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François Gautier is a French journalist, who also writes for The New York Times. I came across an interesting article which is reproduced below.

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What made Hindus angry in Karnataka

François Gautier

First Published : 06 Oct 2008 02:12:00 AM IST
Last Updated : 06 Oct 2008 07:40:54 AM IST


I WAS born in a Catholic family. My uncle was a priest, a wonderful man of warmth and compassion and I spent most my early years in Catholic boarding schools. When I was young I wanted to become a missionary and to ‘convert’ pagans in Asia. What I was taught by priests was that Hindus worship false gods and they needed to be brought back to the True Word by Jesus Christ.


Then of course, I came to India and discovered that actually Hindus, far from being the heathens, as had been portrayed in Europe, not only believed God’s diversity, the wonderful concept of avatar, but had given refuge to all persecuted minorities of the world, whether the Syrian Christians, the Parsis, the Jews (India is the only country in the world where Jews were not persecuted), the Armenians, or today the Tibetans.


I am also aghast at the one-sided coverage by the Indian media of the Christian- Hindu problem: blasts after blasts have killed hundreds of innocent Hindus in Varanasi, Delhi, Mumbai train blasts, Jaipur, etc. Yet, neither Manmohan Singh nor Sonia Gandhi have pronounced once the word ‘Islamic terrorism.’ But when furious Hindus, tired of being made fun of, of witnessing their brothers and sisters converted by financials traps, of seeing a 84-year-old swami and his Mataji brutally murdered, of reading blasphemy about their Gods, vent their anger against churches, many of them makeshifts, the Indian government goes after the soft target which the Hindus are. The same thing applies to the United States: they never warned Muslim organisations in India about the killing of Hindus, but when dollars are used to buy new converts and it angers the majority community of India,Washington has the arrogance to issue a warning, and Manmohan Singh does not have the pride to tell the US to mind its own business.


Neither the Indian press nor the western correspondents bothered to write about what made Hindus angry in Karnataka: Newlife, one important westernfunded missionary centre ( http://www.newlifevoice.org), began making conversions in and around Mangalore by accosting poor people in market areas, or in bus stands, befriending them and then taking them to churches to introduce them to the father.


Upon introduction they were paid Rs 2,500 per person and then taken to the Velankanni shrine, in Tamil Nadu, where they would get another Rs. 3,000.

When they finally converted to Christianity by changing the name, they got an incentive of Rs 10,000 onwards.


Newlife would then give them instructions to abandon wearing tilak on forehead, not to visit and offer prayers at the Hindu temples, replacing the photos and idols of Hindu gods and goddesses with a Cross, etc.


But what really angered local Hindus was when Newlife went one step further and published a book in Kannada — Satya Darshini — which was widely distributed by its missionaries. Here below is the translation of some of the most abusive passages:


“Urvashi — the daughter of Lord Vishnu — is a prostitute.


Vashistha is the son of this prostitute.


He in turn married his own Mother. Such a degraded person is the Guru of the Hindu God Rama. (page 48).


When Krishna himself is wallowing in darkness of hell, how can he enlighten others? Since Krishna himself is a shady character, there is a need for us to liberate his misled followers (page 50). It was Brahma himself who kidnapped Sita.


“Since Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva were themselves victims of lust, it is a sin to consider them as Gods. (page 39).


When the Trinity of Hinduism (Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva) are consumed by lust and anger, how can they liberate others? The projection of them as Gods is nothing but a joke. (page 39). God, please liberate the sinful people of India who are worshipping False Gods. (Page 39).” When blasphemy and much worse is brought against the most sacred Hindu Gods, Hindus are supposed to take it meekly as sheep and let themselves be converted to a foreign religion! There are more than 4,000 foreign Christian missionaries involved in conversion activities across different states.


In Tripura, there were no Christians at the time of independence. There are 1,20,000 today, a 90 per cent increase since 1991. The figures are even more striking in Arunachal Pradesh, where there were only 1,710 Christians in 1961, but 1.2 million today, as well as 780 churches! In Andhra Pradesh, churches are coming up every day in far-flung villages and there was even an attempt to set up one near Tirupati.


