Army chief Gen. VK Singh DOB dispute

[kapdal]

Kapil, thanks for bothering about me , but dear, when mr ssgoyat knew that I donot want his reaction because of his indiscipline behaviour, why he wrote by quoting my post, the toppic of discussion was DOB OF PRESENT CAOS, my remark on incapability of vikaram for the post of CAOS, WAS JUST A SIMPLE REMARK SINCE I KNOW THIS MAN, what was the requirement of going so far as lower ranks and even ssb, all this shows very clearly his intention, I have noticed earlier also, he play mischieve and hide hiself under the bed, niether think proper to reply, nor appologize. put others into hot discussion, heart burning or bad relations and he ejoys cat fight, that why I want to see this person/his parents and reply/reward him for his misbehaviour. Brother, I had read his post twice where he has clearly challenged me warned me so let us see how he keeps his words, No doubt, I am an old man but firstly a jat and a sholdier, I have tolrated enough now it is a fight against goon/improper behaviour and injustice at jatland, by issuing warning to me he has crossed all barriars of decence and gentileman behaviour and at any cost, such goons must be taught lession properly, please pardone me for talking straight, brother he has hurt me seriously, I understand that at my level this kind of reaction by me is not correct but his continuing misbehaviour is forcing me to go little far, I am sorry for that. regards

Sir,

I am hardly that good a person to bother about people I personally don't know. As a member, I just want, in my own self-interest, an environment of free and fair discussion. My request to you is coming from that self-interest.

As I said earlier, you may feel strongly that Mr. X doesn't have the requisite experience to speak on the matter. But if you post anything on a social forum, you do open yourself to questions and comments from all and sundry, many of who won't match your expectations. You may also feel that Mr. X has some hidden agenda in posting what he did (to be honest, I too feel that with respect to some members). But what can be done about it? The post can only be judged on its content, and not anyone's feelings. If you don't trust me, you can show that post to anyone you trust and I expect a reasonable mind to give you the same viewpoint.

As for the "warning" post, it is gone now as you wished. You may keep the said person in your bad books on that account. But it doesn't help anyone if matters from virtual world are taken to the real world. Not only it doesn't befit a person of your stature, it also vitiates the atmosphere here. I don't think you would want that given the interests of the community that you always have in mind. Rest is upto you, I don't have anything more to say on this matter.

Regards

 

[ssgoyat]

update:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-government-to-court/articleshow/11512955.cms
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[singhvp]

If country needs a mutiny, then so be it (though i doubt our country is yet at those crossroads). Why to stop that? Simply put, it's a rhetoric against government apathy. Thus is just meant to lobby people against an inefficient establishment. Nothing wrong in that!! Anna ne bhi to Bola ki Azaadi ki dusari ladai? What happened when he was put in jail?? If Ravinder goes aboveboard in giving voice to popular sentiment, then it should not be taken on face value.

Why we are stuck on rhetoric? Issue is larger?? Issue is that Rahul Gandhi represents a demagogic and unpopuplar government and he can't simply get away with it. He deserves brickbats. Being in Public life he should not shy away from it.

Highly offensive and provocative statement, if taken in literal sense. I hope you don't mean it literally. But, even if it is taken in virtual sense, this is a blatant attack on democracy. This aggressive hostility and abusive language towards people of different stream of thought would, perhaps, become the biggest reason for BJP's debacle in the forthcoming election. I think you are not mindful of a sizable chunk of peace-loving mediocrity that is firm believer in the democratic values. You are simply offending them. How can one convince them to vote for a party whose academia and think tanks like Vikas Gulia start exhorting philistinism and muscular ways to wrest political power rather than winning the hearts of electorates. Please have faith in secret ballot which is the mainstay of our democracy.

Vikas, this is not about Congress, BJP or Rahul Gandhi or any other individual; this is about a well-established system which is founded on the pillars of pluralistic democracy. By giving such irresponsible statements, you are encouraging the neo-fascism and anarchy which will take us to the pre-historic times where only jungle rule prevailed. Rahul Gandhi could be a wrong choice, but it is pertinent to see who chose him a Member of Parliament. You are simply questioning a system where people are free to choose a leader of their choice. What right do we have to question the propriety of decision-making and wisdom of those who elected him. They are also citizen of a free democratic country and have every right to choose anyone irrespective of the background of a person. It is immaterial whether he belongs to a royalty or he is a pauper because he is a choice of people and people’s choice must prevail in a democracy, not anyone’s whims and fancies. We may like it or not, we have to live with this harsh reality.

