Arrest warrant against Mahendra Singh Tikait

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Dear All,

I have been closely following the events at Village Sisauli as also the comments by respected members. I am sorry, I beg to differ. How can we have such extreme views in these times? JATS are supposed to be, and are, people with a lot of ‘Kudrati Dimag’ or what one calls wisdom. What did you all expect Mr Tikait to do? Turn his village into a fortress and beat back the law enforcing agencies, ensuring bloodshed of innocents people. Can we be a little more sensitive please?

In democracy it is the rule of the majority and Ms Mayawati is CM because she got the JAT Vote of Western UP. Yes, she cares two hoots as she knows she can take a higher moral ground on this particular issue. The laws of the land debar any one from referring to Harijans by their caste. Just because Harijans in the villages bear the insults of some landlords doesn’t mean even Ms Mayawati will bear the same. The stupidity of Mr Tikait is by now well known to most of us but that is another issue. I am happy that he surrendered and saved innocent lives.

Why can't we start treating others with a little more understanding? We are lucky to be born in families and do not face this unending daily humiliation in the villages like the SC/ST. Times are changing and other communities are making progress. I have said this umpteen times on this portal that the JAT community is perhaps blessed with the best qualities by God Almighty but we always end up disadvantaged because of our behavior. There are too many issues that have led us in this predicament and those have been discussed ‘n’ number of times. But we will never understand and that’s the tragedy.

I hope the Generation Next is more understanding and would adopt an all inconclusive approach towards the disadvantaged, from own community or otherwise.

Warm regards,

JS Malik
 
jagmohan said:
Dear All,
In democracy it is the rule of the majority and Ms Mayawati is CM because she got the JAT Vote of Western UP. Yes, she cares two hoots as she knows she can take a higher moral ground on this particular issue. The laws of the land debar any one from referring to Harijans by their caste. Just because Harijans in the villages bear the insults of some landlords doesn’t mean even Ms Mayawati will bear the same. The stupidity of Mr Tikait is by now well known to most of us but that is another issue. I am happy that he surrendered and saved innocent lives.
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Sir, i agree to the fact that one should not call other by their caste and forget about the law but even on moral grounds one should not refer Harijans as harijans(But nothing wrong in it as that is what they are).

But why are thr double standards? When Mayawati goes out in elections her main trump card is "Dalit ki beti", i think terms like Harijan, Bahujan are the most commen words that she uses. It is not people like Tikait or other politicians who do this differentiation so openly but people like Mayawati, now when someone calls them with the name they use so often they have an issue to it?

Also, i appreciate that Tikait accepted to surrender in Muzzafarnagar today avoiding the bloodshed but why such a delay in taking this decision? The reason stated was that public didn't want him to surrender but the public has not even agreed now, they are calling Mayawati with what he called her then why onlty Tikait being made the target?

How fair is it for Mayawati to deploy 10000 Jawans for one man, converting the whole village into a 'chavni'?
 
Nope!!

I read one of the Jagran articles(linked provided in a few thread above this one) in which he declared "Ab chahe top chalva do humaae upper main surrender nahi karunga...main mere charo betya ki kurbaani de dunga magar jhukunga nahi" and etc etc. Maka faaltu ka phannekha kyun bano so aap(Mr Taikat) jib baski konya koi baat...aav dekhya na taav er chaal diye banan Hitler. Hum pahad tod denge hum Aasmaan cheer denge... ek sui chub gi er ro pade.

Arey, think about your supporters...people are backing you with all their heart and you want to bow down. Okay! Shame is not in bowing down too, but shame is in telling "Mayawati is a beti" n all that crap. Beti sei te ghara bula ke batha le sofe pe...ugh! He could have simply said...I am not sorry but yes I will surrender and should have gone and surrendered himself to the police.

Leaders are supposed to lead by examples and not by confusion. Anyways...such leaders are born in the sense that they inherit not the inherent qualities but the status. Even if you are a dunderhead you will be made a leader. Silly that is. Govinda ki ek picture ka gaana tha "It Happens Only in India..." Waahe baat sei kati.

Anyways...Malik Sir, do you think a bloodshed would have happened anyway? I do not think so.

Thanks,
Sumit

jagmohan said:
Dear All,
What did you all expect Mr Tikait to do? Turn his village into a fortress and beat back the law enforcing agencies, ensuring bloodshed of innocents people. Can we be a little more sensitive please?


Warm regards,
JS Malik
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total rajneetee

Lok Dal kee meeting me pahalee bat tikait ka jane ka kaya matlab tha fir jab aap stage par hai to uskee gareema ka bhee khyal aap ko rakhna chahieye or agar aap kuch kah bhee gaye to uske sambhalne kee bhee shaktee aap me honee chahiye.

Mulayam sing Yadav apnee gotee sekne me lag gayaa.........congress bee baat dekh rahee hai apnee baree kee.

Tikait Harendra Malik ke samne chup ho gaye maine TV me unke chehre par ghabrahat saaf dekhi thee........maya vati ke kee sarkaar me grah rajy mantri shree prakash jaiswaal bhee tikait ke paksh mei hee bole.

