Best Prime Minister of India so far !!

Who is The best PM of India ??


  • Total voters
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Votes polled till now suggest the following order:

1. Lal Bahadur Shashtri ( 16 votes)
2. Atal Bihari Vajpayee (12 Votes)
3. Indira Gandhi (12 Votes)
4. Rajeev Gandhi (9 Votes)
5. P V Narasimha Rao (2 Votes ??)
6. Jawahar Lal Nehru ( 1 Vote)

Matlab poll indicates that PVNR was better than even Jawahar Lal Nehru........

Can someone throw some light as to what were the mistakes made by Pt Nehru during his regime?..... I guess he was first PM to be elected two times in a row.... Now after him, Manmohan is second PM repeating this tenure in office....
 
Votes polled till now suggest the following order:

5. P V Narasimha Rao (2 Votes ??)
6. Jawahar Lal Nehru ( 1 Vote)

Matlab poll indicates that PVNR was better than even Jawahar Lal Nehru........

Can someone throw some light as to what were the mistakes made by Pt Nehru during his regime?..... I guess he was first PM to be elected two times in a row.... Now after him, Manmohan is second PM repeating this tenure in office....

May be something to do with fading memory of folks! Also many believe that he was reponsible or at least a party to the partition. Whatever the arguments be given in favoir of partition , ( the arguements like it would have been a lot of bloodshed at that time e tc etc ) but i frankly and strongly believe that the sum total of the pain that we are having and the sum total of lost/wasted resources while having Pakistan as the neighbour and an enemy in that respect is way more than any bloodshed that would have been there in 1947.

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More on Nehru..

This is from a link Sid posted on Jaswant/Jinnah thread. It fleshes out quite nicely the theme I had discussed in my earlier post- on the direction that Nehru gave to the country- of democracy/secularism and unity in diversity. And how it compares with the direction our fellow nations got.

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"First let us look at Jinnah’s “space”—Pakistan, founded on the basis of religion and decentralization. Today it is a rump of a state, torn asunder by internecine feuds within the same religion (even the fact that they are all of the same religion has not solved their problem) with the principal challenge to the existence of Pakistan coming most ironically from the most “decentralized” parts of the country—-the North West Frontier Province and the Federally Administered Tribal Areas. It is these areas which are allowed to have a Jinnah-ian “state within a state” existence where tribal laws (essentially no laws) and the writ of tribal leaders ran supreme (till recently since now Taliban calls the shots). The result? This area is one of the most dangerous and the most backward areas of the world.

And then let us look at Nehru’s legacy of the strong centralized nation-state founded on Western ideals and based fundamentally on the equality of all religion. Nehruvianism brought in its wake many problems, many serious problems. People can argue that states should have more power. And that’s a debate for another day.

However there were two things Nehru’s concept of India did. It kept the country united. It made democratic institutions so strong that even Nehru’s daughter could not subvert it.

In conclusion, one can say that India’s emergence as a stable economic and political power over the years has been the ultimate historical validation of Nehru’s obstinate non-negotiable insistence on a state founded on secular principles and with a strong central authority, a place where a “Pakistan inside India” idea would not be tolerated."
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I however don't give a full thumbs up to "Nehru's obstinate non-negotiable insistence". The likes of Nehru/Gandhi/Patel may not have wanted partition, but they didn't do enough or took the right actions to avoid it. Jinnah was very ambitious and had a big ego, ditto with Nehru. While Nehru may have been on the "right side" of the debate, he needed to show much more tact in dealing with Jinnah rather than bruising his ego further (which is effectively what he did). At times, you have to massage someone's ego/swallow bitter pills for a more optimal solution. The Indian leaders either didn't have the ability or the vision to think in those terms.
 
