being haryanvi

It's really a good topic to discuss. Usually people from same state talk with each other in their local language whether they belongs to north region like Punjab or from southern states . But people from Haryana, used hindi or English. Even some people are reluctant in telling that they belongs to Haryana. Many people says they belong to Delhi. These things more common in girls. Anybody, Please don't take last point personally. It's truth. People don't use haryanvi because they take haryanvi language as a symbol of backwardness.

When guys/girls get admission in some other state, they try to follow what they think will keep them popular and active in group. [ bakwas kati :mad: ]

Even when they meet some person from their own state (Haryana),
they will show that they don't know _A BIT_ of Haryanavi.
[ Haryana ka border par kr te hi , nu behave kare ge ... jukr une kade Haryana me pa tahi nahi rakha ]
[ It's true that some really don't know :) , unka bera chal ja s ]

Anyway ... I would say ... Be proud of who you're ... :) :rock
 
रै झकोई तन्ने बी शर्म आवे है के ....!!!
ये बात देसी में बी लिख सके था ............. :):tamatar

भाई आप के इस reply कि help से एक baat kahna चाहूँगा , वो ये कि ... one can choose any language to speak in ... only thing is don't hide your true identity ... :)

अर्र JL p ke sharmana s .. yade bhi koi sa sharmave ga to uska kuch na ho sakta ... kham kha yade apna tam kharab kar e s ... [ yo nu jukr apne ghara apni lugai te sharmata ho :p :p :p ] :)



p.s. :* Not a personal comment *
 
भाई तेरे भी जमा दुखती रग पे हाथ धर दें सै | :p

Jama sahi keh ra hai yaar......:):):)

रै झकोई तन्ने बी शर्म आवे है के ....!!!
ये बात देसी में बी लिख सके था ............. :):tamatar


Ravinder ji, here point is not that which language you are using rather point is that some people from haryana are reluctant in accepting their culture .Many have a feeling that now we are educated, we should avoid using Haryanvi. By doing so, they want to show advancement, well cultured behaviour. I never able to understand how a person become well cultured by leaving this mother tongue. Remember: I am not saying that start using harayanvi everywhere. Any language is fine. But never feel shame on your culture. I always feel proud on our culture and tradition.


aur rahe baat sarmane ne.....main jama ne sarmta.........ham institute main 5-6 log haryana tae(all are JAT) hai, sare appas main haryanvi main bolya kare:tamatar:tamatar
 
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aur rahe baat sarmane ne.....main jama ne sarmta.........ham institute main 5-6 log haryana tae(all are JAT) hai, sare appas main haryanvi main bolya kare:tamatar:tamatar

Mane to aade ek karnatak aale te haryanvi seekha di :p
Main bahar jau to nu bujhe se dyaki "kit ja se?" :rock:rock
 
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Now when people recognise me as a Jat, they stop...wait....n talk to me a lot and don't know how many came in my contacts.....even people praised a lot about Jats who are from haryana especially...though from different communities....So, this again makes me happy.

Rest, I don't get down into their hearts to search out the exact feelings/respect. I m just similar, the way other person behaves with me. :)

Neelam, you might be surrounded by very good friends. Generally people from other community feel something odd about us. People may praise any individual but rarely praise our whole community.
 
Neelam, you might be surrounded by very good friends. Generally people from other community feel something odd about us. People may praise any individual but rarely praise our whole community.

U r right, I met with many good people who really praised Jats....but I also had shared other views out of the experiences of my college days at some other thread.

One thing I know is that......it is in our hands, how we leave an impression on others. Even a single individual can develop/change the thoughts of others. Give and take rule applies here i.e. for respect.

So, everything is in the way of presentation.
 
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Jama sahi keh ra hai yaar......:):):)




Ravinder ji, here point is not that which language you are using rather point is that some people from haryana are reluctant in accepting their culture .Many have a feeling that now we are educated, we should avoid using Haryanvi.

bhai, chuleh me de de ise pade likhya nae:;
 
Jama sahi keh ra hai yaar......:):):)




Ravinder ji, here point is not that which language you are using rather point is that some people from haryana are reluctant in accepting their culture .Many have a feeling that now we are educated, we should avoid using Haryanvi. By doing so, they want to show advancement, well cultured behaviour. I never able to understand how a person become well cultured by leaving this mother tongue. Remember: I am not saying that start using harayanvi everywhere. Any language is fine. But never feel shame on your culture. I always feel proud on our culture and tradition.


aur rahe baat sarmane ne.....main jama ne sarmta.........ham institute main 5-6 log haryana tae(all are JAT) hai, sare appas main haryanvi main bolya kare:tamatar:tamatar

3nu baat jama sahi sa' ,aapna culture or aapni maa boli kade nahi bhulni chahiye,....chahe ANGREJI kitne b 'AMRIKAN' accent me bol lyo..!! :)
 
U r right, I met with many good people who really praised Jats....but I also had shared other views out of the experiences of my college days at some other thread.

