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Army chief Gen. VK Singh DOB dispute
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The SC has commented ' "Commitment must be honoured even if it is not your actual date of birth," the SC said and made it clear that his plea on date of birth is "bonafide".'
You can very well see it that it looks like a sort of agreement between the General and the Government. To pass on such a bald statement that he lost his credibility is bsaeless.
You can very well see it that it looks like a sort of agreement between the General and the Government. To pass on such a bald statement that he lost his credibility is bsaeless.
Very true, Govt of India does not have any good system in place for DOB, Passort DOB, High school DOB, Ration crd DOB. Andher Nagri Chaupatt raja. And govt say accept which one is correct.
Yesterday evening I was listening to a discussion on the subject at probably news hour, I was pained to see how the civilian participents and the enchor were airing totally biased views, I think govt is blindly all out to push its decision through and show to the public that justice, principles, trueth etc are nothing but govt wish is more important and suprime, they were trying their best to avoide the real issue and blaming thr Gen for lowering the immage of the post, where as no body mentioned any thing about the responsibility of the govt and the justice, I donot say that Gen is totally free from responsibility but I think Govt is more responsible, Now some people say that gen accepted his DOB OF 1950, i ASK THEM IS IT BANIA KI SHOP WHERE THEY DECIDED ABOUT THE dob them selves, niether the govt nor the individual here general can take such decision and if they have taken it is totally illegal, for existance of two DOBs in the record both parties and the govt more responsible. What ever has happened is not good but atlist now the court, govt and vk singh must act properly, There is record available in police station and with CMO about BIRTH, WHY CANNOT GOVT OR GENERAL GET THE SAME AND PUT IT TO THE COURT or take final decision.
The SC has commented ' "Commitment must be honoured even if it is not your actual date of birth," the SC said and made it clear that his plea on date of birth is "bonafide".'
You can very well see it that it looks like a sort of agreement between the General and the Government. To pass on such a bald statement that he lost his credibility is bsaeless.
Sir,
Settlement could have been done earlier, I see no point in first filing a case and later withdrawing it under the govt's pressure. In my opinion he has lost his "Credibility".
I respect your view on it but I do not agree to it
Regards
Prikshit
ravinderjeet
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आखिर जात दिखा दी ,रण छोड़ दिया |
vikrantchodhary
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SC ruling should be condemned.
drrajpalsingh
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Now the matter stands settled; hence let us move to other threads being discussed.
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CASE 1- Kasab shooting Indians, covered live on national TV- time taken to bring him to justice ? Two years already passed and no end visible.
CASE 2 - A complicated matter involving beaurocracy, politics, Army Chief- time taken to close the case ? Precisely two hearings..
Judicial system requires a serious introspection !!!
CASE 1- Kasab shooting Indians, covered live on national TV- time taken to bring him to justice ? Two years already passed and no end visible.
CASE 2 - A complicated matter involving beaurocracy, politics, Army Chief- time taken to close the case ? Precisely two hearings..
Judicial system requires a serious introspection !!!
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Judicial system requires a serious introspection !!!
The judiciary has given its decision already. After the special trial they shouldnt be allowed to move to HC or other court. There are some other terrorists who appealed to president and not decision being made for years. The law should be amended on this appeal process and a timeline should be set. its the legislative body who need to work on it.
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anilsangwan
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The judiciary has given its decision already. After the special trial they shouldnt be allowed to move to HC or other court. There are some other terrorists who appealed to president and not decision being made for years. The law should be amended on this appeal process and a timeline should be set. its the legislative body who need to work on it.
अपील वाली कुर्सी पर जो ताई बैठी है.... वा सोनिया गाँधी के बिना चूँ भी कोणी करे........तो यो सारा कसाब आर अफज़ल गुरु या फेर और कोए... इन सब की mercy petition पे असली फैसला इटली आली ब्लोंड का होना स.......... मुस्लिम vote चाह्हिये कांग्रेस ने......
