मुज़फ्फरनगर का दंगा जाट आतंकवाद ? समाजवादी &#23

First of all, good regards to u Roopendraji,
well, I want to say that I'm not aware of the population figures of western UP, but know very well, that some what same figures existed about a 20-30 years hence, and people were not as hostile as they are today.
During the rein of leaders like Sh. Charan Singhji, people used to live peacefully, despite all their hardships, because leaders like him commanded respect of all the communities, again because, people believed that, they didn't have any hidden agenda, other than welfare of the people.
But, yes, I believe that we must remain united, to fight the inside enemy, 'hatred', instead of the projected menace of religious enmity.
WE must unite on human and welfare needs, and not on religious grounds.
U say that, muslims vote en masse, do we need to do the same, without thinking whether its right?
We hear a lot that, some muslim leader crying that they have been cheated all the while!!
Are they, in better condition than other communities, by voting en masse?
A straight no, from me, because despite their unity, they failed to bargain for their real needs. So, learning from their mistakes, while remaining united, we must bargain for a better deal, while considering our allegiance to any political group.
In addition to this, I also want to say, in the same vein, that we ourselves can make a group and thus become a force to reckon with! we don't have to look towards others, but, surely not on religious grounds.
yes, being united is a good thing, but for the betterment of society as a whole.
Because, we must remain alert that no one should dare to contaminate, the place where we are destined to spend our entire lives!
What I mean is, we must know about the blacksheep that every society have, and tell them to behave, or else we'll not spare them!!
Meanwhile, an advice from a brother, Jats do not need sympathies, they've the power to change their destiny, if required!!
Think calmly, act wisely, and hope for the best! After all, every one has his/her share of hard luck and good luck!!
Once again, good regards to u buddy!!
 
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rajbhasker said:
First of all, good regards to u Roopenraji,
well, I want to say that I'm not aware of the population figures of western UP, but know very well, that some what same figures existed about a 20-30 years hence, and people were not as hostile as they are today.
During the rein of leaders like Sh. Charan Singhji, people used to live peacefully, despite all their hardships, because leaders like him commanded respect of all the communities, again because, people believed that, they didn't have any hidden agenda, other than welfare of the people.
But, yes, I believe that we must remain united, to fight the inside enemy, 'hatred', instead of the projected menace of religious enmity.
WE must unite on human and welfare needs, and not on religious grounds.
U say that, muslims vote en masse, do we need to do the same, without thinking whether its right?
We hear a lot that, some muslim leader crying that they have been cheated all the while!!
Are they, in better condition than other communities, by voting en masse?
A straight no, from me, because despite their unity, they failed to bargain for their real needs. So, learning from their mistakes, while remaining united, we must bargain for a better deal, while considering our allegiance to any political group.
In addition to this, I also want to say, in the same vein, that we ourselves can make a group and thus become a force to reckon with! we don't have to look towards others, but, surely not on religious grounds.
yes, being united is a good thing, but for the betterment of society as a whole.
Because, we must remain alert that no one should dare to contaminate, the place where we are destined to spend our entire lives!
What I mean is, we must know about the blacksheep that every society have, and tell them to behave, or else we'll not spare them!!
Once again, good regards to u buddy!!
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I would have agreed to you on this, but what had happened there is not tolerable at all. The girl's family had been to the police and no action was taken, blaming BJP for is this foolish altogether. There is a big difference between initiating a fight or self defense. I don't see much people condemn SP, Kngress, BSP for it. Roits are never justified, but it was SP who is responsible for it. Now it this roit is termed as Jat terrorism a new term. Forget about roit time, what post roit? Is both the communities treated the same way? Ahimsa ye nhi shikati ki abhi ma behan ke sath galat hote dekho aur SP/Kngress/BSP sarkar ka wait karo ki wo appeasement se bahar ayenge aur insaaf milega. Bhai again am saying mhare ghar ya ristedari me koi BJP ka kona, but other parties has no option for me. Baaki padhe likhe samaj ke thekedaro ke pass hamesha unko support karne ya bachane ke points hote hai.....
 
