App bilkul sahi na aap thekedar ho aur na main. Mera intent sawal ye tha, Jatland pe aate ho aur fir ye bhi kahte ho ki hume jatiwad (not explicitly i mean that) bhi nahi karna chahiye.
Thanks for posting the interesting question above about being a JL member yet not casteist. your question did add value as it helped carry the discussion forward.
Why I am on JL if I am against castism.
Firstly, To learn about and take pride in our heritage does not make us casteist, as long as it does not come at the expense of others and does not gives us false sense of casteist superiority. Nothing wrong in me being proud of being Jat or saying "jats are great people" but it will be wrong for me to say that "ONLY JATS" are great and all others are inferior. I can be proud of my heritage, yet not run others down, be respectful to other communities and engage them at par with equal respect without being dogmatic.
Secondly, caste is one of many things we use to define our identities e.g. Caste, nationality, religion, humanity, survivability, etc. Different people
assign different weight to these factors to define their identity, no right or wrong allocations there, just different. This subconscious allocation of weightage also changes with time as we evolve with age, maturity, exposer, circumstances, etc. Caste for me is just one of many things that define my identity and it has lower weightage for me compared to other factors.
More in details here on post #36
http://www.jatland.com/forums/showt...-you-consider-them-Jatnis&p=257452#post257452
Lastly, I copied this from someone's FB status, this can be easily applied to doing various thing yet be jat, also can be applied to advocate why arent we more tolerant and supportive to GLBT. "Your car is Japanese. Your pizza is Italian. Your beer is (might be) German.Your wine is Spanish. Your democracy is Greek. Your coffee is Brazilian. Your tea is Chinese. Your watch is Swiss. Your fashion is French. Your shirt is Indian. Your shoes are Thai. Your radio is Korean.... Your vodka is Russian. And you complain about your neighbor being an immigrant (or not Jat-enough or GLBT)? Copy this if you are against racism."
(PS: वोह ठेकेदार वाली बात एस लिए लिख दी थि की इक बार मुझे लगा की आप यह प्रशन उठा रहे हैं की मुझे JL पर होने का हक नहीं है. सच्चाई ये है की थोडा खटका, लेकिन बुरा नहीं लगा, इस लिए क्लेअर कर रहा हूँ सब के सामने. शायद मुझे गलत महसूस हुआ, तोह फिर दुबारा से झमा परार्थी हूँ. शायद मुझे बात और अच्छे ढंग से कह देनी चाही ये थी. लेकिन अगर भाई तन्ने इस बात पे प्रशन किया है की मुझे यहाँ होने का क्या हक है तोह ये गलत है. भूल चुक माफ़ भाई)
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Filhal mujhe aap issi caregory mein lagte ho so carry on please.
Bhai, please elaborate. I did not completely understand you. Which category you are branding me in to? is it good? or bad? Are you encouraging? or are you discouraging? I am willing to listen and be discouraged based on evidence-backed reasoning, I am not अड़ियल टटू
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Kahin maine padha tha, "jaisa dekhogey chitar vaisa hoga charitat and jaisa khaogey ann vaisa hoga mann" N for you i think both have changed so totally in synch with you.
Bhai, I am taking your statement in a positive light, please correct me if my interpretation is wrong. To me, you mean to say, environment and exposer etc influence us, our thinking and attitude. I agree with your statement. I use to be a dogmatic and conservative person and I gradually evolved into more progressive and liberal person due to exposer and my willingness to be open to evidence-based reasoning. I am just confirming your statement with my personal example
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Bhai aap in genes ki maa behan karo and apne studies ko sahi mano. Meri ideology to byah bhi pani jati mein karne ki hai and wahi karunga.
Bhai, never say never, cuz we evolve with time. Kisi se bhi biyah kar, bhai tu razi rehna chahiye, hamari duwayen tere saath se. Ees baat pe tere ko eek gana dedicate kiya hai
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gny2R18kUw (Jat ke pasand aagi, eeb tu jatno ho li)
"Jat Ke Ayi, Jatni Kehlayi" - jats have been practicing it for centuries (personally, it does not matter to me what they consider themselves, its up to individual to decide). Do not go by my views, go with evidence. Check out Ravi's post 34, my post 44 and 46 on the following thread"
http://www.jatland.com/forums/showt...ed-to-jat-guys...-do-you-consider-them-Jatnis
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Bhai Tune naya naya likhna shuru kiya hai ye sab topic ki pahle bahut maa behan ho chuki hai tu laga rhaa hai...all the very best to you for this.
As long as these issues remain in the society, discussion will continue. If not by you or me then by others. Its a right thing to do. I do agree, if you have been part of it then too long then we may run the risk of intellectual-fatigue.
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Of course, no offence taken. I completely understand your viewpoint and positive intent. I took your post in a positive light. भाई अड़े ऐकले सींग तुडान थोड़े ए न आये सा...here to learn and network in fun manner
Tu senti na ho ... kacche kaat आर यो गाना सुन
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f468Ox_v2HU