Or kuch nahee hota Maya wati bhee koi bawaal nahi chahtee thee agar tikait prkaran me koi bhee kisaan martaa to uskaa rajnitik jeewan usee samay samapt ho jata or bakee partiya bhee yahee chahtee thee isee liye tikait ko bhadka rahe the or uske paksh me bol rahe the?

Madam maya kee nigah ab PM kee kursee par hai or kabhee nahi chegee kee koi aisa kadam uthaana jisse waha khatm ho jaye.

mere khayal se MS Tikait ne jaldee kar dee............................,

netra....
 
I think, jo hua bura hi hua.... Tikait Ji surrender jarur karna chahiye tha as he had made a mistake and accepting a mistake is act of bravery! Lekin, at the same time, he should not have taken his words back.... Mayavati ko beti kehna to sab se galat hua. As sumit rightly said, what about sentiments of people those who were ready to sacrifice their lives for him? Sochney waali baat hai.... Mujhe toh lagta hai... iss poorey drammey mein Maya ka rajnaitik kad aur badhh gaya :(
 
baliyanvijay said:
ek bhut purani kahavat han ki jasa boo ge vaisa katoge. same is the case with the mayavati as well. she only started haterd politics and now she is getting back the same. where were she when she used all kind of abusive language about the other cast. yadi vo tilak, taraju aur talvar ko char juta mar sakti han to koi bhi uske liya jati suchak even derogatory remark de sakta han. in fact it is the indication to mayavati that ether she should mold himself and should respect others otherwise vah din door nahi jab is des me civil war ho jayaga and that will be worse than Hindu-Muslim riots. i extend my full support to the Tiket.
come to the col. sahib point, sir u r right in some extent. however, i feel that it were the jats who, first time stood against the Muslim (Aurangzeb)fundamentalism and now , i hope, it will be the first revolt against the dalit fundamentalist like mayavati. sir, this incident does not mean that we underestimate mayavati though it is the answer to her fundamentalism. moreover, i am very happy about the progress of jats. i think we are doing well in every field. and i can say that u just take any field, jats (2.3%) are taking more than their share. this is the picture when we are excluding the other jats brothers (Muslims and Sikhs). i think jats have done lot for this country and with the grace of elders like you will do so in future as well. sir it is not the case that whether mayavati has been supperseed Ajit Sing and M. S. Tiket rather question is whether they should oppose her fundamentalism or not. we all are aware that in democracy only head count and , in Western UP, demography is not in jats' favor and if they use money and muscle to grab the power then they again become the suppressor and exploiter. so it is not the fault of Ajit Sing and Tiket though it is the time that has put down them. this act also justify the meaning of jats that JAT= Just Action for Truth.

'IF FUNDAMENTALISM IS ENEMY THEN IT IS A CRIME NOT TO FIGHT WITH IT'.​
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our law helps her to take her all liberties against any cas system but when the offended cast calls the offending ppl by theirs names prevalling from centuries they will be hanged on the pretext of human rights and ethical responses ..... only god can help such a nation where a chamar/chuda/bhanghi cant be called so but at the same time we the superior casts can be offered rotten leather on our face and even election commission can not dare to speak the DIFFERENT .
... reason politics .... wish JATS STOP this all from the movement ...

wishi was a mass JAT leader as on date ... would have taken things to extreme .... hoestly speaking not a bad option commercially also
 
This is what Times of India has also observed:

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Tikait not only gave up after resisting police action for being booked under SC/ST Atrocities Act, he went to the extent of saying, "Mayawati is like my daughter". A stock peacemaking phrase, it might rarely have been used by a Jat for a dalit in western UP.[/FONT]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Maya_humbles_Tikait_in_UPs_war_of_nerves/articleshow/2921386.cms



trueblueindian said:
very sorry to hear developmets in this case ....... muh mei guh le liya tikait nae
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Should not have used his tiny jat brain

Now all the newspapers/channels are using words like DRAMA, sommersault, anti-climax etc for our leader. He not only made a hasty decision but also did not tried to encashed it.

# Should have delayed his surrender for few hours as the hearing on stay order was pending the same day in Allahabad High Court.

# Should have made a lot of noise that he is surrendering because he do not want bloodshed and a civil war kind of situation thereafter

# Should have projected it as an attack on Poor FARMERS and not himself.

He just lost the oppurtunity by not playing the media well and so did Ajit Singh, Engineer from USA.

I believe that Tikait just got bowled over by the arrest of his 2 sons. Also negotiators might have conveyed to him that he could be killed if the force has to enter the village. Later in the day he also claimed that police can kill him in a fake encounter.
 
jagmohan said:
Dear All,

I have been closely following the events at Village Sisauli as also the comments by respected members. I am sorry, I beg to differ. How can we have such extreme views in these times? JATS are supposed to be, and are, people with a lot of ‘Kudrati Dimag’ or what one calls wisdom. What did you all expect Mr Tikait to do? Turn his village into a fortress and beat back the law enforcing agencies, ensuring bloodshed of innocents people. Can we be a little more sensitive please?