Bang On mate! :)

Yeah, but just to be clear, doesn't mean Nehru should be made the fall guy. Which is what it looks like from this poll result. Ironically, if a similar poll was held in Pakistan, I am sure Jinnah would come out tops despite their current state of affairs. To be fair to him, he died before he could do much about the monster he had helped creating. But the point remains that he was hell bent on it in 1947. The ordinary Pakistani now thinks, "Arre Jinnah saab to acche aadmi the, hamein Pakistan dilwaya, yeh to baaki XYZ ne mulk ko barbaad karr diya". Rather than critically analysing his role in creating a nation which was born to fail.

Ditto with Nehru, if he died in 1950, he would have topped the polls here. And if he had died without descendants, current and old. Now Indira Gandhi, who should get the maximum blame for spoiling Nehru's name (For emergency and for creating the dynastic rule by blatantly favoring her sons) is getting much more votes just because of her popular association with 1971 war/Blue Thunder and the image of an iron lady. Talk about irony!
 
on JLN

Came across this interesting item on net-
Excerpt from George Fernandes interview to BBC in 2006-
It is not generally known that Cocos island was part of India, when India achieved Independence. It was during Prime Minister Nehru’s tenure that India decided to hand over Cocos island to Burma, now Maynmar.
What is it used for now?
The Chinese base, with an airstrip, signal-intelligence nodes and an 85-metre jetty. The base monitors Indian naval and missile launch facilities in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, movements of the Indian navy and other navies throughout the eastern Indian Ocean, as well the overall western approaches to the Strait of Malacca.

Unquote- Well, JLN didn't have the benefit of farsight!!
 
Came across this interesting item on net-
Excerpt from George Fernandes interview to BBC in 2006-
It is not generally known that Cocos island was part of India, when India achieved Independence. It was during Prime Minister Nehru’s tenure that India decided to hand over Cocos island to Burma, now Maynmar.
What is it used for now?
The Chinese base, with an airstrip, signal-intelligence nodes and an 85-metre jetty. The base monitors Indian naval and missile launch facilities in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, movements of the Indian navy and other navies throughout the eastern Indian Ocean, as well the overall western approaches to the Strait of Malacca.

Unquote- Well, JLN didn't have the benefit of farsight!!

Okay, let's not spread rumours. You can get a brief history on coco island on wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coco_Island

And yes, wiki is not gospel truth. But so is not any politician's random comment. Here is another article that deals with coco island in more detail (the article is lengthy as it is on strategic significance of Andamans and not just Coco)
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/ISSUE5-3/nanda.html

"In fact, as local historian Pandey asserts on the basis of his research, the Government of India did not even bother to know what exactly were the areas that comprised the Andaman and Nicobar Islands during the British rule. If he is to be believed, it is because of this serious lapse on independent India's part that Myanmar claimed and got some important parts of the pre-1947 Islands, which, significantly includes, believe it or not, the strategic Coco Islands, about which we will deal separately a little later. It may be noted here that when Muslim League, and this we have already discussed, was pressing the British for getting the Andaman and Nicobar islands for Pakistan, Myanmar (then Burma), too, had chipped in to lay her own claim on them (Bhasin, p- 195). But the British Government decided to ignore it and told the House of Commons that they had no comments to offer on the Burmese claim.

According to Pandey, Myanmar took possession of the Coco Islands in 1954. In fact, some senior naval officials that this writer interacted with Port Blair are of the same opinion that the Coco islands belonged to the Andamans and should not have been given to Myanmar. It may be noted that Myanmar had illegally occupied the Narkondam islands bordering the Cocos and it was only sometime in early seventies that the Indian navy recaptured it. It may also be noted that it was as late as 1987 that India bothered to conclude one Maritime boundaries Agreement with Myanmar."

This is (yet) another case of India's ruling class' indifference to its strategic concerns. And note the indifference has been there from independence till date. Sitting in Delhi, places like Andaman and Arunachal seem too far to them to bother.

My inference from wiki and this article is that both Burma and India were under the Britishers. For Andamans, they had made divisions between Brisith India and British Burma as per their convenience. When they left, there was an obvious confusion on who gets what. Some of these islands were totally uninhabited making the job worse.

