Can we see Past Events?

[rkumar]

I never believe in diplomacy.

Ek time par rook sakte hai ke nahin...... what that mean in scientific scenario.................... you want to remain younger forever ? if that so.................... my answer is NEVER

Theory of relativity shows that both space and time are curved. If we can move forward and backward in space we can move forward and backward in time too. Einstien's theory can't deny that fact by any means.

If time is relative, being young or old is relative, and everything is relative, then what do you mean by time travel unless time can exist at all the points (Past presnet and future) simultanously? Whole concept of negative and positive time is based upon the expanding universe and the existance of black holes. These are two states of matter at astronomical scale. It does not prove that one can move along the time curve as per wish and under controlled manner. If you are aware of Time Travel Theory where one has total control on the speed, direction etc , please ellaborate the details.

RK^2

 

[vijay]

If time is relative, being young or old is relative, and everything is relative, then what do you mean by time travel unless time can exist at all the points (Past presnet and future) simultanously? Whole concept of negative and positive time is based upon the expanding universe and the existance of black holes. These are two states of matter at astronomical scale. It does not prove that one can move along the time curve as per wish and under controlled manner. If you are aware of Time Travel Theory where one has total control on the speed, direction etc , please ellaborate the details.

RK^2

Well Sir,

Sorry to say that what you mentioned expanding Universe have nothing to do with time travel. But Black holes is the real thing which lead us to the phenomenon of time travel. That black holes did force to think about the warmholes which can proove the theory of time travel. The photons and electrons behaves as waves as well as particles. I afraid if u can get anything from that if you think positive. There are parallel universes and we have to believe on this fact and i feel sorry if you have still not updated urself.

Just check and search what are "Warmholes" and what they can do in this matter. We will discuss this again

 

[rkumar]

Well Sir,

Sorry to say that what you mentioned expanding Universe have nothing to do with time travel. But Black holes is the real thing which lead us to the phenomenon of time travel. That black holes did force to think about the warmholes which can proove the theory of time travel. The photons and electrons behaves as waves as well as particles. I afraid if u can get anything from that if you think positive. There are parallel universes and we have to believe on this fact and i feel sorry if you have still not updated urself.

Just check and search what are "Warmholes" and what they can do in this matter. We will discuss this again

Janab Shayar Mahodaya,

Hope you know how much Physics and how much fantasy/ assumptions are mixed in this whole subject? Anyone can google around and talk vaguely on such subjects. Don't refer me to all that crap as I have read it 100s of times. Just few months back there was a big article in New Scientist on Wormholes. New Scientsit publishes such science mixed with fantasies quite often.

RK^2

 

[shamshermalik]

Janab Shayar Mahodaya,

Don't refer me to all that crap as I have read it 100s of times.

RK^2

So it took you so long to realise that what you are reading is crap...LOL

 

[rkumar]

So it took you so long to realise that what you are reading is crap...LOL

hahaha...bilkul..

arrey bhai some of these theories are like wife...
sabke samne unke against bolne se dar bhi lagta hai..

hahahaa...akhir roti bhi khaani hai naa....LOL ...haan ye bat aur ko mat kahna...LOL

RK^2

 

[pnauhwar21]

One caveat regarding travelling in Future:

If we say that we can travel in future, that would mean that our future is pre-determined and existing in parallel world. Does that mean any bomb blasts, rapes are pre-determined? If yes, then we can't blame the persons doing it,rt? I dont believe our future is already existing, every event has a cause and whatever we do in our present is a cause for our future. Or maybe there are multiple paths pre-defined for future and we go into one depending on our actions.

That said, do we have one less variable now for our time travel theory? Probably we can focus on going back to past but again we would not be able to reach in that timeframe as we will be future for the folks in that time and that would again come back to first point. So, I believe we can only see the past events but not change it. Will focus on ways to do it next.