Christians throughout the ages have strived on the concept of persecution and as a brought up Catholic, I remember feeling bad about all those martyred saints of Christianity. Christians in India like to say that they are only two per cent and can do no harm. But it is a sham: in the Tamil Nadu coastal belt from Chennai to Kanyakumari, there must be now 10 per cent Christians posttsunami and the same may be true in other parts of south India.


My heart goes out to Karnataka Chief Minister BS Yeddyurappa who took a courageous stand against unethical Christian conversions, but is now under pressure from the Centre.


The BJP, having learnt from bitter experience that the Congress has no qualm in invoking President’s rule under fallacious pretexts in states which are ruled by non-Congress governments is in a quandary: it must show some action against militant Hindu groups while remaining true to itself.


This is why Yeddyurappa took some action against Hindu groups while saying that his government will not tolerate forcible conversions and will take stringent action against missionaries involved in conversions.


And ultimately, the blame must fall on Hindus: they are 800 million in India, the overwhelming majority; they have the brains, they have the money and they have the power. But either their intellectual and political class sides with the minorities, out of fear, inferiority complex imbedded by the British or just sheer crass political opportunism, or the bigger mass is indifferent inert, selfish, un-civic conscious. Every Hindu is the inheritor of the only surviving spiritual knowledge which at the moment is under a concerted attack by Christian missionaries, Americanisation, Marxism and Islamic fundamentalism.

fgautier@rediffmail.com




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Violence is never the answer. I do not endorse commercialized-conversions of poor Hindus. But, that does not give anyone the right to gangrape a nun.

Whatever is happening needs to stop. Christian missionaries can keep their door open for those who would like to learn more about Christ and his ultimate sacrifice. And nutcase karsevaks need to stop going ape over everyday Christians who do nothing more than minding their own business.
 
News from Indian media

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मजहब का व्यवसाय


उड़ीसा और कर्नाटक में मतांतरण के विरोध के नाम पर हो रही हिंसा दुर्भाग्यपूर्ण एवं निंदनीय है। कुछ संगठनों की इस सोच पर तरस ही खाया जा सकता है कि हिंसक कार्रवाइयों के बल पर वे मतांतरण को रोक देंगे। इस तरह के कायरें से पूरे विश्व में देश एवं हिंदू समाज की छवि खराब होती है। हिंसक घटनाओं के कारण वैटिकन एवं अंतरराष्ट्रीय मानवाधिकार संगठनों को हस्तक्षेप करने का अवसर मिलता है। इसमें कोई दो राय नहीं कि आज चर्च के अधिकतर संगठन मतांतरण की गतिविधियों में लिप्त हैं। कर्नाटक में कुछ हिंदू संगठनों ने 'न्यू लाइफ फालोशिप' नामक संगठन के कामकाज पर ऐतराज जताया है। उनका कहना है कि संगठन बड़े पैमाने पर वंचित हिंदुओं के मतांतरण के कार्य में लगा हुआ है। इस संगठन का गठन चार दशक पूर्व मुंबई में हुआ था। 1983 में पास्टर शामुएल एवं उनकी पत्नी के संचालन में इसका कार्य-क्षेत्र बेंगलूर बनाया गया और कई चर्चो की स्थापना की गई। आज कर्नाटक में न्यू लाइफ के 45 चर्च हैं। यह संगठन कुछ कालेज भी चलाता है। बेंगलूर स्थित सैकड़ों चर्च संगठन देश के विभिन्न हिस्सों में धर्म प्रचार का कार्य कर रहे हैं। दूसरे शब्दों में बेंगलूर को दूसरा वैटिकन भी कहा जा सकता है। चर्च संगठनों द्वारा देश भर में चलाए जाने वाले शैक्षिक संस्थान या सामाजिक संगठन मतांतरण की जमीन तैयार करने का काम करते हैं।

