मुज़फ्फरनगर का दंगा जाट आतंकवाद ? समाजवादी &#23

Safayi mahotsava. I don't know what is going in SPs mind, either they are not concerned about LS elections or they are running something from backend. RIP SP
 
Agreed and both these MLA are Thakur, though 1 Jat BJP MLA Bhartendu and 2 other Jat leader from Muzaffarnagar who really was protecting community they completely ignored by BJP and paid media. In Agra rally both these Thakur MLA and 1 Gurjjar openly honored on stage but no single Jat leader called there. There is no doubt BJP always ignored Jat , its only Modi (OBC caste) that is why Jats like other OBC looking towards BJP.
 
As Rinku shared on FB

BJP(in nominated PM candidate rally) gone facilitate Sangeet Som and Suresh Rana , MLA from west UP who are accused in recents riots. Just want to ask when people have lost their lives should national party be sympathizing and helping in restoring normalcy or time to facilitate the accused ?

Agreed and both these MLA are Thakur, though 1 Jat BJP MLA Bhartendu and 2 other Jat leader from Muzaffarnagar who really was protecting community they completely ignored by BJP and paid media. In Agra rally both these Thakur MLA and 1 Gurjjar openly honored on stage but no single Jat leader called there. There is no doubt BJP always ignored Jat , its only Modi (OBC caste) that is why Jats like other OBC looking towards BJP.
 
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If this minority appeasement continues by all these Pseudo-secular parties as the Khangress, JD(U), SP, RJD, TMC, Left, etc. there is a possibility of many more Muzaffarnagars happening across the country because the perpetrators then have no fear of the law as happened in Western UP.

I only hope the supporters of all the above mentioned parties realize that they are digging their own graves and that of their future generations.

What else can be expected from Mullah Mulayam, Mohtarma Mamta and Raul Baba (who says that criminals visit temples)?

Rising above petty personal interests and caste faultlines and for the sake of our society, we need to strengthen the hands of BJP both at the centre and states thereby ensuring that this utter disregard of law and order by a few members of a particular community can be checked before it goes out of hand.

Riots in Muzaffarnagar were not Jat-Muslim riots in, these were Hindu-Muslim riots. The evil media played a devilish gameplan of dividing the Hindus on caste lines by purposely omitting the word Hindu. Yet the electorate there understood this gameplan and united together to vote for the BJP which stood by the Jats (Hindus). Jats who worship their motherland are called Dangai?? Whoever (paid media) is spreading this wrong picture should be taken to task. Their source of Saudi money (petro dollars) should be completely blocked.

mein nahi janta danga hoga ya nahi lekin ye jaroor janta hoon ki agar BJP aayee to Hindus ka katle aam nahi hoga
 
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अभी जेहन में वो यादे ताज़ा हुई जो पिछले काफ़ी समय से बाहर आने को छटपटा रही थी| गत वर्ष हुए मुज़्ज़फ़्फरनगर दंगो का हर तरीके से विश्लेषण हो चुका है| पर ना तो कोई दंगा पीड़ितो की सुध लेने वाला है और ना ही असल दंगाइयो की| हालात जस के तस है| अगर कुछ बदला है तो वो है माहौल जो कि अब पूरी तरह से अविश्वासपूर्ण हो चुका है| दो समुदायो के बीच कभी ना भरने वाली खाई अब और भी गहरी हो गयी है|

खैर इस बीच राजनीति तो खूब जमकर हुई| धर्मनिरपेक्षता का लबादा ओढ़े हुए राजनीतिक पार्टियो ने जमकर चाँदी काटी| वो तो भला हो क्षेत्र की जनता का जिसने तथाकथित धर्मनिरपेक्षता का नशा लोकसभा चुनावो में उतार दिया|

राजनीतिक नफे नुक्सान से इतर अगर हम पीछे मुड़कर देखे तो लगता है इस सबके बीच आम जनता ही पिसी है| बेगुनाह लोग राजनीतिक प्रतिशोध का शिकार हुए है| हालत यह है कि हमारे जाट भाई फर्जी मुकद्दमो में नामज़द होकर कोर्ट कचहरी के चक्कर लगा रहे है| जेलों में बंद जाट नवयुवको का अपना भविष्य चौपट दिखाई दे रहा है| इन दंगो की असल कीमत तो हमारे समुदाय को ही चुकानी पड़ रही है| हाँ जो असली गुनेहगार है वो ज़रूर दंडित हो| साथ ही साथ यह सब कुछ निष्पक्ष हो, यह भी सुनिश्चित करना अनिवार्य है| अन्यथा आने वाले समय में यह किसी जोरदार प्रतिक्रिया का कारण बन सकता है|