One thing I know is that......it is in our hands, how we leave an impression on others. Even a single individual can develop/change the thoughts of others. Give and take rule applies here i.e. for respect.

So, everything is in the way of presentation.


Whatever you are saying is absolutely correct. 1st of all don't take my point personally. My statement was not regarding any individual. My point was if others does not much about individual qualities and he/she is a JAT then normally people have negative image about him/her. people normally don't praise JATs. that's truth.
 
found it interesting(copy-paste stuff):p:D





6) Dogs on street

Till a few years back, one could not dare to wear a jeans and go to a village because dogs would find you alien and chase you till end of village after which you are in boundary of another village with dogs waiting there too!. But last heard, dogs have started realizing the fashion trends.

Many more things about Haryana, come to my mind every now and then although I have been in Delhi since I was seven......Well nobody is from Delhi, Right!!!!!

Its so very True, it happened with me 2 years back, i use to work in a call center in gurgaon , and i decided to take my friends to my village for weekends as they had never seen a proper gaon. I was going to my village after almost an year and working in call center made me trendy too.So i was wearing a Worn out jeans , and had long hair, every thing went good until morning. Early morning when i had to go to jungle - paani:D, the street dogs started barking at me as soon as i came out from my house, they accompanied till the jordh and while coming back they did the same with me till my house in the village. then my bhabhi and chaachi saw me. they started commenting on my long hair and my torn clothes(jeans) trust me it was very embarrassing . .Ib teh gaam mein jaaney teh 2 din phela hi jhaam kat waaliya karoon arr us din paachhey itni sharam aayi ki saara trend wend chord diya :eek:..
 
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At your service arya ji

Is Haryanvi a Language?:E Joseph's contribution to Haryanavi Dialect.

E JOSEPH is to Haryanavi what Hermann Gundert is to Malayalam and William Carey to Bengali. They all wrote the first dictionaries in these languages. The question would naturally crop up: Is Haryanavi a language? If you read Joseph’s Haryanavi-English, English-Haryanavi Dictionary* which begins with the author’s ‘grammatical notes’, you will realise that Haryanavi has all the characteristics of a language.
Joseph was an extraordinary polyglot, proficient in many European and Indian languages. When he was posted as Deputy Commissioner of Rohtak district (1910-1912), he found great difficulty in understanding the language spoken by the people. He set about compiling Haryanavi words and giving their meaning in English. He also chose some commonly used English words and gave their meaning in Haryanavi. His attempt was to make the life of his successors at Rohtak easier.
Wherever he found difficulty in translating certain words which independently did not make sense but as part of a proverb made great sense, he gave a translation of the proverb itself. Angi (breast covering or bodies worn by married women) figures in the saying angi gail peti, man gail beti (A girl favours her mother as her bodice fits her bust).
Altogether, he compiled 200 proverbs many of which have gone out of vogue. The reader will, therefore, find the book a great treat. The dictionary is, as the subtitle mentions, A Lexical Presentation of Language, Lore and Life of Haryana.
Joseph’s labour had nearly gone waste as the manuscript had been gathering dust in the district records room of Rohtak when Prof K.C. Yadav, a friend of many years, stumbled upon it, edited and got it published last year under the aegis of the Haryana Institute of Public Administration, Gurgaon. It was released at the World Hindi Conference in New York last November. In Joseph’s time it was published as an article in the journal of the Asiatic Society of Bengal.
Though a century has passed since the ICS official compiled the dictionary, it remains the only one of its kind in Haryanavi literature. Such is the author’s command of the language that it is difficult to believe that he spent only two years in Rohtak, which at that time comprised Jhajjar, Sonepat and parts of Rewari.
His was not an easy task as Haryanavi differed from village to village. As Joseph says in his introduction: “The language spoken by the Rohtak Jats is called by themselves Jatu. One and the same language, with dialectical differences, almost imperceptible from village to village, is spoken throughout the Bangar or highlands lying between the Khadir of the Jamuna on the east and the Hisar-Sirsa tract on the west. The language is variously known in different parts as Bangaru, Jatu or Haryanavi. In Haryana it is called, appropriately enough, Deswali or Desari…”
Prof Yadav who edited the book has identified six variants of Hindi used in Haryana. They are Bangru, also called Jatu or Haryanavi. “It is a form of Western Hindi, influenced in its vocabulary by Khari Hindi, Urdu and at places even Punjabi. The other dialects are Ambalavi, spoken in the districts of Ambala and Panchkula; Braja, spoken in a limited area of Palwal tehsil in Faridabad district; Ahirwati, spoken in the districts of Rewari, Mahendragarh, a part of Gurgaon and a small part of Bhiwani; Mewati, spoken in the district of Mewat and some parts of Faridabad and Gurgaon; and Bagri, a form of Rajasthani, spoken in some parts of Hisar and Sirsa adjoining Rajasthan and some parts of Loharu and Dadri tehsils of Bhiwani district.
One reason why the officers of the period, English, Hindu or Muslim, found Haryanavi difficult to understand was, in Joseph’s words, “because of the neglect of Sanskrit and Hindi that is nowadays so prevalent. We are nurtured on the Persianised Urdu of the Munshi, and the language of the Higher Standard Hindustani is the polished language of Delhi city. Nothing is more useless for an understanding of the thought and wants of the villagers”.
For present-day Haryanvis, some of the words in the dictionary would sound Greek. Many of the listings had something to do with the modes of cultivation used those days. For instance, atkadshi (eleventh day of either half of the lunar month) signifies the arrival of famine as this proverb says, “Sawan badi atkadshi gan garje adhi rat. Piya tun ja so Mave, ham jan san Gujrai” (If the clouds thunder at midnight on the 11th day of the dark half of Sawan, my husband you go Malwa, I’m off to Gujra).
Some of the proverbs may appear Biblical like this one: “Auron ke updesh par, sabhi guru bharpur. Apne apne much par, sabhi ke dul” (In exhorting others, all men are full-blown saints. But every man has dust upon his own face.) This reminds the reader of the verse, “All men can see the mote in their brothers’ eyes, but not the beam in their own”
The proverbs are all down to earth like this one, “Byahi hod daga dede, par baayhe hod daga na de” (Your wife may fail you, but your ploughing won’t, i.e., well-ploughed land is sure to give you return).
A language is never static. Shakespeare wrote all his works using a total of 29,066 words. Now, English, the most cheerfully democratic language, has 616,500 entries in the Oxford English Dictionary. Yet, there are not more than half a dozen words to describe different types of rain in English – drizzle, downpour, shower, mizzle, heavy rain, light rain. In comparison, Joseph lists 13 Haryanavi words for rain like Bundha-Bandhi (a few drops), chaderbheej (light rain) and musladhar (drenching, straight rain).