 

[vijay]

Janab Shayar Mahodaya,

Hope you know how much Physics and how much fantasy/ assumptions are mixed in this whole subject? Anyone can google around and talk vaguely on such subjects. Don't refer me to all that crap as I have read it 100s of times. Just few months back there was a big article in New Scientist on Wormholes. New Scientsit publishes such science mixed with fantasies quite often.

RK^2

RK Sir, I am not Shayar here as i am a science student.

I afraid that you have provided any technical or scientific point till date. What you think Hawkins is a dumb who thinks that time travelling is possible,

Minkowski's was a stupid according to you who lead so many concept to this world.

Novikov was a just a fortune teller who spent all his life on this issue.


And Einstein's theory of Relativity is just a theory and need a varification from you only.


If you have any technical things to discuss we can talk about that but if you u want to reply in that manner which doesn't make any sense than plz let others discuss what they want to dicsuss.


Regards
Vijay

 

[rkumar]

One caveat regarding travelling in Future:

If we say that we can travel in future, that would mean that our future is pre-determined and existing in parallel world. Does that mean any bomb blasts, rapes are pre-determined? If yes, then we can't blame the persons doing it,rt? I dont believe our future is already existing, every event has a cause and whatever we do in our present is a cause for our future. Or maybe there are multiple paths pre-defined for future and we go into one depending on our actions.

That said, do we have one less variable now for our time travel theory? Probably we can focus on going back to past but again we would not be able to reach in that timeframe as we will be future for the folks in that time and that would again come back to first point. So, I believe we can only see the past events but not change it. Will focus on ways to do it next.

Good to see some logic at last. This is what we call law of casuality. There is no way we can travel back and forth in time. We can not even see past events unless recorded and replayed. Let us not forget that we have a finite size in space and time and there is no way we can spread it all over space and time and keeping our concious also intact at the same time. Don't get carried away by these Time Travel theories as they are a mix of Physics and assumptions based upon wishful thinking.

RK^2

 

[rkumar]

RK Sir, I am not Shayar here as i am a science student.

I afraid that you have provided any technical or scientific point till date. What you think Hawkins is a dumb who thinks that time travelling is possible,

Minkowski's was a stupid according to you who lead so many concept to this world.

Novikov was a just a fortune teller who spent all his life on this issue.


And Einstein's theory of Relativity is just a theory and need a varification from you only.


If you have any technical things to discuss we can talk about that but if you u want to reply in that manner which doesn't make any sense than plz let others discuss what they want to dicsuss.


Regards
Vijay

Are u an expert on this subject? What technical details have u presented except quoting some googled out information?

There is hell of difference between possibility and reality. My becoming God is also possible. My body converting into Gold miolecules is aslo possible. Me riding a photon is also possible...

Coming to Einsteins theory of relativity, speed of light remains constant. However, we know that its not true any more. Do you know that time does not expand or contract as per Einstein ? Only mass and lengths expand or contract. By the way how much time have you spent studying theory of relativity and its applications at subatomic or setteler level? Don't act like a super expert which u are not. If something is not making sense to you, does not mean other side is talking nonsense..

RK^2

 

[vijay]

Are u an expert on this subject? What technical details have u presented except quoting some googled out information?

There is hell of difference between possibility and reality. My becoming God is also possible. My body converting into Gold miolecules is aslo possible. Me riding a photon is also possible...

Coming to Einsteins theory of relativity, speed of light remains constant. However, we know that its not true any more. Do you know that time does not expand or contract as per Einstein ? Only mass and lengths expand or contract. By the way how much time have you spent studying theory of relativity and its applications at subatomic or setteler level? Don't act like a super expert which u are not. If something is not making sense to you, does not mean other side is talking nonsense..

RK^2

No I am not an expert on this subject.

But what technical details you want to discuss. Wanna discuss on Black holes, Warm holes, Big bang theory, Einstein theory of Relativity and any other topic.

I am on RK sir.

