Do we Jat really need Reservation ?

Do we Jat really need Reservation?

  • Strongly Agree

    Votes: 75 43.1%

  • Agree

    Votes: 16 9.2%

  • Slightly Agree

    Votes: 9 5.2%

  • Slightly Disagree

    Votes: 4 2.3%

  • Disagree

    Votes: 20 11.5%

  • Strongly Disagree

    Votes: 50 28.7%
  • Total voters
    174
aap sabko yah jankar khusi hogi ki hamare haryana ke ghiraye halka ke vidhayak Ch.ChhatarPal singh ne aarakshan ka suppoort kiya hain, jiske liye kaal gaon DHANANA , distt BHIWANI me akhil bhartiye jat mahasabha ne Ch. Chhatarpal ji ko sammanitt kiya..
 
Salutations to Choudhary Chattarpal Singh.He came out for his people when they needed him.

This man could have played the same game as other Jat political leaders are playing

One must remember that Jats as well as history will respect only that leader who stood with his people when they needed him most .

When Ahirs or Gujjars of Gurgaon are awaling resevation why Jat of Narwana who are more backward economically should be denied this opportunity.Choutala saheb,Ch Surjewala,Sh Jaiparkash and Sh BirenderSingh has to answer this when they will face them in coming election which is not far away.

It is a very well justified demand and Jats must be given a chance to have a level playing field v/s others.


Jat political leaders must come out for Jats openly as all Gujjar leaders came out for Gujjars in Rajasthan otherwise Bajan lal though a Jat himself is not even considered a Jat what to say of him as a Jat leader
 
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narenderkharb said:
Salutations to Choudhary Chattarpal Singh.He came out for his people when they needed him.

This man could have played the same game as other Jat political leaders are playing

One must remember that Jats as well as history will respect only that leader who stood with his people when they needed him most .

When Ahirs or Gujjars of Gurgaon are awaling resevation why Jat of Narwana who are more backward economically should be denied this opportunity.Choutala saheb,Ch Surjewala,Sh Jaiparkash and Sh BirenderSingh has to answer this when they will face them in coming election which is not far away.

It is a very well justified demand and Jats must be given a chance to have a level playing field v/s others.


Jat political leaders must come out for Jats openly as all Gujjar leaders came out for Gujjars in Rajasthan otherwise Bajan lal though a Jat himself is not even considered a Jat what to say of him as a Jat leader
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He is not JAT.
 
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जाटु खाप-84 की महापंचायत में शखनाद





Sep 21, 10:55 pm
भिवानी, जागरण संवाद केन्द्र : जिले के गाव धनाना में जाटु खाप-84 की महापंचायत में आरक्षण बारे शखनाद किया गया। इस अवसर पर विभिन्न खापों से आए जाट समुदाय के लोगों ने कहा कि आरक्षण उनका कानूनी अधिकार है और वे इसको हर हाल में लेकर रहेगे। विधानसभा में घिराय हलके के विधायक प्रो. छत्रपाल सिंह द्वारा जाटों के लिए आरक्षण की माग उठाए जाने पर उन्हे इस पंचायत में जाट केसरी की उपाधि से सम्मानित किया गया। महापंचायत में अनुसूचित जाति, धानक, जोगी, मुसलमान समाज के लोगों ने भी जाट समुदाय के आरक्षण का समर्थन किया और कहा कि वे भविष्य में जाट समुदाय को समर्थन देंगे। प्रो. छत्रपाल सिंह ने इस अवसर पर कहा कि यदि उनकी पार्टी ने जाट समुदाय के लिए आरक्षण की माग उठाने से रोकने का प्रयास किया तो वे पार्टी को भी तिलाजलि दे सकते है। उन्होंने कहा कि पार्टी व विधानसभा बाद में है, उनके लिए समाज पहले है। जाटु खाप धनाना के प्रधान सूबेदार राजमल ने पंचायत की अध्यक्षता करते हुए कहा कि जाट समुदाय के लोगों ने स्वतंत्रता संग्राम से लेकर देश की शान के लिए अब तक हुए सभी युद्धों में बढ़-चढ़ कर हिस्सा लिया है। अखिल भारतीय जाट महासभा के राष्ट्रीय महासचिव युद्धवीर सिंह ने कहा कि वर्ष 1947 में आजादी के बाद जाट समुदाय के साथ राजनीतिक लोगों ने षड़यंत्र रचा, जिसके कारण अभी तक यह समुदाय आर्थिक व सामाजिक तौर पर उभर नहीं पाया। महासभा के प्रदेश अध्यक्ष धर्मपाल छोत, प्रवक्ता पूर्व कमाडेट हवासिंह सागवान ने जाट समुदाय को आरक्षण के मामले में एकजुट होने का आह्वान किया। महासभा के उपाध्यक्ष नत्थुराम, राष्ट्रीय सचिव यशपाल मलिक, लाडवा खाप के प्रधान दीवान सिंह पूनिया, धनखड़ खाप के प्रधान डा. ओमप्रकाश धनखड़, सातरोल खाप के प्रधान इद्रसिंह, देपलतपा के प्रधान एडवोकेट अजीत सिंह, 84 खाप लोहारू के प्रधान सोहनलाल, मोखरा, रिसालदास, किसान नेता ओमप्रकाश मान, कपूर सिंह घनघस, होशियार सिंह, अम्बेदकर सभा भिवानी के प्रधान एडवोकेट ब्रह्मानंद, धानक समाज के नेता सुरेद्र धानक, मुसलमान संप्रदाय के नेता कमरुद्दीन, रिटायर्ड ज्वाइट डायरेक्टर अजीत सागवान, अखिल भारतीय जाट महासभा के दिल्ली के प्रधान रणसिंह शौकिन, सुखदर्शन खर्ब, कटार सिंह सागवान, रिटायर्ड ए.सी.पी. उमराव सागवान समेत अनेक खापों के जाट समुदाय के प्रधान व अन्य लोग मौजूद थे।
 
