Come on bro... Only smart ppl can pretend to be a dumb... and first option given by you can be ruled out in this particular case...

Oh my god you are back to square one again. Are you pretending to be dumb or you really are ? Satinder Goyat explained this to you in layman's terms. Go back to post # 1036 on this same thread and you will find the answer ( I know you won't.. so I will paste here).

 

[desijat]

You need to understand the difference between Developed and Developing and Poor.

A developed state cannot grow at massive rate than a developing state.

I anticipated this sort of ridiculous analogy in your reply and that is why i tried to explain why this number is important. The base is not 2 different economies, we are comparing the growth of people 2 different states keeping the base to their previous income under same economic conditions in the country. It is a very simple analogy if one tries to understand.

If I or any economist were to go by your standards no country, no economy in the world can ever be compared, fact is they do. So are those economists stupid or are Jatlanders being too smart?

 

[desijat]

Oh my god you are back to square one again. Are you pretending to be dumb or you really are ? Satinder Goyat explained this to you in layman's terms. Go back to post # 1036 on this same thread and you will find the answer ( I know you won't.. so I will paste here).

Leave economy to economists, I am sure you did not even bother to read the parameters I wrote and assumptions i kept contant, did you? Planning commissions, economists and think tanks are not stupid to use the same parameters to compare growth between states.

And if every figure is unfair to compare to the holy Gujarat, what figures are right to compare Sir Noble Laureate Economist Mr. Pannu?

 

[desijat]

Desi bhai ko aneko baar bata liya ki "numbers" jhoothe hote hai..

Deepak bhai, aap ne shayad na aaj tak business kia hai na corporate side ki koi meeting attend ki hai, kyunki aap ki baat se aisa hi laga ... ek kahawat hai, kabhi jaoge to jarur sunoge and trust me I am not making this up - Numbers Never Lie

 

[desijat]

If Bihar is growing at such a fast pace then why Bihar CM is hell bent on declaring state as backward?

He is openly advocating that Bihar is backward state.

Sau main 10 number lane wala agar 25 le aye, 33 ke passing level se to phir bhi neeche hai bhai? Bihar is growing but has not grown to be called a grown state.. second, it is in their interest to call themselves backward to get money from Center for further development... yeda pan ke peda khana

 

[desijat]

Also read further evidence of how Bhuppi's tried to please his bosses:

PAG, CAG nails Haryana lies on land to Rajiv Gandhi Trust, DLF pays over Rs 400 crores less for land
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Dekh bhai aap ke imandar ki kartut:

Modi also 'gifted' DLF Gandhinagar prime land

I am not sure why people dont read such stuff?