हो सकता है आपको लगे मैं एक गुजर चुके समय को पुनर्जीवित करने की कोशिश कर रहा हूँ| चूँकि मैं मुज़फ़्फ़रनगर में पला-बढ़ा हूँ इसलिए मेरा इन घटनाओ से जुड़ाव स्वाभाविक है| कोई लाख आलोचना करे पर उस दिन जो भी हुआ वह प्रशासनिक तंत्र की विफलता और संप्रदाय विशेष को बढ़ावा देने का ही परिणाम था| पिछले साल ७ सितंबर को हुई महापंचायत का भी मैं हिस्सा रहा हूँ| उस दिन के अनुभव फिर कभी सांझा करूँगा|

वैसे यह एक बहस का विषय हो सकता है कि सभ्य समाज में दंगे होना एक कलंक के समान है| पर जाट समुदाय, जो अपने स्वाभिमान और साहस के लिए जाना जाता है, भला कैसे चुप बैठ सकता था जब राज्य प्रशासन पूरी तरह से दूसरे संप्रदाय के पक्ष में खड़ा था| मेरा सभी से हाथ जोड़कर अनुरोध है कि कृपया उस घटना का राजनीतिक विश्लेषण बंद करे कि किसने कराए दंगे, कौन ज़्यादा ज़िम्मेदार, मुझे लगता है कि यह उन लोगो का अपमान होगा जो परिणाम की परवाह किए बगैर लड़ गये और अपनी जान गंवाँ दी|

लोगो ने ये कहना शुरू कर दिया था कि अब जाट्टो में पहले जैसी बात नही रही अब बस नाम के जाट रह गये है| लेकिन मुज़फ़्फ़रनगर दंगो के बाद उन्हे अपने शब्द खुद ही चबाने पड़ गये| आज अगर हम एक धौंस और ठनक के साथ अपने जाट होने का दम भरते है तो उसका कारण हमारे लोगो का बिना अपना फ़ायदा नुक्सान सोचे कुछ कर गुजरने का जज़्बा है| आज के स्याने जमाने में यह बेवकूफी लग सकती है| लेकिन यही चीज़ है जो हमें दूसरो से अलग करती है| जो लोग मेरी बात से इत्तेफ़ाक नही रखते मैं चाहूँगा वो अपने जाट होने का दंभ भरना बंद कर दे| एक सिविलाइज़्ड सिटिज़न बनकर रहे| मैं पूछना चाहूँगा उन सब से कि अपने सीने पे हाथ रखकर खुद से पूछे की क्या उन्हे कभी अपने जाट होने का गुमान नही हुआ जब कभी भी किसी ने उनपर व्यक्तिगत रूप से निशाना साधने की कोशिश की|

मेरे लिए तो वो सभी जाट भाई जो अपनी क़ौम का मान को रखने के लिए दंगो के दौरान मारे गये, शहीद हुए है| मैं उनको शत शत नमन करता हूँ| मेरा अनुरोध है उनको जाट इतिहास में जगह दी जाए जिसकी शुरुआत इसी साइट से होनी चाहिए| मेरी माँग आपको थोड़ी अतिउत्साही लग सकती है| लेकिन उन लोगो का बलिदान इससे कही बढ़कर नमन करने के योग्य है|

मेरे कुछ बुद्धिजीवी भाइयो को शायद ये बातें हजम ना हो| मैं भी कॉर्पोरेट में कार्यरत हूँ| लेकिन अपनी जड़ो से कटा नही हूँ|

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Jats and Muslims should Unite else both will kill each other's while others will clap and take the property of both.This is Divide and rule! Since centuries we know people use Jats for their motives- Jat ko chadhha key apna mat lab siddha karo!
leaders of both communities should unite!
 
Jats and Muslims should Unite else both will kill each other's while others will clap and take the property of both.This is Divide and rule! Since centuries we know people use Jats for their motives- Jat ko chadhha key apna mat lab siddha karo!
leaders of both communities should unite!

Bhai Muzzafarnagar me jo muslim camp me pade hai unko Bhiwani le jao apne saath. khub mile ke rehna pyar se.

yaad rakhna kati hui ungli pe nahi mootega mulla.
 