Silent War is going on in Muzaffarnagar District

मुजफ्फरनगर से लापता दो युवकों की हत्या
19 नवंबर को सैन्य भर्ती की मेरिट देखने गए थे मेरठ
पीनना रजवाहे में मिलीं लाशें, गोली मारकर की गई हत्या
अमर उजाला ब्यूरो

मुजफ्फरनगर। शिवचौक से लापता हुए युवकों की हत्या कर दी गई। इन दोनों युवकों की लाशें पीनना रजवाहे से मिलीं हैं। ये दोनों युवक 19 नवंबर को सेना भर्ती की मेरिट लिस्ट देखने मेरठ गए थे। वहां से लौटते वक्त दोनों शिवचौक से लापता हो गए थे। अभी वारदात के कारणों का खुलासा नहीं हो पाया है।

शामली जिले के बाबरी थाना क्षेत्र के गांव गोगवान जलालपुर निवासी विजय उर्फ बिट्टू (20) और विशाल उर्फ छोटा (21) सैन्य भर्ती की मेरिट देखने 19 नवंबर को मेरठ गए थे। उसी दिन लौटते समय रात में 8.30 बजे दोनों बस से शहर के शिवचौक पर उतरे, जहां से संदिग्ध हालात में दोनों लापता हो गए। परिजनों ने 20 नवंबर को शहर कोतवाली में उनकी गुमशुदगी दर्ज कराई। रविवार सुबह गांव पीनना के प्रधान रामधन ने शहर कोतवाली पुलिस को गांव के रजवाहे में दो युवकों की लाशें पड़ी होने की सूचना दी। इनकी शिनाख्त गोगवान जलालपुर निवासी लापता विकास और विजय के रूप में हुई। दोनों की हत्या गोली मारकर की गई है। एसएसपी एचएन सिंह, एसपी सिटी श्रवण कुमार और सीओ सिटी संजीव वाजपेयी ने कोतवाली पुलिस से घटना की जानकारी ली। शक के आधार पर पुलिस ने तीन युवकों को पूछताछ के लिए हिरासत में लिया है। पीनना प्रधान रामधन की तहरीर पर अज्ञात बदमाशों के खिलाफ रिपोर्ट दर्ज की गई है।
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Prikshit said:
I would have agreed to you on this, but what had happened there is not tolerable at all. The girl's family had been to the police and no action was taken, blaming BJP for is this foolish altogether. There is a big difference between initiating a fight or self defense. I don't see much people condemn SP, Kngress, BSP for it. Roits are never justified, but it was SP who is responsible for it. Now it this roit is termed as Jat terrorism a new term. Forget about roit time, what post roit? Is both the communities treated the same way? Ahimsa ye nhi shikati ki abhi ma behan ke sath galat hote dekho aur SP/Kngress/BSP sarkar ka wait karo ki wo appeasement se bahar ayenge aur insaaf milega. Bhai again am saying mhare ghar ya ristedari me koi BJP ka kona, but other parties has no option for me. Baaki padhe likhe samaj ke thekedaro ke pass hamesha unko support karne ya bachane ke points hote hai.....
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Well! Prikshitji, at no point of time, I supported SP, Congress or BSP.
Istead, I've blamed the SP govt. at state level, for total failure in this matter.
And I even go the extent to say, that SP govt. as it looks, have acted anti Jats, for obvious reasons.
For the same reason, post riot actions of the govt. couldn't be expected to be different!
Jahan tak ahinsa ki baat hai, to jara batayenge, agar ye incident, community k bhitar hi hoti to kya itni badhati?
Kya aisi ghatanayen aur kahin nahin hoti?
Rojana hoti hain.
Hazaron hoti hain.
Jahan tak wait karne ka sawal hai, to sochiye ki halat k liye hamare khud k leaders jimewar hain!!
Jinhen samaj k welfare k liye mandate mila wo samaj virodhi powers k hathon mein khele!!
Aur aaj bhi khel rahe hain!
samman pa rahe hain. Kiske hathon?
Aur kin uplabdhiyon k liye?
I'll not say that, the incident was a creation of BJP, but then they had their chance!
We aren't going to gain anything, by blaming the, SP, congress or BSP or any political outfit for that matter, but by asking our own leaders to behave wisely!!
Jahan tak kisi ko bachane k theke ki baat hai, to shriman, thekedar hote to aapas mein is tarah bahas karne ka waqt kahan hota?!! Ya to vote jama kar rahe hote ya phir note!!
Jo asal samaj k thekedar hain unhone to apana kaam kar k dikha hi diya hai?!!
 
