He said a lot more, that is what you took. He said India should be a Hindu nation, India needs uniform civil code, Ever muslim born in India is a hindu and Hindus should only live in India. And then you ask why is bJP communal?
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Communal Tension in Muzaffarnagar, Shamli of west UP
- Thread starter prashantacmet
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He said different things he said I am even asking muslims to convert because we have same DNA and we were one once. He said foreign people created these divides among us. He never said only hindus should live here. He said they vote as a block so its fair for hindus to vote as a block. He did say about civil code for all and lot of people did raise their hands in its support as well.
I never said BJP is a secular party nor I said it is communal.
But still these things were well know and he himself is saying it so what got exposed ?
I never said BJP is a secular party nor I said it is communal.
But still these things were well know and he himself is saying it so what got exposed ?
You is not you personally but those who do.upport as well.
I never said BJP is a secular party nor I said it is communal.
But still these things were well know and he himself is saying it so what got exposed ?
Exposed is first time acceptance on national media. This is only going to harm BJP.
Ek bar galti te Sompal Shastri jita dia tha, uska result out hue saanjh bhi na hui thi logo ke gharo main chulhe jalne band ho lie the gham main--- re bhai mhare wala har ga...
In 1998 ,i.e, 15 years back. The situation is just opposite now a new young generation has arrived. Ib na koi kehwe mhare wala haar gaya na to bhai is jatland pe hi pooch le logo se koi kehga kya west up se.
It is very important that irrespective of caste, Hindus should unite.
No doubt, Jat self-respect has been badly bruised if not crushed. It would be wise for the community to at least NOW take corrective action so that the same mistakes are not repeated.
1. Not to encourage outsiders irrespective of religion or caste to settle amongst us.
2. To forge mutually beneficial partnerships with other castes as Gujjars, Yadavs and Thakurs under the umbrella of Hinduism.
3. Nurture and develop local Jat leadership who will go on to assume leadership role in the future.
4. Social and economic boycott of the Muslims so that they leave the area peacefully.
5. Gradually increase the population of Jats in W.UP through higher fertility rate mixed with migration of poorer Jats from other regions.
No doubt, Jat self-respect has been badly bruised if not crushed. It would be wise for the community to at least NOW take corrective action so that the same mistakes are not repeated.
1. Not to encourage outsiders irrespective of religion or caste to settle amongst us.
2. To forge mutually beneficial partnerships with other castes as Gujjars, Yadavs and Thakurs under the umbrella of Hinduism.
3. Nurture and develop local Jat leadership who will go on to assume leadership role in the future.
4. Social and economic boycott of the Muslims so that they leave the area peacefully.
5. Gradually increase the population of Jats in W.UP through higher fertility rate mixed with migration of poorer Jats from other regions.
maddhan1979
Banned
It is sad and bad news.
These are people of the same tribes same blood same area, living together for hundreds of years.
These events are happening due to bad education, frustration due to wrong policies, wrong direction of youth, bad influence of communication media, ignorance, lack of sports facilities to build comradeship and develop sports man spirit.
I do not know where the youth is going?
Distributing laptops is not the solution to everyday human problems.
Killing each other in the name of religion and community is not the solution, was never a solution and will never be a solution.
These are people of the same tribes same blood same area, living together for hundreds of years.
These events are happening due to bad education, frustration due to wrong policies, wrong direction of youth, bad influence of communication media, ignorance, lack of sports facilities to build comradeship and develop sports man spirit.
I do not know where the youth is going?
Distributing laptops is not the solution to everyday human problems.
Killing each other in the name of religion and community is not the solution, was never a solution and will never be a solution.
Bhai, you are right youths are looking beyond caste & party and now situation has changed moderately but not completely. I have seen still a larger lot of seniors goes traditional way as 20yrs back...
In 1998 ,i.e, 15 years back. The situation is just opposite now a new young generation has arrived. Ib na koi kehwe mhare wala haar gaya na to bhai is jatland pe hi pooch le logo se koi kehga kya west up se.
maddhan1979
Banned
It is very important that irrespective of caste, Hindus should unite.
No doubt, Jat self-respect has been badly bruised if not crushed. It would be wise for the community to at least NOW take corrective action so that the same mistakes are not repeated.
1. Not to encourage outsiders irrespective of religion or caste to settle amongst us.
2. To forge mutually beneficial partnerships with other castes as Gujjars, Yadavs and Thakurs under the umbrella of Hinduism.
3. Nurture and develop local Jat leadership who will go on to assume leadership role in the future.
4. Social and economic boycott of the Muslims so that they leave the area peacefully.
5. Gradually increase the population of Jats in W.UP through higher fertility rate mixed with migration of poorer Jats from other regions.
Why should Muslims migrate?
Who is an outsider? There is no outsider, they are the same people from same tribes following different religions.
Local Jat leadership does not mean, only Jats have a right to existence and live in any one particular area.