And there is no denying that defence was not Nehru's strong point. He was too much into his pacifist world view to think about defence in a strategic way. Could he have dealt with Andaman Islands in a better way? Of course yes! Did he cede Indian sovereignity over an island knowingly to a foreign power. Of course not!

Coming to Fernandes, I have full respect for him for his tenure as defence minister. He was the first minister who genuinely felt for the defence forces and had a defence policy to speak of (travelled to Siachen and lots of other forward posts, fired 2 officials who were not clearing snow scooters for Siachen troops, gave a fresh impetus to India's defence strategy and correctly pointed out the #1 threat as China). But you have to keep in mind that he is a politician, and one deeply opposed to Congress from way back in 70s. In this case, he just displayed foot in the mouth syndrome.
 
My apologies that I did not investigate the news further for fallacies.
Prakash Nanda, the author of the article quoted in your post, has another thing to say as well-
"History is often a confused heap of facts and that is why history's lessons are no more enlightening than the wisdom of those who interpret them."
Now, who do we believe?
If you would allow me to ride the band wagon, I would pick JLN as the best among the PMs listed in the Poll for reasons cited by you. He had the herculean responsibilty of laying foundation of free India, and a few lapses in strategic affairs are pardonable.
Okay, let's not spread rumours. You can get a brief history on coco island on wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coco_Island

And yes, wiki is not gospel truth. But so is not any politician's random comment. Here is another article that deals with coco island in more detail (the article is lengthy as it is on strategic significance of Andamans and not just Coco)
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/ISSUE5-3/nanda.html

"In fact, as local historian Pandey asserts on the basis of his research, the Government of India did not even bother to know what exactly were the areas that comprised the Andaman and Nicobar Islands during the British rule. If he is to be believed, it is because of this serious lapse on independent India's part that Myanmar claimed and got some important parts of the pre-1947 Islands, which, significantly includes, believe it or not, the strategic Coco Islands, about which we will deal separately a little later. It may be noted here that when Muslim League, and this we have already discussed, was pressing the British for getting the Andaman and Nicobar islands for Pakistan, Myanmar (then Burma), too, had chipped in to lay her own claim on them (Bhasin, p- 195). But the British Government decided to ignore it and told the House of Commons that they had no comments to offer on the Burmese claim.

According to Pandey, Myanmar took possession of the Coco Islands in 1954. In fact, some senior naval officials that this writer interacted with Port Blair are of the same opinion that the Coco islands belonged to the Andamans and should not have been given to Myanmar. It may be noted that Myanmar had illegally occupied the Narkondam islands bordering the Cocos and it was only sometime in early seventies that the Indian navy recaptured it. It may also be noted that it was as late as 1987 that India bothered to conclude one Maritime boundaries Agreement with Myanmar."

This is (yet) another case of India's ruling class' indifference to its strategic concerns. And note the indifference has been there from independence till date. Sitting in Delhi, places like Andaman and Arunachal seem too far to them to bother.

My inference from wiki and this article is that both Burma and India were under the Britishers. For Andamans, they had made divisions between Brisith India and British Burma as per their convenience. When they left, there was an obvious confusion on who gets what. Some of these islands were totally uninhabited making the job worse.

And there is no denying that defence was not Nehru's strong point. He was too much into his pacifist world view to think about defence in a strategic way. Could he have dealt with Andaman Islands in a better way? Of course yes! Did he cede Indian sovereignity over an island knowingly to a foreign power. Of course not!

Coming to Fernandes, I have full respect for him for his tenure as defence minister. He was the first minister who genuinely felt for the defence forces and had a defence policy to speak of (travelled to Siachen and lots of other forward posts, fired 2 officials who were not clearing snow scooters for Siachen troops, gave a fresh impetus to India's defence strategy and correctly pointed out the #1 threat as China). But you have to keep in mind that he is a politician, and one deeply opposed to Congress from way back in 70s. In this case, he just displayed foot in the mouth syndrome.
 
