EDUCATION AND INDEPENDENCY -- NECCESSARY FOR "AAJ KI JAT GIRL"

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EDUCATION AND AATM NIRBHARTA -- NECCESSARY FOR "AAJ KI JAT GIRL"

Hi Indu,

as u said->"I m not saying all fault is cuj of guys only but
"Pahl wahi kartay hai"

Ya i know faults r in guys....agar guys hi sudar jayege to duniya hi sudar jayegi....ya i know some guys are like dogs infact worse than dogs.but these dogs cann't change coz they use to define themself worse than dogs......

ya Dogs r roaming around but it doesn't mean to follow dogs,girls follow them becoz they feel free n independent from any back force,coz if perents think, our kids r independed n they can handle everything herself so they won't be watching her steps n environment brings changes in people..
otherwise parents think dependent then obviously they will take care like anything she she won't be able to divert from her path in any environment.

YA IF SHE TRUSTS IN FAITH OF PARENTS IN ANY ENVIRONMENT THEN FINE,BUT ALL GIRLS ARE NOT SAME,Thats why it depends on individual's.

But Topic bout majority no.!

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N you think==>
1.)If a girl husband met with accident unluckily and died, c having kids too.Suppose she is uneducated ..? How she will earn? she shld posses the capability to earn to?

ans.-> Ye Lo nowadays independent girls jo before marry think bout accident of husband n died....would u tell probability of died ?? its very very less, so died husband is not point...u know pahale wali traditional girls ,they used to think ki i m nothing without husband,he is my life,without him i cann't survive,everything for me...we call it LOVE....but presently independent girls think bout sol. after death of her husband....then where is love.....??

2) Suppose a girl is left by his husband after marriage watever the reason.. incase girl parent dont want to support? how she wil survive?

ans-> ye lo hadh ho gayi if girls will think bout divore before marry,n according to become independent...then i think highly chance of divore...coz every big sound starts from small sound ..we call it something like ego problems of people...so already girls r hving feeling to survive independently after divore then they won't be hasitating to show bit ego problems..
n divore word doesn't exist in thoughts of dependent traditional girls,they always think bout Love.
as after divore both hv to cry n their life become hell just due to small ego problem due to hving feelings of survive after divore so thats problem of independent girls.


3.)MISUSING TRUST N FAITH OF PARENT IS NOT INDEPENDENCY.
ans->No ,Misusing Trust N Faith of parents is Function of Independency...

2)roaming with guys, going pubs, watching movies etc............... is not independency
that is foolishness. "
ans-> This foolishness is highly function of Independency...

so-->go through 2nd paragon again..think like person of thoughts.....coz you cann't assume everything according to u'r thinking,think bout majority...

cheer

ram















Indu Malik (Feb 23, 2004 09:45 a.m.):
Dear RC,
I am not talking abt the "independency" ie hawa mai hona ...

I am talking abt :

Possesing the capability to earn("aatm nirbharta") in case it is required
N FOR THT EDUCATION is necessary.
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ya i konw that all these responds reflect my thoughts....but what about u indu....tum khud hi tumhare point se door ja rahi ho....u posted that is education is necessary for girl say aaj ki jat girl...konsi jat girl ki baat ker rahi ho tum...apani ya fir whole community ki....all those replies which i hv posted r a reallity which came as a result after (again) yor mindset made "hype" independecy......u r talking about the necessasity of girls ,which is required not only in jat samaj but also for whole whole of the community.....
tumhara ye reply ki what whould be if husband is not capable to earn...definitely if wife is educated than she can manage the matter properly.....:::::: to ye batao ki jab dalakiya padi likhi nahi thi tab hasband ke bina kabhi kisi ke pariwar nahi chale kya?....pahale ladakiya educated thi ?....uname tha "wo wishwas ....commonsense ....wo pyaar ...wo jimmewari pariwar ke liye" jao aaj kal dekhane ko nahi milati...tumhari in "educated" ladkiyo me......
"atam nirbharta"....isake liye education ka hona itana jaroori he kya?....tum bata do kitani girl "atam nirbhar" banati he education ke baad?....bade bade examples to de diye lekin wo jin families se belong kerti he ,waha yadi wo educated bhi nahi hoti to kam se kam "atam nirbhar" to hoti hi....u don worry about this word......
the girl who is going to some movie,pub etc..r the effects of education . n their thinking to be "independent" u know the fact very well....bcoz u r a girl...it is not required to explain .