एर हाँ.... या जो ताई स महाराष्ट्र आली... इसका छोरा एम् एल अ स महारष्ट्र में ...... काल परसों लोकल बोड़ीज़ इलेक्शन में एक करोड़ रपिये बाँट-ता पकड़ा गया स.... ... लूटन लाग रे सें देश ने....... ताई हो चाहे इटली आली ब्लोंड ......या उसका जीजी से मुह आला राजकुमार......
जिस दिन समझ गया देश.... उस दिन भाजना पड़ेगा इन ने .... एर इन ने बेरा स इस बात का.... ज्यां मारी इ तो विदेशी बैंक में ढेर लगा राख्य स पीस्याँ का....
I foresee that day is not far when the whole gandhi (gandi infact)family would be ousted from country or kept in jail life long.अपील वाली कुर्सी पर जो ताई बैठी है.... वा सोनिया गाँधी के बिना चूँ भी कोणी करे........तो यो सारा कसाब आर अफज़ल गुरु या फेर और कोए... इन सब की mercy petition पे असली फैसला इटली आली ब्लोंड का होना स.......... मुस्लिम vote चाह्हिये कांग्रेस ने......
एर हाँ.... या जो ताई स महाराष्ट्र आली... इसका छोरा एम् एल अ स महारष्ट्र में ...... काल परसों लोकल बोड़ीज़ इलेक्शन में एक करोड़ रपिये बाँट-ता पकड़ा गया स.... ... लूटन लाग रे सें देश ने....... ताई हो चाहे इटली आली ब्लोंड ......या उसका जीजी से मुह आला राजकुमार......
जिस दिन समझ गया देश.... उस दिन भाजना पड़ेगा इन ने .... एर इन ने बेरा स इस बात का.... ज्यां मारी इ तो विदेशी बैंक में ढेर लगा राख्य स पीस्याँ का....
a) While applying for NDA, he filled his year of birth 50, his mistake, even carelessness of his father.
b) How was he allowed to enter NDA, IMA and pass out, without origional certificate of matric, AHQ and Govt at fault.
c) On reciept of matric certificate, VK Singh got his DOB corrected in AGs branch, AGs BRANCH WAS SUPPOSED TO TAKE FURTHER NECESSARY ACTION TO CORRECTED HIS DOB, AT ALL REQUIRED PLACES/BRANCHES BUT IT TOTALLY FAILED TO DO SO AND MS branch KEPT ON MAITAINING 1950.
d) MS branch kept on publishing his DOB as 1950 in all lists but niether AGs branch nor VK singh bothered to get it corrected, bot parties at fault.
e) After 30 years, VK singh wokeup to get it corrected with MS branch but MS branch refused saying as per DSR, DOB cannot be changed after three years of service, here MS branch was totally at fault because, the DOB was already changed with in the period allowed by the DSR, it was internal broblem of the AHQ to settle.
f) In 2006 and 2008 before his promotion to the rank of Maj Gen and Lt Gen, he was asked by the AUTHORITY TO SUBMIT UNDERTAKING THAT HE accepts is DOB as 1950, totally illegal, illogical and wrong on the part of Govt and AHQ, IT ALSO SHOWS THAT THE AUTHORITY WAS COVERING THEIR MISTAKE of maintaining two DOB ABOUT THE OFFICER. fURTHER, it is not understood as to how he gave such undertaking, why he accepted wrong thing And if accepted than he should have honoured his commitment irrespective of any loss, where were his morals/respect etc than?
g) In view of the above, Gen should have kept quite or atlist should have avoided going public and might have spoken to the Deffence Minister to settle the case, here he is at fault.
h) 20 MPs of his caste (Rajput) met PM in his favour which was biggest his mistake, probably went against him .
i) Gernediers Association filing PIL in SC, WAS ALSO NOT CORRECT ACTION, and went against him.
j) Beaurecacy also failed to settle the case, infact they are more responsible for all failures and ellegal decisions/actions and maintainence of records.
k) Even Deffence Minister and PM, failed to act properly.
