Challenges and Chances before AAP

[singhvp]

vp ji..did he make any sin reminding the people that the same thing has been done in delhi before ..and that too without any hue and cry...did you know these things about sahib singh verma before?...

Baaki yeh aapka dhuchkala humor nahi irritable tha...baaki jisne apnp ki izzat ni kari we doosre ke hi taale laagte haande sai aakhir main.....

भाई इसमें इतनी बौखलाहट और झुंझलाहट की क्या बात थी कि जो आप इतने नर्वसा गए i किसी ने साहब सिंह वर्मा जी को बुरा नहीं बताया i यह भी झूठ नहीं कि साहब सिंह वर्मा जी अब जाट समाज की सेवाओं के लिए उपलब्ध नहीं हैं i और अब उनकी अनुपस्थिति में दिल्ली के मुख्यमंत्री की कुर्सी का कोई दूसरा सम्भावी जाट दावेदार इस चुनाव में नहीं था और आने वाले राष्ट्रीय चुनाव में भी नहीं दीख रहा । अब तूं ही बता जाटों को किसके तलै लागणा चाहये (आपकी सभ्य भाषा के अनुसार) i जाहिर सी बात है कि लोगों ने केज़रीवाल में कुछ तो खूबी देखी ही होगी जो उनका समर्थन किया और यहाँ भी काफी लोग उनके बारे में अच्छा लिख रहे हैं i तेरे मेरे न चाहने से सच्चाई तो नहीं बदल जायेगी i वैसे भी प्रजातंत्र में किसी गैर जाति वाले की अच्छाई को अच्छाई बताना कोई ज़ुर्म नहीं है i


देश की राजनीति जातिगत आधार पर हमेशा नहीं चलती रहेगी, समय के साथ बदलाव आना स्वाभाविक है i इसके अतिरिक्त, किसी एक जाति के सब लोग फ़रिश्ते तो नहीं होते i हर जाति में बददतमीज़, भ्रष्ट,चोर, बलात्कारी और अपराधी प्रवृति के लोग और अच्छे लोग भी होते हैं और जाट कोई इसका अपवाद नहीं हैं i


संयोगवश, किसी गैर-जाट के लिए तो आप भी यहाँ कई दिन से प्रचार में लगे हुए हैं i आपके इस कार्य को क्या संज्ञा दी जाए ? क्या इसे किसी के तलै लागणा कहेंगे ? मेरे हिसाब से नहीं, क्योंकि यह आपका संवैधानिक अधिकार है i क्या आपको किसी जाट भाई ने कभी कहा कि भाई प्रशांत क्यों किसी गैर जाट के तलै लाग रह्या सै i यह उन की सभ्यता का प्रतीक है और आपको उनसे सीख लेनी चाहिए i वैसे आपने मानना तो नहीं, पर मैं भी यही कहूंगा कि भाषा की मर्यादा से आदमी के अच्छे संस्कार झलकते हैं और अभद्र भाषा न केवल खुद मनुष्य के खानदान पर बल्कि समस्त जातिपर एक बदनुमा दाग लगवा देती है i

 

[atamjeet78]

First thing is we don’t have to get so emotional about AAP. I think on Jatland we don’t have any hardcore(as RK Uncle mentioned) supporter of AAP here like BJP and Congress. We should be presenting our viewpoints in a civilized manner. I believe senior should be shown respect and with due respect to all our senior members I find AK(Kejriwal) farzi not trustable.

First thing, anything which has US fingerprints is very toxic for home country. AK NGO has received donation from Ford foundation which is responsible for such donations in other parts of the world. There is enough evidence available on open source which shows Arab spring movement was sponsored by Americans. If you are interested in more info, here is link http://beyondheadlines.in/2013/12/cias-trojan-horse-enters-the-heart-of-india

Secondly, AK has nothing to show during his career as IT officer how he has worked against the corrupt practices. Only thing he boasted is if he had continued as IT officer he would have minted millions. If we take a look at other bureaucrat’s like Kiran Bedi , she was fighting against corrupt system during her whole career or recent example of Ashok Khemka who is doing his job under the hardship meted out to him but still continuing. AK comes as quitter.