buys to hamesha se hi...ya ye kaho ki gents to hamesha se hi doing the same thing for girls....to kya edcucated girl khud ko rok nahi sakati ?....unaki education pe itana hi effetct padata he to why they r doing all that....jo ek padi-likhi (padi-likhi kya sab ldakiyo ko) ko sobha nahi deta.....guys kuchh bhi chahenge to tum log kuchh bhi karogi kya...fir kya purpose solve hue girls ki education ke baad....sense of humour...khatam hi ho gaya unaka......ye wo isliye kerti he kyon ki unaki bhi dil kerta he ye sab kerne ka.....unako khushi milti he in sab se....generally kam padi likhi ladakiya to ye sab nahi kerti...uname wo sharam haya baki hoti he madam..ho aaj kal ladakiya independency ke naam pe bhool jati he( wo EDUCATED he .....hahaha....koi unaka kya bigad sakata he)

SO THIS TYPE OF SITUATION WAS NOT THERE 60 YRS BACK ,its the worst effect of girls education on society.

chalo maan lete he ki "pahal to wo(guys) hi kerte he"...to kya girls ki sochane samajhane ki power kya ghas charne chali jati he ?......

the word "frustration" word came in my dictionary from hving picture of yor mind indu....."frustration ke baahar bhi koi duniya he" ...wahi to me tumko samajha raha hoon it is yors charactristics not mine...tum unnecessary comment ker rahi ho.....u want to r criticise ,to irritate guys without accepting our replies....simply want to make a new mahabharat here..ignoring the reallity....want to show yorself oversmart...a nice "complete girl"...this capability to pull leg of guys came after yor modern education ..fir wahi "hawa me"...i mean you implications,to show yor thoughts better than us...thik he ....maan lete he tum sabase sahi ho......basically all of the members favour you including me ,we support the necessity of girl education there independency to help herself anolgwith her family....good going....but what i expect from those educated/independent girls that she should not forget her maryaada....that u girls should always keep in mind....u n u olny would be the only reason of yor ruin.

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Saying bITTER TRUTH is not wrong.
wrong is to hide them and wrappeing the things with butter.
Wrong is to live with these burning issue and to support them instead of killing them from root.

INDU.

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jab tum ye bol sakati ho to...maan bhi lena chahiye follow bhi karana chahiye madam


bahoot ho gaya ab hame ye discussion yahi band ker dena chahiye...i also hv to study,having exams now a days.......


Its...
Hemant...


Indu Malik (Feb 23, 2004 09:59 a.m.):
My humble request is to read each words of mine post carefully and tht wil give ans to yur all query.

I feel as if there is only one keyword in yur dictionary ie "Frustration"
As i dont have time to write Thesis and mahabharta on it.
Might i wld hav been possesing , i would have written loza for yu..!!!

"fRUSTRATION" SAY BAHAR BHI KOI DUNIYA HAI
kOM OUT OF YUR DICTIONARY AND TRY TO NJOY THT.

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Yur thoughts are the reflection of Yur attitude........
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Cheers
Indu.