Bhai Muzzafarnagar me jo muslim camp me pade hai unko Bhiwani le jao apne saath. khub mile ke rehna pyar se.

yaad rakhna kati hui ungli pe nahi mootega mulla.

Rathi Sir,
My point was that they are using us for their ultier moves. All other castes are saying its Jats vs Muslim let them kill each other . I bet there would be another riot before elections. Do you remember the Sikh vs Muslim riot in up and the Sikhs said it was orchestrated. They opposed Jat as army chief, jat reservation, pulled down Dlf's k p Singh and now the cm thing. Next thing in Haryana will be pulling down all jat sportsperson , jats only for class 3 and 4 jobs.
As you have pointed out well in your earlier post that it is since there is lack of a good leader.
I don't know what the solution is but punishing jats just because of their caste is caste politics.
 
Nobody can punish Jats if Jats do not allow anyone to punish them.

We put all our weight behind Congress and INLD, but that did not yield any result and the result is a non-Jat CM.

Sikh riots were orchestrated by some Muslim miscreants as reported in the media. you are advised to read the reports before forming error-prone assumptions.

They did not oppose a Jat as Army Chief because he is a Jat but because his name was okayed in a supposedly hasty manner by the COngress. Ultimately, it was the BJP govt. which put its foot down and said that no more questions or doubts about the Army Chief appointment and threw its weight behind the new Army chief.

Unfortunately we Jats have always been happy with a few class 3 or 4 jobs that we could get either through connections or money power. How many Jats IAS/HCS were secretaries in the different ministries under Sh. Hooda ji govt. Negligible (almost nil).

The point is that Jats today have no strong and forceful leaders. Gone are the days of Deenbandhu Sir Chhotu Ram, Ch. Bansi Lal, Tau Devi Lal, Ch. Charan Singh and Dr. Sahab Singh Verma.

Nobody can punish us if we don't want them to. We have punished ourselves by siding with parties having bad reputation for corruption (COngress) and Corruption & gundagardi (INLD).

By further making noise on Jat/non-Jat lines, please don't spoil the chances of any future Jat leader who might have following across all castes.

Rathi Sir,
My point was that they are using us for their ultier moves. All other castes are saying its Jats vs Muslim let them kill each other . I bet there would be another riot before elections. Do you remember the Sikh vs Muslim riot in up and the Sikhs said it was orchestrated. They opposed Jat as army chief, jat reservation, pulled down Dlf's k p Singh and now the cm thing. Next thing in Haryana will be pulling down all jat sportsperson , jats only for class 3 and 4 jobs.
As you have pointed out well in your earlier post that it is since there is lack of a good leader.
I don't know what the solution is but punishing jats just because of their caste is caste politics.
 
Abhik Ji,
There are many knd of goondagardi,
1.By use of brain and tactfully cheating people. That is done by BJP.
2.By Lath - INLD

Lath ki goondagardi can be easily controlled but goondagardi by using mischievious ideas by educated persons can not be controlled and is more dangerous.

In Haryana election as I feel BJP has strongly spreaded the poison of JAT and Non JAT. Now what I observe when I move around in Haryana that all the Non Jats are hungry of blood of JATS.
They will do it now by using govt. Haryana BJP to eliminate Jats .

I was strong supporter of BJP but now I have changed the mind after seeing this "Nafrat " against Jat community spreaded by BJP during elections.

Nobody can punish Jats if Jats do not allow anyone to punish them.

We put all our weight behind Congress and INLD, but that did not yield any result and the result is a non-Jat CM.

Sikh riots were orchestrated by some Muslim miscreants as reported in the media. you are advised to read the reports before forming error-prone assumptions.

They did not oppose a Jat as Army Chief because he is a Jat but because his name was okayed in a supposedly hasty manner by the COngress. Ultimately, it was the BJP govt. which put its foot down and said that no more questions or doubts about the Army Chief appointment and threw its weight behind the new Army chief.

Unfortunately we Jats have always been happy with a few class 3 or 4 jobs that we could get either through connections or money power. How many Jats IAS/HCS were secretaries in the different ministries under Sh. Hooda ji govt. Negligible (almost nil).

The point is that Jats today have no strong and forceful leaders. Gone are the days of Deenbandhu Sir Chhotu Ram, Ch. Bansi Lal, Tau Devi Lal, Ch. Charan Singh and Dr. Sahab Singh Verma.