rajbhasker said:
Well! Prikshitji, at no point of time, I supported SP, Congress or BSP.
Istead, I've blamed the SP govt. at state level, for total failure in this matter.
And I even go the extent to say, that SP govt. as it looks, have acted anti Jats, for obvious reasons.
For the same reason, post riot actions of the govt. couldn't be expected to be different!
Jahan tak ahinsa ki baat hai, to jara batayenge, agar ye incident, community k bhitar hi hoti to kya itni badhati?
Kya aisi ghatanayen aur kahin nahin hoti?
Rojana hoti hain.
Hazaron hoti hain.
Jahan tak wait karne ka sawal hai, to sochiye ki halat k liye hamare khud k leaders jimewar hain!!
Jinhen samaj k welfare k liye mandate mila wo samaj virodhi powers k hathon mein khele!!
Aur aaj bhi khel rahe hain!
samman pa rahe hain. Kiske hathon?
Aur kin uplabdhiyon k liye?
I'll not say that, the incident was a creation of BJP, but then they had their chance!
We aren't going to gain anything, by blaming the, SP, congress or BSP or any political outfit for that matter, but by asking our own leaders to behave wisely!!
Jahan tak kisi ko bachane k theke ki baat hai, to shriman, thekedar hote to aapas mein is tarah bahas karne ka waqt kahan hota?!! Ya to vote jama kar rahe hote ya phir note!!
Jo asal samaj k thekedar hain unhone to apana kaam kar k dikha hi diya hai?!!
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I was not pointing to you, it was a statement in general. Point here is why the incident happened? I guess the panchayat was hold and while people were coming back they were attacked and killed brutally. I hope you agree to me on this, that writing comments here, and experiencing such incidents are 2 things. I would be happy to agree with you on this, but pls answer my question what could have been best done in current scenario. Heights of muslim appeasement is going on, what options we are left with? Ideal behaviour,How could you expect it these days?
Ghatnaye har jagah hoti hai bhavnaye har jagah nhi hoti, I don't see any member here would have tolerated all that? Police is not supporting, govt is against you, what other options are with them? Pls let me know, I may change up my mind provided I get a sensible justification to this.
 
Sahi baat hai Ghatane har jagah hoti hai chedchad har jagah hoti hai par logo par goliya kyunki wo jaat hai ye jaankar har jagah nahi chalai jaati.

Aur ladai ki suruat to muslimo nai hai ki thi 30 August ko panvhayat karka aur anti-jat or anti-hindu bhavanya bhadaka kai.

Par jab bhi unke log marne lagte hai to humare desh kai secular aur pade likhe logo ko secularism yaad aaata hai.

Logo ko Godhra kaand dekhiya nahi deta par after godhra kaand kya hua dikhiya deta hai.

