Challenges and Chances before AAP

[rekhasmriti]

Please feel free to ignore

“तथाकथित पश्चिमी ताकतों”

Pehli line padhte hi …..so called dialogue yad aaya ………desh mei kuch bhi upar neeche ho
When so called authorities were asked “ W questions “ , they tend to ans “ Ismei Videshi Takton ka Hath hai “

 

[atamjeet78]

Just one point which i want to add here is why people are not asking the question regarding the promises to other government in India .... atleast they are not corrupt people and dedicated to the welfare of people .... BJP and Congress seem united in criticizing them ..... Why all these conditions for APP only ???

Summit you are asking pertinent question.. WHY ONLY AAP??
Because they went to town saying Cong and BJP are one and same but we are different. If they have not taken those high grounds no one would be asking them these questions. All these question are to debunk the myth they are different.
They are also same as other power hungry politicos. They need power and it doesnt matter how they get it. Wether it is under the Burqa of secularism(pls read muslim appeasment) Batla House encounter fake or trying to project themselves as patriotic( give tkt to NSG commando). Giving freebies like every other party be it laloo, Akhilesh, Mamta or Amma.
And soon with these freebies they gonna empty the state exchquere and than cry for Central grant(like Mamta & Nitish) and shout Centre is indifferent to Delhi's need.

Decade ago we used to think (me included) how bad can Sonia be than right winger religious zealout Advani (to these day I dont like Advani b'cos of image created by media). And its before us what those socialist policies can do.

One thing I really like about AAP is atleast it will force the established party to part away or deny tickets tainted leaders. But then there are backdoors too like Rajay Sabha.

 

[fateh]

साहब जी, मानव जाति की सेवा का ऑफर तो हमेशां सब के लिए खुला ही रहता है, ऐसे नेक काम के लिए किसी खास न्योते की जरूरत नहीं होती i मगर चौधर की चाहत और ऐशो इशरत की हसरत इंसानों को इंकलाब की राह पर पेशकदमी से अक्सर रोक देती है i राजनीति में हवेलियों की ठेकेदारी, ठोलेदारी, और चंद खानदानों की पीढ़ीगत बादशाहत ख़तम करने की तमन्ना रखते हो तो खुद ही जाकर चुपके से कह दो कि :

My dear SP SINGH, I have no such desire as you have mentioned, Under the blessing of my parents and the God, I have seen enough and now also holding many important places, In brief- Dear in yadav area where in our college we were only 8 jat students but still I became president of college, I was Gen Secy of first Haryana student union, during partition of punjab I was one of the important person who worked for chandigarh and faced bullets at rewari and narnaul railway stations and court cases Also I regularly keep on serving kissans, ex-servicemen, animals and working against certain bad practices in the society like dowary,religious blind faith, casteism, etc I also provide free legal advise to kissans and fauji people when ever where ever possible and from student days onwards working for the community, kissans, elderly people etc,From class one till tenth I was monitor of my class, in college remained class repersentative, was declared best sportsman of the college narnaul, best student of kishan lal public college rewari, was first person to be selected direct officer for army from my dist, , played volleyball in national in 68 from Haryana, repersented punjab university in badminton in inter universities, was best cadet of punjab, haryana and himachal in NCC and commanded republic day NCC contigent, In 73 I was cross country team captain of Army, Navy and Air force team in national competition, When I joined Army I was only graduate and in service I completed three masters(history, pol science and management,) professional law and few diplomas, In commando course I was declared second best commando, in PT course broken old record of 10 miles run, Being an Infantry officer was posted physical training officer in centre where prepared many sportsmen, Drafted present NCC act and rules, had an opportunity to serve on deputation on legal post senior to session judge, Traced and brought 86 villages of kharb jats together and started the khanp organisation, After retirement in 2000, I am member Haryana Rajaya sainik board and Animal welfare board of India,since 1988 I am numberdar of my village, since 2001 I am running a security company and my company is only one in gujarat which has been awarded an appreciation certificate from ministry of finance of India for honestly paying govt dues . Previous to previous elections in haryana, BJP AND Chautala sahab were giving me tickets from narnaul but I declined, even in aug 13 when I was elected president of ex-services league of my dist BJP requested me to join BJP, and many more, SO DEAR i AM NOT NEW TO CHAUDHAR,dear unfortunately, on jatland majority of members neither know me nor understand me, but no problem, I am really not dying for chaudhar, I donot work to show to people, THOSE WHO KNOW KEJARIAWAL will agree that he himself is not honest, after he selected ministers you can make out his honesty no kissan or amadamy in the list, but certainly his movement has positive effect, now let us see his execution part, I sincerely wish him all the best

 

[swaich]

Sir, I put a link earlier i will do it agian but I am worried it may cause a loss of your precious time.
http://beyondheadlines.in/2013/12/cias-trojan-horse-enters-the-heart-of-india/

Atam bhai I do not know that website. And I am not sure how reliable their research is. But here's something I found on HT. Courts have cleared NGOs associated with Kejriwal.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India...India-Against-Corruption/Article1-999182.aspx

It appears an NGO run by Sisodia and Kejriwal did recieve donations from FF some years back. But AAP was only floated last year. So not sure if these donations were diverted to AAP.