We are all "Jutts" irrespective of our religion, occupation or caste.
You must study history to see, how we are related.
Ask these questions to the Jats in W.UP who have faced muslim mobs carrying AK 47 rifles.
Ask these questions to the families of Jats who were killed and thrown in the Jolly canal.
Ask these questions to the family whose girl was continually being molested and whose brothers were killed.
Your reasoning makes lot of sense, BUT only in an ideal scenario which I am afraid it is not and never will be.
When the seas have parted, your siding with the Muslims makes me think harder that we first need to have lot of churning within the community before we can take care of the outside challenges.
Ask these questions to the families of Jats who were killed and thrown in the Jolly canal.
Ask these questions to the family whose girl was continually being molested and whose brothers were killed.
Your reasoning makes lot of sense, BUT only in an ideal scenario which I am afraid it is not and never will be.
When the seas have parted, your siding with the Muslims makes me think harder that we first need to have lot of churning within the community before we can take care of the outside challenges.
Why should Muslims migrate?
Who is an outsider? There is no outsider, they are the same people from same tribes following different religions.
Local Jat leadership does not mean, only Jats have a right to existence and live in any one particular area.
We are all "Jutts" irrespective of our religion, occupation or caste.
You must study history to see, how we are related.
Bhai, you are right youths are looking beyond caste & party and now situation has changed moderately but not completely. I have seen still a larger lot of seniors goes traditional way as 20yrs back...
Bhai,
Hamare buddhe bhi ye jaante hai ki Ajit or uske chore ke bas ka kuch na hai par jahan biradari wali baat aati hai vote gerna padta hai. Ye baatein badal rahai hai ab hame bujurgo ko bhi vishwas me lena padega kyonki ashirwad unka bhi chahiye.
Bhai situation aisi hai ki bade budhe to ab bhi ye hi kahenge, baaki jawano ka mood jarur badla hai par some of them live in Delhi or other cities and seldom vote, those who do feel pressured by seniors
Waise not many people would know this, my family was very active to promote Sompal Shastri in the region during that election, he comes from a neighboring village. This was a note for those who say i only promote congress.
Waise not many people would know this, my family was very active to promote Sompal Shastri in the region during that election, he comes from a neighboring village. This was a note for those who say i only promote congress.
In 1998 ,i.e, 15 years back. The situation is just opposite now a new young generation has arrived. Ib na koi kehwe mhare wala haar gaya na to bhai is jatland pe hi pooch le logo se koi kehga kya west up se.
maddhan1979
Banned
Ask these questions to the Jats in W.UP who have faced muslim mobs carrying AK 47 rifles.
Ask these questions to the families of Jats who were killed and thrown in the Jolly canal.
Ask these questions to the family whose girl was continually being molested and whose brothers were killed.
Your reasoning makes lot of sense, BUT only in an ideal scenario which I am afraid it is not and never will be.
When the seas have parted, your siding with the Muslims makes me think harder that we first need to have lot of churning within the community before we can take care of the outside challenges.
It is not a point of "me siding with muslims or me siding with Jats",, the point is " What are the root causes of such incidents", "Lack of education, ignorance, wrong understanding of thoughts given by media, etc are the main causes".
A small and short way of getting rid of the problem is that people separate and start living at far off places, but tell me " do such events not also happen with in Jat community?", i have heard about quarrels between families, neighbors, friends etc. who all were "Jats" because some "Jat" did the same thing to some other "Jats" sister.
So the main point is the problem related with "thought process". Today, u can separate muslims ,then tomorrow, if the same thing starts between two Jat families, Jat clans, etc., then what?
The arguments and counter arguments are endless but until and unless you will change the thought process towards more scientific and logical way of living a life, things will not change.
The very crux of the problem in the society is the thought process and easy solution finding ways, which are often short term solutions to any given problem and in long run they will magnify and involve even bigger crowds.
maddhan1979
Banned
Ask these questions to the Jats in W.UP who have faced muslim mobs carrying AK 47 rifles.
Ask these questions to the families of Jats who were killed and thrown in the Jolly canal.
Ask these questions to the family whose girl was continually being molested and whose brothers were killed.
Your reasoning makes lot of sense, BUT only in an ideal scenario which I am afraid it is not and never will be.
When the seas have parted, your siding with the Muslims makes me think harder that we first need to have lot of churning within the community before we can take care of the outside challenges.
These are endless fights i have seen Jat families being destroyed just because of this blind attitude.
Bhai situation aisi hai ki bade budhe to ab bhi ye hi kahenge, baaki jawano ka mood jarur badla hai par some of them live in Delhi or other cities and seldom vote, those who do feel pressured by seniors
Waise not many people would know this, my family was very active to promote Sompal Shastri in the region during that election, he comes from a neighboring village. This was a note for those who say i only promote congress.
