Challenges and Chances before AAP
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Thik kia nhi kia wo ek alag mudda hai. Kam kar ke dhikate hai to achi hi bat hia Delhi ke liye. Another good thing is BJP/Congress will keep AAP on toes to majburi hai unki perform karna. Par AAP jo galti kar rhi hai wo ye hai Delhi se momentum leke National level pe hung assembly ke chance karwa rhi hai in that case Congress supported UPA-3 or mullam yadav/mayawati/ nitish etc jaisi sickulars ki mauj ho jayegi.
Bhai har koi chance dene ki bat kar rha hai ki ek chance dena chahiye....Bhaio Modi te center me ek chance dene me dikkat ke hai hai? Seculars pls keep away, otherwise btao ke kami hai uske candidature me. AK te chance de te dia dilli me....thode din prove karne do, hum bhi sath denge.
Dono ka bhai.....
Brother, I donot say that BJP should have form the govt, governor rule and early election was batter choice for public as well as AAP
anilsangwan
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Assuming that there was re-election conducted as you suggested - AAP would have formed the govt with clear majority this time!! ( there are several strong reasons for this as many BJP and Congress MLAs would have lost this time as in the last election no one took AAP so seriously and secondly why would anyone make Congress MLAs win when they know that their party is kind of wiped out from Delhi... etc etc).
To agar re-election ke baad bhi AAP ki sarkaar hi banne waali thee to fir badhiya hua ki Janata ka paisa barbaad hone se bach gaya !!!
To agar re-election ke baad bhi AAP ki sarkaar hi banne waali thee to fir badhiya hua ki Janata ka paisa barbaad hone se bach gaya !!!
drrajpalsingh
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It is so because, AAP proclaims from house tops that it is different than other political parties; and indeed it is different because they want to remain always in news on one pretext or the other.
Media attention hungry are its ministers and office bearers who take the media with them in the Delhi Metro to show off what they are doing !
Even today many people want to know what is the truth about the supposed attack claim on AAM ADAMI Minister's car !
Other members also rush to the media/press to announce every bit they did or wanted to do. Their these utterances lead one to take note of these 'common peoples' doings day in and day out.
Your own long quote in another post also suggests how before proper inquiry same Prashant Bhushan, who indulged in 'plebiscite in Jammu and Kashmir' controversy is now denying his anti national statement and without proper inquiry slapped the blame on his political adversaries !!
So 'holier than thou stance' adopted by AAM AAdami Party and their leaders utterances to remain in news is under scanner by one and all whether layman or the adept political analyst !
pawandahiya
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Dr Rajpal, agreed that AAP is corrupt, media hungry, power hungry... What is congress? Holier than thou?
By the way congress announced that if electricity cuts are not reduced from 4-6 hours they will stage dharna. Holy cow! As if they used to provide 24 hours electricity! Pious Kangress!
Please enlighten us.
By the way congress announced that if electricity cuts are not reduced from 4-6 hours they will stage dharna. Holy cow! As if they used to provide 24 hours electricity! Pious Kangress!
Please enlighten us.
Rajpal ji, is AAP the only party to make (tall?) promises before elections? Are they the first party to proclaim themselves as different from others? Almost every party that wins, it does because it offers something different to either rational or irrational notions of the voters.
Agreed, we should hold them responsible for what they promised. But going after each and every word and action of theirs without giving them enough time to perform isn't fair at all and only leads to unreasonable assumptions.
Most of us agree to an extent that AAP is made up of decent people who wish to do good and are better than other players in the political scene. And for a party that's starting for the first time, lets give them the margin of error. The hope of the people and the promises are high but we will have to afford them time and the space to make mistakes and learn from them. If we can afford more than 60 years of enormous mistakes of others, surely 1 month of AAP can't do any more harm.
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Have patience Dr., time will tell.
Depends the way one looks at it. The way I saw was that that it was the desire to fulfill the dreams which had led AAP to form the government.
drrajpalsingh
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Thanks Friend.
Kejariwal had sworn in public meetings that he would not take the support of any political but he took a U-turn snd accepted Congress support to form his minority government. Then, he has taken a similar U-turn on his decision to live in a flat and not take security. Indeed, he is chief minister of Delhi and have to accept adequate security cover.