For the info of members earlier also Govt faulted more seriously but those officers didnot go to court/public, for example Gen Rajender singhji, was offered the post of COAS, to supersed Gen CARIAPA, but Gen Rajender singhji refused desplaying examplary moral character, Gen Bhagat was not made chief by giving extention to Gen Bewboor, and Gen Sinaha was suerseded, Both these officers were examplary, deserving and wronged by the Govt but they didnot got to court/public. I feel Gen VK SHOULD HAVE AVOIDED TO GO TO COURT BUT HAVING GONE (WRONG OR WRIGHT) should not have done settlement and must have faced the judgement or at list should have resigned after the directions of the court, He is a very good officer and a person but lost his immage, more by his last decision of settlement, he will repent later.
By this episode lot of demage has been done to the immage of both the Army as well as the Govt also it has demaged the morale of Defence Forces and their confidence in the Govt, More or less both parties are looser and both are at fault/responsible.
b) How was he allowed to enter NDA, IMA and pass out, without origional certificate of matric, AHQ and Govt at fault.
c) On reciept of matric certificate, VK Singh got his DOB corrected in AGs branch, AGs BRANCH WAS SUPPOSED TO TAKE FURTHER NECESSARY ACTION TO CORRECTED HIS DOB, AT ALL REQUIRED PLACES/BRANCHES BUT IT TOTALLY FAILED TO DO SO AND MS branch KEPT ON MAITAINING 1950.
d) MS branch kept on publishing his DOB as 1950 in all lists but niether AGs branch nor VK singh bothered to get it corrected, bot parties at fault.
e) After 30 years, VK singh wokeup to get it corrected with MS branch but MS branch refused saying as per DSR, DOB cannot be changed after three years of service, here MS branch was totally at fault because, the DOB was already changed with in the period allowed by the DSR, it was internal broblem of the AHQ to settle.
f) In 2006 and 2008 before his promotion to the rank of Maj Gen and Lt Gen, he was asked by the AUTHORITY TO SUBMIT UNDERTAKING THAT HE accepts is DOB as 1950, totally illegal, illogical and wrong on the part of Govt and AHQ, IT ALSO SHOWS THAT THE AUTHORITY WAS COVERING THEIR MISTAKE of maintaining two DOB ABOUT THE OFFICER. fURTHER, it is not understood as to how he gave such undertaking, why he accepted wrong thing And if accepted than he should have honoured his commitment irrespective of any loss, where were his morals/respect etc than?
g) In view of the above, Gen should have kept quite or atlist should have avoided going public and might have spoken to the Deffence Minister to settle the case, here he is at fault.
h) 20 MPs of his caste (Rajput) met PM in his favour which was biggest his mistake, probably went against him .
i) Gernediers Association filing PIL in SC, WAS ALSO NOT CORRECT ACTION, and went against him.
j) Beaurecacy also failed to settle the case, infact they are more responsible for all failures and ellegal decisions/actions and maintainence of records.
k) Even Deffence Minister and PM, failed to act properly.
For the info of members earlier also Govt faulted more seriously but those officers didnot go to court/public, for example Gen Rajender singhji, was offered the post of COAS, to supersed Gen CARIAPA, but Gen Rajender singhji refused desplaying examplary moral character, Gen Bhagat was not made chief by giving extention to Gen Bewboor, and Gen Sinaha was suerseded, Both these officers were examplary, deserving and wronged by the Govt but they didnot got to court/public. I feel Gen VK SHOULD HAVE AVOIDED TO GO TO COURT BUT HAVING GONE (WRONG OR WRIGHT) should not have done settlement and must have faced the judgement or at list should have resigned after the directions of the court, He is a very good officer and a person but lost his immage, more by his last decision of settlement, he will repent later.
By this episode lot of demage has been done to the immage of both the Army as well as the Govt also it has demaged the morale of Defence Forces and their confidence in the Govt, More or less both parties are looser and both are at fault/responsible.