Thirdly, I don’t agree with his economic policies. They are more or less same as socialist policies of Nehru era which has kept country poor for initial 4 decades after independence. What’s difference between him and Akhilesh Yadav , Ghelot, Jayalalitha, or Congress sponsored schemes of distributing free doles.

Fourthly, his stand regarding Batla House encounter being fake and sucking upto Mullahs and distributing pamphlet in Urdu appeasing Muslims based on religion. Don’t we have Mulla-yam Yadav doing same thing.

Fifth, Its not by chance that media is making him larger than life. There is a strong team working behind him. Ghandhiji was also a creation of media if we look into history. There was a Narm dal and garam dal in Cong of early 1900 era. Naram Dal headed by Ghokhle, who projected Ghandhiji as messiah of masses with media support of that time and enjoyed priviledges. On the other hand Garam dal Tilak was imprisoned in Mandalay prison and Lala Lajpat Rai was murdered. Same thing happened again Baba Ramdev was attacked in the middle of night and IAC was handeled with Kid gloves.

Sixth, I find him opportunist of first order. He will use and ditch anyone within a blink of eye. Like he used Anna to get popularity and then threw Anna out of Anna’s movement. If you go today to him he will support Jat reservation but don’t expect anything from him. He removed Bharat Mata’s poster from IAC stage citing that Muslims feels offended b’cos of that. But now he is using slogan like Bharat Mata ki jai , Vande mataram and Inqlab zindabad.

I don’t like to put long posts as I don’t read long post myself. Everyone has right to agree or disagree and any constructive criticism is welcome. I am not hardcore supporter of BJP but I would like to see Modi as PM in 2014 and AK will be kachar ka beej for that.

 

[drrajpalsingh]

'They won it, now time to do it', is the title of Perspective in the Sunday Tribune page 11, dated 29th December, 2013. For more points of views/reports on the issue log in

www.tribuneindia.com

 

[krishdel]

When there was fire in Muzaffar Nagar then Kejriwal Visited Baraeli to meet Takir to help in election. What u think of this?

Fully agreed with every word what you say. No body has forgotten him. Issue is of present. Do we have any Jat leader today who will match Sahab Singh Verma or Kejriwal ? Take a look at every available Jat leader and tell us if you can think of anyone. Name me one Jat leader who sided openly with the Jats of Muzaffar Magar and Shamli during recent riots ? Did any Jat jatthas from other parts of country came out in support of Shamli and Muzaffar Nagar Jats? What Jat brotherhood are we talking ? Many Jat boys were booked and still languishing in jails. Ever heard any Jat leader taking their case? I remember how whole night we used to remain awake during the riots. Not a single relative from across the Yamuna ever called us to find out if we were safe. Enough of this hollow Jat brotherhood. It was only the local Jat brotherhood which faced the battle on their own.

RK^2

 

[swaich]

First thing is we don’t have to get so emotional about AAP. I think on Jatland we don’t have any hardcore(as RK Uncle mentioned) supporter of AAP here like BJP and Congress. We should be presenting our viewpoints in a civilized manner. I believe senior should be shown respect and with due respect to all our senior members I find AK(Kejriwal) farzi not trustable.

First thing, anything which has US fingerprints is very toxic for home country. AK NGO has received donation from Ford foundation which is responsible for such donations in other parts of the world. There is enough evidence available on open source which shows Arab spring movement was sponsored by Americans. If you are interested in more info, here is link http://beyondheadlines.in/2013/12/cias-trojan-horse-enters-the-heart-of-india

Secondly, AK has nothing to show during his career as IT officer how he has worked against the corrupt practices. Only thing he boasted is if he had continued as IT officer he would have minted millions. If we take a look at other bureaucrat’s like Kiran Bedi , she was fighting against corrupt system during her whole career or recent example of Ashok Khemka who is doing his job under the hardship meted out to him but still continuing. AK comes as quitter.

Thirdly, I don’t agree with his economic policies. They are more or less same as socialist policies of Nehru era which has kept country poor for initial 4 decades after independence. What’s difference between him and Akhilesh Yadav , Ghelot, Jayalalitha, or Congress sponsored schemes of distributing free doles.

