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Should Jats Vote to Congress Now after getting OBC Reservation ?
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Communities or Caste? Please clarify....
मैडम मैडम करके अगर हुड्डा हरियाणा में कई कॉलेज और यूनिवर्सिटी खुलवा जाता है ,aiims खुलवा देता है ,iim स्टार्ट करवा देता है ,थर्मल पावर प्लांट चालू करवा देता है ,रेलवे लाइन बिछवा देता है और हाईवे और फ्लाईओवर बनवा देता है तो हमे क्या दिक्कत है ?the only criteria for you to vote for congress is that it has made a jat the cm. Whether that jat cm bows down infront of madam, you don't care. Whether that jat cm forcefully acquires agricultural land and gifts it to the son-in-law of the party, you don't care.
Reservation or no reservation, jats are a part of this larger society. Tomorrow if god forbid, congress comes to power - it will pass its favourite communal violence bill and if that happens your (and also mine) future generations will not forgive us for strengthening the hands of this communal party which can stoop to any level to stay in power.
Reservation was the right of the community and congress has done no favour by giving reservation. Giving reservation cannot wash away the sins of the congress party which stood side-by-side with people who killed jat brothers in muzaffarnagar. If you still want to vote for the congress party, you can do so. After all, it's your right.
सबसे बड़ी बात ,मैडम मैडम करने से जाटों को आरक्षण मिल जाता है तो क्या दिक्कत है ?
चौटाला चाहे कितना भी बड़ा जाट नेता हो ,लेकिन उसने जाटों की शिक्षा के लिए कोई कदम नहीं उठाये ,न कोई ढंग सर का कॉलेज बनवाया न ही कोई रेल लाइन बिछवाई अपने कार्यकाल में । जाट आरक्षण पर तो कभी मुँह ही नहीं खोला ।
अनपढ़ जाट चौटाला के भक्त है , चौटाला कभी नहीं चाहता था कि जाट पढ़ लिख कर आगे बढ़े और समझदार बन जाये । उसे डर था कि अगर जाट शिक्षित हो गए तो वो उसे वोट नहीं देंगे । इसलिए जाटों कि शिक्षा के लिए कोई ठोस कदम नहीं उठाये ।
अब भाई तू मुस्लमान की बात करता है , तेरे चौटाला ने ही गुडगाँव लोक सभा सीट से मुस्लमान उम्मीदवार को टिकट दी है । पूरे हरियाणा में इनेलो ने ही एक मात्र मुस्लमान उम्मीदवार उतारा है मैदान में ।
मुझे आश्चार्य तो इस बात का है ,भिवानी महेन्द्रगढ़ से इसने हरियाणा में जाटों के कट्टर दुश्मन अहीर (यादव) को टिकट दी । अब किस मुंह से चौटाला का समर्थन किया जाये ?
भाई साहब आपने तो वही बात कर दी - पूरी रामायण सुनकर पूछ लिया सीता किसका बाप था ?For your knowledge Local roads and water are responsibility of Parshad not MP or MLA. In a colony Jats live together with other community. Roads and Water are provided at same rate for everyone. Parshad doesn't put extra cement in front of Jat House.
Soshit to hume Congress kar rahi he 60 saal se bata kiske paas jayen ab?
पूरे हरियाणा को जब पता है , कुलदीप बिश्नोई जाटों का कट्टर दुश्मन है फिर भी आपको अब तक ये नहीं पता उसकी हार में ही जाटों की जीत है ।
जब पिछले चुनाव में सम्पत सिंह इनेलो से उम्मीदवार था तब वो बढ़िया आदमी ,चौटाला के कारण भजनलाल से हार गया और इस बार कांग्रेस से लड़ रहा है अब वो घटिया इंसान ।
पांच सालों में सम्पत सिंह के सींग उग आये क्या जो अब वो बढ़िया उम्मीदवार नहीं रहा ?
ये मत भूलो 2009 विधान सभा चुनाव में सम्पत सिंह ने ही भजनलाल परिवार के गढ़ नलवा हलके से जस्मा देवी को हराया था |
भाई साहब आपने तो वही बात कर दी - पूरी रामायण सुनकर पूछ लिया सीता किसका बाप था ?
पूरे हरियाणा को जब पता है , कुलदीप बिश्नोई जाटों का कट्टर दुश्मन है फिर भी आपको अब तक ये नहीं पता उसकी हार में ही जाटों की जीत है ।
जब पिछले चुनाव में सम्पत सिंह इनेलो से उम्मीदवार था तब वो बढ़िया आदमी ,चौटाला के कारण भजनलाल से हार गया और इस बार कांग्रेस से लड़ रहा है अब वो घटिया इंसान ।
पांच सालों में सम्पत सिंह के सींग उग आये क्या जो अब वो बढ़िया उम्मीदवार नहीं रहा ?