And, yes, this kind of provocative statements might certainly jeopardize the interests of this forum as there is strict vigilance and surveillance on all the social forums. Mind you, 21 internet companies in India have already been issued notices and the Delhi High Court today lambasted the representatives of FB and Google today on this issue when they tried to plead innocent.

 

[ravinderjeet]

Highly offensive and provocative statement, I think. This is a blatant attack on democracy. This aggressive hostility and abusive language towards people of different stream of thought would, perhaps, become the biggest reason for BJP's debacle in the forthcoming election. I think you are not mindful of a sizable chunk of peace-loving mediocrity that is firm believer in the democratic values. You are simply offending them. How can one convince them to vote for a party whose academia and think tanks like Vikas Gulia start exhorting philistinism and muscular ways to wrest political power rather than winning the hearts of electorates. Please have faith in secret ballot which is the mainstay of our democracy.


१) जब पंजाब में अकालियाँ की मेजोरिटी सरकार गिरा के ने कांग्रेस ने आपनी सरकार बनाई ,जब लोकतंतर कित जार्या था ? जिसके फलसवरूप खालिस्तान आन्दोलन शुरू होया था |
२) जब हरयाणा में चोधरी देवीलाल की मेजोरिटी होयें पाछे भी इंदिरा ने भजनलाल की कान्ग्रेस्सी सरकार बनवाई ,जब लोकतंतर कित जार्या था ?
३) यु भारत का गृह मंन्त्री जो चुनाव अधिकारी ताहीं रिश्वत दे के ने २८०० वोटां तें हारें पाछे भी जित्या होड़ दिखा के ने देश पे लट्ठ बजान लाग्र्या अर आज ताहि कोर्ट ने एक भी सुनवाई ना करी स ,ते इब्ब न्यू बताओ अक लोकतंत्र कित जार्या स ?
४ ) जब अन्ना शान्ति पूरवक आन्दोलन करे था जब उनको जेल में गेर दिया ते लोक तंतर कित जार्या था ?
५) जब आधी रात ने सोंदे होए स्त्याग्र्हियाँ पे इस गृह मंत्री ने लाठी भ्न्ज्वाई थी जब लोकतंत्र कित जार्या था ?
६) जब बाबरी मस्जिद गेरी थी जब पांच राज्यों की संवेधानिक भाजपा की सरकार कान्ग्रेसियाँ ने भंग करी थी जब लोकतंतर कित जार्या था ?


और इब्बे बाकी स |


---- सद- भावनाओं सहित |

 

[bharti]

Latest... COAS goes to Supreme Court.

 

[sjakhars]

Debates......

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/the-9-oclock-news/has-the-chief-disgraced-the-army/221256?hp

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/le...ll-civil-military-relations-take-a-hit/221253

 

[atamjeet78]

DOES HOODA SAAB HAS PLAYED ANY ROLE IN THIS???

Was going through a forum on Bharat rakshak web site and this was posted over there....

An old story with New Characters:

Gen Kapoor Didn't like Gen Singh (could be various reasons)
Gen Singh sent to Eastern Command
Gen Singh still became COAS
Gen Singh started picking Gen Kapoor's gang
Gen Singh inching closer to Gen Kapoor's neck
Gen Kapoor ran to his old all weather pal. Ch. Bhupinder Singh Hudda, CM of Haryana
Hudda saab saved Gen Kapoor but Gen Singh continued with his mission to "clean" army of dirty elements.
Hudda saab discussed this "undiscipline" and "non-offr like" attitude of Gen Singh with his masters.
......censored.....
......censored.....
Gen Singh in trouble

 

[karan]

Dear All,

Greetings!

The controversy about the date of birth (DOB) of the present Chief of the Army Staff (COAS) arose because of many factors, some of which cannot be discussed on a public forum. This is the end result of a growing nexus between politicians – bureaucrats and senior defence officers of a particular ilk. This nexus decides as to who shall rise in the ranks and occupy which post. Every posting of a Brigadier and above has to have an approval of the Ministry of Defence, meaning politicians and bureaucrats. For all those who don’t know, even the promotions lists are vetted by the ministry.

It is a well known past time of senior officers (Major Generals and above) of the Indian Army to regularly keep a tab on the Army List. As to who will get what rank depends upon factors like age – rank – qualifications – annual confidential reports.