चर्च अधिकारियों के प्रति होने वाली हिंसा के कारण भी मंतातरण की गतिविधियों को बल मिलता है। ऐसी घटनाओं के कारण अंतरराष्ट्रीय स्तर पर चर्च के प्रति हमदर्दी का वातावरण पैदा होता है और उसका लाभ उठाकर भारतीय चर्च अधिकारी विशाल धनराशि इकट्ठा करते हैं। उड़ीसा एवं कर्नाटक की घटनाओं को लेकर अंतरराष्ट्रीय मंच पर चर्च अधिकारियों को अपना खेल खेलने का अच्छा अवसर प्राप्त हुआ है। दूसरी तरफ मतांतरण का विरोध करने वाले संगठन एवं लोग बचाव की मुद्रा में आ गए हैं। जिसको कठघरे में खड़ा होकर अपने अपराधों का हिसाब देना चाहिए वही खुद को पीड़ित बताकर इंसाफ मांग रहा है। मतांतरण का विरोध करने वालों को आत्ममंथन करने की जरूरत है। वंचित एवं आदिवासी समुदाय चर्च अधिकारियों के निशाने पर हैं। चर्च को दलित वर्गो से भी ज्यादा सफलता आदिवासी समुदाय को मतांतरित करने में मिल रही है। इसका अंदाजा इससे लगाया जा सकता है कि कैथोलिक अनुयायियों की कुल जनसंख्या का 10 प्रतिशत छोटा नागपुर में है। कंधमाल में भी ऐसी ही स्थिति है। चर्च साम्राज्यवादी सोच के तहत अपना संख्या बल बढ़ाने के लिए छल-कपट का सहारा लेने से पीछे नहीं हैं। आज वे अपनी जनसंख्या 2.5 प्रतिशत बताकर मतांतरण की गतिविधियों पर पर्दा डाल देते हैं, परंतु तथ्य कुछ और है। आज करोड़ों दलित भले ही सरकारी जनगणना में हिंदू की श्रेणी में शामिल हों, लेकिन चर्च अधिकारी उनका मतांतरण करके अपने रिकार्ड में उन्हें अपना अनुयायी बना चुके हैं। उड़ीसा में पण समुदाय इसका उदाहरण है। एक अनुमान के मुताबिक दो नावों की सवारी करने वाले लोगों की संख्या तीन करोड़ से कम नहीं होगी। ऐसे ही लोगों को अनुसूचित जाति का दर्जा दिलवाने एवं संविधान संशोधन करवाने के लिए चर्च अधिकारी सुप्रीम कोर्ट से लेकर अंतरराष्ट्रीय संगठनों तक का दबाव भारत सरकार पर डलवा रहे हैं।

ईसाइयत का प्रचार-प्रसार एक बड़ा व्यवसाय बन गया है। यह व्यवसाय आत्माओं को बचाने या उनकी फसल उगाने पर निर्भर है। केरल का एक चर्च पिछले डेढ़ दशक में 1044 करोड़ रुपये की विदेशी सहायता ले चुका है। एक अन्य चर्च ने वर्ष 2004 में विदेशों से 5850 करोड़ रुपये हासिल किए और इससे 10 लाख लोगों का मतांतरण किया। इस चर्च के साउथ एशिया डिवीजन के अध्यक्ष 1997 में भारत में दाखिल हुए। उस समय तक चर्च के 2 लाख 25 हजार सदस्य थे, जो 103 सालों के प्रयास से ईसाई बने थे, लेकिन पिछले 11 सालों में उनकी संख्या 7 लाख से अधिक हो गई है। जिन लोगों ने शोषण-मुक्ति की चाह में ईसाइयत को अपनाया वे आज चर्च के अंदर ही गैर-बराबरी का दंश झेल रहे हैं। मतांतरण के पीछे अगर कोई राजनीतिक मकसद छिपा है या वह व्यापार में बदल चुका है तो उसका विरोध होना चाहिए। भारत में 15 से 30 वर्ष के 6 लाख नौजवान चर्च के प्रचार, धर्मोपदेश में भीड़ जुटाने और चमत्कारी शो करने में लगे हैं। अमेरिका की एक संस्था धर्म प्रचार और मतांतरण की नई तकनीक से लैस होकर उतरी है। इसके लिए बाकायदा एक निर्माण कंपनी बनाई गई है। ऐसे अनैतिक व्यवसाय के विरोध में प्रत्येक भारतवासी, विशेषकर ईसाई समुदाय को खड़ा होना चाहिए। मतांतरण का यह खेल खुद ईसाई समुदाय के हित में नहीं है।

[चर्च की गतिविधियों पर आरएल फ्रांसिस का नजरिया]

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Violence is never the answer. I do not endorse commercialized-conversions of poor Hindus. But, that does not give anyone the right to gangrape a nun.