Then, see the much drummed about promise of reducing the electricity charges by 50%. Instead he reduced them only to meagre 19 % for the lowest category of consumers , and is claiming that he has fulfilled his election time promise immediately. What about 31% more promised reduction on this count! In fact, this type of sops are a ruse of the AAP.
Giving sops to woo the electorate is considered a sin in modern politics and to be honest in politics one has to be honest both in financial and ethical terms and AAP seems to have violated both these criteria.
This type of the points which had been agitating our minds but now there remains no doubt that you have also clearly made us understand that AAP is not a political party 'with difference'; in other words it is one of the same type of political parties as are other existing political parties !
drrajpalsingh
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I am at complete ease and only want to point out to the nature and results of outside support story of Congress to Shri Charan Singh, Shri Chander Shekhar and many more ! What is so special in Kejariwal that will change Congress game plan to pull him down as and when they feel to do so !!!
All in all the fact is revealed by the proverb that goes: closing eyes by pigeons does not blind the attacking cat!!!
anilsangwan
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Very valid point sir. However, my personal opinion is that it is Kejriwal who has a control over Congress gameplan now. How??
If Kejriwal keeps performing and does a good job ( like the power tariff cut, water bill cut, anti corruption helpline etc etc), Congress will never take a chance of facing the public ire by pulling the plug. However, if he doesnt perform for few months - Congress will surely make it a reason to do like how they did in the past.
On the other hand, the fear of getting the plug pulled - Kejriwal will have to do better job to safeguard his position. This is good for common man.
So, bass hamein intjaar karna hoga !!! :applause:
If Kejriwal keeps performing and does a good job ( like the power tariff cut, water bill cut, anti corruption helpline etc etc), Congress will never take a chance of facing the public ire by pulling the plug. However, if he doesnt perform for few months - Congress will surely make it a reason to do like how they did in the past.
On the other hand, the fear of getting the plug pulled - Kejriwal will have to do better job to safeguard his position. This is good for common man.
So, bass hamein intjaar karna hoga !!! :applause:
[h=1]When the nice guys didn’t finish last[/h]http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lea...-finish-last/article5554425.ece?homepage=true
[h=2]By winning without money power and muscle power, the AAP has become both a fascinating case study and an important benchmark in the movement toward clean elections[/h]
The importance of the Aam Aadmi Party’s stunning triumph in the recently concluded election to the Delhi Assembly goes beyond its impressive numbers (28 in an Assembly of 70). It even goes beyond its being able to form a government (albeit with outside support). Its greatest achievement lies in its being able to win a clean election, without having to resort to money and muscle power or without having to exhort caste, creed, class or religious loyalties. It kept its expenditure within the statutory limit (Rs.16 lakh for an election to the State Assembly of Delhi). That any candidate can win an election today within the limits set by law, even with the support of party cadres, is a fact to be applauded. But when a political party wins an election without breaking the election code in any significant respect, and that too under harsh media glare in the national capital, it is all the more remarkable. The AAP’s candidates, by all accounts, had very little money in their pockets. They, however, succeeded in raising largely small donations from within their neighbourhoods. Their example provides hope that there may actually be a way out of the spiral of vastly excessive election expenditure. For, in recent years, all parties having declared “winnability” to be their “mantra,” have usually ended up giving tickets to those wealthy enough to fund their own elections. In addition, muscle power, even criminality, has often been viewed as bonus points. Once caught in this spiral, most of our political parties have been unable to find a way out of this impasse. Surely, this is where the success of the AAP becomes both a fascinating case study and an important benchmark toward cleaner elections.
The crorepati factorOver the last several years, there has been a growing tendency for all the established political parties to choose crorepatis as their candidates. Since all candidates have by law to furnish sworn affidavits to the Election Commission of India (ECI) pursuant to an order of the Supreme Court (2002) regarding their wealth, education and criminal cases if any, some non-governmental organisations have been collating these figures and putting them up on their websites. At this point, I need to qualify a few points that are not necessarily interrelated, for just the bold assertion of figures of crorepatis can sometimes lead us to draw the wrong conclusions. One, as property prices have risen dramatically in recent years, anyone owning a house in a city or a large town becomes, ipso facto, a crorepati. For example, a house or piece of land purchased for one lakh rupees in 1970, might well be worth several crores today. Paradoxically, there are candidates who deliberately undervalue their wealth. Having qualified this, statistics do however reveal that the established parties prefer to hand out tickets to the wealthy, obviously on the assumption that they would fund their own elections without overly burdening the party. This trend is evident from the figures collated by the Association for Democratic Reforms (ADR) over the last several elections, both to Parliament and State Assemblies.