It is in this context that the father of Indian nationalism, Michael Madhusudan Dutt’s (1824-1873) poem quoted in the book makes immense sense:
Studded with invaluable gems
Is my own language
Yet discarding them
I roamed from land to land
Like a merchant ship
From port to port
Then in dream one night
The goddess appeared to tell me
Your own language is full of wealth
Why then have you turned yourself into a beggar?
Why are you bereft of all the joy?
Because of the growing and overpowering influence of Hindi and English on the people of Haryana, more and more Haryanavi words, proverbs and sayings are bound to be consigned to the dustbins of linguistic history. But this does not mean that Haryanavi is not a complete language as this book gently reminds the reader.





  • Haryanavi-English, English-Haryanavi dictionary :A lexical presentation of language, lore, and life.

Contributions: Joseph, E., ICS., Yadav, Kripal Chandra., ; Foreword by Bhupinder Singh Hooda.,Haryana Institute of Public Administration. ISBN 10: 8186856021 ; LCCN: 2008331736
 
Whatever you are saying is absolutely correct. 1st of all don't take my point personally. My statement was not regarding any individual. My point was if others does not much about individual qualities and he/she is a JAT then normally people have negative image about him/her. people normally don't praise JATs. that's truth.

I do agree here......but pls dont use this statement for whole community...... I can bet n show u many people praising about HARYANVIS......sorry to other Jats as right now I only wanted to reply for haryanvi Jats.

I can also tell u which place Jats are not praised but I'll not, just to avoid unecessary arguments.
 
I do agree here......but pls dont use this statement for whole community...... I can bet n show u many people praising about HARYANVIS......sorry to other Jats as right now I only wanted to reply for haryanvi Jats.

I can also tell u which place Jats are not praised but I'll not, just to avoid unecessary arguments.

Neelam,its always mixed kind of response we get from other communities about us,nt always sugar coated
n i 4 sure know which arena u r talking about:p..... where jats r nt praised(male jats.......no offense plzzzz)n jats are very much resposible for dat(as perceptions r made of experiences).i hope ki ye sudhar jyaaan...
 
Main apni last job (Rudrapur) se bike book karva k Delhi laya tha.......place ---- Delhi Rly stn

Godown se bahar nikaali to Police constable tha papers ki checking karne k liye....

A friend was accompanying me too.......

He saw the numbar plate which said 'HR 20 H 9355' and asked "Kitt ka hai Bhai?". Maine kaha, "Rohtak ka." He said, "Fer to ja bhai......" Mera dost bola " Waise bhi aapke paas pakadne k liye kuchh nahi hai....... hamare paas saare papers hain......."
Policiya bola....... "Galat saabit karan ne to main tanne b galat saabit kar saku hu paper ke cheez hai? Apna e bhai hai......... Chala Ja!!!!"

Maine usi policiye se poocha......"Bhai, yahan sabse nazdeek petrol pump kahan hai?? Bike load karte time sara tel kadhwa liya tha.."

To wo bola ...." Itna tel to hai ki petrol pump pahunch jayegi...... Main kahu tha na ki kisi b baat pe pakad saku hu" ........... as the tank should be absolutely empty when the bike is on train...

Jai ho Haryana ke bhai!!!!!!!
 
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