प्रवीण तोगडिय़ा भारतीय समाज......

[drrajpalsingh]

According to you were Guru Nanak and Shaheed Bhagat Singh Indians or Pakistani???

Wow.....What a funny question !

When they took birth was there any country on the globe known as Pakistan !

The answer is NO.

Therefore, not only according to me but also according to everyone, they were Indians born in India in 1469 AD and in 1907 AD respectively !

 

[abhikrana]

Sir, with due respect, that's what I would try to highlight when Upender was told that Lord Buddha was born in Nepal and not Bihar.

Were Nepal and Bihar existent then?

What a funny question indeed !

When they took birth was there any country known as Pakistan !

The answer is NO.

Therefore, they were Indians !

 

[drrajpalsingh]

Sir, with due respect, that's what I would try to highlight when Upender was told that Lord Buddha was born in Nepal and not Bihar.

Were Nepal and Bihar existent then?

Yes, they were there then and now also exist at the same place.

Further, let him speak for himself please !

I think we must better return back to the thread topic insstead of testing geography knowledge of participants !

 

[abhikrana]

Sir, there was no Bihar and no Nepal then. Only a piece of land with the political boundaries and names very different from what they are today.

As advised by you, I rest my case.

Yes, they were there then and now also exist at the same place.

Further, let him speak for himself please !

 

[drrajpalsingh]

Sir, there was no Bihar and no Nepal then. Only a piece of land with the political boundaries and names very different from what they are today.

As advised by you, I rest my case.

Friend,

I have already taken leave from never ending discussion on a non issue.

Kindly make this fact known to Shri Upender Singh Ji, who thinks as under :.

................ बौद्ध धर्म को मानने पर बिहार में जन्मे गौतम बुद्ध की मानसिक गुलामी करने का अहसास होता है, ........

 

[abhikrana]

Sir, you find it funny when a question is asked as to whether Guru Nanak and Bhagat Singh were Indians or Pakistanis because according to you and rightly so Pakistan did not exist then.

But in the same breath you are correcting Upender that Gautam Budh was born in Nepal and not in Bihar. Neither did Nepal nor did Bihar exist then as we know them to be today.

I see a big contradiction in what you say. The least I expected from you as our elder was to accept the contradiction in what you stated and would have corrected yourself. There is nothing wrong in correcting oneself.

Friend,

I have already taken leave from never ending discussion on a non issue.

Kindly make this fact known to Shri Upender Singh Ji, who thinks as under :.

Wow.....What a funny question !

When they took birth was there any country on the globe known as Pakistan !

The answer is NO.

Therefore, not only according to me but also according to everyone, they were Indians born in India in 1469 AD and in 1907 AD respectively !

 

[drrajpalsingh]

Sir, you find it funny when a question is asked as to whether Guru Nanak and Bhagat Singh were Indians or Pakistanis because according to you and rightly so Pakistan did not exist then.

But in the same breath you are correcting Upender that Gautam Budh was born in Nepal and not in Bihar. Neither did Nepal nor did Bihar exist then as we know them to be today.

I see a big contradiction in what you say. The least I expected from you as our elder was to accept the contradiction in what you stated and would have corrected yourself. There is nothing wrong in correcting oneself.

Final reply :

Taken together all the three : Buddha, Guru Nanak and Bhagat Singh : as Indians by birth as they were and you also admit this fact, then there remains no scope for any supposed contradiction; that is why I had requested you to tell your friend on whose behalf you continue to drag me back time and again in discussion on a closed issue that your friend must feel at ease that Buddha was not born in Bihar. For his uneasiness, read

Originally Posted by upendersingh................ बौद्ध धर्म को मानने पर बिहार में जन्मे गौतम बुद्ध की मानसिक गुलामी करने का अहसास होता है, ........

 

[raka]

1911 की जनगणना में दलितों को गैर हिन्दू वर्ग माना गया था. दलित हिन्दू नहीं हैं, सिर्फ एक सेवक श्रेणी के रूप में उन्हें हिन्दू व्यवस्थामें रखा गया है. 1911 की जनगणना में अछूतों की गणना बाकी लोगों से अलग करने के लिए निम्नलिखित दस मानदंड अपनाये गये थे, जिसके आधार पर उन जातियों और कबीलों की अलग अलग गणना की गई -
1. ब्राह्मणों की श्रेष्ठता को नहीं मानते
2. किसी ब्राह्मण या अन्य मान्यता प्राप्त हिन्दू से गुरुदीक्षा नहीं लेते
3. वेदों की सत्ता को नहीं मानते
4. बड़े बड़े हिन्दू देवी देवताओं की पूजा नहीं करते
5. ब्राह्मण जिनकी यजमानी नहीं करते
6. जो किसी ब्राह्मण को पुरोहित बिल्कुल भी नहीं बनाते
7. जो साधारण हिन्दू मंदिरों के गर्भगृह में भी प्रवेश नहीं कर सकते
8.जिनसे छूत लगती है
9.जो अपने मुर्दों को दफनाते हैं
10.जो गोमांस खाते हैं और गाय की पूजा नहीं करतेबाद में अनुसूचित जातियों का निर्धारण करते समय भी इन्ही मानदंडों को आधार बनाया गया. अतः 'हिन्दू कौन है' इसकी सकारात्मक व्याख्या करते हुए अनुसूचित जातियों को हिन्दू की श्रेणी से बाहर किया जाना चाहिए।

 

[prashantacmet]

As Vedic dharm/culture is considered a part of Hinduism today. So definitely it is one of the oldest "dharm"in the world and older than Budhism. There may be issues about the word Hindu and its origin.

As far as Budhism is concerned, definitely it was religion of our ancestors once. I believe Buddha is/was the greatest soul even born on earth.

 

[drrajpalsingh]

As Vedic dharm/culture is considered a part of Hinduism today. So definitely it is one of the oldest "dharm"in the world and older than Budhism. There may be issues about the word Hindu and its origin.

As far as Budhism is concerned, definitely it was religion of our ancestors once. I believe Buddha is/was the greatest soul even born on earth.

You seem to be right.

Perhaps the link will help in further clearing the mist on the issue :http://www.jatland.com/forums/showt...derstand-what-Religion-is&p=373274#post373274