Because that is what is the fact which presented by sane people whom you chose not to read because then you will not be able to blame the government.
Chinese Troops Recent Incursion in Ladakh
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Because that is what is the fact which presented by sane people whom you chose not to read because then you will not be able to blame the government.
That is right. Only God can save this country but not the bureaucrats. Supreme Court said in 2008: Even God can’t save this country: SC
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/even-god-can-t-save-this-country-sc/345081/
Hight court said: HC raps BMC for illegal bldgs, says only god can save the city
http://articles.timesofindia.indiat...i/28351641_1_constructions-bmc-illegal-floors
Ok, lets assume there does not exist a demarcation. Then why there is so much disturbance? Why are people saying the Chinese troops entered 19 kms within Indian territory?
Jab ek boundary exist hi nahi karti to chaahe us side baitthe raho ya is side kya fark padta hai? Agar Chinese ne incursion nahi kiya hota to vo vapis hi kyun gaye hote?
Apply some common sense and think "agar boundary nahi to koye khaayi hogi, nadi naala hoga, eent patthar roddey kuchh to dhara hoga jis se pata chale dono side ke sainiko ko ki hame is "virtual boundary" ke us side nahi jaana."
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Seriously Pannu, I need to teach you the basic level of ABCD?
What is a debated land? It is a land which we call it ours and they call it theirs. The land they were on, according to us is ours but according to them it is theirs, that is the whole crux of the matter.
And your idea of border is quite fancy, nadi nalla roddey kankad, which fantasy world do you live in? I hope you do some more research on borders before commenting.
Ar jo ib bhi samajh na aaya to chorh die panda is topic ka, jaruri nahi har baat simajh main aa ja insaan ke, specially itni asaan.
rajpaldular
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चीन ने लद्दाख से पीछे हटने की बड़ी कीमत वसूली है ..जिसे मीडिया और सरकार जाहिर नही कर रहे है
मित्रों, सलमान खुर्शीद ने चीन से तीन समझौते किये ..तब जाकर चीन पीछे हटा ..और इसे भारत की बड़ी हार कहा जा सकता है
१- भारत भी इस एरिया में अपनी सेना पीछे हटा लेगा और इस एरिया में सड़क, बंकर, हेलीपैड या दूसरे कोई भी निर्माण कार्य नही करेगा | जबकि चीन इस एरिया में सडको और बंकरो का जाल बिछा चूका है और आठ हेलीपैड और एक हवाई पट्टी भी बना चूका है |
२- भारत किसी भी अंतरराष्ट्रीय मंच और यूएन में तिब्बत की आज़ादी के हक में नही बोलेगा और भारत को तिब्बत चीन का अभिन्न अंग है ये मानना पडेगा ..तथा भारत अपनी भूमि पर तिब्बती लिबरेशन में लगे लोगो को नही रहने देगा |
३- अंडमान निकोबार के आगे नए उभरे द्वीप जिन्हें न्यू मूर द्वीप कहा जाता है उन द्वीपों को भारत बंगला देश के हवाले करेगा जिससे उन द्वीपों पर चीन अपना नौसैनिक अड्डा बना सके |
सोचिये मित्रों, सरकार के प्रवक्ता और मीडिया कल से ऐसे कह रहे है जैसे चीन को भारत ने पीछे हटने पर मजबूर कर दिया है ..जबकि सच्चाई ये है की भारत पीछे हटा है और भारत ने इस डील की भारी कीमत चुकाई है.
मित्रों, सलमान खुर्शीद ने चीन से तीन समझौते किये ..तब जाकर चीन पीछे हटा ..और इसे भारत की बड़ी हार कहा जा सकता है
१- भारत भी इस एरिया में अपनी सेना पीछे हटा लेगा और इस एरिया में सड़क, बंकर, हेलीपैड या दूसरे कोई भी निर्माण कार्य नही करेगा | जबकि चीन इस एरिया में सडको और बंकरो का जाल बिछा चूका है और आठ हेलीपैड और एक हवाई पट्टी भी बना चूका है |
२- भारत किसी भी अंतरराष्ट्रीय मंच और यूएन में तिब्बत की आज़ादी के हक में नही बोलेगा और भारत को तिब्बत चीन का अभिन्न अंग है ये मानना पडेगा ..तथा भारत अपनी भूमि पर तिब्बती लिबरेशन में लगे लोगो को नही रहने देगा |
३- अंडमान निकोबार के आगे नए उभरे द्वीप जिन्हें न्यू मूर द्वीप कहा जाता है उन द्वीपों को भारत बंगला देश के हवाले करेगा जिससे उन द्वीपों पर चीन अपना नौसैनिक अड्डा बना सके |
सोचिये मित्रों, सरकार के प्रवक्ता और मीडिया कल से ऐसे कह रहे है जैसे चीन को भारत ने पीछे हटने पर मजबूर कर दिया है ..जबकि सच्चाई ये है की भारत पीछे हटा है और भारत ने इस डील की भारी कीमत चुकाई है.