Sir, I am aware of Bangaru Laxman and trap laid by esteemed intellect Tarun Tejpal for paltry some of 1.5 lakh. What it did was completely froze the modernisation on Indian Defence forces. Sir, please inform us what happened of that case..according to my memory a mountian was made out of mole but security establishment suffered. We lost out on lot of stratigic valuable deals.

And TT's tactics and business model or we can say extortion model was descrutinized recently by media only.

Ch. Bansilal once said, "Main Dudh ka duhla nahi hoon, Bhajanlal and Devilal are big chors, I am chota Chor but I am a performer". Yes, I am fan of Modi, I see in him Bansilal of yesteryear but without any family or dependant baggage.

Atam, a bribe is a bribe. It is this flexibility of our own judgement that allows people to get away with corruption. After all, a small thief turns into a bigger thief some day. And hundreds of small thieves are equivalent or bigger than a big thief.

Why our defence procurement is slow is caused by a variety of factors and middlemen offering bribes to ministers, bureaucrats and senior defence officers is one of them.

Someone is paying for that media exposure AK is getting, I dont know who.. so I come up with conspiracy theory. I dont think he is a Cong's B team, he is much smarter than that.

That is what I have against conspiracy theories. They are just that - theories. They are a product of our minds that refuse to accept events as they are unacceptable to our views. I genuinely believe Kejriwal is an honest man out to do good. That doesn't mean his party AAP will be able to do good as that is dependent on a number of factors. But only time will tell. Untill then, lets not frame conspiracy theories just beause we cant understand whats going on.

Why didnt Main Stream Media gave coverage or show anything regarding Goa CM M. Parikar who goes to office on his motorcycle and who dont use any security at all. I dont buy his argument that he dont need security.. if you look further you will find there are 10 delhi police personnel and 4 Gaziabad policemen are guarding his apartment building ofcourse in plain clothes. More resources are being used to provide him security b'cos of his drama covertly.

Media is biased towards North India. I live in Chennai and I see very less coverage of TN or the South in general in mainstream media. Congress and BJP have been second grade parties here for more than 20 years but no mainstream media covers the work of Jayalalitha who has opened over 200 govt run canteens offering subsidized hygienic food, drinking water and vegetables to the the lower middle class. No one in the media even talks about it.

And I do think that not moving into a bungalow might be a purely symbolic gesture after all with little practical benefit. Kejriwal's neighbors aren't going to be pleased about the constant media presence, police and govt officials in their colony.

 

[swaich]

"आप" वाले इतनी हड़बड़ी में क्यों हैं?:

मुझे ऐसा क्यों लगता है कि तथाकथित पश्चिमी ताकतों ने जब देखा कि उन्होंने कांग्रेस के जरिये भारत में इस हद तक की लूट मचा ली है कि भारतीय जनता अब कांग्रेस को बदलने के मूड में हैं और जो बदले में आ रहे थे वो इन ताकतों के आगे झुकेंगे या उनके मंसूबों को उनके मुताबिक यहाँ कामयाब नहीं होने देंगे (होने देते या नहीं वो बाद की बात थी, पर संदेह का आलम अंतराष्ट्रीय स्तर पर हर जगह छाया हुआ था) इसमें उनको संदेह लग रहा था तो उन्होंने "आप" खड़ी करवा दी ताकि कांग्रेस का वोट टूट के कहीं जाए तो ऐसे दल के पास जो उन्हीं का पिछलग्गू हो| मैं इस मसले पर अभी तक सब कुछ चुपचाप बैठ के अध्ययन कर रहा था और किसी नतीजे पर पहुँचने से पहले खुद को आशवस्त कर लेना चाहता था कि क्या वाकई में यह नया बदलाव है और बदलाव है तो उसमें "आप" पार्टी की इतनी बड़ी बेचैनी क्यों कि जुम्मा-जुम्मा दो दिन हुए नहीं दिल्ली में सरकार बने और आज लोकसभा की तीन सौ सीटों से भी चुनाव लड़ने का ऐलान कर दिया| यह बात इसी पर इशारा करती है कि "आप" के जरिये होने वाले इस सांकेतिक से बदलाव की डोर भारत से बाहर से हिलाई जा रही है|