Whatever is happening needs to stop. Christian missionaries can keep their door open for those who would like to learn more about Christ and his ultimate sacrifice. And nutcase karsevaks need to stop going ape over everyday Christians who do nothing more than minding their own business.


i so agree wit this view point......

violence can never b justified....forced conversions or no conversions......
 
Anti Christian Riots

Though, I second your opinions about the greatness of Hindu religion, its saints and its ideals; I strongly denounce Hindu conversions. But what is non acceptable is the fact that some Hindu fanatics are resorting to heinous crimes to avenge the wrong done to them. Definitely, the merciless murder of a holy man would arouse anger among the masses especially among his followers and they have all the right to bring justice to the wronged.

But, no way, gangrape of a nun, or ironically that of a hapless Hindu girl, who (unluckily) used to live in a Christian orphanage can be justified. This is simply against the morals and teachings of our religion. Our Hindu dharm especially lays emphasis on respecting the women and they are given the status of “Devi” in our scriptures.

The blind followers of Bajrang Dal ideology, please do some self introspection and put your daughter, mother, sister or wife in the place of those victims and then judge your actions. Have some sense, murdering innocent people is not the solution, try to bring the perpetrators of crime under fold of law.

Because of such mindless acts of people like you, our religion gets a bad name in the national and international circles. Today, because of “Bajrang Dal”, “Shiv Sena” like organizations, Hindutva has come to be associated with intolerance and fanaticism. If you cannot do something that will glorify our religion, then Please abstain from vitiating it at least.

Jai Hindu Dharm, Jai Bharat!!
(I just pray to God –no innocent pays the price of wrongdoings of their counterparts)
 
Just came across this video on youtube .... sharing with you ... it seems to be genuine ... this shows the real picture of missionaries ....

Initially it shows the message that this video has been removed but carry on and you will see the video. Please ignore the rest links on the page ... if mods found it vulgar it can be removed but I found it worth sharing ...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=71O8LzOWaWo
 
Few years back i came across an interesting incident which i still remember and would like to share here.

The construction work for my building was going on ( it was December ), one day the Head of the Labourers informed me that they are not going to work next day because of Christmas. Not working for a day was not a big deal but i just asked jokingly what Christmas is supposed to do with you as you and your family belongs to Hindu (Punjabi) family. He became serious and said that all the worker including himself are christian. I was surprised and asked that when you became Christian. I was stunned by his reply and posting here in his own words :

"Actually we were Christians since ages and infact all the Indians were Christians but later Hindus forced us to become Hindu. Hindus manipulated and harrassed us for centuries untill Jesus Christ sent Father to enlighten us and save from them. And now we are back to our original roots and encouraging our brotherns to join our religion back. One day all the Indians would be Christians."

In disbelief i only managed to ask him, "then where from these Hindus came if all the Indian were Christians ?"

He got confused, pretended to be thinking for few moments and replied, "I forgot about that, will ask Father again and will let you know later".

Obviously, I never felt any need to ask him again about it and neither did he came up with any answer.
 
A risk to national security

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Catholic Church in Vatican is worried about its vanishing influence in Europe where today’s educated public has virtually stopped visiting Churches and hesitates donating their hard earned money to them. Many old Churches have turned into ruins because of lack of funds for repair. On the other hand, some magnificent Hindu temples have recently been built in places like London. Missionaries treat the spread of Yoga and Ayurveda in Western societies as fall of Christianity! Hence, over a decade, Rome has considerably enhanced its activities in Asia, especially in poverty trodden countries like India, Nepal and Bangladesh.

Gandhian philosopher J.C. Kumarappa (who himself was a Christian) once wrote: “Western countries have four big hands – the army, the navy, air force and the Church. They achieve their ends through these means”.