So according to you Einstien's theory is questionable ? Then i afraid if u have some doubts that an electron or photon is a wave or a particle ?

 

[rkumar]

No I am not an expert on this subject.

But what technical details you want to discuss. Wanna discuss on Black holes, Warm holes, Big bang theory, Einstein theory of Relativity and any other topic.

I am on RK sir.

So according to you Eintien's theory is questionable ? Then i afraid if u have some doubts that an electron or photon is a wave or a particle ?

oye rabba kithe fans gaye....
huzoor aap jeete aur hum haare...
You are undisputed expert on the subject.
Khush?
cheer up now.

by the way its not Warm Hole... Its Wormhole...

RK^2

 

[pnauhwar21]

This is what we call law of casuality...

RK^2

RK Sir, I was talking about law of causality. aap baat kar rahe ho 'law of casuality.' ye to non-jats ka law hai..agar koi jat se panga le to pitai khayega and hence the casuality or casualty

 

[vijay]

oye rabba kithe fans gaye....
huzoor aap jeete aur hum haare...
You are undisputed expert on the subject.
Khush?
cheer up now.

by the way its not Warm Hole... Its Wormhole...

RK^2

I don't think that a spell mistake can change any theory.

Anyways, i all all open to debate with anyone on this issue.

Ok Prashant bhai, lats start it again what we were discussing

 

[pnauhwar21]

Ok Prashant bhai, lats start it again what we were discussing

Vijay, whats your take on the caveat which I mentioned regarding travel to future? Do you think future pre-exists?

 

[raj_rathee]

RK Chacha ke te pair choo kae aashirvaad len ka ji kare sae. Chacha's
knowledge is so vast and expansive...I haven't come across a single
subject that Chacha has not been able to throw some light
on. It is indeed remarkable.

Reminds me of a 'grezi ka teacher in school I had once. One Mr. Dutta.
The guy was pretty remarkable. There wasn't a thing he had not done.
Fought in wars, single handedly killed tigers with bare hands, rolled down Niagra falls,......slept with Madonna...basically the works!
(Dutta Sir, I salute you!....especially for always giving me top marks
in English without even reading what I wrote. You were the best! ).

I think Rk Sir is one of those extremely talented individuals whose
intellectual breadth and depth is just superb. A powerhouse of knowledge!

Bas ek baat sae Chacha. Aajkal aap yeh political discussion mein bahot
baised ho gaye ho, and have lost balance. Aisa lagta ha Hooda
sarkar ke PR agent ho. That is a bit dissapointing sir. Perhaps
understandable, but disappointing nonetheless. Jab aap dono
side se behas karte the, toh accha lagta tha. Khair...

 

[rkumar]

...Bas ek baat sae Chacha. Aajkal aap yeh political discussion mein bahot
baised ho gaye ho, and have lost balance. Aisa lagta ha Hooda
sarkar ke PR agent ho. That is a bit dissapointing sir. Perhaps
understandable, but disappointing nonetheless. Jab aap dono
side se behas karte the, toh accha lagta tha. Khair...

Bhateeje thora samjha karo.... This is called Time travel...LOL

RK^2

 

[vijay]

Vijay, whats your take on the caveat which I mentioned regarding travel to future? Do you think future pre-exists?

I think you are talking about the social issue that if we want to go back in past and try to change our destiny etc.....

Scientists are researching on this issue that if we can change our destiny or not by traveling in past or future. This is known as ''grandfather paradox" in scientific terms.

What they concluded is that "If we travel back in time and change history, we launch ourselves into a new future in a parallel universe - but we have no effect on the present one from which we started out."

My personal views : Nobody can change his/her past or future by any means. Theory of parallel Universe always exists. There may be different parallel univeses where a country is ruled by opposite political parties. I.e In one Universe Congress is leading India and in another Universe BJP is leading.

I still regret that why ppl don't want to come with some scientific facts but instead they just know how to comment on others.