वर्ना भारतीय संविधान के क़ानून के अनुसार व्यापारिक, पारिवारिक व् जन-कल्याण की गतिविधियों को छोड़, कोई भी विदेशी इंसान/संस्था किसी भी भारतीय राजनैतिक दल को धन उपलब्ध नहीं करवा सकता, और यह कानून NRIs (Non-Residential Indians) पर भी लागु होता है| कल को अगर इसकी जांच हो जाए तो भारतीय कानून के अनुसार वो सारे NRIs इसमें नप सकते हैं जिन्होनें NRI होते हुए भारत में किसी राजनैतिक पार्टी जैसे कि "आप" को पैसा दिया है|

मैं यहाँ "आप" वालों के जरिये देश में जो परिवर्तन की बयार बहने की आश जगी है उसका विरोध नहीं करता परन्तु इतनी हड़बड़ी और इनके कार्य करने के तौर-तरीके मेरी शंका को तीव्रता देते हैं| बाकी समय के साथ तो सब उजागर होना ही है|

Phool ji, I must say speed (or haste as you put it) is very feeble ground to dream up the kind of international conspiracy theory that you did. Perhaps you are guilty of the same crime - haste, in judging AAP!

 

[prikshit]

Phool ji, I must say speed (or haste as you put it) is very feeble ground to dream up the kind of international conspiracy theory that you did. Perhaps you are guilty of the same crime - haste, in judging AAP!

Agreed Jaspreet!!!! But those who are riding on the promises made and as said fulfilled by AAP should also avoid. Doing things for a shorter period is one thing, but when it is about prolonged period than it is a challenge. Misery of the situation is elections are too near, I hope the outcome is not a hung assembly this time.

 

[drrajpalsingh]

The AAP has started to take up their manifesto items for implementation with granting permission for about 700 litres of free water to only those consumers who have metered water connections.

For shortage water supply areas more concrete steps have yet to be devised in future.

 

[drrajpalsingh]

साहब जी, मानव जाति की सेवा का ऑफर तो हमेशां सब के लिए खुला ही रहता है, ऐसे नेक काम के लिए किसी खास न्योते की जरूरत नहीं होती i मगर चौधर की चाहत और ऐशो इशरत की हसरत इंसानों को इंकलाब की राह पर पेशकदमी से अक्सर रोक देती है i राजनीति में हवेलियों की ठेकेदारी, ठोलेदारी, और चंद खानदानों की पीढ़ीगत बादशाहत ख़तम करने की तमन्ना रखते हो तो खुद ही जाकर चुपके से कह दो कि :

My dear SP SINGH, I have no such desire as you have mentioned, Under the blessing of my parents and the God, I have seen enough and now also holding many important places, In brief- Dear in yadav area where in our college we were only 8 jat students but still I became president of college, I was Gen Secy of first Haryana student union, during partition of punjab I was one of the important person who worked for chandigarh and faced bullets at rewari and narnaul railway stations and court cases Also I regularly keep on serving kissans, ex-servicemen, animals and working against certain bad practices in the society like dowary,religious blind faith, casteism, etc I also provide free legal advise to kissans and fauji people when ever where ever possible and from student days onwards working for the community, kissans, elderly people etc,From class one till tenth I was monitor of my class, in college remained class repersentative, was declared best sportsman of the college narnaul, best student of kishan lal public college rewari, was first person to be selected direct officer for army from my dist, , played volleyball in national in 68 from Haryana, repersented punjab university in badminton in inter universities, was best cadet of punjab, haryana and himachal in NCC and commanded republic day NCC contigent, In 73 I was cross country team captain of Army, Navy and Air force team in national competition, When I joined Army I was only graduate and in service I completed three masters(history, pol science and management,) professional law and few diplomas, In commando course I was declared second best commando, in PT course broken old record of 10 miles run, Being an Infantry officer was posted physical training officer in centre where prepared many sportsmen, Drafted present NCC act and rules, had an opportunity to serve on deputation on legal post senior to session judge, Traced and brought 86 villages of kharb jats together and started the khanp organisation, After retirement in 2000, I am member Haryana Rajaya sainik board and Animal welfare board of India,since 1988 I am numberdar of my village, since 2001 I am running a security company and my company is only one in gujarat which has been awarded an appreciation certificate from ministry of finance of India for honestly paying govt dues . Previous to previous elections in haryana, BJP AND Chautala sahab were giving me tickets from narnaul but I declined, even in aug 13 when I was elected president of ex-services league of my dist BJP requested me to join BJP, and many more, SO DEAR i AM NOT NEW TO CHAUDHAR,dear unfortunately, on jatland majority of members neither know me nor understand me, but no problem, I am really not dying for chaudhar, I donot work to show to people, THOSE WHO KNOW KEJARIAWAL will agree that he himself is not honest, after he selected ministers you can make out his honesty no kissan or amadamy in the list, but certainly his movement has positive effect, now let us see his execution part, I sincerely wish him all the best

Salute Sir, we are proud of your multifaceted activities.