Assembly electionsThis trend is also reflected in the figures on the ADR website which reveals that in the recent Delhi Assembly election, the cumulative percentage of crorepatis was 33 per cent. The SAD party led with both its candidates being crorepatis (hence 100 per cent), the INC followed with 87 per cent crorepatis, while the BJP had 85 per cent. The AAP, too, had its share of crorepatis at 47 per cent. Interestingly, the average asset of the INC candidates was 14+ crores of rupees, the BJP’s was 8+ crore, while the AAP declared 2+ crore. In Madhya Pradesh, the BJP reflected 70 per cent crorepatis, while the INC had 66 per cent and the BSP 18 per cent. In Rajasthan the BJP figures were 75 per cent and the INC 70 per cent. In Mizoram, the MPC fielded eight candidates, all crorepatis, while the INC had 73 per cent and the MNF fielded 65 per cent. In Chhattisgarh, the average figure of all parties was 22 per cent with the INC at 68 per cent and the BJP at 66 per cent.
The combination of money and muscle power (the latter however covert), are increasingly dangerous signs that we need to recognise and combat. It is fortunate that our founding fathers, with consummate wisdom, created institutions that have been able to withstand some of the distortions that have crept in. Over the years, the Supreme Court, the High Courts, the Election Commission (and Parliament when it chooses to engage in serious debate), have through a number of important judgments, orders and legislation strengthened our democratic framework. The Election Commission has over the last few decades brought in much greater equality and transparency to combat electoral malpractices, and has effectively outlawed the strong-arm methods of yesteryear. The Supreme Court has recently, in another momentous decision (Lily Thomas vs Union of India, July 10, 2013), removed the protective shield that MPs and MLAs hitherto enjoyed, which was that even upon conviction for a whole host of offences, they could continue to enjoy the shelter of Parliament/legislature, simply if they filed an appeal within 90 days!
Curbing money powerElectoral money power has been a most difficult problem to resolve. When I was Election Commissioner and later Chief Election Commissioner, it was often very frustrating to see how candidates, despite the presence of the Election Commission’s Observers during election, used all manner of deception to distribute money and freebies in order to lure voters. There seemed to be no end to human ingenuity when it came to their methods. Large sums of cash were ferried in the most unlikely of private and public vehicles, and in the Karnataka elections of 2008, even milk vans and ambulances were not spared from the most blatant misuse. While over Rs.40 crore of cash and freebies were seized by vigilant officials, unknown amounts of clandestine sums would doubtless have reached their destinations. By-elections, in particular, were characterised by their sheer brazenness in this respect. The by-election of Thirumangalam (Tamil Nadu, December 2008-January 2009) marked a particularly low point for the Election Commission in this regard. Elections in Bellary in Karnataka too provided another case study of how far this malaise had reached. During elections there, a number of poll-related criminal cases were registered; yet, almost the first step that the newly elected State government sought to do was to withdraw these cases. In what otherwise might have been an amusing case study involving our bureaucracy, the Public Prosecutor was ordered by the State government to move the court to withdraw these cases, while the Election Commission passed orders that all election-related offences would instead be contested in court on their merits, and could not be withdrawn by executive orders. The High Court was later to uphold the ECI’s position. These and other such cases of money and muscle power were surely not those to make us feel proud as a people.
However, it would be one-sided on my part to paint everything as negative. Far from it. These aberrations apart, there are a whole host of positives. Unlike many other countries which obtained freedom from colonial rule at about the same time and have only enjoyed brief democratic interludes between long periods of military dictatorship or the most wrenching of insurgencies, India has been a stable democracy throughout. In India, we have always held elections on mandated time — every time. There has invariably been a willing acceptance of the people’s mandate. The loser has consistently passed on the baton to the winner without hesitation. The Election Commission is viewed as fair and impartial. Court orders in election-related petitions have been accepted without demur. All these are no mean achievements, even if we were to compare ourselves to very developed countries with a much higher per capita income than our own.
