Why spurt in rape cases?

bsbana said:
I read an article which I want to share.

Comparing India with west on rape statistics written by American writer
Rape Statistics

Per Capita for 100,000 population

India = 1.8,

United Kingdom (England and Wales) = 28.8,

USA = 27.3.

Sweden 63.5

Australia 79.5


search for "Rape more common than smoking in the US". There are more
woman who have been raped than are smoking in US According to the U.S.
Department of Justice's National Crime Victimization Survey --there is
an average of 207,754 victims (age 12 or older) of rape and sexual
assault each year.


Here is just a small sample...


28 Mar 2013: Girl, 14, raped by two men on Glasgow bus (The Guardian)

January 14, 2013: Elmont, New York, 15-Year-Old Girl Gang-Raped In Front
Of Teacher, Who Allegedly Does Nothing ( The Inquisitr)

February 12, 2013, Australian tourist raped in NYC after leaving cab

April 10 2013, Rape of Teen Girl Has Neighbors on Edge. Police say a
14-year-old girl was gang raped by a group of five men. ( Philadelphia)

April 5, 2013, La Salle, Police Investigate Easter Sunday Sex Assault. A
La Salle University student told police she was grabbed by four men and
gang raped just off campus. ( Philadelphia)

March 22, 2013, Woman Tied Up, Raped and Robbed. Police are searching
for two men who tied-up, sexually assaulted, and robbed a 62-year-old
woman inside a North Philadelphia home. ( Philadelphia)

April 6 2013, Woman Raped, Slashed in Rittenhouse Square. ( Philadelphia)


These are just some that have managed to even make the local news. Most
don't even get any attention at all. Why aren't these stories front page
on Yahoo? or even in the News Feed?


Where is the Outrage, Riots? or even a small protest?


There were 572 cases of rape in New Delhi in 2011, Australia and Sweden
about 16000. Population of New Delhi ( 20 million) exceeds that of
Australia and Sweden. That would make New Delhi safer by several orders
of magnitude than any western nation.


Raping is so common in US and Western nations that it doesn't even come in news anymore...We should be ashamed Americans.


The horrible events that took place in New Delhi caused a national riot
because the idea of several men brutalizing a woman like that was
unheard of. Things like that happen in the US, but no one riots because
it is to be expected. Doesn't even make the news, lucky if even local
news paper will cover it.


Statistics are completely in line with what historically travelers
through out the centuries have remarked on how unbelievably safe
respected woman are in India. For famous travelers, go read Mark Twain's
writing on his journey through India. Or Read German philosopher
Friedrich Nietzsche, essays on status of woman in ancient cultures. Or
even Voltaire.

So much so that in PBS Documentary on production and consumption of GOLD
( early 80's), the host (British accent) while in India remarked that
"I got to say this, I know this film has nothing to do with this, but I
am amazed how respected and safe woman are in this country" gave several
examples, one particular one about a woman cutting grass in field
loaded with Gold jewelry, feeling completely safe.


People who credited with improving women's status in western society in
17th and 18th century didn't go to Church on Sunday's but met in what
were known as "India Houses" or Hindu Societies. They were collectively
known as Deist's. Their model for both religious tolerance and improving
status of women the west was Indian Culture. ( go read " British
discovery of Hinduism in 17th century" it might out of print, but it's a
Ph'd thesis at Oxford, should be able to get it in their archives)
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Mr Bana, statistics r alarming bt at the same time they donot represent true picture because:

a) the definition or rape in India is different wen u compare with west. (The law, which dates from 1860, has been amended only twice since then, in 1983 and 2003. “There is need for a much broader definition of rape, as is accepted by international standards,” said Meenakshi Ganguly, South Asia director of Human Rights Watch.)http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/07/indias-rape-and-sexual-assault-laws-under-scrutiny/

b.) how many cases get reported. in many instances, victim and relatives do not report it. in other cases, it get settled by different parties. atrocities on dalits get least reported because of their social status. lack of knowledge of law n order further prevent some people making complaints. police's behavior and attitude never encourage people to report such cases. n so on(Is it a same case in West?).

c) what is d freedom given to woman. how many women go out n work. how many of them study and pursue career(Is it a same case in West?).

d.) how many parents spend money on girl comparing boys. thus woman stay at home n does household activities only(Is it a same case in West?).
 