Einstein's theory of Relativity shows the path to travel into time and his quotes " I afraid that i didn't rejected the theory of time travel"

 

[pnauhwar21]

Scientists are researching on this issue that if we can change our destiny or not by traveling in past or future. This is known as ''grandfather paradox" in scientific terms.

What they concluded is that "If we travel back in time and change history, we launch ourselves into a new future in a parallel universe - but we have no effect on the present one from which we started out."

Vijay, I was not saying just about social issues but the eternal paradox of time travel. Coz, on one hand if we believe that future is not pre-determined and we change it as per actions the whole concept of time travel in future looks incomprehensible. And as I mentioned before, if we believe that future is pre-determined then all bomb-blasts, accidents, rapes is also pre-determined and we cannot blame anyone.

As for seeing past events, we know that we can see a past event if its recorded on a particular media. On a similar note, all the past events whether its mahabharat or breaking of a glass 2 minutes back are recorded in the nature. Its just that we need to find ways to retrieve those records. There is a concept called 'Akashik records' where all events are stored and we can get this data through our sub-concious. Even remembering past life is something like seeing past events in our sub-concious mind and this is something that I believe in not just be reading but by experiencing myself. When I was around 2 yrs .old , I used to write a peculiar script in a diary which didn't make sense to my parents. And it wasn't just blind scribbling of a child but akin to a laguage script written in straight lines. My parents somehow lost this diary somewhere, but we were shifting to a new place when I was in 9th and we stumbled upon this diary and I myself saw that writing and believe me it was very similar to a south indian script as I had learnt Malayalam alphabets in our zero period from our Physics teacher during same period. I made a mistake of tearing the papers for taking to school and lost it somewhere (ways of God not to let me know my past ). Probably I was a great South Indian saint

So, crux of the matter is science and sub-conciousness/social issues go hand in hand and we need to balance the beliefs of both

 

[vijay]

Prashant, now i understand exactly what are you asking.

Nothing is pre determined. There exists so many parallel universes. Suppose we travel in the past and kill out parents that doesn't mean that we doesn't exist in this Universe. When we travel into past we just enter into another universe and whatever we do there that doesn't effect the happenings in our present universe. and same for the future. This is the parallel universe theory and scientists approved that. Seems funny to you i think but it's true.

What you told about your childhood memory that you remember your past life doesn't seems miracle to me as m,y real aunt ( My mom's sister ) used to tell us about her past life untill she was 6-7 years old and she used to tell exactly who were in her family and where they used to live but as she grow older her memory get weaker and weaker about her past life. I know so many people who used to tell about their past lives in childhood but later that memory faded up. You can imagine from the fact that how an infact lying alone laughs , cries and talk to himself. becoz at that time he knows his past life. As simple as that.

Concluding, Science originated from our mind and our sub-concious mind is the key to know anything about this universe.

 

[pnauhwar21]

When we travel into past we just enter into another universe and whatever we do there that doesn't effect the happenings in our present universe. and same for the future. This is the parallel universe theory and scientists approved that.

Ok in this case, what happens to our Soul? Will it get split into 2 one in this universe and the other in parallel universe? Again, I am not trying to cut the point of parallel universe theory as I have read it myself but putting own grand logic on the same

And since I myself would be travelling to the future or past and goto a parallel universe, how will my current self come back to present in the current universe and continue life here? And hopefully you may be knowing, the scientists have also proved that the soul exists through an experiment. If the soul or 'Pran' is not there in the body, we won't exist at all in any universe. And if we can clone our soul too, we can transmit anywhere just the way they did in Star Trek. This is the beginning of my second theory - Since everything is made of atoms including living beings, if we are able to determine the atomic structure of a thing, we would be able to create it from air by combining the atoms in that particular way. Don't talk about the needed computational power needed to determine the full atomic structure yet, just think about the theoritical possibility first. Thats the start of any science invention.