Yadav Reservation benefit PMT 2009

jitendershooda said:
College
BD Sharma
Number of MBBS Seats 150(15% Reserved for CBSE)
Remained 128
ForGen 64
For Yadavs 64 + 14 = 78

College
Agroha
Number of MBBS Seats 50
Remained 50
ForGen 25
For Yadavs 25 + 5 = 30

DENTAL
College
Rohtak
Number of Dental Seats 60(15% Reserved for CBSE)
Remained 51
ForGen 25
For Yadavs 25 + 5 = 30

DENTAL
College
Privates
Number of Dental Seats 700(60% thru this test)
Remained 420
ForGen 210
For Yadavs 210 + 46 = 256

Total Candidates Yadavs %Age
7595 449 6%

Out of first 70 BCBs - 35 are Yadavs - Means 50%

MBBS Rohtak Benefit 5 Sure + 3 Might be
MBBS Agroha Benefit 2 Sure + 1 Might be
Dental Rohtak 2 Sure + 2 might be
Private Dental 11 Sure + 11 Might be

For details see the attachment ...
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College
BD Sharma
Number of MBBS Seats 150(15% Reserved for CBSE)
Remained 128
ForGen 64
For Yadavs 64 + 14 = 78

DENTAL
College
Rohtak
Number of Dental Seats 60(15% Reserved for CBSE)
Remained 51
ForGen 25
For Yadavs 25 + 5 = 30

Total Candidates Yadavs %Age
5672 350 6.1%

Increase of 0.2% than previous year.
But the success rate among BC's increased by 8.57% this year. This shows that due to reservation this caste is not drowning instead their candidates are trying hard seeing more scope in terms of seats.

Out of first 70 BCBs - 41 are Yadavs - Means 58.57%

17 out of 22 BC-B benefits are gained by Yadavs
56 out of 100 are Yadav's (may be 10 more who don’t have Yadav in their surnames)
5 who might have BDS gets MBBS (1 Yadav)
10 who might not get anything gets MBBS (9 Yadav's)
6 Who might not get anything gets BDS (All Yadav's)
 
Jitender,

A simple question:-

-> Would you ( or any of your loved one) go for a treatment from a reserved class physician?

I wouldn't.
 
Samarkadian said:
Jitender,

A simple question:-

-> Would you ( or any of your loved one) go for a treatment from a reserved class physician?

I wouldn't.
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Dear Samar,

I (here you can read I as many innocent people from rural background reaching PGI in numbers daily among them are jats too) may go for it as I dont know who is going to treat me in medical Rohtak?
My dada Ji was also treated by one Yadav doctor in cardiology dept. Rohtak PGI. How can we (villagers or common man) deny that?
 
jitendershooda said:
Dear Samar,

I (here you can read I as many innocent people from rural background reaching PGI in numbers daily among them are jats too) may go for it as I dont know who is going to treat me in medical Rohtak?
My dada Ji was also treated by one Yadav doctor in cardiology dept. Rohtak PGI. How can we (villagers or common man) deny that?
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Jitender,

I guess you got my point but partly. I have asked that assuming you have a choice in case. I'm sure you would give credit to a meritorious doctor than below average one. May be we ( common man) don't have a choice at PGI to get treated by whom, but surely Youngman, instead of pressing on the point of reservation for jats, can you intrigue about increasing seats for general quota? It would give more chances to the brilliant Jat kids as well as others.

Is it less benefitial than asking for reservation?
 
Samarkadian said:
Youngman, instead of pressing on the point of reservation for jats, can you intrigue about increasing seats for general quota? It would give more chances to the brilliant Jat kids as well as others.

Is it less benefitial than asking for reservation?
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Samar Bhai,

1) Will we deny to study in govt. schools as there are teachers from reserved categories?
2) Will we deny to doctors from reserved categories in PGI rohtak as they will be the doctors ultimatly getting reservation again at PG level and then in jobs at the same PGI?
3) Will we deny to process our works in govt depts as there are reserved category officers?
4) Will we deny to take help from police as the officers there are too from reserved categories?
5) Will we deny to travel in a bus with reserved category driver?