Nobody can punish us if we don't want them to. We have punished ourselves by siding with parties having bad reputation for corruption (COngress) and Corruption & gundagardi (INLD).

By further making noise on Jat/non-Jat lines, please don't spoil the chances of any future Jat leader who might have following across all castes.
 
Abhik Ji,
There are many knd of goondagardi,
1.By use of brain and tactfully cheating people. That is done by BJP.
2.By Lath - INLD

Lath ki goondagardi can be easily controlled but goondagardi by using mischievious ideas by educated persons can not be controlled and is more dangerous.

In Haryana election as I feel BJP has strongly spreaded the poison of JAT and Non JAT. Now what I observe when I move around in Haryana that all the Non Jats are hungry of blood of JATS.
They will do it now by using govt. Haryana BJP to eliminate Jats .

I was strong supporter of BJP but now I have changed the mind after seeing this "Nafrat " against Jat community spreaded by BJP during elections.

Very well said! The poisen of jat vs non jat is out! Next will be poison of yadav vs Punjabi , then Punjabi and Gujarati and so on!
 
Krishan Ji,

God has endowed us with sufficient brain and brawn. It is upto us whether we use the brain or allow others to fool us.

This Jat/Non-Jat divide is not a creation of the BJP, but the Congress. The Congress govt. under Sh. Hoodaji with all the development work being carried out in Rohtak sent the signal to the rest of Haryana and the country that the govt. is biased towards Jats and a particular region of Haryana. Even Jats from other regions of Haryana were not happy with selective development of Rohtak and their regions being ignored for development. Hence, the origination of the Jat/Non-Jat divide took place at Rohtak under the Congress govt. under the leadership of Sh. Hooda ji, but yes of course it could have been used as a poll strategy by some non-Jat leaders.

Now since the Non-Jats (78 percent) have realized that if they consolidate their votes against Jats, Jats are inconsequential electorally. This is a very dangerous trend towards which in numerous of my earlier posts I had tried to draw everyone's attention. Hence, I say that unnecessary confrontation and criticism will not help us ever. It is time to develop a new good imaged Jat leadership which will have following amongst all castes. This can only happen through developing goodwill with other communities and certainly not through confrontation.

If we had the required numbers no. of Jat BJP MLAs no Tom Dick and Harry would have had the power to stop Capt. Abhimanyu from becoming the CM of Haryana. But by voting for the older non-performing and corruption tainted parties we have lost that golden opportunity.

Abhi bhi sambhal jayein toh kaafi hae!!

Abhik Ji,
There are many knd of goondagardi,
1.By use of brain and tactfully cheating people. That is done by BJP.
2.By Lath - INLD

Lath ki goondagardi can be easily controlled but goondagardi by using mischievious ideas by educated persons can not be controlled and is more dangerous.

In Haryana election as I feel BJP has strongly spreaded the poison of JAT and Non JAT. Now what I observe when I move around in Haryana that all the Non Jats are hungry of blood of JATS.
They will do it now by using govt. Haryana BJP to eliminate Jats .

I was strong supporter of BJP but now I have changed the mind after seeing this "Nafrat " against Jat community spreaded by BJP during elections.
 
Krishan Ji,

God has endowed us with sufficient brain and brawn. It is upto us whether we use the brain or allow others to fool us.

This Jat/Non-Jat divide is not a creation of the BJP, but the Congress. The Congress govt. under Sh. Hoodaji with all the development work being carried out in Rohtak sent the signal to the rest of Haryana and the country that the govt. is biased towards Jats and a particular region of Haryana. Even Jats from other regions of Haryana were not happy with selective development of Rohtak and their regions being ignored for development. Hence, the origination of the Jat/Non-Jat divide took place at Rohtak under the Congress govt. under the leadership of Sh. Hooda ji, but yes of course it could have been used as a poll strategy by some non-Jat leaders.

Now since the Non-Jats (78 percent) have realized that if they consolidate their votes against Jats, Jats are inconsequential electorally. This is a very dangerous trend towards which in numerous of my earlier posts I had tried to draw everyone's attention. Hence, I say that unnecessary confrontation and criticism will not help us ever. It is time to develop a new good imaged Jat leadership which will have following amongst all castes. This can only happen through developing goodwill with other communities and certainly not through confrontation.