 

[drrajpalsingh]

AAP Government has granted some rebate in electricity rates in Delhi on experimental basis for three months of the current fiscal. Earlier to it, they slashed water charges ! These two populist demands have been met within no time by them. But alternative sources have to be tapped to meet the deficit caused by these measures which are yet to be announced by the Government.

 

[fateh]

Salute Sir, we are proud of your multifaceted activities.

Thank you very much sir regards

 

[krishdel]

It will be burden on Middle class - to pay 10% extra on water in Delhi

Water - AAP has neglected Dawarka , Unauthorized Colonies & Delhi Villages.
660 Liter water per will not be enough for 90 % population having meter.
- To take bath one time minimum water required per head 30 liter
- After Bath to wash banian & underwear - 30 liter
Total Time to take bath & wash underwear = 60 Liter
( For comparison you can check Paint Bucket of Asian Paint / Tractor Paint of 20 liters may be found at home)

In a family of 4 ( without parents ) - 60*4 = 240 Liter for Bathing
If Parent then = 6*60= 360 liter Per Day for Bathing
For Drinking and Fooding = 100 Liter Par Day
Washing Dishes ( Bartan) = 150 Liter Per Day
Toilets = 100 Liter Per Day
Washing Floor ( Pocha) = 60 Liter Per Day

Total = (240+100+150+100+60)= 650 Liter Per Day For 4 member Family
Total=(360+100+150+150+60) = 820 liter Per Day for Family with Parents

Weekly Washing of Cloths = 350 Liters ( Divide By 7 ) = 50 Liter Per Day

Total Per Day Consumption for Family of 4 = 710 Liters per Day
Total Per Day consumption for Family of 4 with parents = 870 Liters per Day

This is the bare minimum requirement of winter .
In summer a person may take bath more than once.

I think 90 % Delhi Population is not going to get any benefit from this and reverse they will pay 10% extra.

AAP Government has granted some rebate in electricity rates in Delhi on experimental basis for three months of the current fiscal. Earlier to it, they slashed water charges ! These two populist demands have been met within no time by them. But alternative sources have to be tapped to meet the deficit caused by these measures which are yet to be announced by the Government.

 

[krishdel]

AAP is not sincere about corruption , Kejriwal selected one Rajender Kumar a bihari from Patna as Chief Secretary was education director some years back in Delhi. All the computers were purchased during that time in Delhi School. Now all those computers are part of damaged items and hardly 10% of them were used. For more information better u put a RTI on purchase to know the facts. What is this?

 

[ssgoyat]

Water - AAP has neglected Dawarka , Unauthorized Colonies & Delhi Villages.
660 Liter water per will not be enough for 90 % population having meter.
- To take bath one time minimum water required per head 30 liter
- After Bath to wash banian & underwear - 30 liter
Total Time to take bath & wash underwear = 60 Liter
( For comparison you can check Paint Bucket of Asian Paint / Tractor Paint of 20 liters may be found at home)

In a family of 4 ( without parents ) - 60*4 = 240 Liter for Bathing
If Parent then = 6*60= 360 liter Per Day for Bathing
For Drinking and Fooding = 100 Liter Par Day
Washing Dishes ( Bartan) = 150 Liter Per Day
Toilets = 100 Liter Per Day
Washing Floor ( Pocha) = 60 Liter Per Day

Total = (240+100+150+100+60)= 650 Liter Per Day For 4 member Family
Total=(360+100+150+150+60) = 820 liter Per Day for Family with Parents

Weekly Washing of Cloths = 350 Liters ( Divide By 7 ) = 50 Liter Per Day

Total Per Day Consumption for Family of 4 = 710 Liters per Day
Total Per Day consumption for Family of 4 with parents = 870 Liters per Day

This is the bare minimum requirement of winter .
In summer a person may take bath more than once.

I think 90 % Delhi Population is not going to get any benefit from this and reverse they will pay 10% extra.

:applause:


For a faimily, with parents.. weekly requirement for washing banian and underwear (after bath) is (6*30*7)= 1260 Ltr/week.... is 3.6 times greater than weekly clothes washing requirement = 350 Ltr

And it may go up 7 times in summer.