Hemant kr choudhary (Feb 22, 2004 10:55 a.m.):
indu...
we r not diversing from the path...u r creticising the issue, making a hype only...can u explain me what do u mean by this so called "Independency/financial independency of girls ".......
all those views here people r giving ..are the results of that "independency" girl ....that does not present any logic to live the life peacefully.....look if girl can go alone with there so called education then it ok...she should go for education only...n forget our Hindustani culture.......n in regard of reservation of girls ...its really partiality with boys...that came only for collecting votes from women.

for the reason to choose a girl i.e. B.E. /B.Tech....is a hope that she may have some smart sense of humour..but all in vain........we boys want to be with a girl...that is gud looking ..definitely ..she should use some decent dress....but why do u go for jeans...skirts...etc...u think that if u would not use them u may remain backward in this race of "mordenization"...n guys will not like u...its yor frustration....
if the education were the only reason to have a better independency for girl..than why the family life is not cool in western countries......
as per yor statement they r the happiest families in the world....( bcoz most of the girl r fully educated there....hahaha...)....
ya its true that education is necessary for girls...but it should be utilized in proper manner...she should be practical madam....otherwise the results r dramatically worse.
tali ek hath se nahi bajati....sahi he.....lekin dusara haath lane ki pahal in advanced educated girls ki hi hoti he....
depends upon u ...girl chahe padi likhi ho ya nahi....lekin wo hawa me nahi rahani chahiye....ye soch ke ki ham educated he...ham kuchh bhi ker sakati he....ham "independent" he......
indu ji aapko independency ki "situation" ka andaaja he kya?...ya keval ...ap ek educated girl ke views ko hi represent ker rahi he....

you r taking these positive aspects as negative unnecessary....
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Dear Sanjeev,

I am sorry if my words sound differently.
Only thing that i wanted to convey was that Induji's words have got the Power & ability to convince.
Her Words came from the Knowledge & experience that Induji has got, not from an Emotional self.
With leader, i meant that people like her can surely help others on their path with her Guidance.

Sorry Indujii once again.

regards

Sanjeev Malik (Feb 23, 2004 09:17 a.m.):
Piyush
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Hemant kr choudhary (Feb 23, 2004 11:28 a.m.):
ya i konw that all these responds reflect my thoughts....but what about u indu....tum khud hi tumhare point se door ja rahi ho....u posted that is education is necessary for girl say aaj ki jat girl...konsi jat girl ki baat ker rahi ho tum...apani ya fir whole community ki....all those replies which i hv posted r a reallity which came as a result after (again) yor mindset made "hype" independecy......u r talking about the necessasity of girls ,which is required not only in jat samaj but also for whole whole of the community.....


tumhara ye reply ki what whould be if husband is not capable to earn...definitely if wife is educated than she can manage the matter properly.....:::::: to ye batao ki jab dalakiya padi likhi nahi thi tab hasband ke bina kabhi kisi ke pariwar nahi chale kya?
Answer: Jab railgadi nahin thi tho kya log safar nahin karte the kya?


....pahale ladakiya educated thi ?....uname tha "wo wishwas ....commonsense ....wo pyaar ...wo jimmewari pariwar ke liye" jao aaj kal dekhane ko nahi milati...tumhari in "educated" ladkiyo me......
Answer: Time is changing so other things will also change. Before most men used to wear the hat of breadwinner, father, brother, etc. This is/was existent as the society had made some rules. Now the world has become more competitive and demanding. Hence men will have to wear more hats to have a better life. Example of other hats:
Changing diapers, helping the wife in the kitchen , do other chores at home, etc.

"atam nirbharta"....isake liye education ka hona itana jaroori he kya?
Answer: YES. Education Atam Nirbharta aur “Atam Vishwas” ke liya jaroori hai.

....tum bata do kitani girl "atam nirbhar" banati he education ke baad?
Answer: Most of the women perspective will change with education.

....bade bade examples to de diye lekin wo jin families se belong kerti he, waha yadi wo educated bhi nahi hoti to kam se kam "atam nirbhar" to hoti hi....u don worry about this word......
Answer: I guess only you need to worry about this word “Atam Nirbhar”. Can you give me a reason why?

the girl who is going to some movie,pub etc..r the effects of education . n their thinking to be "independent" u know the fact very well....bcoz u r a girl...it is not required to explain .
Answer: The society has made movies, pub, etc. So the girl has as much right to be there as much as boys. I don’t say that going there is good or bad. This relates to the personality of an individual(boy/girl).

buys to hamesha se hi...ya ye kaho ki gents to hamesha se hi doing the same thing for girls....to kya edcucated girl khud ko rok nahi sakati ?
Answer: Once the girl is mature enough, she can make a choice of what she wants. May be what she wants is not good for her but then it’s the responsibility of the society/parents/friend/family as a whole to provide that info, educate her, safety to her and good environment so that the girl feels secure and not to limit her activities.