Let me give you an example. There are three officers of equal calibre and capabilitioes, namely Maj Generals A, B & C. Now say A is a JAT, B is a Brahmin and C is a Sikh. All three have everything in their favor and any one of them can rise to the rank of a General and be a COAS one day. Now this how the nexus works. Obviously A will be the first one to be sorted out. How? Well if A is an Infantry Officer he shall be posted to a place where his bosses are Sikhs / Brahmins. So his story will end. As to how it will happen is a long story. Now B & C are left and one of them will have to become COAS at a later date. Now comes something called ‘deep selection’. This deep selection was done musch before Gen JJ singh became COAS. A couple of good officers were sorted out in Maj Gen rank to ensure that Gen Deepak Kapoor becomes COAS at a later date. It was during Gen Kapoor’s time that it was planned how to create a confusion regarding the DOB of Gen VK Singh so that Gen Bikram Singh can become COAS one day. The MS Branch then headed by a Lt Gen was used to do so. Maj Gen VK Singh was told to accept his DOB as May 1951 by MS Branch if he was to take over as a Corps Commander. Anyone in his place would have done the same. He was again asked to give an undertaking when he was appointed as an Army Commander later. The people in power then abused the system and got away with it. Now the whole system would come together to make an example out of Gen VK Singh and call him all types of things. This is a very sad for all of us who donned the uniform with pride to serve the nation.

No one knows what course of action will Gen VK Singh take. My personal view is that he should leave it at that and retire in May 2012. Like US Army ZGeneral Mac Arthur said “Old soldiers never die, they just fade away”. Gen Singh should retire with grace and just fade away.

Best regards,

JS Malik

Jagmohan
I agree with everything you have said in your post, your hints and explanation speak for themselves. Lt. Gen in question of MS branch was IIRC Lt. Gen Avadesh Prakash. he was the one accused in Sukna Land Scam case,Gen Deepak Kapoor wanted just a slap on wrist and bury it down but it was VK Singh --Eastern Army Commander at that time refused to do so Deepak Kapoor used his influence to not let MS branch change VK Singh DOB. There are some members who are insinuating the VK Singh has done something wrong--Well here is the news--HE HASN"T, All of his promotions till Gen officer are done on basis of his DOB that was registered with AG Branch that is 1951 not 1950.
I don't want COAS to retire gracefully and fade away. He is the top Soldier of this nation, if he was held to highest ethics of honor and dignity--he has done his job admirably. It is the same Gov't who made him COAS why is the same Gov't now making trivial matter an Albatross. This is a total failure of Scum Bag, Ch**iya Singh PM's leadership failure. True to his character this PM runs away to some foreign country under some pretext and this gov't freeze and paralyze. If Military is held to highest order of ethic and honor then Gov't should honor their end of the bargain.......it clearly shows that the nation's top military man has lost faith in the government's ability to be fair and just, and that the bureaucrat-politician nexus that controls the defence establishments cannot be trusted by "those who lay down their lives for the nation."
That's all I have to say in this matter

 

[karan]

Highly offensive and provocative statement, I think. This is a blatant attack on democracy. This aggressive hostility and abusive language towards people of different stream of thought would, perhaps, become the biggest reason for BJP's debacle in the forthcoming election. I think you are not mindful of a sizable chunk of peace-loving mediocrity that is firm believer in the democratic values. You are simply offending them. How can one convince them to vote for a party whose academia and think tanks like Vikas Gulia start exhorting philistinism and muscular ways to wrest political power rather than winning the hearts of electorates. Please have faith in secret ballot which is the mainstay of our democracy.