Humare desh ki media ko bhi jo kuch jolly nehar mai hua wo dekhai aur sonia bhi nahi deta par muzzafrnagar kai rahat sivaro kai logo ki kahanai barbar soniya deti hai without any proof kai usme sachai kitni hai.
 
piush_tomar said:
मुजफ्फरनगर से लापता दो युवकों की हत्या
19 नवंबर को सैन्य भर्ती की मेरिट देखने गए थे मेरठ
पीनना रजवाहे में मिलीं लाशें, गोली मारकर की गई हत्या
अमर उजाला ब्यूरो

मुजफ्फरनगर। शिवचौक से लापता हुए युवकों की हत्या कर दी गई। इन दोनों युवकों की लाशें पीनना रजवाहे से मिलीं हैं। ये दोनों युवक 19 नवंबर को सेना भर्ती की मेरिट लिस्ट देखने मेरठ गए थे। वहां से लौटते वक्त दोनों शिवचौक से लापता हो गए थे। अभी वारदात के कारणों का खुलासा नहीं हो पाया है।

शामली जिले के बाबरी थाना क्षेत्र के गांव गोगवान जलालपुर निवासी विजय उर्फ बिट्टू (20) और विशाल उर्फ छोटा (21) सैन्य भर्ती की मेरिट देखने 19 नवंबर को मेरठ गए थे। उसी दिन लौटते समय रात में 8.30 बजे दोनों बस से शहर के शिवचौक पर उतरे, जहां से संदिग्ध हालात में दोनों लापता हो गए। परिजनों ने 20 नवंबर को शहर कोतवाली में उनकी गुमशुदगी दर्ज कराई। रविवार सुबह गांव पीनना के प्रधान रामधन ने शहर कोतवाली पुलिस को गांव के रजवाहे में दो युवकों की लाशें पड़ी होने की सूचना दी। इनकी शिनाख्त गोगवान जलालपुर निवासी लापता विकास और विजय के रूप में हुई। दोनों की हत्या गोली मारकर की गई है। एसएसपी एचएन सिंह, एसपी सिटी श्रवण कुमार और सीओ सिटी संजीव वाजपेयी ने कोतवाली पुलिस से घटना की जानकारी ली। शक के आधार पर पुलिस ने तीन युवकों को पूछताछ के लिए हिरासत में लिया है। पीनना प्रधान रामधन की तहरीर पर अज्ञात बदमाशों के खिलाफ रिपोर्ट दर्ज की गई है।
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रकम डकारने के लिए किया कत्ल
•अमर उजाला ब्यूरो
मुजफ्फरनगर। शिवचौक से लापता हुए शामली जिले के दो युवकों की हत्या नौकरी का झांसा देकर लिए गए डेढ़ लाख रुपये हड़पने के लिए की गई थी। पुलिस ने एक आरोपी को गिरफ्तार कर दोहरे हत्याकांड का खुलासा कर दिया। तीन अन्य आरोपी फरार हैं, जिनकी तलाश की जा रही है।
बाबरी थाना क्षेत्र के गांव गोगवान जलालपुर निवासी विशाल उर्फ विक्की और विजय उर्फ बिट्टू 19 नवंबर को मेरठ से लौटते समय शिवचौक से लापता हो गए थे। 24 नवंबर को पीनना राजवाहे से दोनों युवकों की लाशें बरामद हुई थीं। पुलिस ने मृतकों के मोबाइल की कॉल डिटेल के आधार पर उनके गांव के ही सुनील उर्फ सोनू पुत्र जयप्रकाश को हिरासत में लिया था, जिसने पूछताछ में हत्याकांड से पर्दा उठा दिया। इंस्पेक्टर सत्यपाल सिंह ने बताया कि गांव गोगवान जलालपुर निवासी बबली पुत्र कीरतू ने सेना में भर्ती कराने का झांसा देकर विशाल से डेढ़ लाख रुपये लिए थे।
19 नवंबर को विशाल गांव के ही विजय के साथ मेरिट देखने मेरठ गया, जहां उसका नाम सूची में नहीं था। इस पर विशाल ने बबली को फोन पर धमकाते हुए रुपये मांगे, जिसे लेकर दोनों के बीच कहासुनी हो गई थी। बबली ने रुपये नहीं लौटाने को लेकर विशाल की हत्या की साजिश रची और गांव निवासी सुनील उर्फ सोनू को अपने साथ लिया। इसके बाद सोनू ने एक अन्य साथी के साथ 19 नवंबर को मेरठ से लौटते विशाल को फोन किया और मुजफ्फरनगर पहुंचने पर उसके साथ ही विजय को भी शिवचौक पर रोक लिया। यहां से देर रात सोनू उन्हें लेकर पैदल ही पीनना बाईपास पहुंचा, जहां पीछे से कार में आए बबली और उसके दो अन्य साथी उन्हें मिल गए। वहां एक बार फिर विशाल और बबली की नोकझोंक हो गई, जिसके बाद गोलियां मारकर विशाल के साथ विजय को भी मौत के घाट उतार दिया गया। इसके बाद सोनू वापस शहर लौट आया, जबकि बबली साथियों समेत फरार हो गया।
मंगलवार को पुलिस ने एसएसआई प्रमोद पंवार के नेतृत्व में बबली की तलाश में सोनू को साथ लेकर पानीपत में दबिश दी, लेकिन वह हत्थे नहीं चढ़ा।
विशाल था निशाना, विजय भी शिकार
बबली और सोनू का निशाना केवल विशाल उर्फ विक्की था। मेरठ से लौटते समय विजय भी विशाल के साथ था, जिसके चलते शिवचौक पर मिले सोनू ने उसे भी साथ ले लिया। पीनना बाईपास पर वारदात करते हुए आरोपियों ने पहले विशाल को ही गोली मारी, जो उसके कंधे में लगी। इस पर विशाल के साथ विजय भी वहां से भागने लगा, जिस पर पहले विशाल और फिर सुबूत मिटाने के लिए विजय को भी पीछे से गोलियां बरसाकर मौत के घाट उतार दिया गया।
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mujaffarnagar danga karne walo ko bjp nie abi picche purasakar se samannit kiya................ise sharamnaak aur ghatiya baat koi ni ho sakti......................