http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatime...with-china-how-does-india-withdraw-from-india
We have always been told that the Chinese have intruded 19km into our territory and it involved a total of around 750 sq km of our land in Ladakh. If that be the case, dear government, why are WE pulling back? They intruded into our territory and have to go back, where does the question of us pulling back arise? How does India withdraw from India? Could you please answer that?
At times such as these, the forces need to be strengthened and given the support that yes, they matter and mean the world to us. But doubt if that can be done by a government that is crippled with a cupboard of scandals that refuses to empty out. With their own survival at stake, it is natural that worrying about our land or our forces' morale is low on their list if priority.
But despite that, one would still want to know how India withdrew from its own territory?
Real account of what happened: http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/i...nd-the-scenes-363347?pfrom=home-lateststories
With the 20-day stand-off with China near the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in Ladakh finally over after intense negotiations via diplomatic channels, government sources today said that China was asked to be ready to face the consequences and no deal was struck with it.
Sources say India put intense pressure on China and said "we are willing to let the relationship (between the two countries) sink." The trade between the two countries amounts to at least $90-100 billion a year.
With the 20-day stand-off with China near the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in Ladakh finally over after intense negotiations via diplomatic channels, government sources today said that China was asked to be ready to face the consequences and no deal was struck with it.
Sources say India put intense pressure on China and said "we are willing to let the relationship (between the two countries) sink." The trade between the two countries amounts to at least $90-100 billion a year.
It's official that forces from both the countries would retreat from their current positions. Indian forces are in Indian territory, then why retreat???
Is it actually diplomacy or some back-room dealing wheeling that has taken place to take away the immense public and media pressure on the govt.
Only time will tell what has the Congress govt. mortgaged to buy peace. This was not the first nor the last time that the Chinese have flexed muscles against a meek, pliant and soft govt.
Congress reminds of the people who do not learn from their past mistakes.
Is it actually diplomacy or some back-room dealing wheeling that has taken place to take away the immense public and media pressure on the govt.
Only time will tell what has the Congress govt. mortgaged to buy peace. This was not the first nor the last time that the Chinese have flexed muscles against a meek, pliant and soft govt.
Congress reminds of the people who do not learn from their past mistakes.
From the same news report which you somehow called as "real account":
However, NDTV has learnt from sources that the stand-off was resolved partly due to the halting of construction of bunkers by Indian Army in the Chumar sector of southern Ladakh, which borders Himachal Pradesh.
The assurance that has been reportedly given to China is that the constructions of the bunkers will be stopped for the time being.
rinkusheoran
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Chinese army retreat from Indian territory and Indian army retreat from Indian territory and people are saying cheers to diplomacy.Feel pity for them. It has been very common for govt and govt supporter to call either operation prakaram or minister escorting terrorist to kandhar( definitely they were bad) to show there good deeds but no one remembers what happened in shimla pact. We had the biggest surrender in the world in the history and even after 45 years of that we are facing border issue on J&K side. Now also no one knows what pact/deal has been done for this. 30-40 saal baad pata lagega ki ye jameen gai n aisa kuch hua tha n abhi kisiko nhi batayengye n bol dengey ki it is matter of national security.
Jab tak leaders nulle hongey kuch nhi kar sakti sarkar otherwise Army Gen Singh gave a suggestion to PM that we can do the same on chinese side but as usual great diplomacy and giving a message to the world that we are an impotent nation at this time.
Jab tak leaders nulle hongey kuch nhi kar sakti sarkar otherwise Army Gen Singh gave a suggestion to PM that we can do the same on chinese side but as usual great diplomacy and giving a message to the world that we are an impotent nation at this time.
malikdeepak1
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malikdeepak1
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There are several places where a river is considered to be a border between two nations.