Let me highlight few more points on rape definition:

a.)India’s current definition of rape is steeped in outmoded traditions, making the possibility of a conviction unlikely in many cases, human rights activists said.

b.)Currently, section 375 of the Indian Penal Code is defined as vaginal-penile intercourse against a woman’s consent. Excluded from the law is the rape of a woman by her husband if the woman is above 15 years of age.

c.)“The world is changing, and because there are changes in society we need to modify the definition of the rape law,” said Monica Joshi, a law officer at the Human Rights Law Network in New Delhi who specializes in women’s cases. “The law needs to include things like oral penetration, anal penetration, insertion of a foreign object into a woman’s body, dating rape, marital rape and deal with direct and indirect consent.”

d.)The current law also lacks clarity about punishments for a convicted rapist. According to section 376 of the Indian Penal Code, the minimum sentence for a convicted rapist is seven to 10 years, while the maximum sentence is life imprisonment. Gang rape carries a punishment of 10 years to life imprisonment. However, in certain situations a convicted rapist can get away with serving less time.

e.)“Unlike some other countries, such as the United States and England, India does not have sentencing guidelines, which provide rules and principles for judges to follow while sentencing,” said Mr. Satish. This contributes to the “rampant disparity” in punishments for rape cases, he said.


LAST BUT MOST IMPORTANT POINT(WHICH is very common in India n ambit of law under sexual assault does not cover it)


Under section 354 of the Indian Penal Code, sexual assault is described as “outraging the modesty of a woman” – a description considered archaic, subjective and limited by legal experts. “We need to increase the ambit of sexual assault to include harassment, verbal abuse, groping, acid attacks, stalking and cyber crime,” said Ms. Anand.


source: http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/07/indias-rape-and-sexual-assault-laws-under-scrutiny/
 
AnkurMalik said:
Mr Bana, statistics r alarming bt at the same time they donot represent true picture because:

a) the definition or rape in India is different wen u compare with west. (The law, which dates from 1860, has been amended only twice since then, in 1983 and 2003. “There is need for a much broader definition of rape, as is accepted by international standards,” said Meenakshi Ganguly, South Asia director of Human Rights Watch.)http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/07/indias-rape-and-sexual-assault-laws-under-scrutiny/
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Only marital rapes are not included in India, rest no difference.
b.) how many cases get reported. in many instances, victim and relatives do not report it. in other cases, it get settled by different parties. atrocities on dalits get least reported because of their social status. lack of knowledge of law n order further prevent some people making complaints. police's behavior and attitude never encourage people to report such cases. n so on(Is it a same case in West?).
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Many cases in India are fake too, girls living in live-in-relationship who are dumped by their boyfriends also report rapes. Similarly many lower castes( in states like Rajasthan) are more sexually liberal and prone to report fake cases if there is fight between upper caste and lower caste families.
c) what is d freedom given to woman. how many women go out n work. how many of them study and pursue career(Is it a same case in West?).
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Lot of poor women work in farm-houses and unorganized sectors,etc. Women participation is not as low as upper-middle class people tend to think(refer economic survey of India). An Indian lower strata women working in farmhouse will be more vulnerable than an american woman working in office as there is more surveillance in office. Moreover you also need to take per-capita police-force available in India. What if per-capita police deployment in US as low as India ? I can also ask if it is same in west.
Urban regions are full of slums in India, and one couple has 5-10 children in those slums. Without batter parenting and education, these children are turning into "sex zombies", same can be said about child labor migrated from poor regions. Is educational/human development of children same in west ?
d.) how many parents spend money on girl comparing boys. thus woman stay at home n does household activities only(Is it a same case in West?).
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Do you mean more-money spending upon women will result in more rape. Only middle class women are stayed at household activities. 60% Indians are poor which is biggest class.
 
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What are your views on "+ immature women". As, taali do haath se bajti hai, ek se nahi....

Dear , read again this indicates that victim actually is a not victim rather accomplice in such act .

Don't forget, in villages consensual sex becomes rape, when caught red-handed.

I m not aware of any village stuff , still as per my Observation this is not Immaturity - rather FEAR of getting caught . Not just in villages rather anywhere .
This is obvious human nature - if we get caught red handed doing something which is not accepted by society we tend to speak lies about it be it premarital sex , booze , smoke , cheating or whatever .
If this is immaturity , we can never be mature .

PS : Many gals tend to take advantage of these things , well no one is SAINT here .
 
bsbana said:

Only marital rapes are not included in India, rest no difference.

Many cases in India are fake too, girls living in live-in-relationship who are dumped by their boyfriends also report rapes. Similarly many lower castes( in states like Rajasthan) are more sexually liberal and prone to report fake cases if there is fight between upper caste and lower caste families.

Lot of poor women work in farm-houses and unorganized sectors,etc. Women participation is not as low as upper-middle class people tend to think(refer economic survey of India). An Indian lower strata women working in farmhouse will be more vulnerable than an american woman working in office as there is more surveillance in office. Moreover you also need to take per-capita police-force available in India. What if per-capita police deployment in US as low as India ? I can also ask if it is same in west.
Urban regions are full of slums in India, and one couple has 5-10 children in those slums. Without batter parenting and education, these children are turning into "sex zombies", same can be said about child labor migrated from poor regions. Is educational/human development of children same in west ?