Be it Afghanistan or Iraq, wherever US forces went, Christian missionaries followed. They are active in Pakistan too. Recently, Nepalese government also put some restrictions on Christian missionaries. But in India, what to talk of Orissa and Madhya Pradesh, they have successfully converted some youth into Christianity in states like Punjab ! Since Narendra Modi successfully nailed such activities in Gujarat, US denied him an him an entry. To cover up the real cause, the reason cited was Modi’s role in “violation of human rights of Muslims in Gujarat”). When and how US became an advocate of Muslims ?

When America established formal diplomatic relations with communist China for the first time in 1979, the then President Carter put three major demands to Chinese President Deng Siao Ping – re-opening of Churches in China, to allow publication of Bible and allow entry of Christian missionaries into China. Ping accepted the first two demands but the third demand has not been accepted till date. China considers Christian missionaries as cultural invaders.

Christian missionaries have lot of foreign funds. Hence, they have successfully influenced Indian media which is silent on missionaries’ hegemony in tribal areas of Orissa. They are badly agitated over the activities of some Hindu organizations which successfully re-converted some tribal Christians into Hinduism ! The aim of these missionaries is just to increase the number of Jesus Christ’s sheeps. They have nothing to do with social welfare of tribal people. Once they are converted, missionaries vanish from the scene and start their projects somewhere else. According to India’s intelligence agencies, their activities are a risk to national security. See the example of north-eastern states, the population of which has been converted into Christianity in recent decades and today, they are demanding separation from India !

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Catholic Church in Vatican is worried about its vanishing influence in Europe where today’s educated public has virtually stopped visiting Churches and hesitates donating their hard earned money to them. Many old Churches have turned into ruins because of lack of funds for repair. On the other hand, some magnificent Hindu temples have recently been built in places like London. Missionaries treat the spread of Yoga and Ayurveda in Western societies as fall of Christianity! Hence, over a decade, Rome has considerably enhanced its activities in Asia, especially in poverty trodden countries like India, Nepal and Bangladesh.

Gandhian philosopher J.C. Kumarappa (who himself was a Christian) once wrote: “Western countries have four big hands – the army, the navy, air force and the Church. They achieve their ends through these means”.

Be it Afghanistan or Iraq, wherever US forces went, Christian missionaries followed. They are active in Pakistan too. Recently, Nepalese government also put some restrictions on Christian missionaries. But in India, what to talk of Orissa and Madhya Pradesh, they have successfully converted some youth into Christianity in states like Punjab ! Since Narendra Modi successfully nailed such activities in Gujarat, US denied him an him an entry. To cover up the real cause, the reason cited was Modi’s role in “violation of human rights of Muslims in Gujarat”). When and how US became an advocate of Muslims ?

When America established formal diplomatic relations with communist China for the first time in 1979, the then President Carter put three major demands to Chinese President Deng Siao Ping – re-opening of Churches in China, to allow publication of Bible and allow entry of Christian missionaries into China. Ping accepted the first two demands but the third demand has not been accepted till date. China considers Christian missionaries as cultural invaders.

Christian missionaries have lot of foreign funds. Hence, they have successfully influenced Indian media which is silent on missionaries’ hegemony in tribal areas of Orissa. They are badly agitated over the activities of some Hindu organizations which successfully re-converted some tribal Christians into Hinduism ! The aim of these missionaries is just to increase the number of Jesus Christ’s sheeps. They have nothing to do with social welfare of tribal people. Once they are converted, missionaries vanish from the scene and start their projects somewhere else. According to India’s intelligence agencies, their activities are a risk to national security. See the example of north-eastern states, the population of which has been converted into Christianity in recent decades and today, they are demanding separation from India !

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Deswal sir, Europe men churches khali pade rehte hain...Sirf old aged junta udhar jaati hai...Per Church ki powers bahut hai...Abhi humaare desh men yah dharm parivartan karte haiin...aur jawab men thoda si bhi hinsa hoti hai to usper Human Rights ka hulla machate haiin.

Purane samay men jabh yeh Christian Missionaries Crusades kiya karte thieh, voh saahi thaa...per hum jo apne bachaav key liye jo hinsa karte hai, Ussey Violence kehte haiin.