My apologies that I did not investigate the news further for fallacies.
Prakash Nanda, the author of the article quoted in your post, has another thing to say as well-
"History is often a confused heap of facts and that is why history's lessons are no more enlightening than the wisdom of those who interpret them."
Now, who do we believe?
If you would allow me to ride the band wagon, I would pick JLN as the best among the PMs listed in the Poll for reasons cited by you. He had the herculean responsibilty of laying foundation of free India, and a few lapses in strategic affairs are pardonable.

What Nanda said is true. As you can see, I am not giving Nehru any clean chit. The excerpt posted by me clearly indicts his govt. (and the future ones as well) for not taking the strategic importance of Andamans seriously. So I was the one providing fodder to attack Nehru...:). What I was opposing was a conspiracy theory proposed by an otherwise good man on one of his bad days; and like most conspiracy theories, it is not worth it weight in salt. It is very different from alternative interpretation of history- it is more like a wild fancy. Ceding sovereignity knowingly (and with no obvious reason) by a PM is a very serious matter. There is a big difference between treason and incompetence. We can call Nehru incompetent on defence affairs, but we should be very careful before saying anything that indicts him as a traitor.

Welcome aboard on the Nehru ship otherwise. Don't forget to put your keemti vote and bring him up from the shameful last position to a much more respectable parity with Chandraswami....oops...Narsimha Rao!! :D
 
bhai anil CH. HAWA SINGH SANGWAN ki ASLI LOOTERE KAUN kitab pad liye....nehru k baare main kati khul k sari bata rakhi s.........

Votes polled till now suggest the following order:

1. Lal Bahadur Shashtri ( 16 votes)
2. Atal Bihari Vajpayee (12 Votes)
3. Indira Gandhi (12 Votes)
4. Rajeev Gandhi (9 Votes)
5. P V Narasimha Rao (2 Votes ??)
6. Jawahar Lal Nehru ( 1 Vote)

Matlab poll indicates that PVNR was better than even Jawahar Lal Nehru........

Can someone throw some light as to what were the mistakes made by Pt Nehru during his regime?..... I guess he was first PM to be elected two times in a row.... Now after him, Manmohan is second PM repeating this tenure in office....
 
He is Jawahar lal Nehru. Naam hi bahut bada hai….Jawaharlal Nehru enjoyed an iconic status in India and was widely admired across the world for his idealism and statesmanship. No one can ever match up the persona of John F canady so is JLN.

Who else could have ever stolen the heart of mountbatten’s wife….;) except our first ever romantic PM. (most of our contemporty PM’s look diabatic :eek: ) He was Ladies man.. and ladies cant be wrong….:cool: (His notorious act of inseminating notwithstanding.)
 
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He is Jawahar lal Nehru. Naam hi bahut bada hai….Jawaharlal Nehru enjoyed an iconic status in India and was widely admired across the world for his idealism and statesmanship. No one can ever match up the persona of John F canady so is JLN.

Who else could have ever stolen the heart of mountbatten’s wife….;) except our first ever romantic PM. (most of our contemporty PM’s look diabatic :eek: ) He was Ladies man.. and ladies cant be wrong….:cool: (His notorious act of inseminating notwithstanding.)

Lets rephrase it to Tharki. Silvio Berlusconi ,the hunk PM of Italy would give him a competition in Tharkiness

http://blog.taragana.com/n/new-sex-tape-reveals-berlusconi-doesnt-like-using-condoms-116942/
 
Lets rephrase it to Tharki. Silvio Berlusconi ,the hunk PM of Italy would give him a competition in Tharkiness

http://blog.taragana.com/n/new-sex-tape-reveals-berlusconi-doesnt-like-using-condoms-116942/

samar, you could have used more appropriate word like रसिक, रसिक बलम, काम लोलुप, प्रेम रोगी, भोगविलासी for his womanize acts....instead of Tharki...as far as my understanding of this word goes...it is used for alcoholic...who consume... desi tharka....;) by your definition all our politician are "Tharki"... even woman politician...apni vasundhara bhi....no CM after 8 PM... Plz dont degrade JLN to this level...he deserve good title plz....
 