....unaki education pe itana hi effetct padata he to why they r doing all that....jo ek padi-likhi (padi-likhi kya sab ldakiyo ko) ko sobha nahi deta.....
Answer: I guess you are making the rules for a girl. Let the girl decide ki uso kya shoba deta hai aur kya nahin?

guys kuchh bhi chahenge to tum log kuchh bhi karogi kya...
Answer: Who are you asking this question to?

fir kya purpose solve hue girls ki education ke baad....
Answer: I guess you are trying to generalize the effect of education on every girl. I guess all the boys who get educated are not always the best people in the world.
sense of humour...khatam hi ho gaya unaka......ye wo isliye kerti he kyon ki unaki bhi dil kerta he ye sab kerne ka.....
[/b]Answer: May be partly for humor and partly for their desire.

unako khushi milti he in sab se....
Answer: I am sure some of them might get some happiness out of it.

generally kam padi likhi ladakiya to ye sab nahi kerti...
Answer: Do you have a guide/manual/rule book of what does the padi likhi ladi do and what not?

uname wo sharam haya baki hoti he madam..ho aaj kal ladakiya independency ke naam pe bhool jati he( wo EDUCATED he .....hahaha....koi unaka kya bigad sakata he)
SO THIS TYPE OF SITUATION WAS NOT THERE 60 YRS BACK ,its the worst effect of girls education on society.
Answer: Education is a tool for brain to work and develop and open the thought process of an individual. Any tool can be used/misused by anybody(boy/girl).

chalo maan lete he ki "pahal to wo(guys) hi kerte he"...to kya girls ki sochane samajhane ki power kya ghas charne chali jati he ?......
Answer: Focus on how you can change a situation and not how other individual can change the situation for your benefit.

the word "frustration" word came in my dictionary from hving picture of yor mind indu.....
Answer: Does that mean, that Indu can control your brain and emotions and feelings. If so, then looks like Indu is in control of you and you have no control over yourself?

"frustration ke baahar bhi koi duniya he" ...wahi to me tumko samajha raha hoon it is yors charactristics not mine...
Answer: Please stop rationalizing your behavior and start blaming (shifting responsibility) other for it.

tum unnecessary comment ker rahi ho.....
Anser: I guess you are commenting here…

u want to r criticise ,to irritate guys without accepting our replies....
Answer: Be bold and have control on yourself. Let nobody irritate you.

simply want to make a new mahabharat here..ignoring the reallity....
Answer: Guys… Have the courage to say your view points with determination and clarity. You have the right to agree or disagree. This is a platform to share the thoughts/views/perception of other individuals and not to belittle others.

want to show yorself oversmart...a nice "complete girl"...
Answer: I am not sure if Indu is smart/complete girl or not, but how do you rate yourself?

this capability to pull leg of guys came after yor modern education ..fir wahi "hawa me"...i mean you implications,to show yor thoughts better than us...
Answer: Who is “us” here?

thik he ....maan lete he tum sabase sahi ho......basically all of the members favour you including me ,we support the necessity of girl education there independency to help herself anolgwith her family....
Answer: Very good. But I don’t your view point yet. DO you really agree or somewhat agree or fully disagree?

good going....but what i expect from those educated/independent girls that she should not forget her maryaada....
Answer: Please define “maryada” for boys and girls, for a better understanding.

that u girls should always keep in mind....u n u olny would be the only reason of yor ruin.
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Saying bITTER TRUTH is not wrong.
wrong is to hide them and wrappeing the things with butter.
Wrong is to live with these burning issue and to support them instead of killing them from root.
INDU.
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jab tum ye bol sakati ho to...maan bhi lena chahiye follow bhi karana chahiye madam

bahoot ho gaya ab hame ye discussion yahi band ker dena chahiye...i also hv to study, having exams now a days.......
Answer: I have not been able to get what is that you are trying to say in your reply or what point are you trying to drive. If you have to study then just go and study and don’t waste your time and energy on this topic of discussion.