Aur humare PM ko US sey jhaad padti hai... Iran jaisa desh apna aik stand ley sakta hai. Per humare Napunsak neta har baat per jhuuk jaate haiin... Haan agaar apne logon per mouka laage to peeche naheen hattenge...Nihathe Adhyapakon per lathi barsaane men peeche naheen hattenge.

Abh veh hinsa galat thi yah saahi yeh apni apni soch per nirbhar karta hai...Per kamse kam abh jo dusre Missionaries honge, unmen Darr to sthapit ho gaya.
 
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Its very sad that ignorant tribal people are converted to a different faith using inducements of various kinds whereas they dont even understand that all religions are basically same and lead to the same goals though through different means. And i agree that christian missionaries have been indulging in such acts for a very long time. Due to these 'forced conversions' numbers of hindus are declining constantly and glaringly in some parts of the country. Our concerns are justified.

But can violence be an answer to violence and is it justified? Can we justify the homicides, the rapes and conflagrations on these grounds. What kind of religion is this that is making us resorting to such beastly acts? Religion never teaches or justifies such heinous acts. The moment we indulge in such acts ,even though in the name of religion, we betray that very religion and we are no more its followers rather we turn into beasts of vengeance. Violence is never the answer to violence and it does not achieve any purpose. There are other means through which we can minimise and even stop the influence of these missionaries. I urge the worthy members of this forum to come up with solutions.
 
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http://in.jagran.yahoo.com/news/opinion/general/6_3_4890165.html


मजहब का व्यवसाय

.... तरह के कायरें से पूरे विश्व में देश एवं हिंदू समाज की छवि खराब होती है। हिंसक घटनाओं के कारण वैटिकन एवं अंतरराष्ट्रीय मानवाधिकार संगठनों को हस्तक्षेप करने का अवसर मिलता है।

A typical defeatst mentality, something the christians and leftists have been able to impose on Indians. Why should we be worried about Vetican's interference... its not even 10 km x 10 km. Should we not be asking Mr Poope as to why New Life Church brands Vishnu and all Indian Gods as lustful, and most Goddesses as whores ? And then htey have the cheek to distribute such literature openly in Karnataka ?

Interestingly, some peopel feel "Voilenve is not the answer, conversion or no converion". Issue is not converion, but te armyof fifth columnists that conversion creates.

Why did Sri Krishn say, 'Shathe shathyam sam aacharet' (Jaise ko taisa) ? Laton ke bhoot baton se nahin mante.

इसमें कोई दो राय नहीं कि आज चर्च के अधिकतर संगठन मतांतरण की गतिविधियों में लिप्त हैं।

Why this war on Hinduism?
By George Thundiparambil




ऐसे अनैतिक व्यवसाय के विरोध में प्रत्येक भारतवासी, विशेषकर ईसाई समुदाय को खड़ा होना चाहिए। मतांतरण का यह खेल खुद ईसाई समुदाय के हित में नहीं है।

If the Christian society could stand up, will the evangelists dare to come on tourist visas and stay back to indulge in conversions, espionage, gun running etc ?

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The laments of a victim in another part of the world -

How Europeans underdeveloped Africa​

Posted October 3, 2006

Ugwu
Oct 3, 2006
The Tide Online
Source Link http://christianaggression.com/item_display.php?type=ARTICLES&id=1159908663
Wearing the mask of evangelism and the Bible as an instrument to deception, they ravaged our mother land beyond repair.
 

Posted November 14, 2008

J.S. Ifthekhar
November 11, 2008
The Hindu
Source Link
(CrusadeWatch Editor's Note: For a radical Christian Head of the State, paying for a Christian's visit to Jerusalem is more important than feeding hungry people. The money used to send each Christian is enough to feed a poor family for an year).

J.S. Ifthekhar
First batch of Christians will leave for Jerusalem on November 25
Pilgrims will fly from Hyderabad to Jordan and Israel on a seven-day package

Subsidy of Rs. 20,000 to be given to every pilgrim on a par with Haj pilgrims

HYDERABAD: Once the last batch of Hajis departs on November 16, Haj House will play host to another set of pilgrims.

This time it will be the Christian pilgrims. They will arrive here from different parts of the State to embark on the pilgrimage to the holy land of Jerusalem.