Fourthly, his stand regarding Batla House encounter being fake and sucking upto Mullahs and distributing pamphlet in Urdu appeasing Muslims based on religion. Don’t we have Mulla-yam Yadav doing same thing.

Fifth, Its not by chance that media is making him larger than life. There is a strong team working behind him. Ghandhiji was also a creation of media if we look into history. There was a Narm dal and garam dal in Cong of early 1900 era. Naram Dal headed by Ghokhle, who projected Ghandhiji as messiah of masses with media support of that time and enjoyed priviledges. On the other hand Garam dal Tilak was imprisoned in Mandalay prison and Lala Lajpat Rai was murdered. Same thing happened again Baba Ramdev was attacked in the middle of night and IAC was handeled with Kid gloves.

Sixth, I find him opportunist of first order. He will use and ditch anyone within a blink of eye. Like he used Anna to get popularity and then threw Anna out of Anna’s movement. If you go today to him he will support Jat reservation but don’t expect anything from him. He removed Bharat Mata’s poster from IAC stage citing that Muslims feels offended b’cos of that. But now he is using slogan like Bharat Mata ki jai , Vande mataram and Inqlab zindabad.

I don’t like to put long posts as I don’t read long post myself. Everyone has right to agree or disagree and any constructive criticism is welcome. I am not hardcore supporter of BJP but I would like to see Modi as PM in 2014 and AK will be kachar ka beej for that.

You should have perhaps started your post with that sentence to save us the trouble of reading through that conspiracy theory.

 

[drrajpalsingh]

You should have perhaps started your post with that sentence to save us the trouble of reading through that conspiracy theory.

Kindly comment on the contents not on which party supporter wrote otherwise it would be presumed that according to your yard stick applied the Modi supporters' posts deserve not to be read !!

 

[singhvp]

Kindly comment on the contents not on which party supporter wrote otherwise it would be presumed that according to your yard stick applied the Modi supporters' posts deserve not to be read !!

Dr. Rajpal Ji, it was, perhaps, in a lighter vein. Of course, everyone is entitled to have a political opinion, even to the extent of being a hardcore supporter. But, the fact cannot be denied that our prejudices are bound to creep into our utterances, dialogue or literary expressions. In the instant case also, the analysis is not free from robust bias which evokes cynicism.

 

[drrajpalsingh]

Dr. Rajpal Ji, it was, perhaps, in a lighter vein. Of course, everyone is entitled to have a political opinion to the extent of being even a hardcore supporter. But, the fact cannot be denied that our prejudices are bound to creep into our utterances, dialogue or literary expressions. In the instant case also, the analysis is not free from robust bias which evokes cynicism.

Friend,

Even in lighter vein the prejudice pours out ,and we, the Jat community people have become intolerant to self criticism and plunge immediately to justify except ourselves the other commentator/s wrong which is followed by complaints against one another.

In the light of such happenings, I had made polite request to Mr. Swaich to avoid recurrence of such happenings at the site. Nonetheless, the views from different people on the issue of thread are welcome.

Thanks and regards.

 

[drrajpalsingh]

First thing is we don’t have to get so emotional about AAP. I think on Jatland we don’t have any hardcore(as RK Uncle mentioned) supporter of AAP here like BJP and Congress. We should be presenting our viewpoints in a civilized manner. I believe senior should be shown respect and with due respect to all our senior members I find AK(Kejriwal) farzi not trustable.

First thing, anything which has US fingerprints is very toxic for home country. AK NGO has received donation from Ford foundation which is responsible for such donations in other parts of the world. There is enough evidence available on open source which shows Arab spring movement was sponsored by Americans. If you are interested in more info, here is link http://beyondheadlines.in/2013/12/cias-trojan-horse-enters-the-heart-of-india

Secondly, AK has nothing to show during his career as IT officer how he has worked against the corrupt practices. Only thing he boasted is if he had continued as IT officer he would have minted millions. If we take a look at other bureaucrat’s like Kiran Bedi , she was fighting against corrupt system during her whole career or recent example of Ashok Khemka who is doing his job under the hardship meted out to him but still continuing. AK comes as quitter.