ये मत भूलो 2009 विधान सभा चुनाव में सम्पत सिंह ने ही भजनलाल परिवार के गढ़ नलवा हलके से जस्मा देवी को हराया था |
From where did Kuldeep Bishnoi and Sampat Singh came in this. By the way I know Sampat and Kuldeep both very well and I don't need to read newspaper to know Nalwa halka because I was born there !
vikrantchodhary
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The DAY when 'son of soil' Harish Rawat was made Chief Minister of Uttrakhand by replacing BRAHMIN Bahuguna I made my mind to Vote for CONGRESS.
Only RAHUL GANDHI is a person who can diminish clout of BRAHMINS over CONGRESS and restrict them and their non-hard-working MOTIVES.
Desh bachana se to Bahamanna ne thikane lya do bass............
Only RAHUL GANDHI is a person who can diminish clout of BRAHMINS over CONGRESS and restrict them and their non-hard-working MOTIVES.
Desh bachana se to Bahamanna ne thikane lya do bass............
By local issues,Desijat meant that the factors on which elections are contested in a constituency.From where did Kuldeep Bishnoi and Sampat Singh came in this. By the way I know Sampat and Kuldeep both very well and I don't need to read newspaper to know Nalwa halka because I was born there !
Everyone is aware that voting in Hisar and Bhiwani would be on caste basis . So Jat and non-Jat factor is a local issue in our constituency .
Modi is campaigning in whole India on the basis of Development,Corruption and Inflation but people in our constituencies won't caste their votes on these factors. They will just see the candidate and give their votes.
अड़है जाटां और गैर जाटां का लट्ठ बाज रह्या सै और आपने के लागे सै मोदी आवेगा और जाटां और गैर जाटां का समझौता करवावेगा ?
हरियाणा में भाजपा तो हजकां तै भी बेकार , आपने के लागे सै इब हरियाणा में मोदी फैक्टर चालेगा ।
जाटां की नज़रां मैं भाजपा और भी गिर गयी ।
prashantacmet
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भाई हमारे कुछ भाई जो कांग्रेस के लिए वोट माँग रहे हे उनके हिसाब से कांग्रेस ने आरक्षण देकर अहसान किया हे और जाट कभी अहसान फरामोश नही हो सकता. उन्होने तो आरक्षण मिलने से पहले ही कांग्रेस के गुणगान शुरू कर दिए थे.
तेरी सोच थोड़ी अलग हे. उनका मंत्र हे के सत्ता के साथ रहके ही क़ौम के काम करवाए जा सकते हे उसका विरोध करके नही. उनका मानना हे के छोटू राम जी की भी यही सोच थी. जैसे छोटू राम साब ने अँग्रेज़ों के साथ रहके क़ौम के लिए अपने काम निकलवाए
to bhi satta to NDA ki hi aane ke aasaar hai..fer congress ke paachhe laagge ka ke faayda sai...?
That was funny!!!!
You want to diminish the clout of Brahmins by voting for Rahul Gandhi and Rahul Gandhi says he is a brahmin.
You want to diminish the clout of Brahmins by voting for Rahul Gandhi and Rahul Gandhi says he is a brahmin.
The DAY when 'son of soil' Harish Rawat was made Chief Minister of Uttrakhand by replacing BRAHMIN Bahuguna I made my mind to Vote for CONGRESS.
Only RAHUL GANDHI is a person who can diminish clout of BRAHMINS over CONGRESS and restrict them and their non-hard-working MOTIVES.
Desh bachana se to Bahamanna ne thikane lya do bass............
You just saw the highway, railway line and flyover which in any case would have been laid/established by any other govt. in power. But you did not see the hundreds of crores that were made by the sarkari babus and the politicians in passing those tenders and contracts. If there would be no flyovers, highways etc, there would be no tenders and contracts through which these politicians would make money. So, these are their cash cows. The more the tenders and contracts the more the money for the politicians and sarkari babus.
It is open secret discussed in neighbourhood gossips that more than half of Gurgaon is owned benami by the Congress leaders and the Congress leaders have stake in major builders/developers.
You will vote for Congress today and tomorrow they will pass the draconian Communal Violence Bill which is their pet project (formulated by Madam herself through NAC) and which will target you, your family and the entire Hindu community. Then I will ask you whether you say that you are Just a Jat and not a Hindu. Because then you will be rewarded by being pronounced guilty on the basis of your faith (Hindu) and you cannot escape by saying that you are a Jat.
As I said earlier, if you still want to vote for the Congress and ignore the bleak and dangerous future under Madam and the grand old party, you can still vote for it. After all, you are fully entitled and free to do so.
It is open secret discussed in neighbourhood gossips that more than half of Gurgaon is owned benami by the Congress leaders and the Congress leaders have stake in major builders/developers.