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vikda
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Thank you Sir for summing it up...I totally agree to this.
a) While applying for NDA, he filled his year of birth 50, his mistake, even carelessness of his father.
b) How was he allowed to enter NDA, IMA and pass out, without origional certificate of matric, AHQ and Govt at fault.
c) On reciept of matric certificate, VK Singh got his DOB corrected in AGs branch, AGs BRANCH WAS SUPPOSED TO TAKE FURTHER NECESSARY ACTION TO CORRECTED HIS DOB, AT ALL REQUIRED PLACES/BRANCHES BUT IT TOTALLY FAILED TO DO SO AND MS branch KEPT ON MAITAINING 1950.
d) MS branch kept on publishing his DOB as 1950 in all lists but niether AGs branch nor VK singh bothered to get it corrected, bot parties at fault.
e) After 30 years, VK singh wokeup to get it corrected with MS branch but MS branch refused saying as per DSR, DOB cannot be changed after three years of service, here MS branch was totally at fault because, the DOB was already changed with in the period allowed by the DSR, it was internal broblem of the AHQ to settle.
f) In 2006 and 2008 before his promotion to the rank of Maj Gen and Lt Gen, he was asked by the AUTHORITY TO SUBMIT UNDERTAKING THAT HE accepts is DOB as 1950, totally illegal, illogical and wrong on the part of Govt and AHQ, IT ALSO SHOWS THAT THE AUTHORITY WAS COVERING THEIR MISTAKE of maintaining two DOB ABOUT THE OFFICER. fURTHER, it is not understood as to how he gave such undertaking, why he accepted wrong thing And if accepted than he should have honoured his commitment irrespective of any loss, where were his morals/respect etc than?
g) In view of the above, Gen should have kept quite or atlist should have avoided going public and might have spoken to the Deffence Minister to settle the case, here he is at fault.
h) 20 MPs of his caste (Rajput) met PM in his favour which was biggest his mistake, probably went against him .
i) Gernediers Association filing PIL in SC, WAS ALSO NOT CORRECT ACTION, and went against him.
j) Beaurecacy also failed to settle the case, infact they are more responsible for all failures and ellegal decisions/actions and maintainence of records.
k) Even Deffence Minister and PM, failed to act properly.
For the info of members earlier also Govt faulted more seriously but those officers didnot go to court/public, for example Gen Rajender singhji, was offered the post of COAS, to supersed Gen CARIAPA, but Gen Rajender singhji refused desplaying examplary moral character, Gen Bhagat was not made chief by giving extention to Gen Bewboor, and Gen Sinaha was suerseded, Both these officers were examplary, deserving and wronged by the Govt but they didnot got to court/public. I feel Gen VK SHOULD HAVE AVOIDED TO GO TO COURT BUT HAVING GONE (WRONG OR WRIGHT) should not have done settlement and must have faced the judgement or at list should have resigned after the directions of the court, He is a very good officer and a person but lost his immage, more by his last decision of settlement, he will repent later.
By this appisod lot of demage has been done to the immage of both the Army as well as the Govt also it has demaged the morale of Defence Forces and their confidence in the Govt, More or less both parties are looser and both are at fault/responsible.
a) While applying for NDA, he filled his year of birth 50, his mistake, even carelessness of his father.
b) How was he allowed to enter NDA, IMA and pass out, without origional certificate of matric, AHQ and Govt at fault.
c) On reciept of matric certificate, VK Singh got his DOB corrected in AGs branch, AGs BRANCH WAS SUPPOSED TO TAKE FURTHER NECESSARY ACTION TO CORRECTED HIS DOB, AT ALL REQUIRED PLACES/BRANCHES BUT IT TOTALLY FAILED TO DO SO AND MS branch KEPT ON MAITAINING 1950.
d) MS branch kept on publishing his DOB as 1950 in all lists but niether AGs branch nor VK singh bothered to get it corrected, bot parties at fault.
e) After 30 years, VK singh wokeup to get it corrected with MS branch but MS branch refused saying as per DSR, DOB cannot be changed after three years of service, here MS branch was totally at fault because, the DOB was already changed with in the period allowed by the DSR, it was internal broblem of the AHQ to settle.
f) In 2006 and 2008 before his promotion to the rank of Maj Gen and Lt Gen, he was asked by the AUTHORITY TO SUBMIT UNDERTAKING THAT HE accepts is DOB as 1950, totally illegal, illogical and wrong on the part of Govt and AHQ, IT ALSO SHOWS THAT THE AUTHORITY WAS COVERING THEIR MISTAKE of maintaining two DOB ABOUT THE OFFICER. fURTHER, it is not understood as to how he gave such undertaking, why he accepted wrong thing And if accepted than he should have honoured his commitment irrespective of any loss, where were his morals/respect etc than?