Thanks.
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Sanjeev tum thik tarah se kah hi nahi paa rahe ho...tumhara reply tum 4 bar to update ker chuke ho...first writing my lines then providing answers, catching my words...what do u want to show?....i think now u r considering this discussion as a conflict on your personal basis...in which u want to win....hahaha......

jab tum ye samajh hi nahi pa rahe ho ki me kya kahana chahata hoon to koi arguments dene ka to sawal hi paida nahi hota......i suggested you to stop this discussion bcoz, now it seems to be an unhealthy discussion...bcoz whenever a person participating in a discussion is not getting his/her opponet's views and considers the topic on his/her personal basis,biassing, it changes to "dhisoooom-dhisoooom".......hahaha.....i mean u don want to put your own thoughts, instead of, intentionally and specifically by tracking another persons u want to check others.....that indicates how much you r getting disturbed from my replies........

mene tumhari rato ki neend din ka chain chheen liya he....hahaha....anyway!!! i ll reply you after my exams





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Indu Ji:

You have done a great service in explaining your views succinctly and to the point.

Indeed, Education is to achieve self-grooming, development, confidence; Education is to progress in life; Education is betterment of life; Education is to know more and then to use it for a better world; ....

Rajendra (post 8, gives a good analogy:
Mind without education is nothing but a piece of anatomical hardware. Education is the software and makes this hardware useful. Education is an ongoing process.

You are right in pointing out that Education does not equate to collecting paper degrees. Of course, so many people receive those papers and many of them never get educated.

On a gender basis, YES, education for girls is as important (if not more) as it could be for anybody. Your reasoning in post 38 is very practical to say the least.

So far as other discussions/digressions of the main topic are concerned, let me cite the following episode. A university in US used to write the following message on the cover of its calendar: "The aim of the University is to educate people and make better citizens." After staying there for four years, a guy sued the University. His argument was,
"Your Honor, I have spent four years here and the University has failed to make me a better citizen. I am just as stupid as I was four years ago."
 
Hemant,

Point 1: 4 edits or 40 edits on my reply shouldn’t be your cause of concern. It’s the matter/content of the reply that should move your thoughts/replies.

Point 2: The reason I thought it was best to reply you in paragraphs because I had my views/comments/disagreement based on your statements. But that should also not be bothering you, as the reply is what you should be paying emphasis on. I had no reason to dissect your reply but that was my attempt to give justice to my answers/opinion.

Point 3: Just because things were not happening in the past, or the things were happening in a different pattern doesn’t mean that it was the right/best way. Only changes bring progress. Education, empowerment in women is going to happen, sooner or later. May be it will just take longer in our country. This change of dealing with educated women is going to bring more challenges in the daily life of men. The change is going to take away some power and control from the men that men has been having/using for centuries.

Point 4: If my replies are in any way considered as fight, than it’s a fight of two different thoughts, fight on intellectual level. This fight can only bring enlightenment or better understanding of the thoughts of two personalities. I am sure if taken with a positive approach, the resultant of this conversation can only be fruitful.

Point 5: Yes. To a certain extent your replies did challenge me. But that’s OK. I like to be challenged.

I wish you good luck for your exams. They are more important at this time. We can continue this discussion, when you have more time to spare.

Thanks.
 
A person should be prepared for every situation wether its best or its worst.

One cant foretell wat may happen in future.
"SAMAY KAH KAR NAHI AAATA"

Every guy/girl hav the right to decide abt themselve.
In no book it is written tht a guy shld write the "savidhan for girl "
& Vice versa too.