The first batch of 45 Christians will leave for Jerusalem on November 25 as part of the State governmentâ??s novel scheme to help Christians visit the places connected with the life of Jesus Christ. They will fly from Hyderabad to Jordan and Israel on a seven day package tour being organised by the A.P. State Minorities Finance Corporation (APSMFC).

The government already issued a G.O. MS 29 in July to facilitate the Christians undertake the pilgrimage.

A subsidy of Rs. 20,000 will be provided to every pilgrim on par with the Haj pilgrims. Government has set apart a budget of Rs. 2 crore for the financial year 2008-09.
160 applicants

A total of 160 Christians applied under the scheme of which 45 were selected by a screening committee, according to Mohd Ilayas Rizvi, vice chairman and managing director, APSMFC.
Pilgrimage cost

He said that the pilgrimage would cost Rs. 56,000 which is inclusive of food, accommodation and transport. Pilgrims however have to bear the balance amount of Rs. 36,000.

The first batch of pilgrims includes 14 couples. â??It is an ongoing scheme and pilgrims will be sent in batches of 50 till the budget for this year is exhausted,â?? Dr. Rizvi said. The pilgrimage will cover Bethlehem, the birth place of Jesus Christ, places of crucifixion, death and resurrection.

Pilgrims will also be taken to Nazareth where Christ was brought up, Jordan river, the place of baptism and places of preaching around Dead Sea and sea of Galilee.
Selection

How are the pilgrims selected? Well they have to be bona fide Christians certified through academic records, MRO or Baptism certificate. Selection is done on first come first served basis with preference to white card holders, couples and aged persons. Applicants should possess valid passports with minimum two year validity at the time of applying. Aspirants can register online www.apsmfc.com.
 
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Are Indian Churches pious and pure? We make so much hullabaloo over Hindu extremists. Bollywood films sometimes portray scenes where a temple’s Pandit tries to molest poor girls. This is a sheer exaggeration. But such incidents are not uncommon inside churches where male priests exploit nuns and female employees. Such churches remain under veil of secrecy. Read an interesting report on this URL:

http://in.jagran.yahoo.com/news/opinion/general/6_3_5281531.html



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Are Indian Churches pious and pure? We make so much hullabaloo over Hindu extremists. Bollywood films sometimes portray scenes where a temple’s Pandit tries to molest poor girls. This is a sheer exaggeration. But such incidents are not uncommon inside churches where male priests exploit nuns and female employees. Such churches remain under veil of secrecy. Read an interesting report on this URL:

http://in.jagran.yahoo.com/news/opinion/general/6_3_5281531.html



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Hypocrisy is the exact word for the present state of impotent Media. Barkha Dutt was paid by Gulf counteries to cover Gujarat Riots and to present the case in a way to present Gujarat as Anti-Muslim state and N.Modi as villain instead of an unbiased stance which is the spirit of fourth pillar of constitution.

On religion, Christianity, Islam and Juadism are the religion of weak and cowards.Thaty the most of conversaion are not on the basis of Spirituality rather on sword and money.I guess Mohamad and Jesus were the first and last Muslim and Christian who attained or approached enlightment.Missionaries business is worldwide running for centuaries.In Haryana, in Distt Jhajjar, few missionaries came in disguise of helping people.As expected, they were thrown out in a week. Punjab which is in sheer grip of drugs, missionaries are luxarily converting lower castes and now upper castes sikhs to Christianity.

There is one Joshua project operating worldwide which is to convert ethnic people.To your surprise, they have detailed studies of Jat culture and spiritual practices and hence the strategy to brainwash gradually.

I've least respect for such cowards wherever you notice them in vicinities, grab them from neck and kick them out.Because they don't understand the language of spirituality.Increase numbers is their sole motive.
 
I agree with you Hooda bhai after seeing this video.

Just came across this video on youtube .... sharing with you ... it seems to be genuine ... this shows the real picture of missionaries ....