You will vote for Congress today and tomorrow they will pass the draconian Communal Violence Bill which is their pet project (formulated by Madam herself through NAC) and which will target you, your family and the entire Hindu community. Then I will ask you whether you say that you are Just a Jat and not a Hindu. Because then you will be rewarded by being pronounced guilty on the basis of your faith (Hindu) and you cannot escape by saying that you are a Jat.
As I said earlier, if you still want to vote for the Congress and ignore the bleak and dangerous future under Madam and the grand old party, you can still vote for it. After all, you are fully entitled and free to do so.
मैडम मैडम करके अगर हुड्डा हरियाणा में कई कॉलेज और यूनिवर्सिटी खुलवा जाता है ,aiims खुलवा देता है ,iim स्टार्ट करवा देता है ,थर्मल पावर प्लांट चालू करवा देता है ,रेलवे लाइन बिछवा देता है और हाईवे और फ्लाईओवर बनवा देता है तो हमे क्या दिक्कत है ?
सबसे बड़ी बात ,मैडम मैडम करने से जाटों को आरक्षण मिल जाता है तो क्या दिक्कत है ?
चौटाला चाहे कितना भी बड़ा जाट नेता हो ,लेकिन उसने जाटों की शिक्षा के लिए कोई कदम नहीं उठाये ,न कोई ढंग सर का कॉलेज बनवाया न ही कोई रेल लाइन बिछवाई अपने कार्यकाल में । जाट आरक्षण पर तो कभी मुँह ही नहीं खोला ।
अनपढ़ जाट चौटाला के भक्त है , चौटाला कभी नहीं चाहता था कि जाट पढ़ लिख कर आगे बढ़े और समझदार बन जाये । उसे डर था कि अगर जाट शिक्षित हो गए तो वो उसे वोट नहीं देंगे । इसलिए जाटों कि शिक्षा के लिए कोई ठोस कदम नहीं उठाये ।
अब भाई तू मुस्लमान की बात करता है , तेरे चौटाला ने ही गुडगाँव लोक सभा सीट से मुस्लमान उम्मीदवार को टिकट दी है । पूरे हरियाणा में इनेलो ने ही एक मात्र मुस्लमान उम्मीदवार उतारा है मैदान में ।
मुझे आश्चार्य तो इस बात का है ,भिवानी महेन्द्रगढ़ से इसने हरियाणा में जाटों के कट्टर दुश्मन अहीर (यादव) को टिकट दी । अब किस मुंह से चौटाला का समर्थन किया जाये ?
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Don't you know the difference between MLA and MP ??
Ghanna gyaan mat na dhole ... aade sab gyaani hain!
Ghanna gyaan mat na dhole ... aade sab gyaani hain!
Indian democracy does NOT vote for PM but local candidate
Jab sadake tuti hongi ya paani nahi ayega to PM Ke pass jaoge ya apne local candidate ke pass? Jab Jat samaj ko koi shoshit karega to JAt MP ke pass jaoge ya non-jat PM ke pass?
vikrantchodhary
New member
Thing is not funny as you assume.
PANDAT kehne se aur asli main hone main bohot farak hain. He is not BRAHMIN by blood. Its blood what matters.
Agar Rahul Gandhi weak ho gaya aur pher se koi Narasimha Rao jaisa PM ban gaya toh voh din door nahin jab BHAJAN LAL ki paidaish paltan Haryana main CM ban ja.
Weaking of Gandhi guy is directly proportional to giving Congress hold to a BRAHMIN. Born BRAHMIN. Ye hi to aaj ki media chahti hai...........
PANDAT kehne se aur asli main hone main bohot farak hain. He is not BRAHMIN by blood. Its blood what matters.
Agar Rahul Gandhi weak ho gaya aur pher se koi Narasimha Rao jaisa PM ban gaya toh voh din door nahin jab BHAJAN LAL ki paidaish paltan Haryana main CM ban ja.
Weaking of Gandhi guy is directly proportional to giving Congress hold to a BRAHMIN. Born BRAHMIN. Ye hi to aaj ki media chahti hai...........
That was funny!!!!
You want to diminish the clout of Brahmins by voting for Rahul Gandhi and Rahul Gandhi says he is a brahmin.
Again a very amusing reply.
Please rethink. Rahul is not brahmin by blood??????????
Have you heard the name of Pandit Jawahar Lal Nehru? If you would have heard, you would not have made the statement that Rahul is not a brahmin by blood.
Please rethink. Rahul is not brahmin by blood??????????
Have you heard the name of Pandit Jawahar Lal Nehru? If you would have heard, you would not have made the statement that Rahul is not a brahmin by blood.
Thing is not funny as you assume.
PANDAT kehne se aur asli main hone main bohot farak hain. He is not BRAHMIN by blood. Its blood what matters.