Thirdly, I don’t agree with his economic policies. They are more or less same as socialist policies of Nehru era which has kept country poor for initial 4 decades after independence. What’s difference between him and Akhilesh Yadav , Ghelot, Jayalalitha, or Congress sponsored schemes of distributing free doles.

Fourthly, his stand regarding Batla House encounter being fake and sucking upto Mullahs and distributing pamphlet in Urdu appeasing Muslims based on religion. Don’t we have Mulla-yam Yadav doing same thing.

Fifth, Its not by chance that media is making him larger than life. There is a strong team working behind him. Ghandhiji was also a creation of media if we look into history. There was a Narm dal and garam dal in Cong of early 1900 era. Naram Dal headed by Ghokhle, who projected Ghandhiji as messiah of masses with media support of that time and enjoyed priviledges. On the other hand Garam dal Tilak was imprisoned in Mandalay prison and Lala Lajpat Rai was murdered. Same thing happened again Baba Ramdev was attacked in the middle of night and IAC was handeled with Kid gloves.

Sixth, I find him opportunist of first order. He will use and ditch anyone within a blink of eye. Like he used Anna to get popularity and then threw Anna out of Anna’s movement. If you go today to him he will support Jat reservation but don’t expect anything from him. He removed Bharat Mata’s poster from IAC stage citing that Muslims feels offended b’cos of that. But now he is using slogan like Bharat Mata ki jai , Vande mataram and Inqlab zindabad.

I don’t like to put long posts as I don’t read long post myself. Everyone has right to agree or disagree and any constructive criticism is welcome. I am not hardcore supporter of BJP but I would like to see Modi as PM in 2014 and AK will be kachar ka beej for that.

Several interesting points have been raised which do not necessarily pertain to the theme of the thread but serve as background study. The last point is totally out of place.

In view of the fact that he has taken over as Chief Minister of Delhi only yesterday it is hoped that now onwards his policies, programmes and action plan would be the best proof what this AAM Party Government led by Kejriwal is up to and how much different or one among the many political party it is !

The cat would be out of bag within a reasonable passage of time !

 

[swaich]

Kindly comment on the contents not on which party supporter wrote otherwise it would be presumed that according to your yard stick applied the Modi supporters' posts deserve not to be read !!

Of course, not my intntion to discredit opinions based on the party supported, but it was tiring to read the conspiracy theory and I didn't have the time or the inclination to write a point by point rebuttal of all those points.

But its true. Everywhere you look, BJP supporters are busy finding faults and discrediting the AAP by hook or by crook. They simply can't believe someone could offer an alternate to the Congress, that too without a riot or two to take advantage of. The Congress supporters are lying low though after the recent round of reversals and are till figuring out the strategy just like Rahul Gandhi.

 

[prashantacmet]

First thing is we don’t have to get so emotional about AAP. I think on Jatland we don’t have any hardcore(as RK Uncle mentioned) supporter of AAP here like BJP and Congress. We should be presenting our viewpoints in a civilized manner. I believe senior should be shown respect and with due respect to all our senior members I find AK(Kejriwal) farzi not trustable.

First thing, anything which has US fingerprints is very toxic for home country. AK NGO has received donation from Ford foundation which is responsible for such donations in other parts of the world. There is enough evidence available on open source which shows Arab spring movement was sponsored by Americans. If you are interested in more info, here is link http://beyondheadlines.in/2013/12/cias-trojan-horse-enters-the-heart-of-india

Secondly, AK has nothing to show during his career as IT officer how he has worked against the corrupt practices. Only thing he boasted is if he had continued as IT officer he would have minted millions. If we take a look at other bureaucrat’s like Kiran Bedi , she was fighting against corrupt system during her whole career or recent example of Ashok Khemka who is doing his job under the hardship meted out to him but still continuing. AK comes as quitter.

Thirdly, I don’t agree with his economic policies. They are more or less same as socialist policies of Nehru era which has kept country poor for initial 4 decades after independence. What’s difference between him and Akhilesh Yadav , Ghelot, Jayalalitha, or Congress sponsored schemes of distributing free doles.