Initially it shows the message that this video has been removed but carry on and you will see the video. Please ignore the rest links on the page ... if mods found it vulgar it can be removed but I found it worth sharing ...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=71O8LzOWaWo
 
Hypocrisy is the exact word for the present state of impotent Media. Barkha Dutt was paid by Gulf counteries to cover Gujarat Riots and to present the case in a way to present Gujarat as Anti-Muslim state and N.Modi as villain instead of an unbiased stance which is the spirit of fourth pillar of constitution.

Samar, do you have any evidence behind this claim? This is the latest I have heard in all sorts of conspiracy theories on media and Gujarat riots. And why was only Barkha Dutt paid? What about the other prominent media organizations, which broadly reported similarly. Accusing media of a pseudo-secular bent of mind is still understandable, but we should avoid coming up with conspiracy theories with no basis.
 
Samar, do you have any evidence behind this claim? This is the latest I have heard in all sorts of conspiracy theories on media and Gujarat riots. And why was only Barkha Dutt paid? What about the other prominent media organizations, which broadly reported similarly. Accusing media of a pseudo-secular bent of mind is still understandable, but we should avoid coming up with conspiracy theories with no basis.

Kapil, post no 71 in this particular thread.If you want to dig deep, there are much evidences for sure.

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?p=190643&highlight=Media#post190643

Media runs on a theory of Manipulation by mondey landers but gradually and smartly.We tend to resist it because we are being convinced in such an unbelievable fashion.The poster girl of Indian 'english speaking media' is really not that innocent and so do many like her.The Gujaratis of Godhra had stopped Barkha Dutt and her cameraman, when they were instigating and spoon-feeding Muslim women voters to speak against Narendra Modi. Even Aaj Tak and Zee News teams had to run for the cover during the election coverage when they tried to send live reports, which were far away from ground realities.

PS:I have no intention to drag the subject matter of this thread towards media.My 2 paise end with this.
 
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Kapil, post no 71 in this particular thread.If you want to dig deep, there are much evidences for sure.

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?p=190643&highlight=Media#post190643

Media runs on a theory of Manipulation by mondey landers but gradually and smartly.We tend to resist it because we are being convinced in such an unbelievable fashion.The poster girl of Indian 'english speaking media' is really not that innocent and so do many like her.The Gujaratis of Godhra had stopped Barkha Dutt and her cameraman, when they were instigating and spoon-feeding Muslim women voters to speak against Narendra Modi. Even Aaj Tak and Zee News teams had to run for the cover during the election coverage when they tried to send live reports, which were far away from ground realities.

Samar,

You shouldn't list that post as evidence! It is actually really bad even by the standards of conspiracy theories. Someone had posted sections of this trash earlier as well and I did a good research on it then. Please see post number 7 on this thread:
http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26559

I had clarified the points raised about NDTV and India Today there with actual evidence (read as something you can go and independently verify). There is an attachment with the actual ownership structure of NDTV. I won't like to spend more time on disputing the other points from an article that is so obviously dodgy. If you still believe it, the onus of getting the evidence on the other points lies on you :). But I can tell you from what I know that Bennett and Coleman India (Times Group) was bought over by a Jain family once Britishers left and I believe the control is still with them. And Star TV is partially owned by an Australian called Rupert Murdoch who owns media interests across the globe including some giants like Sky, Fox, The Times, New York Post, Wall Street Journal, etc.

By the way, I am not suggesting that either the media organizations in general or Barkha Dutt in particular are holier than thou. They have many faults and the same should be exposed/debated. But it should be based on facts and not fiction.
 
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I guess Mohamad and Jesus were the first and last Muslim and Christian who attained or approached enlightment.


I've least respect for such cowards wherever you notice them in vicinities, grab them from neck and kick them out.Because they don't understand the language of spirituality.Increase numbers is their sole motive.

Engage the protagonists - missionaries and Islamists, in a reasonable debte (individually) and they CONFESS that an Almighty God does not need the help of Prophets to guide humanity.


Jesus was usurped by the Roman empire ,Constantinople, when his kingdom started crumbling from within. Church came about and becam a vehicle of colonialism.

About the other read Anwar Sheikh's Islam : The Arab National Movement.




The lasting solution to missionary menace is notto catch them by the neck and throw out. Street dogs return at every opportune moment. Only thing to be done should be to get them back to humanity from churchianity.
 
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