Agar Rahul Gandhi weak ho gaya aur pher se koi Narasimha Rao jaisa PM ban gaya toh voh din door nahin jab BHAJAN LAL ki paidaish paltan Haryana main CM ban ja.
Weaking of Gandhi guy is directly proportional to giving Congress hold to a BRAHMIN. Born BRAHMIN. Ye hi to aaj ki media chahti hai...........
Were not the BJP supporters questioning the origins of Rahul Gandhi with a weird family chart of Feroze and Indira a while ago?? I believe Subryamaniyan Swamy can answer this question best with his conspiracies.
Again a very amusing reply.
Please rethink. Rahul is not brahmin by blood??????????
Have you heard the name of Pandit Jawahar Lal Nehru? If you would have heard, you would not have made the statement that Rahul is not a brahmin by blood.
I hope people will rise above factions and caste this time especially the one who are qualified (Education is different than qualification) to vote. Please find out yourself if you are voting to right person and make our democracy stronger. Hope we will cut the bond of money and election this time.
http://www.adrindia.org/
I believe all Jats does NOT need reservation and it should be specific to the needy ones. I am personally against any reservation where risk to human life involves especially a profession like Doctor, hope most understands why.
http://www.adrindia.org/
I believe all Jats does NOT need reservation and it should be specific to the needy ones. I am personally against any reservation where risk to human life involves especially a profession like Doctor, hope most understands why.
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Lekin ye Ekta aayegi kahan se? Yahan par 10-20 logo mei hi Ekta nahi hai to crore Jaaton mei kaise hogi? Koi apna BJP ka agenda chala raha hai to koi Congress ka. To bhai ye ek party ki taraf log to nahi ho sakte. Democracy hai. Koi kuch chahta hai to koi kuch. Sabke apne vichar aur iccha hai. Isme ek jaise vichar sabhi ke hona mere hisab se namunkin hai. Infact Jat majority bhi ek side hona aasan nahi hai.
Lekin ye Ekta aayegi kahan se? Yahan par 10-20 logo mei hi Ekta nahi hai to crore Jaaton mei kaise hogi? Koi apna BJP ka agenda chala raha hai to koi Congress ka. To bhai ye ek party ki taraf log to nahi ho sakte. Democracy hai. Koi kuch chahta hai to koi kuch. Sabke apne vichar aur iccha hai. Isme ek jaise vichar sabhi ke hona mere hisab se namunkin hai. Infact Jat majority bhi ek side hona aasan nahi hai.
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samarkadian
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Lekin ye Ekta aayegi kahan se? Yahan par 10-20 logo mei hi Ekta nahi hai to crore Jaaton mei kaise hogi? Koi apna BJP ka agenda chala raha hai to koi Congress ka. To bhai ye ek party ki taraf log to nahi ho sakte. Democracy hai. Koi kuch chahta hai to koi kuch. Sabke apne vichar aur iccha hai. Isme ek jaise vichar sabhi ke hona mere hisab se namunkin hai. Infact Jat majority bhi ek side hona aasan nahi hai.
Atish,
Situation is same in Haryana as it was about reservation. Non-Jat plus Jats will/can vote for a Non-Jat but hardly Non Jats would vote for a Jat. Jats would be ready to vote based on Non-Caste issue provided remaining all castes do the same but its impossible on practical grounds. Why shall we vote for a candidate where our representation would be weak at top.? Its a lose lose situation. With no other option than Hooda, why shall we dilute our votes ?
samarkadian
Active member
I hope people will rise above factions and caste this time especially the one who are qualified (Education is different than qualification) to vote. Please find out yourself if you are voting to right person and make our democracy stronger. Hope we will cut the bond of money and election this time.
http://www.adrindia.org/
I believe all Jats does NOT need reservation and it should be specific to the needy ones. I am personally against any reservation where risk to human life involves especially a profession like Doctor, hope most understands why.
That kind of hope can only leave you hopeless Mann Sahab. I think a right person for jats could only be a jat who is not an anti-jat in terms of policies and future benefits.
Do you have any proof where OBC reservation benefited doctor killed a patient? Its amazing you don't worry when a Jat is soldier at borders and deal with bullets but you are worried when a jat is going to operate in hospital.
Samar,That kind of hope can only leave you hopeless Mann Sahab. I think a right person for jats could only be a jat who is not an anti-jat in terms of policies and future benefits.
Do you have any proof where OBC reservation benefited doctor killed a patient? Its amazing you don't worry when a Jat is soldier at borders and deal with bullets but you are worried when a jat is going to operate in hospital.
How you evaluate Rohtak seat now? Since both the candidates are jats(bjp,congress), who you think is the best of two(profile wise)?
drrajpalsingh
New member
Atish,
................... With no other option than Hooda, why shall we dilute our votes ?
No man is island in oneself !