Fourthly, his stand regarding Batla House encounter being fake and sucking upto Mullahs and distributing pamphlet in Urdu appeasing Muslims based on religion. Don’t we have Mulla-yam Yadav doing same thing.

Fifth, Its not by chance that media is making him larger than life. There is a strong team working behind him. Ghandhiji was also a creation of media if we look into history. There was a Narm dal and garam dal in Cong of early 1900 era. Naram Dal headed by Ghokhle, who projected Ghandhiji as messiah of masses with media support of that time and enjoyed priviledges. On the other hand Garam dal Tilak was imprisoned in Mandalay prison and Lala Lajpat Rai was murdered. Same thing happened again Baba Ramdev was attacked in the middle of night and IAC was handeled with Kid gloves.

Sixth, I find him opportunist of first order. He will use and ditch anyone within a blink of eye. Like he used Anna to get popularity and then threw Anna out of Anna’s movement. If you go today to him he will support Jat reservation but don’t expect anything from him. He removed Bharat Mata’s poster from IAC stage citing that Muslims feels offended b’cos of that. But now he is using slogan like Bharat Mata ki jai , Vande mataram and Inqlab zindabad.

I don’t like to put long posts as I don’t read long post myself. Everyone has right to agree or disagree and any constructive criticism is welcome. I am not hardcore supporter of BJP but I would like to see Modi as PM in 2014 and AK will be kachar ka beej for that.

shayad aur logo ki thodi bahut aankh khul jaaye to bilkul mich gayi hai.......kejriwal koi aasmaan se utra faristha nahi hai....yeh paint-shirt wale ka naatak se kurta-pazama aale bhi sharma jaaye...baap hai yeh sabka..pakka cunning politician..

 

[prashantacmet]

Of course, not my intntion to discredit opinions based on the party supported, but it was tiring to read the conspiracy theory and I didn't have the time or the inclination to write a point by point rebuttal of all those points.

But its true. Everywhere you look, BJP supporters are busy finding faults and discrediting the AAP by hook or by crook. They simply can't believe someone could offer an alternate to the Congress, that too without a riot or two to take advantage of. The Congress supporters are lying low though after the recent round of reversals and are till figuring out the strategy just like Rahul Gandhi.

rebuttal ka time nahi hai ya rebuttal hi nahi hai....sach likhte hue haath dukhte hai aapke?...hahahaha

 

[swaich]

rebuttal ka time nahi hai ya rebuttal hi nahi hai....sach likhte hue haath dukhte hai aapke?...hahahaha

Bhai kam se kam tum to mat aise kaho Bahut lambe lambe rebuttals likh chuka hun, bas ab pehle jaisa dimag nahi khapaya jata. Sochta hun, likhne do jo log likhte hain. Apna kya jata hai.

Still, here's a quick rebuttal - "Everything which has American fingerprints on it is toxic." I am sure that was written using everydat technology with ample American imprints on it

 

[atamjeet78]

You should have perhaps started your post with that sentence to save us the trouble of reading through that conspiracy theory.

I would like to apologies from bottom of my heart for wasting your precious time. I cannot do anything to restore your lost time. I hope you will spare my posts and avoid reading them in future.

1. Dr. Rajpal Ji, it was, perhaps, in a lighter vein. Of course, everyone is entitled to have a political opinion, even to the extent of being a hardcore supporter. But, the fact cannot be denied that our prejudices are bound to creep into our utterances, dialogue or literary expressions. In the instant case also, the analysis is not free from robust bias which evokes cynicism.

VP Singhji, How do you know it was in a lighter vein. I think esteemed intellectual like Mr Swiach is capable of defending his post himself.

1. Still, here's a quick rebuttal - "Everything which has American fingerprints on it is toxic." I am sure that was written using everydat technology with ample American imprints on it
   

I again apologies to you sir as I am unable to make it clear to you "American Fingerprints" imply to American needling into internal affairs of any sovereign country.