communal bjp................
 
Paid media is creating the anti-Jat environment. What is need of showing such videos which have access to whole world? If paid media is doing so, then why don't they show Jolly canal like reports. Why don't they show Jat girls molestation by the Muslims? Why don't they show vandalizing of temples, Hindu gods images by the Muslims.

[video]http://khabar.ibnlive.in.com/news/113017/1[/video]
 
desijat said:
as rinku shared on fb

bjp(in nominated pm candidate rally) gone facilitate sangeet som and suresh rana , mla from west up who are accused in recents riots. Just want to ask when people have lost their lives should national party be sympathizing and helping in restoring normalcy or time to facilitate the accused ?
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निश्चित रूप से एक राजनीतिक दल के मंच पर ऐसे लोगों का सम्मान करना देश को ऊंचाइयों की तरफ ले जाने वाला कदम नहीं था अरे भाई चर्चा तो सचिन को भारत रत्न देने के विरोध की भी हो रही है कि जो पैसे लेकर खेल रहा है उसे भारत रत्न किस बात का? परंतु यहाँ तो पुलिस अभिलेख में दर्ज अपराधियों को उनका दल ही हीरो बनाने पर तुला है यह कौनसा लोकतान्त्रिक कार्य वह केआर रहा है तिस पर यह तुर्रा भी कि उसी दल का भावी घोषित प्रधान मंत्री(यदि खुदा न खासता बन जाता है) उसी मंच पर आ रहा है i मेरे विचार से वहाँ के मुसलमान मूल रूप से मुसलमान नहीं थे उन्हें औरंगजेब जैसों ने जबरन बनाया होगा जैसे वीर गोकुला का बलिदान के समय मथुरा के आस-पास बनाये गए थे परंतु भरतपुर के वीर जवाहर सिंह ने उन्हें शायद 90 वर्ष बाद पुनः नौहवार नाम देकर हिंदु बना लिया था तो मुजफ्फरनगर में ऐसे पुरातन भाई-भाई क्यों लड़ें और किसके लिए लड़ें इस पर भी विचार होना चाहिए केवल सियासतदानों के शिकार होकर लड़ मरना या मार देना कौनसा न्याय है इसपर सभी को सम्यक विचार करना चाहिए i
 
Highly shameful that we still have Jats and Hindus supporting the Congress party and its Chappu and Pappu (SP and BSP).