In this larger context it may help to explain why it is important for us, as a still evolving democracy, that this recently created political phenomenon has successfully been able to demonstrate that elections can be won without resorting to calls of caste, religion, subterfuge, muscle and money. That the AAP candidates were able to identify the problems that were troubling their neighbours was because they themselves were integral to both the problems and the neighbourhood, and, as a result, neither deep pockets nor muscle had any role to play .
(Navin B. Chawla is a former Chief Election Commissioner of India.)
[h=2]By winning without money power and muscle power, the AAP has become both a fascinating case study and an important benchmark in the movement toward clean elections[/h]
The importance of the Aam Aadmi Party’s stunning triumph in the recently concluded election to the Delhi Assembly goes beyond its impressive numbers (28 in an Assembly of 70). It even goes beyond its being able to form a government (albeit with outside support). Its greatest achievement lies in its being able to win a clean election, without having to resort to money and muscle power or without having to exhort caste, creed, class or religious loyalties. It kept its expenditure within the statutory limit (Rs.16 lakh for an election to the State Assembly of Delhi). That any candidate can win an election today within the limits set by law, even with the support of party cadres, is a fact to be applauded. But when a political party wins an election without breaking the election code in any significant respect, and that too under harsh media glare in the national capital, it is all the more remarkable. The AAP’s candidates, by all accounts, had very little money in their pockets. They, however, succeeded in raising largely small donations from within their neighbourhoods. Their example provides hope that there may actually be a way out of the spiral of vastly excessive election expenditure. For, in recent years, all parties having declared “winnability” to be their “mantra,” have usually ended up giving tickets to those wealthy enough to fund their own elections. In addition, muscle power, even criminality, has often been viewed as bonus points. Once caught in this spiral, most of our political parties have been unable to find a way out of this impasse. Surely, this is where the success of the AAP becomes both a fascinating case study and an important benchmark toward cleaner elections.
The crorepati factorOver the last several years, there has been a growing tendency for all the established political parties to choose crorepatis as their candidates. Since all candidates have by law to furnish sworn affidavits to the Election Commission of India (ECI) pursuant to an order of the Supreme Court (2002) regarding their wealth, education and criminal cases if any, some non-governmental organisations have been collating these figures and putting them up on their websites. At this point, I need to qualify a few points that are not necessarily interrelated, for just the bold assertion of figures of crorepatis can sometimes lead us to draw the wrong conclusions. One, as property prices have risen dramatically in recent years, anyone owning a house in a city or a large town becomes, ipso facto, a crorepati. For example, a house or piece of land purchased for one lakh rupees in 1970, might well be worth several crores today. Paradoxically, there are candidates who deliberately undervalue their wealth. Having qualified this, statistics do however reveal that the established parties prefer to hand out tickets to the wealthy, obviously on the assumption that they would fund their own elections without overly burdening the party. This trend is evident from the figures collated by the Association for Democratic Reforms (ADR) over the last several elections, both to Parliament and State Assemblies.
Assembly electionsThis trend is also reflected in the figures on the ADR website which reveals that in the recent Delhi Assembly election, the cumulative percentage of crorepatis was 33 per cent. The SAD party led with both its candidates being crorepatis (hence 100 per cent), the INC followed with 87 per cent crorepatis, while the BJP had 85 per cent. The AAP, too, had its share of crorepatis at 47 per cent. Interestingly, the average asset of the INC candidates was 14+ crores of rupees, the BJP’s was 8+ crore, while the AAP declared 2+ crore. In Madhya Pradesh, the BJP reflected 70 per cent crorepatis, while the INC had 66 per cent and the BSP 18 per cent. In Rajasthan the BJP figures were 75 per cent and the INC 70 per cent. In Mizoram, the MPC fielded eight candidates, all crorepatis, while the INC had 73 per cent and the MNF fielded 65 per cent. In Chhattisgarh, the average figure of all parties was 22 per cent with the INC at 68 per cent and the BJP at 66 per cent.
