Allowing Sikh JaTs on this site

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This subject has been visited before, and I am bringing it up again.

A number of my Sikh Jat Friends have advised me of their concern that this site is for Hindu Jats only.

They feel this is unfair, especially, as no Sikh Jat site discriminates against Hindu Jats.

I agree with them, and support the view that all Jats should be eligible to be on this site.

If we do not allow it, we will only encourage diviseness.

Can we see some leadership on this issue?

Ravi Chaudhary
 
I fully endorse the view. All jats irrespective of their nationality, religion etc. should be allowed to be members of this site. This will go a long way to understand each other and unite us all.

Regards
Rajendra
 
I also think it is a good idea. In canada, I have known a large number of Sikh Jats and they feel affinity for all Jats.

Birbal Singh
 
Rajendra Ji and Dr Birbbal ji

Many thanks


I will move a motion " that Sikh Jats be allowed on this site."

Unless there is some rational opposition against such inclusion, this must be our policy.

If anyone objects, could they please, state their objections., so we can address their concerns.


Ravi Chaudhary
 
Folks,

I don't really object and I am not at all against our sikh jat brothers. I visit this site because I am able to make a connection (at heart) with people of a culture we all have come to share in the Jat heartland of Western UP, Haryana, Punjab, Rajasthan and other areas.

We must consider the pros and cons of such an idea. I would be real careful here just to avoid unnecessary conflict. As far as I can see this would only lead to conflict. I don't see any value in such a idea.

I think there are websites already dedicated to our Sikh Jat brothers and those who can make a connection can easily get involved on those sites.

I would rather have this site dedicated to the people of common culture, interest and background. I may be wrong but I think that is the whole idea of this site - to be able to make connection with the people who share a culture, share a interest and share a background. This is the only reason I come to this site, otherwise there are so many other websites on the internet.

My 2 cents worth.

-ajmer
 
In Principle I agree with Ravi...its a good idea to allow sikh jats to become members of this forum. What does Nitin and other jatland members think of this idea?
 
Ajmer Dahiya (Mar 02, 2004 05:44 p.m.):
Folks,

I don't really object and I am not at all against our sikh jat brothers. I visit this site because I am able to make a connection (at heart) with people of a culture we all have come to share in the Jat heartland of Western UP, Haryana, Punjab, Rajasthan and other areas.

We must consider the pros and cons of such an idea. I would be real careful here just to avoid unnecessary conflict. As far as I can see this would only lead to conflict. I don't see any value in such a idea.

I think there are websites already dedicated to our Sikh Jat brothers and those who can make a connection can easily get involved on those sites.

I would rather have this site dedicated to the people of common culture, interest and background. I may be wrong but I think that is the whole idea of this site - to be able to make connection with the people who share a culture, share a interest and share a background. This is the only reason I come to this site, otherwise there are so many other websites on the internet.

My 2 cents worth.

-ajmer
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Ajmer Bhai,

World in our times is changing much more faster than it had ever changed in the past. Winds of changes are blowing too fast and holding hands of our other jat brothers will give us strength. Let us come closer to all of them as soon as we can and make a much larger block. This will give us a voice on world forum.

Rajendra
 
I am a jat and i feel a closer sense of brother hood towards a sikh jatt and evan a muslim jat than a brahmin or a baniya ..

its a pitty a few pepl on both sides dont feel the way i do

There is only 1 race a jat race ...if tommorow i were to take a side i kno on whose side i would be on
 
Ajmer

When we leave our comfort zones , there is always unease.

Yet The Sarv Khap of Haryana, stretched from the Sutlej in Punjab to Western UP, to Madhya Pradesh,

Then our Sikh Jats are our flesh and blood.

One other small point

United we are over 50 million.

In an area that is the richest part on India, surrounding the capital.

Can you imagine the power that will bring.

align that with the vision of Dr Gehlawat and others.

Is it not worthwhile to take the first little step?

There are many more members who are much more capable than I am, who will lead us to a new frontier.

and when we stand together, none can defeat us.

Is that not a worthwhile vision?


Ravi
 
JAT IS JAT (NO MATTER WHICH RELIGION YOU BELONG TO, JAT SHOULD NOT HAVE ANY RELIGIOUS BORDER, AND SHOULD NOT BE TIED UP WITH RELIGIOUS KNOTS) THATS WHAT I WOULD SAY...

VERY GOOD I AGREE WITH YOU RAVI WELCOME THEM ON JATLAND.