१) जब पंजाब में अकालियाँ की मेजोरिटी सरकार गिरा के ने कांग्रेस ने आपनी सरकार बनाई ,जब लोकतंतर कित जार्या था ? जिसके फलसवरूप खालिस्तान आन्दोलन शुरू होया था |
२) जब हरयाणा में चोधरी देवीलाल की मेजोरिटी होयें पाछे भी इंदिरा ने भजनलाल की कान्ग्रेस्सी सरकार बनवाई ,जब लोकतंतर कित जार्या था ?
३) यु भारत का गृह मंन्त्री जो चुनाव अधिकारी ताहीं रिश्वत दे के ने २८०० वोटां तें हारें पाछे भी जित्या होड़ दिखा के ने देश पे लट्ठ बजान लाग्र्या अर आज ताहि कोर्ट ने एक भी सुनवाई ना करी स ,ते इब्ब न्यू बताओ अक लोकतंत्र कित जार्या स ?
४ ) जब अन्ना शान्ति पूरवक आन्दोलन करे था जब उनको जेल में गेर दिया ते लोक तंतर कित जार्या था ?
५) जब आधी रात ने सोंदे होए स्त्याग्र्हियाँ पे इस गृह मंत्री ने लाठी भ्न्ज्वाई थी जब लोकतंत्र कित जार्या था ?
६) जब बाबरी मस्जिद गेरी थी जब पांच राज्यों की संवेधानिक भाजपा की सरकार कान्ग्रेसियाँ ने भंग करी थी जब लोकतंतर कित जार्या था ?


और इब्बे बाकी स |


---- सद- भावनाओं सहित |

Ravinderjeet
Excellent Response. Couldn't agree with you more. हक़ मांगने से नहीं मिलता , छिना जाता हे |अहिंसा कमजोरों का हथियार हे |पगड़ी संभाल जट्टा | If there was a time to live by these words, it is now. I am glad Gen VK Singh is doing it.

 

[karan]

Looking by your comment, i'm beggining to wonder how come this 'incapable sikh officer' rose beyond the rank of a colonel ???? then Brig> Maj Gen>Lt. General!!!
As till that point, promotions are only time bound. Thereafter merit & capability comes into play & offcourse influence too, in top ranks.

If this was so, one could doubt the SSB process, recruiting such 'incapable' officers. Right !!??

I understand exceptions are always there, but climbing the ladder, reaching among top brass rank could not be an incapable's cup of tea.
But yes selecting a COAS or commanders out of this chunk could be debatable n doubtful, influenced.

To conclude: We shouldn't be commenting on someone's capability or incapability. Just as per our whims & fancies.

Dude
You are living in a fools paradise. You have no idea about the selection process of General officers. Do you know the strength of Punjabi Lobby in Army. Punjabi is the de facto lingua franca? Do you have any idea how much Sikhs care for other sikh officer? You are quick to jump to many conclusions without having any deep knowledge of process.
I totally agree with Fateh on his observation about Bikram Singh as another incompetent officer who will become COAS. Do you know what happened in Congo Peace Mission under his command, how many of his officers have been accused of sexual crimes? How many fake encounters did he manage to get himself gallantry medal? You should dig deep and do your own research------wikipedia is not research its hearsay

 

[ygulia]

update:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-government-to-court/articleshow/11512955.cms
कहानी में रोचक मोड़ :- जनरल ने UPSC के फार्म में जाण के गलत डेट भर राखी थी
इब SSB बोर्ड ने इसमें तब verification क्यूँ नहीं करी...

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और कमाल है.. इतने साल की सर्विस के दौरान फ़ौज ने एक बार भी गलती नहीं पकड़ी...

अर्र बेशरम हो रहा से इब भी...उल्टा खुद ही केस कर्र रहा है..

He was minor at that time and hence there is no fault of the General.

 

[karan]

Final nail in the coffin of Congress Corrupt Govt. AK Antony aka Dirty Lungi and MMS aka Chu**ya Singh gov't deserve nothing but prosecution. This PM should be impeached for failing to follow the law. The link and subsequent picture of letter from MS Branch singed by Lt. Gen MG Nair supports the contention of General VK Singh. This congress government is in deep trouble now.......
http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2011/09/antony-faces-trouble-for-statement-on.html

 

[singhvp]

At the time of joining the service, Gen Singh was not minor. There was enough time to have the record rectified. Why this Kolavery now at the fag end of his carrier? Moreover, even if something positive comes out of this imbroglio, what is for us to rejoice as a community. In the past, I have heard people castigating even the Rajputs. How come, this sudden sympathy to them. Is it a change of heart, or is it just another alibi to condemn the establishment.