If we had the required numbers no. of Jat BJP MLAs no Tom Dick and Harry would have had the power to stop Capt. Abhimanyu from becoming the CM of Haryana. But by voting for the older non-performing and corruption tainted parties we have lost that golden opportunity.

Abhi bhi sambhal jayein toh kaafi hae!!

Abhikji!
Please see following

https://www.facebook.com/iSupportNamo/posts/870185589669195

this is a facebook post by I Support Narendra modi


Why Haryana should have a non-Jat Chief Minister
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The big question that is now staring BJP in the face is the choice of a Chief Minister, will Venkaiah Naidu go with the safe alternative of selecting a Jat face or take the risk of a non Jat Chief Minister. Though, Jats make up 21 per cent of the voter base they vote as a block and have always had control of the Chief Ministers seat.
Successive Jat Chief Ministers have created a promoted and inducted only Jats into the system. Jats dominate police, local bureaucracy and administration. Almost every police station by a Jat SHO, promotion is caste based. Even if other castes get in to the police they hide their surnames. Same is the situation in city administration or even in the state bureaucracy.
Haryana has become Jat country while the Ahirs, Gurjars and even the trading community alienated. No other state has a situation where 21 per cent voters control the state so completely

so now it seems they will reverse everything.

Still you claim Jat/ Non Jat was created by congress!

there is no strong pro jat leader but there are plenty of anti jat.
 
Praveen ji, we all know that Haryana voters have been polarized on Jat/Non-Jat basis in the recent elections.

If you would have read my post carefully I have written that non-Jat leaders might have very well used this as a poll issue.

But what is also more importantly relevant is that the origin of this Jat/Non-Jat divide is Hoodaji putting in all so-called development in Rohtak and surrounding regions. This gave a false impression that Hoodaji favoured a particular region and Jats whereas the truth is that Jats got no special concession or benefit. To add fuel to the fire, Jats voted ONLY for Congress and INLD thereby ensuring that BJP won mainly on the basis of non-Jat votes.

It is our fault that we have wrongly divided the society/voters on the basis of Jat/Non-Jat. Now the Non-Jats have got this magic mantra which will enable them to form a Non-Jat govt/CM in future as well whether Jats vote en bloc or not.

Time to stop living in the past and in denial mode.

Abhikji!
Please see following

https://www.facebook.com/iSupportNamo/posts/870185589669195

this is a facebook post by I Support Narendra modi


Why Haryana should have a non-Jat Chief Minister
--------------------------------------------------------------------
The big question that is now staring BJP in the face is the choice of a Chief Minister, will Venkaiah Naidu go with the safe alternative of selecting a Jat face or take the risk of a non Jat Chief Minister. Though, Jats make up 21 per cent of the voter base they vote as a block and have always had control of the Chief Ministers seat.
Successive Jat Chief Ministers have created a promoted and inducted only Jats into the system. Jats dominate police, local bureaucracy and administration. Almost every police station by a Jat SHO, promotion is caste based. Even if other castes get in to the police they hide their surnames. Same is the situation in city administration or even in the state bureaucracy.
Haryana has become Jat country while the Ahirs, Gurjars and even the trading community alienated. No other state has a situation where 21 per cent voters control the state so completely

so now it seems they will reverse everything.

Still you claim Jat/ Non Jat was created by congress!

there is no strong pro jat leader but there are plenty of anti jat.
 
Praveen ji, we all know that Haryana voters have been polarized on Jat/Non-Jat basis in the recent elections.

If you would have read my post carefully I have written that non-Jat leaders might have very well used this as a poll issue.

But what is also more importantly relevant is that the origin of this Jat/Non-Jat divide is Hoodaji putting in all so-called development in Rohtak and surrounding regions. This gave a false impression that Hoodaji favoured a particular region and Jats whereas the truth is that Jats got no special concession or benefit. To add fuel to the fire, Jats voted ONLY for Congress and INLD thereby ensuring that BJP won mainly on the basis of non-Jat votes.

It is our fault that we have wrongly divided the society/voters on the basis of Jat/Non-Jat. Now the Non-Jats have got this magic mantra which will enable them to form a Non-Jat govt/CM in future as well whether Jats vote en bloc or not.

Time to stop living in the past and in denial mode.

Abhik Bhai,

Its sad that your prism of viewing growth ( or lack of it) is always anti-congress. You seem to have less focus on jats and more on anti-congress. I think most would agree with me here about your peculiarity.Why is that so?
 
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