 

[atamjeet78]

I don’t like to build my opinions regarding someone based on 1 or 2 things. I analyze things from different sources and build my perception based on that. From Jatland I have picked couple things about AK, and like to refresh memory of fellow Jatlander
AK went out to campaign for holier than thou Kuldeep Bishnoi during Hissar byelection. And it was posted by one of member regarding AK’s episode at Uklana Mandi
One of forum members brother was fasting with AK at Ramleela ground and AK abruptly called off agitation without consulting those 300 people fasting with him.
I would love to be proven wrong in this instance, b'cos if he practice what he preaches than it will be a good thing for country.

 

[drrajpalsingh]

Friends,

None can deny Arun Kejriwal is a politician and would definitely use all the arms in his armour to carry forward his mission to fight for capturing and retaining power at different levels of our polity. Everyone has right to scrutinize his moves as critically as one does in the case of other political parties.

Thanks

 

[drrajpalsingh]

Honahar birvan ke hot chikne paat, so goes a Hindi proverb; it means coming events throw their shadow in advance. In the light of this saying let us start judging this new party government in Delhi. For example see the two/three points covered by the party so far.

AAP has already shunned its oft repeated slogan: Neither we shall take support nor give support to any political party.

Another promise was to give 700 litres of water and reduced rates of electricity within 24 hours of assuming the power. Now they are demanding ten-fifteen days.

More such points are likely to emerge out with the passage of time.

Nonetheless, these two points point out to the future steps that AAP seems to be ready to follow as pragmatic in politics as other established political parties do.

In other words does this not indicate that to enjoy power they would follow the oft beaten path, all political parties tread !

 

[prashantacmet]

AK : dangerous divisive policies...baap of congress in pseudo-secularism

- kamaal farooqui may join AAP..kamaal is the same guy who was expelled from SP for saying "yashin bhatkal was arrested being a muslim"

- maulana of bareli accused of barlei riots shared stage with aap

why the worshippers of secularism are mum on this? is this not divisive politics..he is more communal than BJP...

give this country in hand of AK for 5 years and I am sure we see another division..at least he will gift kashmeer to paksitan....had hai iski muslim-appeasement policies ..terrorits ka khule -aam paksh le raha hai..gaddar hai yeh desh ka

we don't need development at the cost of our country honor and pride.....he is also against our community .......koi bhi bhai iss vote na de diyo , yeh appeal aap sabse

 

[swaich]

Aren't we overly scrutinizing AAP' performance? That too within 48 hours of forming govt. Suddenly we have all become experts in tracking promises, histories and statements. Perhaps its the skeptic in all of us that refuses to believe a good political event can continue for long. If we would have paid this much attention and raised a hue and cry about all the unkempt promises and unholy nexus of the previous governments, perhaps AAP wouldn't have been required to come into the political arena.

Agreed the media is covering them day and night but that's media's job. AAP has challenges but lets give them time to perform. So what if it takes them 72 instead of 24 hours to give free water? How many CMs went to office straight after oath and worked on a Sunday? How many female Women welfare minsters surveyed the streets in the night like Rakhi Birla?

I too believe AAP's real credentials will be tested by a) delivering on promises and b) tackling complicated issues involving security or religious aspects. But for both of these we have to give them time or wait for the official word before saying they have failed or are communal, secular etc.

 

[sumitjattan]

Just one point which i want to add here is why people are not asking the question regarding the promises to other government in India .... atleast they are not corrupt people and dedicated to the welfare of people .... BJP and Congress seem united in criticizing them ..... Why all these conditions for APP only ???

Aren't we overly scrutinizing AAP' performance? That too within 48 hours of forming govt. Suddenly we have all become experts in tracking promises, histories and statements. Perhaps its the skeptic in all of us that refuses to believe a good political event can continue for long. If we would have paid this much attention and raised a hue and cry about all the unkempt promises and unholy nexus of the previous governments, perhaps AAP wouldn't have been required to come into the political arena.

Agreed the media is covering them day and night but that's media's job. AAP has challenges but lets give them time to perform. So what if it takes them 72 instead of 24 hours to give free water? How many CMs went to office straight after oath and worked on a Sunday? How many female Women welfare minsters surveyed the streets in the night like Rakhi Birla?

I too believe AAP's real credentials will be tested by a) delivering on promises and b) tackling complicated issues involving security or religious aspects. But for both of these we have to give them time or wait for the official word before saying they have failed or are communal, secular etc.