 

[singhvp]

Dude
You are living in a fools paradise. You have no idea about the selection process of General officers. Do you know the strength of Punjabi Lobby in Army. Punjabi is the de facto lingua franca? Do you have any idea how much Sikhs care for other sikh officer? You are quick to jump to many conclusions without having any deep knowledge of process.
I totally agree with Fateh on his observation about Bikram Singh as another incompetent officer who will become COAS. Do you know what happened in Congo Peace Mission under his command, how many of his officers have been accused of sexual crimes? How many fake encounters did he manage to get himself gallantry medal? You should dig deep and do your own research------wikipedia is not research its hearsay

The acts of impropriety has nothing to do with an officer's caste. What is the guarantee that Gen. Singh never resorted to any immoral act in his lifetime. As we are not insiders, we should not be so passionately making sweeping remarks about X,Y or Z just because of their caste credentials. I think, it is not fair to paint the whole Punjabi community black just because a few of them are bad. There are good people and bad people in every community. So, let us not give it a caste colour. The matter may be discussed on merit instead of making caste a parameter.

 

[anilsangwan]

वैसे अगर एक साल पहलाम retire हो जगा जरनल साब तो के पहाड़ टूट जागा.... न्यू तो स ना आक कारगिल की लडाई चाल री स आर इसके बिना देश खतरे में स......... आगले भाई ने मौका दे किसे ने ...... इज्जत तो उसी में स...... लेकिन शायद जरनल साब पक्का राजनीति में आवेगा ........ लाल बत्ती आर रोब का कसूता चस्का बताया इसके.... इनके गाम बपोड़ा का भाई बतावे था ( इनके कुनबे / परिवार का था) एक आक .. शायद MLA / MP का इलेक्शन लड़े retire हो के .... हो सके स यो सारा खेल प्रसिद्धि पावन का आर लोग्गा की शाहनुभूति लेवन का खेल हो.......... ज्युकर पूर्व खेल मंत्री गिल आईयएस retire हो के भी राजनीती में घुसा था..... राजनीति में घुसना कोए गलत बात कोणी..... लेकिन सही टाइम पे सही पार्टी में एंट्री मारेगा जब कामयाब होगा....... न तो ये छुटभैये नेता इसके कुड़ते पाड़ लेंगे .......

 

[singhvp]

Highly offensive and provocative statement, I think. This is a blatant attack on democracy. This aggressive hostility and abusive language towards people of different stream of thought would, perhaps, become the biggest reason for BJP's debacle in the forthcoming election. I think you are not mindful of a sizable chunk of peace-loving mediocrity that is firm believer in the democratic values. You are simply offending them. How can one convince them to vote for a party whose academia and think tanks like Vikas Gulia start exhorting philistinism and muscular ways to wrest political power rather than winning the hearts of electorates. Please have faith in secret ballot which is the mainstay of our democracy.


१) जब पंजाब में अकालियाँ की मेजोरिटी सरकार गिरा के ने कांग्रेस ने आपनी सरकार बनाई ,जब लोकतंतर कित जार्या था ? जिसके फलसवरूप खालिस्तान आन्दोलन शुरू होया था |
२) जब हरयाणा में चोधरी देवीलाल की मेजोरिटी होयें पाछे भी इंदिरा ने भजनलाल की कान्ग्रेस्सी सरकार बनवाई ,जब लोकतंतर कित जार्या था ?
३) यु भारत का गृह मंन्त्री जो चुनाव अधिकारी ताहीं रिश्वत दे के ने २८०० वोटां तें हारें पाछे भी जित्या होड़ दिखा के ने देश पे लट्ठ बजान लाग्र्या अर आज ताहि कोर्ट ने एक भी सुनवाई ना करी स ,ते इब्ब न्यू बताओ अक लोकतंत्र कित जार्या स ?
४ ) जब अन्ना शान्ति पूरवक आन्दोलन करे था जब उनको जेल में गेर दिया ते लोक तंतर कित जार्या था ?
५) जब आधी रात ने सोंदे होए स्त्याग्र्हियाँ पे इस गृह मंत्री ने लाठी भ्न्ज्वाई थी जब लोकतंत्र कित जार्या था ?
६) जब बाबरी मस्जिद गेरी थी जब पांच राज्यों की संवेधानिक भाजपा की सरकार कान्ग्रेसियाँ ने भंग करी थी जब लोकतंतर कित जार्या था ?


और इब्बे बाकी स |


---- सद- भावनाओं सहित |

हम यह नहीं कह रहे के ये दूध के धुले आर पवित्र आत्मा हैं I बिलकुल नहीं I सारे उलटे सीधे काम करते हैं, परन्तु इनको वोट मिलते हैं और इसीलिये इनको मौका मिलता है ये गलत काम करने का I आप लोगों को समझाइये कि अच्छे और इमानदार लोगों को चुनें , यही कहने का अभिप्राय है I ग़दर (mutiny ) और हुडदंग के द्वारा प्राप्त की गई सत्ता कभी स्थाई और प्रगतिशील नहीं हो सकती I जनतंत्र और मतदाता के अधिकार को जिंदा रखना ही होगा I

 

[malikdeepak1]

वैसे अगर एक साल पहलाम retire हो जगा जरनल साब तो के पहाड़ टूट जागा....