g) In view of the above, Gen should have kept quite or atlist should have avoided going public and might have spoken to the Deffence Minister to settle the case, here he is at fault.
h) 20 MPs of his caste (Rajput) met PM in his favour which was biggest his mistake, probably went against him .
i) Gernediers Association filing PIL in SC, WAS ALSO NOT CORRECT ACTION, and went against him.
j) Beaurecacy also failed to settle the case, infact they are more responsible for all failures and ellegal decisions/actions and maintainence of records.
k) Even Deffence Minister and PM, failed to act properly.
For the info of members earlier also Govt faulted more seriously but those officers didnot go to court/public, for example Gen Rajender singhji, was offered the post of COAS, to supersed Gen CARIAPA, but Gen Rajender singhji refused desplaying examplary moral character, Gen Bhagat was not made chief by giving extention to Gen Bewboor, and Gen Sinaha was suerseded, Both these officers were examplary, deserving and wronged by the Govt but they didnot got to court/public. I feel Gen VK SHOULD HAVE AVOIDED TO GO TO COURT BUT HAVING GONE (WRONG OR WRIGHT) should not have done settlement and must have faced the judgement or at list should have resigned after the directions of the court, He is a very good officer and a person but lost his immage, more by his last decision of settlement, he will repent later.
By this episode lot of demage has been done to the immage of both the Army as well as the Govt also it has demaged the morale of Defence Forces and their confidence in the Govt, More or less both parties are looser and both are at fault/responsible.
Govt. was adamant from the beginning, the did what they were claiming from day one. They didn't lose anything, loss occured to V K singh's credibility and moral of the Indian Army.
Donot you think that the Govt have really lost its immage, isnot public feeling bad on the Govt and even on the congress party also the defence services loosing faith/confidence in the govt and even morale of defence services is a great loss of the govt and even the nation. I also feel that govt has lost its creditibility in the eyes of judiciary also.The govt is really exposed on its maitaining double DOB FOR SUCH A LONG TIME, elligal agreement with Gen VK Singh, asking AGs branch to amend the Dob where SC directed to withdraw the letters and its poor administration of records and even the justice, friend COAS going to court itself is a great loss of the Govt. I think in long run the govt & the congress party will be loosing more.More over, it is my perception please.
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rajpaldular
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जनरल वीके सिहं साहब !
सोच क्या रहे हो???
ये लोकत्रान्तिक कुत्ते भौकतेँ ही रहेगेँ.
कर दीजिये तख्ता पलट.
सैन्य शासन मंजुर है हमेँ.
एक हिटलर,नेपोलियन कि दरकार है भारत को.
सोच क्या रहे हो???
ये लोकत्रान्तिक कुत्ते भौकतेँ ही रहेगेँ.
कर दीजिये तख्ता पलट.
सैन्य शासन मंजुर है हमेँ.
एक हिटलर,नेपोलियन कि दरकार है भारत को.
As per media reports, two dates of his birth are existing in his record since begganing, without going into the long story, why Govt and Army HQ COULDNOT TAKE ACTION TILL HE BECAME CHIEF, it is nothing but to adust Bikaram singh a sikh officer, unfortunately this is second incapable sikh officer who will occupy the chair due to Manmohan singh
As I SUBMITTED ABOVE, THE MAIN REASON IS TO PROMOTE MAXIMUM SIKH OFFICERS AS CHIEF AND THE MAIN BRAIN/FORCE BEHIND THIS COMMUNAL ACT IS MR MANMOHAN SINGH,
Please read writ patition filed by Admiral Ram Das, an eye opening
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pmalhan
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The only silver lining of this episode is that the next officer in line for chief after Bikramjit singh is Lt Gen Dalbir Singh Suhag
The only silver lining of this episode is that the next officer in line for chief after Bikramjit singh is Lt Gen Dalbir Singh Suhag
Hope he remains safe till the day, I do not know about his date of birth and service left, so can not comment but can sincerely wish that he takes over after this khalsa