 

[drrajpalsingh]

:applause:


For a faimily, with parents.. weekly requirement for washing banian and underwear (after bath) is (6*30*7)= 1260 Ltr/week.... is 3.6 times greater than weekly clothes washing requirement = 350 Ltr

And it may go up 7 times in summer.

About electricity charges so much as 50% concession is said to have been granted for remaining three months of the present fiscal.

I think it is not 50% of the electricity bill; they are playing with statistical data to get political mileage.


Could anyone throw figures showing realistic data of the quantum of relief granted to Delhi Electricity consumers for three months of the present fiscal !

 

[drrajpalsingh]

AAP is not sincere about corruption , Kejriwal selected one Rajender Kumar a bihari from Patna as Chief Secretary was education director some years back in Delhi. All the computers were purchased during that time in Delhi School. Now all those computers are part of damaged items and hardly 10% of them were used. For more information better u put a RTI on purchase to know the facts. What is this?

It is a serious charge and revelation if proves to be true, then the myth of anti-corrupt AAP would stand exposed.

 

[virj]

Don't know why people form opinion so early. It is a movement which evolved as a result of public anger against Congress and BJP's inability to provide effective alternative.

It also shows that people are so tired of corruption and ineffective governance than they are even ready to experiment with inexperienced govt. They think it cant be worse than already corrupt govt.

Give them some time. Its too early to judge. Those who are criticising them are doing so either because of their cynicism or due to pre conceived notions.

 

[drrajpalsingh]

Don't know why people form opinion so early. It is a movement which evolved as a result of public anger against Congress and BJP's inability to provide effective alternative.

It also shows that people are so tired of corruption and ineffective governance than they are even ready to experiment with inexperienced govt. They think it cant be worse than already corrupt govt.

Give them some time. Its too early to judge. Those who are criticising them are doing so either because of their cynicism or due to pre conceived notions.

People have given a hang assembly and AAP is going to run the government with the help of the Congress.

The fact cannot be overlooked by anyone. So one has to take into consideration that what steps it is going to initiate against all type of 'corruption' during the previous regime.

 

[atamjeet78]

Atam bhai I do not know that website. And I am not sure how reliable their research is. But here's something I found on HT. Courts have cleared NGOs associated with Kejriwal.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India...India-Against-Corruption/Article1-999182.aspx

It appears an NGO run by Sisodia and Kejriwal did recieve donations from FF some years back. But AAP was only floated last year. So not sure if these donations were diverted to AAP.

Well, they have received funding there is no denying about that. American doesn’t give anything to anyone for free. America is the shrewdest Nation on the Earth. For them American interest is supreme, they don’t care about democracy, religious freedom or social freedom. These are tools used by them to suit their interest. That’s the reason why I say anything American is toxic. You can see all over globe how they have destroyed or subverted national aspiration of sovereign countries. Smart nations have used it smartly like Japan, Taiwan and South Korea while countries like Pakistan has created a mess of themselves.
Kenya and other African countries started receiving food aid from US in early 80’s and now there agriculture is destroyed.
AAP senior leader Parshant Bhushan was in Chennai recently and was agitating against the Kundankulam Nuclear Power Plant. Now question to be asked Are they against the power generation? Or they agianst nuclear power? Or they are against the power plant set up by Russian?
There is enough evidence of Church funded by west opposing Russian venture.
There is Nuclear power plant coming up in Fatehbad. There is also protest going on against it. Does Main Stream Media (MSM) highlight it? According to me MSM is also compromised they speak the language of west and manage perception to further Wests interest.
I can go on and on, but that will be beyond the ambit of discussion we have on our hand.
My only contempt against AK (though he may have good intention) is American Funding and secondly he will be putting us back on socialism path of Nehru which is not sustainable in this economic environment.

 

[vicky84]

If AAP wins about 10-15 LS Seats in the 2014 General Election then it will be big challenge for BJP to form a govt in Centre.

AAP will undo all the Modi effect!

 

[vicky84]

About electricity charges so much as 50% concession is said to have been granted for remaining three months of the present fiscal.

I think it is not 50% of the electricity bill; they are playing with statistical data to get political mileage.


Could anyone throw figures showing realistic data of the quantum of relief granted to Delhi Electricity consumers for three months of the present fiscal !

Within 3 days he has done a lot. After the Audit of Electricity provider companies, he would not rely on the subsidy anymore. There are strong chances that these power companies have forged the balance sheets. So we should be patient and hope for Kezriwal govt to survive at this point of time.

So far he has delivered a lot within very less time and resources. It takes a lot of time to change the rotten system. No body was so impatient before.