I appreciate yours positive attitude. But what does the increasing seats for general quota means? How will you acheive this, please put your thoughts as what for common general category man should fight for thinking practically?
 
jitendershooda said:
Samar Bhai,

1) Will we deny to study in govt. schools as there are teachers from reserved categories?
2) Will we deny to doctors from reserved categories in PGI rohtak as they will be the doctors ultimatly getting reservation again at PG level and then in jobs at the same PGI?
3) Will we deny to process our works in govt depts as there are reserved category officers?
4) Will we deny to take help from police as the officers there are too from reserved categories?
5) Will we deny to travel in a bus with reserved category driver?

I appreciate yours positive attitude. But what does the increasing seats for general quota means? How will you acheive this, please put your thoughts as what for common general category man should fight for thinking practically?
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Jitender, still you are taking it on a different track. A doctor saves a life.So lets be specific here about reservation in medical studies at graduate and post graduate level. My point is on quality and yours on quantity.You are emphasing on increasing quantity based on reservation and I'm up for increasing infrastructure for General seats without compromising with quality.

It shall be fought the same way as the Jat reservation but if it is for greater common good then other communities are going to join and support it.
 
Samarkadian said:
Jitender, still you are taking it on a different track. A doctor saves a life.So lets be specific here about reservation in medical studies at graduate and post graduate level. My point is on quality and yours on quantity.You are emphasing on increasing quantity based on reservation and I'm up for increasing infrastructure for General seats without compromising with quality.

It shall be fought the same way as the Jat reservation but if it is for greater common good then other communities are going to join and support it.
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भाई समर ... जीतू भाई यहाँ पर रिज़र्वेशन के फायदे की बात कर रहे हैं.... जाट कौम को....जो तेज दिमाग के छात्र हैं .... वोह जाट हो या चाहे यादव ..... उसे कोई नहीं रोक सकता .,....

लेकिन बात आती है उन् बच्चों की जो मध्यम श्रेणी में हैं...... और फिर उस श्रेणी में यादव का बेटा तो एम् बी बी एस बन जा स .......एर जाट का छोरा बी एससि करता हांडे स ....... अगर यह बात आप को "QUANTITY" की लगे तो बेशक लगे.... लेकिन सोचो .... इन 22 बच्चों में se 17 जाट होते तो 17 जाट परिवार उपर उठ रहे थे........जो की आज नहीं हो रहा .......
 
More than a year passed but still no conclusion. Could someone please summarize it? else we lose the importance of the forum coz almost in 99% threads we talk only .. never conclude ...
Aajkal toh Indian courts bhi thoda bahut sudhar gayi hai ... so its not impossible for us also :D

Anil, u can take this responsibility man. I believe u r good at concluding such discussions.:)
 
jitendershooda said:
College
BD Sharma
Number of MBBS Seats 150(15% Reserved for CBSE)
Remained 128
ForGen 64
For Yadavs 64 + 14 = 78

DENTAL
College
Rohtak
Number of Dental Seats 60(15% Reserved for CBSE)
Remained 51
ForGen 25
For Yadavs 25 + 5 = 30

Total Candidates Yadavs %Age
5672 350 6.1%

Increase of 0.2% than previous year.
But the success rate among BC's increased by 8.57% this year. This shows that due to reservation this caste is not drowning instead their candidates are trying hard seeing more scope in terms of seats.

Out of first 70 BCBs - 41 are Yadavs - Means 58.57%

17 out of 22 BC-B benefits are gained by Yadavs
56 out of 100 are Yadav's (may be 10 more who don’t have Yadav in their surnames)
5 who might have BDS gets MBBS (1 Yadav)
10 who might not get anything gets MBBS (9 Yadav's)
6 Who might not get anything gets BDS (All Yadav's)
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hooda sahib, this attitude of jats being ruled by others, has to be changed. Jats were around delhi, for last 5000 years at least. but no one provoked them they themselves invited all rulers of delhi. jats were always punished by jats only. jat ko mare jat ya mare kartar...plz carry out this spirit...hum honge kamyab ek din...man me hai vishwas...poora hai vishwas...ek din...


no sindh of dahir, no delhi...will be repeated again...no gurgaon, no faridabad...no sonepat...no rohtak will be repeated again...
 
I believe people on Jatland don't need reservation (approx 6000) but honestly the people in villages need that and need that sooner or latter. They are called landlords with 1/2 acre of land and govt is waiting for them to come as landlords with no land. Then may be they can think

Reservation is kind of poison in our society but since we can't do anything so we need to make ourselves more immune to that "Be part of it"

Please don't expect that people in power will rise against this venom so we need to rise and demand our share of this temporary GOLD. They don't want Jat's to be united the only reason to reservation of some not others creating layers, like mean people did in past (Creamy layer of Jats known as Rajputs)
 
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