WITH BEST REGARDS
 
hello!
issue of invoving sikh and muslim jats in this forum depends on the very purpose of this forum. if the purpose is just to increase the numbers and being more powerfull in terms numbers (no doubt there will b very powerfull people in sikh and muslim jats and they will help in growth and development).
but are really we (haryana,u.p,delhi ,rajasthan)jats and sikh-muslim jats same. are marriages between all these three types possible(as there have been lots of discussion about intercaste marriage on this site).
is our culture similar to sikh and muslim jats.if all these people interact and mix up culture , what will b the final product. for that matter all human beings r similar.
so, first we need to concentare on consolidating our posion and at later stages only include sikh or muslim jats. other wise it may happen that after some time (2-3yr.) this forum may b dominated by sikh or muslim jats and we our self may loose the identity(at present also some of us r not clear what we really r ). so, lets consolidate and concentrate more on invoving(there r lakhs in harayan,u.p,delhi,rajasthan) our our type of jats.
 
sorry Ravi ji...i will not accept them with us...aaj sikh jat ko milane ki baat ho rahi he kal ko mushlim jat ko bhi milayenge kyon ?....ham kam he kya?...aap kis strength ki baaat ker rahe he...kya aap hamare saath hoke khud ko kamjor samajh rahe ho to isame aapki galati he...to be unit agal baat he aur apane "guts" alag baat he...
sikh jat bahoot cooperative he to me kya karoon..honge...ham nahi he kya?...aise to dheere-dheere ye "ghar".."dharamshaala" ban jayegi...ki jab jisaka mann hua aa gaya....yadi aapka yaha number of mambers badane ka irada hi he to me yaha mere college me sabhi hostels me announce ker deta hoon na.....kon mana karega....sabhi girl-boys chat kerne ko agree ho jayenge.....
absolutely NO...from my side..chahe aap isako "narrow mindness" kaho ya kuchh aur....i cann't accept them .....yadi non hindu jats se interact hona he to aap khud bhi personally ye kaam ker sakate he..nahi to fir hamare is chhote se pariwar me "wo" baat nahi rahegi...

ye unity ki baat kahi aur kejiye..election to nahi lad rahe aap kahi?...
 
In my perception.. "NOPE" !!

As of now Home page of Jatland.com describes as below

"Your participation is eagerly awaited!! New users will need to be register first. Please note that registration is open only to (Hindu) Jats at the moment."

Sikh Jatt and Muslim Jats :-( Believe me if inclusion of sikh \ muslim jat logic get implemented on this website then after some time aapne bhaiyon se isi website per milne ke liye Sat sri kaal ( Ithey - uthey ) aur salaamwalekum karna padega :-) )


I have a BIG doubt if Muslim JAT and Sikh JAT can understand what all has written in our JAT Dictionary in below URL. Hamara culture mail nahi khata then why should we invite Sikh \ Muslim Jats.

Sikh Jats has lot of their own sites….those interested…can join those sites.

http://www.jatland.com/cgi-bin/ub/UltraBoard.cgi?action=Read&BID=12&TID=1074&P=6&SID=69799#ID118
 
what i think is that there should not be any problem in allowing sikh jats on this site..
There should not be any difference between sikh jats and us.
This step will also improve our strength and our circle ...
We all r educated persons and hope u all will support this move..
 
Dear Hemant,
I agree with you to some extent. However, you should not forget the fact these sikhs were the people choosen out of us only. This koum was created for the dharm rakhsha.
There were jats also among them. However, the muslim jats are not at all among us and should not be allowed at any case. I have nothing personal against anybody.
 
I agree with Mukesh , Hemant,Amardeep and Uday.We do require Quality jats ( Hindu jats) not quantity of jats

Uday Dahiya (Mar 03, 2004 05:12 a.m.):

Sikh Jats has lot of their own sites….those interested…can join those sites.
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This thread is for the discussion of the issue " Sikh Jats" only.

For the issue of Muslim Jats, I have started another thread.

Please could members post their comments re Muslim Jats there.


Ravi
 
Rajendera Bhai and others,

Thanks. I understand that the times have changed and so have Jats. That is why we are so far away from our homes. There are so many other ways in which to show and accept the change.

I would like to see this site preserve the Tau (ta-ooo) culture unless we can really have a taoo.com. This is not a political forum. Some people have mentioned strength. There is strength in numbers but there is strength in culture too.

This site has been very successful as far as I am concerned. Why change it now.

This issue has already been debated and I think it is a good idea to keep the site the way it is.

This site is many things for many of us. For some of us this site is more like going to the other side of the village Johad to have some fun with friends in the evening after a hard working day.

As someone has already pointed out, as a simple benchmark go and ask a Tau whether he will marry his son or daughter in other communities. I am not at all against inter-cast marriage and all that is why I am asking a Tau and not the son or daughter. Also, don't tell me that a UP Tau won't marry his son or daughter in Haryana or vice versa because that is not true. So many Taus in our area are already married in UP and vice-versa.

Take care and have fun.

Thanks.

-ajmer
 
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