Jat Scythian Identity

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Proof of "Jats as Scythians", can be seen from their clan name.

One such clan name is "Bana", which in hindi/sanskrit means "Arrow".

This also means these people were connect with archery and marksmanship.
 
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maddhan1979 said:
Is there any more proof of these ancient people using archery in their lives?
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Dear Sir,

All prominent historians, scholars and lovers are busy in a very serious discussion on JL. Please engage in a discussion on those threads and give your opinion there. As youa re quite interested in Jat history so may be your contribution can resolve some puzzles. Please check thread like "study of inscriptions"
 
thanks, i will have to spend time on this issue as and when i have time for it. Till then i hope other people are going to do good contribution.
 
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There is a Jat gotra called "Kundu", and "Kund" means a pond. Most ancient Scythians were nomadic people and used to connect with water sources to feed their livestock. This is one connection to Scythian identity besides the linguistic identity, in Indian diaspora there has been lot of wars and movement of people, therefore leaving some communities, it is hard might be hard to connect Sycthian identity based on skin color, facial features, etc., although some communities have been able to maintain their identity since ancient times. Wars also mean loss of families, women, children etc., therefore it is hard to say true identity based on physical evidence, more solid evidence for warring communities has been the family names and other living connections, which were passed on through generations via language.
 
Indian subcontinent tribe

It seems that while Jats and similar tribes have an earlier ethno lingusitic tribal migration into Indian subcontinent but there have been several waves of inward and outward migration into and from Indian subcontinent.

The later stages of migrations include migrations of people displaced due to wars, religion problems, etc.

Therefore it is possible that lot of family names found throughout the world of Indian subcontinent might be due to several reasons, some relating to root elements, while others to later stages of migration.
 
maddhan1979 said:
It seems that while Jats and similar tribes have an earlier ethno lingusitic tribal migration into Indian subcontinent but there have been several waves of inward and outward migration into and from Indian subcontinent.

The later stages of migrations include migrations of people displaced due to wars, religion problems, etc.

Therefore it is possible that lot of family names found throughout the world of Indian subcontinent might be due to several reasons, some relating to root elements, while others to later stages of migration.
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The root and recognition of their original IndoEuropean roots is present in the language spoken by these people which is similar to root words in most of the European languages. Which tells us that these people are the original group of migrants which started their journey to different places across the world when IndoEuropean people spread from their place of origin.
 
maddhan1979 said:
What kind of life would Scythian's led?
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It has been said by historians in ancient texts that Scythian women were also warriors. Which in ancient lifestyle meant dispersement of Scythian diaspora. Were there any major invasions into India by Scythians at any given point of time in history? Ancient wars also meant dispersement of these warriors over a large area because of their ability to ride horses. Women warriors+ horse riding ability in ancient warfare also meant more chances of more women surviving ancient wars. More women surviving ancient wars also meant more women establishing their own communes with non Scythian men, as most men could/would have been killed in wars. It is also possible that in a society which were continuously one the move on the horses there would have been less men and more women.
 
After Mahabharata War the ratio of man to woman population had gone down due to large number of warriors were killed in the Great War. Where did these women go then ? Jats had no faith in widow marriage also.
 
Archaeologically and scientifically Scythian culture was more or less connected with culture of "Mir" or "Meer" written spelling differentiation based on linguistic differences but end spoken word being the same, as Scythian culture was spread across the globe and did not follow one linguistic or cultural identity. This culture of "Mir" or "Meer", was located around water bodies.

There is a family name called "Mirdha", and the word "Mir" or "Meer" can be clearly seen.
 
It is interesting to see, how people would have recognized themselves in ancient times. India had lot of different kingdoms and different tribes and people migrating from one place to another. If a new tribe or people or person came to a new place/people/city, the new person/tribe/people will be asked "where do u come from?", a person coming from a lake(in ancient times lakes, rivers, etc. were major places for people travelling with animals) would say 'i come from a lake', so the person/tribe/ people will be recognized by 'Lake identity'. As the kingdoms and civilizations in ancient times were spread widely at vast distances, such migration place/object of nature, recognition would have been major identity of the tribes and people.

While "Meer" or "Mir" both the words are spelled same although written differently, in Indoeuropean sense this word means a lake/ sea. This word "Mir" or "Meer" is an indoeuropean word which shows direct connection to ancient migrations.
 
maddhan1979 said:
It is interesting to see, how people would have recognized themselves in ancient times. India had lot of different kingdoms and different tribes and people migrating from one place to another. If a new tribe or people or person came to a new place/people/city, the new person/tribe/people will be asked "where do u come from?", a person coming from a lake(in ancient times lakes, rivers, etc. were major places for people travelling with animals) would say 'i come from a lake', so the person/tribe/ people will be recognized by 'Lake identity'. As the kingdoms and civilizations in ancient times were spread widely at vast distances, such migration place/object of nature, recognition would have been major identity of the tribes and people.

While "Meer" or "Mir" both the words are spelled same although written differently, in Indoeuropean sense this word means a lake/ sea. This word "Mir" or "Meer" is an indoeuropean word which shows direct connection to ancient migrations.
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While "Meer" is written in European languages, "Mir" is connected with Eurasian subcontinent. While both word are spelled almost in the same way, basic differentiation being the difference in the languages. It is very much probable that, this word is directly connected to some proto indo european root word or might be a root word itself. This word also shows has another form "Aamir", which means a rich person, while the word "Aamir", which has two "aa" in it. It is possible that "Mir" in historical migration sense could also mean people who are not rich. This might show the migration view of people who come from "Meer".
This could also mean that "Jats" in historical sense have not been rich people.
 
maddhan1979 said:
Archaeologically and scientifically Scythian culture was more or less connected with culture of "Mir" or "Meer" written spelling differentiation based on linguistic differences but end spoken word being the same, as Scythian culture was spread across the globe and did not follow one linguistic or cultural identity. This culture of "Mir" or "Meer", was located around water bodies.

There is a family name called "Mirdha", and the word "Mir" or "Meer" can be clearly seen.
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http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/scythians_sacae.php

There is a map shown on this web page, which shows "Dahae" as one of the tribe near "Aral sea" and then there is space between "Aral sea" and "Caspian sea". Is it possible that "Mir" or "Meer" be this same water body that is in the family name "Mirdha"?
 
Totanism could also be seen in the form of trade, food that people eat,etc. This difference could have been in the form of those who ate bread and those who ate rice.

Aatta or flour was a staple food for many tribes which roamed ancient central Asia while those Indo European tribes which were living deep inside Mongolia and China could have been rice eaters. It is possible root words related with food could have carried forward with these tribes, as food in ancient trades was used in Barter system of trade.




Diets could also have changed with time as the original IndoEuropean tribes were inhibiting deep Monglolia, deep China, Siberia, etc. while their west ward migration towards central Asia could have been later phase of migration

Same is the case with languages Turkic languages were spoken over a vast area by many tribes, so Turkic languages in ancient past were a "family of languages" and not a single language as seen now. So, were the tribes speaking these "family of languages".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_languages

There is still not much information about all the languages spoken in central Asia, an example seems to be of that of "Scythians", it seems they had their own language.
 
It will be interesting as well as useful for Jat History to know about Scythian Language. Somebody should through light on this subject. Scythian Language must be core of the Jat Languages.
 
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