Such Jaichands are neither Hindu nor Jats. Shame on them!!
 
Raj Bhaskar Ji,
RSS has not told the UP Govt not to register the case against the Sachin & Gaurav Father. Sachin & Gaurav father lost their son and even then they were arrested , all this was done by UP Yadav Govt and in Coordination with Center Congress Govt. In case of Nirbhaya in Delhi everything was right when we protested in large to raise the voice, when in Mauzzarfarnagar the Panchayat raised rised the voice then u say it wrong, It is the UP Govt which freed all the Muslim culprit, Please try to know the fact.

JATS know how to protect themselves, they think they need the support of religion for that they will go for that.
Sitting in big city is easy and when u are in area where the molesting is supported by one religion is very disgusting.



rajbhasker said:
RSS is the main culprit in these riots! They planned, instigated, funded, organised, and did the ghastly, shameless deed, while trying to keep themselves behind the curtain!! Every sensible Jat, or Indian citizen, be it hindu or any other religion, for that matter, not fall prey to these power hungry commissionkhors, who have been sucking blood of us gullible indian farmer, laborer, artisan or any working class citizen, from time immemorial!!
Now it is high time, that we understand their trick and give them a fitting reply, that by way of keeping our cool and rejecting them on social as well as political front!!
Can't we see, that in their fine, cunning ways, they have evolved such a mechanism that they cause them to die of hunger, who, by cultivating the earth, provide means of life to everyone!
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krishdel said:
Raj Bhaskar Ji,
RSS has not told the UP Govt not to register the case against the Sachin & Gaurav Father. Sachin & Gaurav father lost their son and even then they were arrested , all this was done by UP Yadav Govt and in Coordination with Center Congress Govt. In case of Nirbhaya in Delhi everything was right when we protested in large to raise the voice, when in Mauzzarfarnagar the Panchayat raised rised the voice then u say it wrong, It is the UP Govt which freed all the Muslim culprit, Please try to know the fact.

JATS know how to protect themselves, they think they need the support of religion for that they will go for that.
Sitting in big city is easy and when u are in area where the molesting is supported by one religion is very disgusting.
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I hope all should learn a lesson from the incident which was not just shocking but so blunt against hindus for votes, now those who supported hindus to save their integrity are communal. lol!!! Gujarat ki tareef nu na karta aak udde muslamam dabb rakhe hai, par yun karta hun ki UP/Bihar ki dhalla wo gadaar na macha rhe. 10 saal me roits na hona ek misaal hai. Pure hindustan me aise nhi hai. So why not support saffrons?
 
upendersingh said:
Paid media is creating the anti-Jat environment. What is need of showing such videos which have access to whole world? If paid media is doing so, then why don't they show Jolly canal like reports. Why don't they show Jat girls molestation by the Muslims? Why don't they show vandalizing of temples, Hindu gods images by the Muslims.

[video]http://khabar.ibnlive.in.com/news/113017/1[/video]
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http://zeenews.india.com/videos/sc-...en-s-deaths-in-muzaffarnagar-camps_25803.html
 
Please think of Bhajan Lal time when JATS were ill treated in Haryana. In jobs interview they were not given any weightage as compared to others. Thanks to Ch.Devi Lal that after that politics of Haryana changed.

Roopendrak said:
Yes why not ethnic cleanising why can't we jats of uttar pradesh live in peace like jats of haryana,rajasthan and other states where there is no such high proportion of muslims in their area.
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