First of all promoting Congress is not a crime , if you do so. Secondly, the long lasting change will not come overnight. I think u accept that the wave of change started blowing as u accept that some youngsters ka mood badla hai. ab hamara bhi to farz banta hai ki hum Kawaal me jo hamare bhai maare gaye unki jaan to wapas nahi la sakte par jo incident hua jiski wajah se unki jaan gayi use hone se rokne ki koshish kar sakte hai. Bahen beti sabke ghar hai or hamesha rahengi unka sam-maan or suraksha ke liye ek saath aana padega .
These are endless fights i have seen Jat families being destroyed just because of this blind attitude.
You are right Maddhan. It is seldom possible in every community, caste & creed. I have seen same infighting among muslims, thakurs, gujjars or anyone. But now what happened , an individual was not targeted it was community which was targeted at Jolly canal. So it is quite clear that even with infightings we have to be united with the cause. We need to understand that this time is not to highlight the fighting nature of Jats but to show sympathy and unity with the sister who was stalked n brothers who were killed in broad day light and UP govt & administration taking sides.
It is very important that irrespective of caste, Hindus should unite.
No doubt, Jat self-respect has been badly bruised if not crushed. It would be wise for the community to at least NOW take corrective action so that the same mistakes are not repeated.
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5. Gradually increase the population of Jats in W.UP through higher fertility rate mixed with migration of poorer Jats from other regions.
भाई, यो सुझाव कुछ अटपटा सा लाग्या I fertility rate बढ़ावण की कहाँ जरूरत पड़गी, एक दो बालक पालना ए मुश्कल हो ज्या सै महंगाई के दौर मै I हरेक परिवार मै 10 - 12 लड़धू होण लागगे तो गुजारा क्यूकर होगा I दूसरें गामां तैं ल्याके लोग्गां नै बसाओगे तो उन नै जमीन जायदाद किसकी खोस के द्योगे I सुझाव कुछ व्यवहारिक नहीं लाग्या I या मेरे समझण मै फर्क रहग्या होगा I
maddhan1979
Banned
It is very important that irrespective of caste, Hindus should unite.
No doubt, Jat self-respect has been badly bruised if not crushed. It would be wise for the community to at least NOW take corrective action so that the same mistakes are not repeated.
1. Not to encourage outsiders irrespective of religion or caste to settle amongst us.
2. To forge mutually beneficial partnerships with other castes as Gujjars, Yadavs and Thakurs under the umbrella of Hinduism.
3. Nurture and develop local Jat leadership who will go on to assume leadership role in the future.
4. Social and economic boycott of the Muslims so that they leave the area peacefully.
5. Gradually increase the population of Jats in W.UP through higher fertility rate mixed with migration of poorer Jats from other regions.
And yes, the population of Jats must increase as this has been major community which is involved in productive agriculture and has been supplying work force to Army and other major service sectors.
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shekharjat
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Bure waqt main jo kaam aaye wo dost par jo aag main ghee daal kar roti seke? Ye hi kaam in logo ne kia
Aur bhai kisi te bhi boojh lie, Gujjar jato te kitna jalle hai- jag jahir hai ye bat
bhai gujjar jatto se jale hai yo to thik kahi parr nu bhi bata detta jeeb musalmano ka number aave tu nu keh akk ji generalise na karoo ebb gujjaro ka nuber aaya to sare gujjar jalle hai bhai.........sarre hi jale haii ya ek adha ...thik bhi to hoga.......
arr bhai jale to sare hai ek dusre se ibb yahajatland parr bhi to bhatare jo ek dusro se thoda ghandah jale hai ........to kia ibb nu keh eve akk jat bha jalle hai ek dusrre se sare.............??????????
shekharjat
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भाई, यो सुझाव कुछ अटपटा सा लाग्या I fertility rate बढ़ावण की कहाँ जरूरत पड़गी, एक दो बालक पालना ए मुश्कल हो ज्या सै महंगाई के दौर मै I हरेक परिवार मै 10 - 12 लड़धू होण लागगे तो गुजारा क्यूकर होगा I दूसरें गामां तैं ल्याके लोग्गां नै बसाओगे तो उन नै जमीन जायदाद किसकी खोस के द्योगे I सुझाव कुछ व्यवहारिक नहीं लाग्या I या मेरे समझण मै फर्क रहग्या होगा I
vijay sir...jayda balak honge to jameen apno mai hi bateggi arr....ek-do honge to khosli jaagi.....abb app batao apno mai dharti bate thik hai..ya dusre khos leve...vo sahi hai.........kam se kam 3 balak to jaroor karne chaiye jatto ko ...............
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यदि यह सच हुआ तो नवरात्रि में समाजवादी में केवल एक ही धर्म के लोग बचेंगे। टूट तो बीसपी भी जाएगी क्योंकि आज़म खाँ प्रकरण के पश्चात उन्हें भी अपने क्षेत्र में मुँह दिखाना भारी पड़ रहा है ! अब देखना है कि मुलायम क्या चुनता है सरकार अथवा आजम खाँ !