The combination of money and muscle power (the latter however covert), are increasingly dangerous signs that we need to recognise and combat. It is fortunate that our founding fathers, with consummate wisdom, created institutions that have been able to withstand some of the distortions that have crept in. Over the years, the Supreme Court, the High Courts, the Election Commission (and Parliament when it chooses to engage in serious debate), have through a number of important judgments, orders and legislation strengthened our democratic framework. The Election Commission has over the last few decades brought in much greater equality and transparency to combat electoral malpractices, and has effectively outlawed the strong-arm methods of yesteryear. The Supreme Court has recently, in another momentous decision (Lily Thomas vs Union of India, July 10, 2013), removed the protective shield that MPs and MLAs hitherto enjoyed, which was that even upon conviction for a whole host of offences, they could continue to enjoy the shelter of Parliament/legislature, simply if they filed an appeal within 90 days!
Curbing money powerElectoral money power has been a most difficult problem to resolve. When I was Election Commissioner and later Chief Election Commissioner, it was often very frustrating to see how candidates, despite the presence of the Election Commission’s Observers during election, used all manner of deception to distribute money and freebies in order to lure voters. There seemed to be no end to human ingenuity when it came to their methods. Large sums of cash were ferried in the most unlikely of private and public vehicles, and in the Karnataka elections of 2008, even milk vans and ambulances were not spared from the most blatant misuse. While over Rs.40 crore of cash and freebies were seized by vigilant officials, unknown amounts of clandestine sums would doubtless have reached their destinations. By-elections, in particular, were characterised by their sheer brazenness in this respect. The by-election of Thirumangalam (Tamil Nadu, December 2008-January 2009) marked a particularly low point for the Election Commission in this regard. Elections in Bellary in Karnataka too provided another case study of how far this malaise had reached. During elections there, a number of poll-related criminal cases were registered; yet, almost the first step that the newly elected State government sought to do was to withdraw these cases. In what otherwise might have been an amusing case study involving our bureaucracy, the Public Prosecutor was ordered by the State government to move the court to withdraw these cases, while the Election Commission passed orders that all election-related offences would instead be contested in court on their merits, and could not be withdrawn by executive orders. The High Court was later to uphold the ECI’s position. These and other such cases of money and muscle power were surely not those to make us feel proud as a people.
However, it would be one-sided on my part to paint everything as negative. Far from it. These aberrations apart, there are a whole host of positives. Unlike many other countries which obtained freedom from colonial rule at about the same time and have only enjoyed brief democratic interludes between long periods of military dictatorship or the most wrenching of insurgencies, India has been a stable democracy throughout. In India, we have always held elections on mandated time — every time. There has invariably been a willing acceptance of the people’s mandate. The loser has consistently passed on the baton to the winner without hesitation. The Election Commission is viewed as fair and impartial. Court orders in election-related petitions have been accepted without demur. All these are no mean achievements, even if we were to compare ourselves to very developed countries with a much higher per capita income than our own.
In this larger context it may help to explain why it is important for us, as a still evolving democracy, that this recently created political phenomenon has successfully been able to demonstrate that elections can be won without resorting to calls of caste, religion, subterfuge, muscle and money. That the AAP candidates were able to identify the problems that were troubling their neighbours was because they themselves were integral to both the problems and the neighbourhood, and, as a result, neither deep pockets nor muscle had any role to play .
(Navin B. Chawla is a former Chief Election Commissioner of India.)
Point noted. I do paste the article to ensure folks aren't lazy enough to not click and just move on.
vikasgulia
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Actually, even a little summary is not needed in this case. Had Swaich named the Author, Naveen Chawala, that would have been enough. Naveen Chawala is a known congress stooge with close friendship with Gandhi family. He was blamed by then Chief Election Commissioner for reporting secret discussions of election commission to congress handlers.
Speaking based on data from WEB, he is a convert, sympathetic to Sonia (Over 200 non congress MPs across party lines seeked his removal ) and has had his own share of corruption charges while working as a bureaucrat.
[h=1]President rejects CEC suggestion to axe Navin Chawla[/h]http://articles.timesofindia.indiat...tion-dates-navin-chawla-election-commissioner
Speaking based on data from WEB, he is a convert, sympathetic to Sonia (Over 200 non congress MPs across party lines seeked his removal ) and has had his own share of corruption charges while working as a bureaucrat.
[h=1]President rejects CEC suggestion to axe Navin Chawla[/h]http://articles.timesofindia.indiat...tion-dates-navin-chawla-election-commissioner
You can paste a little summary or some key points from article to make it interesting for them and they will be tempted to click. If they are still not interested I can assure you they wont read the article even if you put it in front of their eyes
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