Be practical.
****wE r not here to fight like uncivilized ones but to share the thoughts like a human being. ****

Cheers :)
 
Rajendra Kumar Kalkhunde (Feb 16, 2004 06:30 p.m.):
This reminds me the saying of one recent Arya Samaji reformer, may of my age group must have known,..Prithvi Singh Be-dhadak. He used to sing a song on girl's education. Two lines which are so popular till this day;

Jab MA pass Chamari ho, LLB Ghasyaari Ho
Tab desh ka naksha badlega......

And on the lighter side here are the views of Jats from Baoli, the famous Jat village nean Barout. Once someone suggested there that there should be a Girl's Postgraduate College in the Village. One elderly man said that the College should be in Shamli and not in Baoli. His logic being that if College is in Baoli, they will be educating their daughters for Shamli area boys and if College is in Shamli, they will be educating the future wives of their sons.....Jat Mind at best....hahahah

Mind without education is nothing just a piece of anatomical hardware. Education is the software and makes this harware useful. Education is a ongoing process. One will always notice bugs even in what we know.

Regards
Rajendra
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Rajendra Jee
As a i got one full form of JAT like this Justice Action Truth.This , I got from Jat mahasabha Mumbai.As a Jat , It does not look nice to use words like chamari. I m not blaming u because, u gave the reference of one of the ragani.But , We should take care about this kind of words.
Please don't mind it.
Regards
Hamendra
 
hahaha........... Ya ta wa a baat hogi

Andhey to Andha mat kaho
Kaho 'Bhadrasen'
Fir Dherey-Dherey Pucho
'Kaisey Phutey uskey Nain.

Aap log bhey Bas Kham Kha ke baata pa??????????
Hamendra Kumar (Feb 25, 2004 02:20 a.m.):
Rajendra Kumar Kalkhunde (Feb 16, 2004 06:30 p.m.):
This reminds me the saying of one recent Arya Samaji reformer, may of my age group must have known,..Prithvi Singh Be-dhadak. He used to sing a song on girl's education. Two lines which are so popular till this day;

Jab MA pass Chamari ho, LLB Ghasyaari Ho
Tab desh ka naksha badlega......

And on the lighter side here are the views of Jats from Baoli, the famous Jat village nean Barout. Once someone suggested there that there should be a Girl's Postgraduate College in the Village. One elderly man said that the College should be in Shamli and not in Baoli. His logic being that if College is in Baoli, they will be educating their daughters for Shamli area boys and if College is in Shamli, they will be educating the future wives of their sons.....Jat Mind at best....hahahah

Mind without education is nothing just a piece of anatomical hardware. Education is the software and makes this harware useful. Education is a ongoing process. One will always notice bugs even in what we know.

Regards
Rajendra
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Rajendra Jee
As a i got one full form of JAT like this Justice Action Truth.This , I got from Jat mahasabha Mumbai.As a Jat , It does not look nice to use words like chamari. I m not blaming u because, u gave the reference of one of the ragani.But , We should take care about this kind of words.
Please don't mind it.
Regards
Hamendra
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Rajendera je

Prathvi Raj Bedhadhak ki lines "bedhadak" hain...mere hisaab se yeh ragini nahi bhajan hain...pehele hamare gaon main "Arrya Samaj" ka "jhalsa" (I do not know what it is called in modern language)...hota tha...
One joke from Jats
Ek baar 2 jat bhai hote hain...they were real jat like the one from village "Baoli"...bada bhai chhote ko ek baar apni wife ko lene uske ghar bhejata hain...ladki vale dono bhaiyo se perashan the ...woh mana ker dete hain...per chhota bhai ad jata hain...leker hi jaoonga ....ladki vale bolte hain ...ja tu bol diyo woh Vidhwa ho gayi hum nahi bhejete....

Chotta bhai ghar chala jata hain aur apne bhai se bolta hain ki woh to vidhwa ho gayi ...bada bhai bolta hain ...tu pagal hain kay, jab main jinda hoon to woh vidhwa kaise ho sakti hain...chhota bolta hain ...rehen de bhai peechhele saal jab phuphi vidhwa hui the tab bhi tu yahin khada tha ...aur woh vidhwa ho gayi the....
 
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