Do you mean more-money spending upon women will result in more rape. Only middle class women are stayed at household activities. 60% Indians are poor which is biggest class.
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Mr Bana, though you have correctly pointed out some facts which i would not argue wid u bt at the same time let me tell u that dere is big difference in how u define rape in different countries. ur statement(Only marital rapes are not included in India, rest no difference.) is not correct. I let u read this article which describes much in detail(http://www.economist.com/node/21561883). Under Indian penal code, Julian Assange would have got scot-free whereas under Sweden laws, charges ve been framed against him.

Also 90 percent cases go unreported in India as per studies. Also chck out the woman's freedom index in west vs India. Patriarchy and male dominance in Indian society never allow things to come out. so no comparison dear.
 
AnkurMalik said:

dear wht do u mean by quoted statements? could u please make it clear.

cheers,
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This was about the lower economical class. This class has high population growth which strains the family's resources as well as the government funds resulting in less then adequate funds available on education per child.
As such, proper education helps in reduction of such barbaric crimes.
 
cooljat said:
I'm not the one who bring some 'Aankde' like a mathematician and compare. This is evident India is in deep $hit and its keep going down and we are boasting in vain and living in a bubble.

Wake up to the reality .. India is no more 'Mahan' .. actually we the Indians are 'Mahan' ! Thumbs down !!
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I will do that job for you, like I did it on your Facebook status when you posted the same status:

In India there are 1.3 rapes per 100000 population, in US and UK it is around 27 and in AUS it is 79.
 
desijat said:
I will do that job for you, like I did it on your Facebook status when you posted the same status:

In India there are 1.3 rapes per 100000 population, in US and UK it is around 27 and in AUS it is 79.
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dear, check out true picture. these figures don;t reflect reality my friend(chk out earlier posts in this thread).
 
Arvindc said:
This was about the lower economical class. This class has high population growth which strains the family's resources as well as the government funds resulting in less then adequate funds available on education per child.
As such, proper education helps in reduction of such barbaric crimes.
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thanks dear for explanation.
cheers.
 
Dear, agree. there is a huge jump in false rape cases in last couple of yrs. its not always man's fault.

Kinda agree , however cases which were reported either gang rapes or minor molestation .

In all these cases we all know who did what ............n who faked it or falsely accused whom .
 
Mate, stop putting your bull$hit stats here, Life doesn't run on statistics.

A rape is rape wondering what you want to prove here by comparing?



desijat said:
I will do that job for you, like I did it on your Facebook status when you posted the same status:

In India there are 1.3 rapes per 100000 population, in US and UK it is around 27 and in AUS it is 79.
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I am just wondering by what standards you chose to demean India so badly and rudely and chose to stay in Australia which is worst when it comes to crime against women? Please enlighten
cooljat said:
Mate, stop putting your bull$hit stats here, Life doesn't run on statistics.

A rape is rape wondering what you want to prove here by comparing?
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Haha, you kidding mate? Australia is worst again women .. what a joke. :D

Come here and see yourself, men are in minority here .. women are many steps ahead than men in terms of freedom, rights, fun and many more.

Sometimes I feel like you're a true student of Digvijay Singh .. Asle Utradhikari !! ;)




desijat said:
I am just wondering by what standards you chose to demean India so badly and rudely and chose to stay in Australia which is worst when it comes to crime against women? Please enlighten
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Try explaining that to the person who compiled the figures which is not 1 or 2 but 80 times more than India.... i.e. for every 1 atrocity against women in India Aus sees 80.

And if defending my country against a foreign country with sane logic is illogical to you, I am happy for you to be in Australia


cooljat said:
Haha, you kidding mate? Australia is worst again women .. what a joke. :D

Come here and see yourself, men are in minority here .. women are many steps ahead than men in terms of freedom, rights, fun and many more.

Sometimes I feel like you're a true student of Digvijay Singh .. Asle Utradhikari !! ;)
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desijat said:
Try explaining that to the person who compiled the figures which is not 1 or 2 but 80 times more than India.... i.e. for every 1 atrocity against women in India Aus sees 80.

And if defending my country against a foreign country with sane logic is illogical to you, I am happy for you to be in Australia
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my dear friend u ve nt responded to my previous posts n explanations. Comparing India with west is like comparing apples n oranges. dear accept d realty.
 
cooljat said:
Mate, stop putting your bull$hit stats here, Life doesn't run on statistics.

A rape is rape wondering what you want to prove here by comparing?
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dear these stats r wrong. don;t compare india wid western world. dey r poles apart. no comparison dear.
 
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