In democracy it is the rule of the majority and Ms Mayawati is CM because she got the JAT Vote of Western UP. Yes, she cares two hoots as she knows she can take a higher moral ground on this particular issue. The laws of the land debar any one from referring to Harijans by their caste. Just because Harijans in the villages bear the insults of some landlords doesn’t mean even Ms Mayawati will bear the same. The stupidity of Mr Tikait is by now well known to most of us but that is another issue. I am happy that he surrendered and saved innocent lives.

Why can't we start treating others with a little more understanding? We are lucky to be born in families and do not face this unending daily humiliation in the villages like the SC/ST. Times are changing and other communities are making progress. I have said this umpteen times on this portal that the JAT community is perhaps blessed with the best qualities by God Almighty but we always end up disadvantaged because of our behavior. There are too many issues that have led us in this predicament and those have been discussed ‘n’ number of times. But we will never understand and that’s the tragedy.

I hope the Generation Next is more understanding and would adopt an all inconclusive approach towards the disadvantaged, from own community or otherwise.

Warm regards,

JS Malik
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I agree with you Colonel Sahib in toto.

Jats of UP, need to get rid of this old and stale leadership and look for leadership with more tolerant and broader outlook, who doesnt make a issue of non issue and become a fool himself and try to embrace his community for his antics.

Moreover Mayawati had to act tough. She had to convey the message," if she couldn't protect her own honor being the CM of the largest state, how she could ensure the safety and honor of millions of followers"
 
vijay123 said:
This is what Times of India has also observed:

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Tikait not only gave up after resisting police action for being booked under SC/ST Atrocities Act, he went to the extent of saying, "Mayawati is like my daughter". A stock peacemaking phrase, it might rarely have been used by a Jat for a dalit in western UP.[/FONT]
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Vaise, technically speaking, the statement may not be far-fetched. Given the
landowner-labor dynamcis one has to wonder how many Dalits may actually have been fathered by Jats.

Ho sake sae Madam Chamari Ji sacchen beti jissi ho. Pher bhed-baah kissa?
 
Why exactly is "Dalit" any more respectable than "Chammar"? Don't really
understand what the fuss is all about?

Either the country should completely make reference to caste unlawful,
or people just should live with it. Pick any newpaper, and the most common
reference to caste is probably "Jat". How many times does one hear
"Bahman", "Bania" etc? A Jat leader is labelled as "The Jat leader XYZ" in the media but almost never have I come across "The Bahman leader XYZ"!

It seems the media loves to create some sort of phobia around Jats.

Anyways, given how things are I agree that Tikait should have
been smarter than to get into this mess, and given that he had got into
it there were a zillion ways to leverage it. The guy just missed out and came
a loser. Madam Chamaari Ji ne dho diya...
 
spdeshwal said:
I agree with you Colonel Sahib in toto.

Jats of UP, need to get rid of this old and stale leadership and look for leadership with more tolerant and broader outlook, who doesnt make a issue of non issue and become a fool himself and try to embrace his community for his antics.

Moreover Mayawati had to act tough. She had to convey the message," if she couldn't protect her own honor being the CM of the largest state, how she could ensure the safety and honor of millions of followers"
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He he he...leader tae saare Australia/US/UK mein ja baithe....eeb desh mein
kit tae pakad ke laavein?
 
shittt!!!!!!...again tikait has let us down:o why this person stop boasting and do n't have a check on his tongue if he doesn't have the dare to undergo the consequences.....
 
prashantacmet said:
shittt!!!!!!...again tikait has let us down:o why this person stop boasting and do n't have a check on his tongue if he doesn't have the dare to undergo the consequences.....
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Bhai

Tikait ku to tam dhanaure wale bhadia jano... aas paas ka mamla hai sisauli ka:p
 
desijat said:
Bhai

Tikait ku to tam dhanaure wale bhadia jano... aas paas ka mamla hai sisauli ka:p
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bhai chugaame waale to ghane pehle nyarre hath ke the........ pehlam ke main gathwaala,chaugama aur baalaan aale iski gail the(desh aale to kadhee gail hue hi na)....pehel gathwaali bhaaj ge fer chaugama aale.............arr eibb to baallan aale bhi 5-7 gaam hai aadhe-adkaal se..............iss koonger ne naas tai nyara kuch na karya............naass -pass ki to dekhi jaa...per yu thook ke chaatan aalu main tai hai....:o.........
 
Jats in rural India, have today to face a new reality. They are no longer the dominant force.

Jats comprise less than 2% of the population.

They are now rapidly, a community in decline and in transition to the city from rural India.

Those who stay in rural India, are faced with declining standards of living for themselves and their children- indeed many so called lower castes are better off, as they move to the city and get a better education and lifestyle for their kids.

Jats moving to the city, without money are in the same status as the lower caste laborers.

There is nothing for jats to crow about, and simply singing songs of past glories does not help- times have and are changing.

The old bonds of community will decline, as the city is a melting pot, and their children will lose their identity.

A leader from the jat community today has to appeal to a broader audience.

Tikhaitji did right to apologize- do not fight useless battles.

Our need is to concentrate on raising our community from the pits it is falling into.

Our community needs less bravdo and less chest thumping!!!

Its children need education and more education.

Ravi Chaudhary
 
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