samar, you could have used more appropriate word like रसिक, रसिक बलम, काम लोलुप, प्रेम रोगी, भोगविलासी for his womanize acts....instead of Tharki...as far as my understanding of this word goes...it is used for alcoholic...who consume... desi tharka....;) by your definition all our politician are "Tharki"... even woman politician...apni vasundhara bhi....no CM after 8 PM... Plz dont degrade JLN to this level...he deserve good title plz....

Local word for womanizer is THARKI (jiski jeebh kutte ki tarah latakti ho)
tharka nahi wo tharra hota hai
 
I will breifly go off-topic before I offer my comments on what we are discussing here.

I am not a fan of Indian politics as I perceive it to be a means of personal enrichment for our elected representatives. Politics should be about nation-building and not about legacy building. Politics in India has become a family business for many. If father is a CM, son is next in line to be the CM. If father is a PM, then son is next in line to be the PM. Shame on us for posessing serf-ish mentality from 16th century while living in the 21st century.

For many years I held out hope for India. I thought something could be done. People could be brought to be at par with western standards of understanding of individual freedom and liberty. I guess Indians who turn a blind eye towards the way the country has been governed in the past deserve to continue being hung upside down in police lockup and have their bones smashed.

Indian politics is the lowest of all professions. Even lower than prostitution. While a prostitute pimps off her own body, Indian politicians have pimped off the entire country and here we are having polls on whose the best PM.

Earlier today I was watching a film about the 2006 bomb blasts in Mumbai. There was such an outrage after the events. Apparantly the film was made just before the terrorists attacks in Mumbai, late last year. As expected, again there were a lot of candle-light vigils accompnies by a lt of outrage.

The Indian government has failed at the most basic function of providing security to its citizens. An ordinary MLA goes around in an official vehcle all pimped out with a beacon and a siren and the police vehicles accompanying him/her. Mayawati blatantly spends crores of rupees on building her own statues throughout UP. All this while a dehydrated poverty-stricken child is selling cold water at a railway platform in Kanpur on a hot summer day. And here we are having polls about whose the best PM.

I dont think we have yet had a PM who has honorably held the office of the PM. So, in my opinion we havent had a half-way decent PM, forget about whose the best PM.

While I do not endorse violence, all the naxal/maoist insurgencies taking root in India are an indication of the frustration of the lowest strata of Indian society. While many of you hold decent jobs and somehow manage to avoid crossing paths with "Government Servants;" there are those who have tolerated over 60 years of Government abuse.

The British did not discriminate when they broke our bones in Police Stations across the country. After the British left it was the lowest of the lowest who bore the brunt of Police abuse as they did not have anyone to fall back on. The running water, farming equipment, supplies, electricity, guaranteed markets for agricultural produce guaranteed by Indian government never materialized.

The poor farmers lost everything under the burden of of debt. Thousands committed suicide. And what are we doing about it. We are having polls on who is the best PM.

There was a time when I wanted to return to India. But, I guess I have lost all immunity to human suffering. I cannot just turn a blind eye towards people who have lost it all while there are few who have padded their pockets and bank accounts. To hell with economic development. Economic development for who? It really does not matter if Ambanis are now worth 1 gazillion dollars while they were worth half a gazillion dollars five years ago. How has the economic development helped the lowest of the lowest.

In India, there is no dignity of Human Life. A society that values Human Life does not let its weakest and the most vulnerable suffer the way they do in India. And here we are having polls about whose the best PM. Shame on us!

Please excuse all the typos as I had to rush through the post.
 
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Sumit, Venting frustation helps in realization and accepting shameful situation is a brave act rather than of guilt. Guilt is the main cause of inaction. But really if you wish to see children having smile on their faces, you do not need to go far. Connect with Navin bhai in any manner you wish to.

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