India Nepal border is same as Indo China in Laddakh or Indo Pak in Kargil?
Most of the places have demarcations in bordor and that is the whole point of Ladakh debate- there is nothing but utter confusion between 2 countries. Think logically, you dont feel India would have created a bunker if we were assured of our land?
malikdeepak1
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Ha ha ha ha ha.. manne bera tha tu palti marega desi.
Pannu bhai ne simple si baat kahi ak border ki koi to demarcation hogi, kuch to hoga, koi road, koi patthar kuch to consider karte honge agar fencing nahi hai to border pe. Par tu lecture den laag gya bhai ak you dont know this and that about border. Bhai tanne na gyaan to kyu dikhaan ki koshish karya kare ak manne ya bhi bera hai ar wo bhi bera hai. Na bera to rahen de, ak har fatte me taang adaani jaruri??
India-China border par Chusul naam ki jagah hai. Yaad nahi, par kitte padha tha ki Chusul (leh-laddakh) ke liye tourists ko permit issue nahi kiye jate kyuki whaa demarcation ke naam par fencing nahi hai and hence it is treated as NML after a certain point. Even if you are able to squeeze through somehow to Chusul, you will be stopped at each and every point by the forces to check the permits (if you get them by jack) and they will warn you to remain on left side of a small river and not to cross that.
Even if the boundary is not marked clearly, does this give a right to Chinese to enter NML and that too by 19kms (acc to Indian govt they set up the tents to this distance from what is "considered" as border). If it would have been 1-2 kms then confusion is somewhat understandable, but 19kms? It is similar like I go by walk from ISBT to Punjabi Bagh without knowing that I might have actually come too far ahead. Any logical bell rang in your mind?
And how many reports will you need to look at to believe there isnt any mark, paththar that is the line and even if there is somewhere it is controversial and that is the whole issue? And again, 19 KM of border considered by India but ridiculed by China.. stop beating around the same bush because this is not too tough to understand.
malikdeepak1
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In report ar number me ae uljha rahiye sari umar desi. Kade-kade saamanya gyaan bhi istemaal karna chaiye manas ne. Tere tayi India-China border ka live example bta diya border ke hai us area me, us paache bhi report ke dhol pitte se. Jab ek common consensus tha pahle ki is area me naa hum aayenge aur na tum aaoge, to report poonjhad padegi border ka? Disputed area hai jibe te NML bna yo area. Pakistaan ke sath bhi disputed area hai aur NML me agar koi dikh bhi jaye to fauji usi time goli maar dete hai usko. Ye cheeni bad ge te diplomacy ken bhaaj liye. Pajama aage se geela aur piche se peela ho gya tere in Kangressi pitthooa ka. Nahi to ek resolution laane me 2 din bhi nahi lagne the ki China ke market ka samaan hamaare desh me nahi bikega. Aur ye ek diplomatic step hi hota. Koi bandook nahi chalaani thi isme. Hath jod ke apne aap piche jaate ye cheeni 4 din me. par kuch karan ki neeyat ho to kare. Aadambar sabte faltu ar, ak mai Beijing nahi jaunga, i will cancel my trip (Handicap Kota chor). kar le cancel, tere bhrose baitha hai Cheen?
China apne ek maksad me kamyaab ho gya ki ye India me infrastructure develop na kar paave border area me taaki jab bhi kade ladayi hove to inke pas na to rasad time se aaye aur na khaana. Teri is kaangres ke sir pe beet kar ge cheeni ar gel rumaal bhi khos loge. Btata rah tu diplomacy ki jeet, par asliyat me diplomacy fail hogi. Ye kaand hona hi nahi chaiye tha. Kargil ne oo to gaali bakke ja sari haan, par seekhya kuch nahi uste. Na tanne ar na Kangress ne. upar te tanne ye chor brilliant diplomat bna diye. Wah re botru! Bhai tu khoob hasaave hai manne. Nu e laagya rahya kar bhai. Ek-aadh saangi ho mahfil me te rang suthri dhaal jamya kare!
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Who should be trusted more, a validated report compiled by an expert or a samanya gyaan by Mr. no one? you decide.
Although i am sure if same would have been done by BJP yours and the bunch of other people's tone would have been different. E.G.: Modi ke dar se cheeni bhage, Bhajpa ki kootneetik safalta.