Ke bera aagle ke 1 saal me 2 increment laagte ho bhai?? pilsan or batti ban jaagi manas ki! VK Singh ke khud ke anusar usne pahle ye baat isliye nahi uthayi kyuki agar wo ye baat pahle bta deta to uski promotion nahi hoti. Ya sachayi ki khujli Army Chief bane pichhe badi hoyi :boxing:

 

[fateh]

Sir,

I am hardly that good a person to bother about people I personally don't know. As a member, I just want, in my own self-interest, an environment of free and fair discussion. My request to you is coming from that self-interest.

As I said earlier, you may feel strongly that Mr. X doesn't have the requisite experience to speak on the matter. But if you post anything on a social forum, you do open yourself to questions and comments from all and sundry, many of who won't match your expectations. You may also feel that Mr. X has some hidden agenda in posting what he did (to be honest, I too feel that with respect to some members). But what can be done about it? The post can only be judged on its content, and not anyone's feelings. If you don't trust me, you can show that post to anyone you trust and I expect a reasonable mind to give you the same viewpoint.

As for the "warning" post, it is gone now as you wished. You may keep the said person in your bad books on that account. But it doesn't help anyone if matters from virtual world are taken to the real world. Not only it doesn't befit a person of your stature, it also vitiates the atmosphere here. I don't think you would want that given the interests of the community that you always have in mind. Rest is upto you, I don't have anything more to say on this matter.

Regards

Dear, you may be knowing reality about the intention of ssg but I feel as Iwrote, In any case why the author of the post is keeping quite if he didnot mean for which I have accused him, you will agree that no one how weak or small he/she is, will accept insulting behaviour, since jatland is siding such goons and mods donot accept even messages and their actions are biased so what is alternative left with me except facing the warning in real life, result may be any, Fronkly speaking I am finding details as to how I can go against the mods concern and may be the forum itself, because of injustice to me, The photo coppies of posts in question including mine are under consideration for further action, jat land or some mod has already issued warning to me for banning, they cannot do more than that, but others are not fools, what a joke I am insulted and I only get the warning of the mod, I am confident that one day the details of goons will reach to me.Any way thanks for your reply please, Further, Brother, is autmosphere on jat land, unity etc only applicable to me, donnot you think the initiator has demaged more and not relizing now also,,

 

[ravinderjeet]

हम यह नहीं कह रहे के ये दूध के धुले आर पवित्र आत्मा हैं I बिलकुल नहीं I सारे उलटे सीधे काम करते हैं, परन्तु इनको वोट मिलते हैं और इसीलिये इनको मौका मिलता है ये गलत काम करने का I आप लोगों को समझाइये कि अच्छे और इमानदार लोगों को चुनें , यही कहने का अभिप्राय है I ग़दर (mutiny ) और हुडदंग के द्वारा प्राप्त की गई सत्ता कभी स्थाई और प्रगतिशील नहीं हो सकती I जनतंत्र और मतदाता के अधिकार को जिंदा रखना ही होगा I

यु कोए जबाब ना होया ,न्यू खामखाँ की पोस्ट पे पोस्ट में भी घशीट सकूँ सूं |

 

[fateh]

The acts of impropriety has nothing to do with an officer's caste. What is the guarantee that Gen. Singh never resorted to any immoral act in his lifetime. As we are not insiders, we should not be so passionately making sweeping remarks about X,Y or Z just because of their caste credentials. I think, it is not fair to paint the whole Punjabi community black just because a few of them are bad. There are good people and bad people in every community. So, let us not give it a caste colour. The matter may be discussed on merit instead of making caste a parameter.

VP JI, you are also not seems to know the reality brother, army suffered kj singh and every body knows about vikaram and dear it is manmohan who managed first time a sikh as CAOS, THERE ARE MANY SERIOUS THINGS WHICH i AM NOT MAKING PUBLIC, wHO SAYS SIKHS ARE NOT CAPABLE BUT VIKARAM IS NOT FOR THE POST,